[Basic] Clash of the ancients - Mafia Wins!

[Tyler Glembo]

I feel stronger about my Len read.  At this point I could prolly get down for a Des lynch too.

 

I can imagine Des really pissing Nol off and that is why he went off in the thread.

[Darthe]

So I just wanna let you guys know something, Dawn, the other person in the Greece QT? Hasnt said a thing in there for a week and I have no idea why. It worries me.

 

She's played a vastly different game here from the one I clearly townread her in.  It's why I am not confident enough to push a lynch on you today, I can't figure that you're both scum and am not ready to certainly come down on one side of that.

 

Actually TG my main things are statistics, Des's play here being more cautious than usual and the fact that he spent an entire day both pushing Nol and distancing from him, eventually following me instead of taking his own stance.  It was really good misdirection but Nol overplayed the night reveal etc.

[dicetosser1]

Tress is conf town.  Dice is almost conf. town. 

 

If they both vote a person and that person isn't speed hammered they are conf. scum.

 

I am certain this will be Des, let's see what they think.  Nobody else has an opinion I care about today.

 

blue

 

Darthe I dont understand this cause i can read it two ways. 

 

Are you saying that if Tress and I both vote someone and they are not speed lynched that Tress and I are mafia? Or that the person not speed lynched definitely is?

[Darthe]

The person not speed lynched is.  

[dicetosser1]

right

 

thank you.

 

 

TG im gonna ask a favor cause i never got it at all. Can you sum up why you feel so strongly about Len? he has been pushed all game and you and dawn are adamant but im just not seeing what the reasoning is.

[dawnflower8]

 

So I just wanna let you guys know something, Dawn, the other person in the Greece QT? Hasnt said a thing in there for a week and I have no idea why. It worries me.

 

She's played a vastly different game here from the one I clearly townread her in.  It's why I am not confident enough to push a lynch on you today, I can't figure that you're both scum and am not ready to certainly come down on one side of that.

 

Actually TG my main things are statistics, Des's play here being more cautious than usual and the fact that he spent an entire day both pushing Nol and distancing from him, eventually following me instead of taking his own stance.  It was really good misdirection but Nol overplayed the night reveal etc.

 

I keep forgetting to post in there....oops.

[Andrej]

There's clearly a mafia roleblocker. My shot last night was blocked.

 

This tells me Dice can't be mafia. Everyone else is on the table.

 

Still don't see how that clears Dice by any means.

 

You were blocked - I don't think that points directly to a RBer, there are other options. Namely a very common townie role that hasn't been claimed.

 

Who did you shoot?

 

Tress is conf town.  Dice is almost conf. town. 

 

If they both vote a person and that person isn't speed hammered they are conf. scum.

 

I am certain this will be Des, let's see what they think.  Nobody else has an opinion I care about today.

 

I disagree. We were at Mylo yesterday and Len had 2 votes at one point iirc and wasn't speed hammered. What does that say about him?

 

Actually TG my main things are statistics, Des's play here being more cautious than usual and the fact that he spent an entire day both pushing Nol and distancing from him, eventually following me instead of taking his own stance.  It was really good misdirection but Nol overplayed the night reveal etc.

 

I would appreciate it if you'd pull these quotes to show how you came to this conclusion.

 

I didn't see Des's interaction with Nol as distancing. He pushed him pretty consistently whenever he was posting from the Day Mynd was lynched through when Nol finally got the rope.

 

I assume this is the same logic you are applying towards me as well? If not, I would appreciate you clarifying that as well.

 

Des had some good points in the fact that you wanted to lynch Mynd over Nol, and then when Nol was finally lynched you still were against it. I also have my reservations about how you handled the situation in our QT.

[Andrej]

 

 

So I just wanna let you guys know something, Dawn, the other person in the Greece QT? Hasnt said a thing in there for a week and I have no idea why. It worries me.

 

She's played a vastly different game here from the one I clearly townread her in.  It's why I am not confident enough to push a lynch on you today, I can't figure that you're both scum and am not ready to certainly come down on one side of that.

 

Actually TG my main things are statistics, Des's play here being more cautious than usual and the fact that he spent an entire day both pushing Nol and distancing from him, eventually following me instead of taking his own stance.  It was really good misdirection but Nol overplayed the night reveal etc.

 

I keep forgetting to post in there....oops.

 

Since you are here now - could you explain your reasons for voting Lenlo?

[Darthe]

 

There's clearly a mafia roleblocker. My shot last night was blocked.

 

This tells me Dice can't be mafia. Everyone else is on the table.

 

Still don't see how that clears Dice by any means.

 

You were blocked - I don't think that points directly to a RBer, there are other options. Namely a very common townie role that hasn't been claimed.

 

Who did you shoot?

 

So you don't want Dice cleared, would prefer if we could WIFOM the Tress shot and want her to reveal her info.  I've a better idea.  If we have one of those particular town roles how about they claim now and then she reveals her shot?  

 

Tress is conf town.  Dice is almost conf. town. 

 

If they both vote a person and that person isn't speed hammered they are conf. scum.

 

I am certain this will be Des, let's see what they think.  Nobody else has an opinion I care about today.

 

I disagree. We were at Mylo yesterday and Len had 2 votes at one point iirc and wasn't speed hammered. What does that say about him?

 

It says he is more likely to be scum, I know that.  I am not going to follow this logic exclusively since other explanations do work readily but it is possible.

 

Actually TG my main things are statistics, Des's play here being more cautious than usual and the fact that he spent an entire day both pushing Nol and distancing from him, eventually following me instead of taking his own stance.  It was really good misdirection but Nol overplayed the night reveal etc.

 

I would appreciate it if you'd pull these quotes to show how you came to this conclusion.

 

I didn't see Des's interaction with Nol as distancing. He pushed him pretty consistently whenever he was posting from the Day Mynd was lynched through when Nol finally got the rope.

 

Of course you don't see it as distancing, you're his most likely teammate.

 

I assume this is the same logic you are applying towards me as well? If not, I would appreciate you clarifying that as well.

 

No such thing as multiple forms of logic.  There just is logic or a lack thereof.

 

Des had some good points in the fact that you wanted to lynch Mynd over Nol, and then when Nol was finally lynched you still were against it. I also have my reservations about how you handled the situation in our QT.

 

I would like to hear them.

 

Responses in bold.  One of them is important for you all so I am bringing it here.

 

If we have someone who had a BPV please claim before Tress reveals who she shot.

[Tyler Glembo]

right

 

thank you.

 

 

TG im gonna ask a favor cause i never got it at all. Can you sum up why you feel so strongly about Len? he has been pushed all game and you and dawn are adamant but im just not seeing what the reasoning is.

 

A couple reasons:

1) The tone of Len's post whenever asked or challenged has consistently been meek/amenable.  That comes off to me as guilty/nervous scum who are trying to manage town's perceptions of them.  I've quoted a number of such posts.

2) Len's train has consistently not taken off despite multiple people finding him "scummy" throughout the game.

 

 

Tress is conf town.  Dice is almost conf. town. 

 

If they both vote a person and that person isn't speed hammered they are conf. scum.

 

I am certain this will be Des, let's see what they think.  Nobody else has an opinion I care about today.

 

I disagree. We were at Mylo yesterday and Len had 2 votes at one point iirc and wasn't speed hammered. What does that say about him?

 

Maybe, but given Nol going all bull in the thread means he prolly wasn't going to work with his teammates to secure the game.  Still a good point tho.

[dawnflower8]

 

 

 

So I just wanna let you guys know something, Dawn, the other person in the Greece QT? Hasnt said a thing in there for a week and I have no idea why. It worries me.

 

She's played a vastly different game here from the one I clearly townread her in.  It's why I am not confident enough to push a lynch on you today, I can't figure that you're both scum and am not ready to certainly come down on one side of that.

 

Actually TG my main things are statistics, Des's play here being more cautious than usual and the fact that he spent an entire day both pushing Nol and distancing from him, eventually following me instead of taking his own stance.  It was really good misdirection but Nol overplayed the night reveal etc.

 

I keep forgetting to post in there....oops.

 

Since you are here now - could you explain your reasons for voting Lenlo?

 

He's seemed scummy to me the entire game, although now that I think of it, I don't even remember why. 

[Tyler Glembo]

He's seemed scummy to me the entire game, although now that I think of it, I don't even remember why. 

 

 

 

Just sheep me.

[Andrej]

@Darthe - To immediately assume that her shot failed because of a RB is faulty as I have already pointed out. I'm am not trying to WIFOM, merely suggesting other options that are 100% viable. I'm still failing to see how Dice is cleared and no one seems to be able to explain this to me.

 

What makes me Despo's most likely teammate? Are you doing this through POE, and if not, what method are you using? You continue pushing this angle but are not providing supporting evidence, so I don't find it very convincing. I wouldn't clear Despo by any means, as I had my early suspicions of him revolving around Womby, but him helping to push the Nolder lynch lends some credibility. I wouldn't pick him first to lynch today, to say the least.

 

Off the top of my head Len and you look the worse around Nolder. You for obvious reasons that have already been stated and Len for Nol's way of skirting around voting him D1 as consolidation time came.

 

Add to the general lack of content and I think we are best served to: ##vote Len

[Darthe]

oh dear god TG unvote

[amegakure]

Official Vote Count

 

Despo (1/5): Darthe

Lenlo (2/5): TG, AJ

 

 

Not Voting (7/8): Despo, Dawn,  Tress, Lenlo, Dice

 

 

With 8 players alive it takes 5 to lynch

 

 

Deadline is Monday the 28th at 12 noon MST Timer: http://www.timeandda...12&p0=197&csz=1

[amegakure]

Here is something inappropriate for Nolder since he is a bad enough dude to off himself as scum.

 

 

 

 i never saw this if anyone asks :)

[Darthe]

Actually... If we are wrong about Len it is going to be game over anyhow.  One of AJ/Len is mafia or this is some weird bus attempt.

 

I can't decide if I should vote here and commit to this lynch or not.  God I am scrambled as of late.  meh 

[amegakure]

there there!! 

[Andrej]

Darthe you are beginning to push my limit of believe with just how 'wrong' or 'off' you can be this game.

 

It seems you feel your name carries enough weight that we should follow your opinion without you having to provide evidence as to why you feel this way.

 

In our QT, while you were pushing Mynd, you were saying to me that I had been manipulated by him because he was a far more experienced player. Now that he has flipped town and you are semi-confident that I am scum, that would mean that I am the one who fooled Mynd. Do you believe this?

 

At this point the only reason I am not pushing for your lynch is because you seem to be baiting someone into claiming a protective role so you can CC.

 

Is this the case? I find it curious you would say BPV over Doc, which is what I was referring to earlier.

[Songstress]

I was blocked. It wasn't a doc protect or a BPV. There is a reason I know this.

 

Still at work, will have more later that will require quotes.

[Darthe]

No, I wasnt AJ

[Songstress]

I have stuff to say but I'm too tired to make sense.  

 

Morning will do.

[hazelkrs1]

Will try to reawaken my WIM for this game later on today, after I catch up all the way in the Red Wedding one.

[Kaylee]

What is WIM?

[dawnflower8]

I just noticed that this game has only 7 more pages than Red Wedding even though that game is on Day 1 and this one is on Day 4. 

 

It's probably because of all the memes.