[Advanced] Catching Fire mafia - Game over!

[michellem]

The bell tolls three times. A scream is echoing in the distance.

[hazelkrs1]

Double scene!

 

The bloodbath that ensued when the Games started was somehow more chaotic than normal due to the unusual environment around the tributes, and perhaps by the fact that many actually knew each other personally through the victory tours so each fight to the death was filled with that much more tension. As per usual, the Careers had not waited to start shedding blood, they immediately sought out those that seemed weakest and ruthlessly slayed their foe. Some of their targets were past winners that were too old to be a match physically, showing the Career's brutality even more than is normally seen from them.

 

One of them was enjoying the chaos even more than the others. Enobaria was baring her surgically altered teeth now, right after dispatching another weak target. The bloodlust was high in her, and seeing no easy targets within range around her she looked back down at her victim.

 

Technically the teeth were more for effect than anything- she was no cannibal and biting wasn't always an effective maneuver. But she had sunk her teeth into this tribute's shoulder, and had actually felt some of the muscle rip out as she had torn away with her grip like a rabid canine. Tho she had no taste for human flesh, the blood that was still glistening on her teeth only stoked her thirst for more bloodshed.

 

She was apparently too focused on the taste of her victim's blood, for she took no notice of the one walking up towards her on the narrow dike leading towards the cornucopia. As silent as they could be with the sound of their heartbeat beating in their ears, they picked up her fallen victim's blade and raised it high above their head.

 

At the last second Enobaria sensed the motion behind her and began to spin around. The blade fell before she could finish the spin however, and it landed with a sickening splat right across the back of her neck, severing her spine. She instantly loss control of all use of her limbs, and fell to the dike in a bloody heap atop her victim. Paralyzed and unable to move, Enobaria for once was glad someone else showed mercy when she never could as the blade fell again and ended her misery.

 

Dice - Enobaria, 1 shot Mafia Strongarm has been lynched

 

---

 

The Careers had somehow been fought off the beach shortly after losing one of their own. They did not waste any time mourning their comrade however, knowing that she had been too weak to stay alive and hunt down the others with them. They waited till night time and scouted the area, looking for someone that might be split off from the group.

 

They eventually found one of the morphlings from District 6, who was off on his own, apparently running as far away from the initial carnage as he could. He was shivering and his skin seemed pale and gaunt- the morphlings were famous for their substance addiction. He was likely as worried about not getting his fix as he was the situation around him.

 

His shivering and sniffling made it extremely easy for Brutus to sneak up undetected. Brutus had a number of weapons he could have chosen, and was extremely proficient with each one, but when he had the chance to get up close like this, he would rather enjoy the affair as much as possible. Drawing up close enough to be able to whisper in the male morphlings ear, Brutus finally put his hand around his victim's mouth and turned him around in a frighteningly strong grip.

 

The morphlings strange features contorted into a rictus of pain and anguish, and immediately distorted even more as Brutus switched his grip to putting both hands around his throat. His face soon turned several remarkable shades of blue before life finally slipped away from him and he slumped down in death. Brutus didn't even have a scratch on him as the man's withdrawal symptoms had robbed him of any strength to be able to fight off his attacker.

 

Standing up slowly, Brutus looked up as he finally heard the cannon blast trumpet out into the night sky. A confident and malevolent grin slowly grew on his face as he contemplated some time soon hearing that cannon blast after he ended that precious Mockingjay's life. She had stolen the spotlight the past couple of years with her stunts and flair for the dramatic, but no frivolously designed dress would be able to save her now that she was in the same arena with Brutus. He stalked back to join the other Careers and prepare for daybreak.

 

Csarmi - Male Morphling, Vanilla Town, has been Night Killed.

[hazelkrs1]

It is now Day 2.

 

Official Vote Count:

 

 

 

Not Voting (14): Amega, Vos, Darthe, Xhtrax, Pray, TG, Monk, Dap, Verb, Krak, Time, Hallia, Lenlo, Rhea

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is here

[Krakalakachkn]

After reading back through, these posts stuck out to me.

 

 

 

I would like to hard claim mafia and see what all of you do.

 

This claim may or may not be accurate and has no more weight than a claim of town, but let us postulate on what affect it has to make a legitimate null claim with a negative stigma associated with it rather than a positive.

 

Shall we?

 

The post that started the game. Darthe I agree that you have achieved what you stated as what you intended-to jump start the game & to get reactions. But I feel that a less chaotic-at-best start would have been. It started the game all right but not in a good way. Now there are two ways to look at it.

 

1. You as town just meant to start the game but chose the most chaotic way to do so. The best thing is to ignore it and go along with that game has started.

2. You as scum decided to go for a big gamble and stated outright that you were scum. Confusion was spread but most after commenting that it was bad way to start ignored it with no one voting you. But if you were scum this achieved the intent that you had-not be voted very early, cause confusion and be dismissed for a while.

 

This has caused considerable confusion but has also garnered reactions. It is a case of wifom-have you or have you not been telling the truth.

 

What am I going to do for now-it doesn't warrant enough for a outright suspicion on you but yes it will do good to see what follows. 

 

 

Filler post that rubs me the wrong way.  Mostly obvious info that allows X to fence-sit without taking a firm stance on the biggest interaction to date.

 

 

I don't like the point of Darthe's "may claim mafia" post. He claimed it as a high-risk maneuver but I disagree. It falls into the category of so-obvious-he-cannot-be-mafia and which seems to be exactly what he is aiming at.

 

Looking back at his posts this seems strange. He starts off with this, out of nowhere. All because vos said that he finds everybody null?

 

Strong town lean on Vos

 

Then his next post where he misleads

 

 

I would like to hard claim mafia and see what all of you do.

 

This claim may or may not be accurate and has no more weight than a claim of town, but let us postulate on what affect it has to make a legitimate null claim with a negative stigma associated with it rather than a positive.

 

Shall we?

 

 

And, the first person to vote him is 

 

Double-meh

 

##Vote Darthe

 

 

I have a feeling that it is a distancing act set up by Darthe and vos. Also, don;t think it is a coincidence that they had a connection earlier, 

 

Csarmi feels town as he has been forthcoming with his effects, especially the Double Vote, which could be a very important effect on the deadline day. Also, getting a town vibe from verbal, especially during the darthe-csarmi debate.

 

Scum: Darthe, Vos

Null/Need to see more: Rhea, Amega, Xthrax, Monk,  Dap, Krak, Time, TG, Dice, Hallia, Lenlo

Town: Csarmi, Verbal

 

##vote Darthe

 

 

Just out of curiosity, why vote Darthe instead of Vos?  Is it because you think Darthe is likelier to have a power role, or because you think he's the better player?  Or neither?

 

 

 

@CS-

1. There hasn't been much going on. So since people have posted quite less shouldn't they be a null read?

 

For instance your read on Rhea-You say she hasn't posted much, only a question to Dice about how he came up with his list of players. And that makes you lean town on her?

Dap's post-where he said that it was good that he didn't miss but that the game is very quite. That gives you a bad impression and a mixed read.

You read Amega as leaning scum because he said all the talk about Darthe's claim is making his brain hurt, asking if mafia would lurk and commenting on Darthe's play.

 

All of your reasons are nothing solid but you read them as leaning town/mafia?

 

2. I have no comment on that. But Hallia post to which you refer was just part of the initial fluff.

 

Oh ok.

 

My opinion on Darthe's jump starting post. I was giving my thoughts on two possible reasons he may have said so. I also said that it caused quite a bit of confusion, derailment and is wifom. So I will follow what comes next closely.

 

One more thing that I noticed Csarmi, you said that you dislike Verbal nudging your scummyness. What do you mean? Are you stating that his nudging hit a mark and his nudging was to something thats there?

 

Wow, that was a scummy leading question.  X obviously knew this wasn't what CS actually meant because if he had he wouldn't have posted it in the form of a question and he would have followed it up.  X is not looking good.

 

 

Alright thanks CS, sorry. Musta missed that. Been reading on my phone past few days.

Vote Dice

 

This is a classic bandwagon vote.  Jumps on with no reasoning whatsoever. 

[Krakalakachkn]

##Vote TG

[amegakure]

so Krak you just made this big speech about prayla not voting for who look suspicious and Lenlo bandwagoning and X looking scumy but vote TG?

[Krakalakachkn]

Are you calling it big because there were a lot of words involved or because I made good points, or….?

[nervositee]

 

 

 

@TG game was dead before Darthe started his fun. Also why the 180-turn?

At first I viewed it as no big deal and took what Darthe did as a mostly null/slight town move to fish for reactions, see who would jump, etc.. But now, looking back at D1 now there has been absolutely nothing of consequence that happened and it started with Darthe's derailment and continued lecturing.ALSO, DEADLINE PEOPLE!

Well I don't think that discussion is the reason people been playing slacky.So what about this alternate theory. You're making your U-turn because at this rate your scummate Dice is getting lynched and thus you need to try and find a mislynch somewhere.

Exactly what I was thinking.

 

 

Am I right in assuming this is your reason for voting TG now? Anything else?

[monk2310]

I love your unabashed skimming.

talking to me?

[Darthe]

Everyone, who would you like to vote?

[nervositee]

In which case, if you agreed to the extent you are willing to go with csarmis reasoning now without further discussion on it, why didn't you change your vote on him before he flipped? 

[nervositee]

Ninja'd. That belonged to my prev post to Krak. 

[nervositee]

In which case, if you agreed to the extent you are willing to go with csarmis reasoning now without further discussion on it, why didn't you change your vote on him before he flipped? 

 

Nevermind, skimmed abit too fast, got the timeline messed up. Going to bed now! 

[Lenlo]

I jumped on to consolidate so yes it was def a bandwagon vote so we didn't go random.

[Krakalakachkn]

In which case, if you agreed to the extent you are willing to go with csarmis reasoning now without further discussion on it, why didn't you change your vote on him before he flipped? 

 

First I agreed with what CS said, but that doesn't really matter regarding CS' alignment.  Dice's flip, however, made it clear to me that CS was town.  Then, of course, CS' flip confirmed that.  

 

The point is that TG made a "joke vote" in the very beginning and didn't change it until a train on Dice began.  Call it what you will, but to me three people is a train, especially with under 24 hours until the deadline.  Then, once Dice had 3 votes, TG flipped to Darthe, in my opinion the only other really viable candidate due to public opinion and his "mafia hard claim."  It seems pretty clear that it was a clumsy attempt to protect a teammate, and with Dice's flip as strong-arm I can understand why.

 

 

So yeah, TG for me is the best candidate.

[Krakalakachkn]

That and the fact that he bemoaned the lack of gameplay and hasn't done anything to add to it.

[amegakure]

there you go! i like the casing. Thats a solid reason for voting TG. And No BIG WORDS don't frighten me i was just afraid i was gonna have to call you a hypocrite for the vote. But you backed it up rather well. 

[Hallia]

I think that's a really good argument for TG.  And someone asked if you can get affected twice; I just did, although my lynchproof is gone, it was only good for the one day. 

 

##Vote TGlems

[amegakure]

##voteTG

[dapianoplay3r]

Right

Ok I missed the dice lynch. Good job guys

More on that to follow

 

But first Csarmi. Odd choice of NK, especially with a few PR hints and claims around.

My thinking is he was onto something with the sectors and who is in which. Maybe the mafia are immune or can't be in some of them.

 

Ok now dice.

 

##vote Dice

 

Hello everybody!

Dice hasn't even checked in and TG posts this.

The next few posts with Csarmi are worth going back to read. He is clearly playing it cool and jokey, but worth pointing out now that we know dice was mafia.

 

Hi TG!!

 

so do we assume Len, Rhea Darthe Pray Csarmi Xthrax and I were not caught in the sector as none of us have said what the effect was?

 

Im trying to remember the movie. Wasn't there a safe time however brief? was that 9-10?

So dice seems to be helping with the sector thing, so maybe it's not the reason Csarmi was targeted. Still worth watching for incase though

Interesting that he brings up the safe time though.

 

i agree with len tho I could see darthe doing this and counting on noone to believe him. May also be a way to fulfill a jester role perhaps? I may be thinking the wrong role.

 

theree is a part of me tempted to lynch him just so this doesn't get pulled again in future

The end of this is what strikes me the most. Tempted to lynch him so he doesn't pull in the future. I think Darthe is likely town.

dice seems to be setting up incase a Darthe lynch does happen and he needs to his behind a policy vote.

 

 

 

 

 

Hi TG!!

 

so do we assume Len, Rhea Darthe Pray Csarmi Xthrax and I were not caught in the sector as none of us have said what the effect was?

 

Im trying to remember the movie. Wasn't there a safe time however brief? was that 9-10?

 

How did you come up with that list of people?

 

 

 

They were the people that posted between the tolling and my post

I see that now. Thanks for responding. :)

The list of people seemed pretty obvious in its origin to me when I first read the thread. I find rhea asking about it for dice to clear it up a little like they are trying to make sure it's completely obvious to those on thread.

What's more, dice comments only on this and none of the other stuff on thread. It's quite targeted.

Need to keep and eye on rhea from now on but TG still seems like a more likely teammate.

It'll be telling to see where they vote when the trains are equal.

 

 

 

I expected reactions and attention. I don't see how you can blame me for it though as it isn't something that warrants blame. It is the direction of the game. That would be like blaming me because we have a countdown until night.

 

problem is it can have the opposite effect too

 

 

 

 

 

I expected reactions and attention. I don't see how you can blame me for it though as it isn't something that warrants blame. It is the direction of the game. That would be like blaming me because we have a countdown until night.

 

He can blame you for it because it was a completely random. artificial direction created by you. If you hadnt made such an outrageous weird claim then we would be in a completely different situation. Personally I dont care we have picked up and im glad for it.

I do agree with the blue

This post feels like dice is being very understanding and trying to play a pretty neutral game

 

I tried multiquoting this 3 times and failed so i just copied it

 

Csarmi

 

I can see why krak said you were contradicting yourself. Please explain to me if, when you say

 

 

""Claiming town" is not null in an advanced game. Claiming scum is not null either. Worse, they are in no way equal."[/size]

 

in that sentence are you talking about claiming something EARLY or about claiming something just during the normal process of the game?

Ahh, so that's why it was Csarmi. Dice was trying to get a lynch on him and so they must of thought he would be considered town now.

Watching for anyone else pushing Csarmi towards lynch

 

Post 207

Nervo has Csarmi on his mafia list with Darthe, but only one is mafia apparently.

No real interaction with dice though but an interesting nudge towards a similar goal. Especially if Darthe is also town (as stated earlier I think it's likely since dice sets up for a town flip on Darthe)

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/87846-advanced-catching-fire-mafia-day-two/?p=3175660

Click that and go back and see. Csarmi actually calls Nervo out for the dice read and stuff in those few posts. Now Csarmi is dead and dice was mafia.

Nervo is my top scum read so far.

 

Lol it seems like Csarmi is very good at reading dice.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/87846-advanced-catching-fire-mafia-day-two/?p=3176109

Nervo is the third to vote dice.

Not particularly scummy but with everything else plus his line..

"Not because I'm so set on him being scum..."

Nice little out if he needs one

 

#unvote, vote Darthe

Reading through D1 there is almost nothing to go on. No real player interaction, everyone playing it safe. How'd this happen? Well, Darthe went into lecturer mode and turned everyone away from scumhunting into discussing hypotheticals (e.g. Did I claim scum? Is that null? Isn't it? Advanced game? Etc etc)

As far as I'm concerned, that is the single least townie action anybody has taken so far. CS comes a close second by engaging him in the discussion to the degree he did.

Look who's back!

TG suddenly unvotes now that dice is even getting slight heat.

I don't see TG and Nervo being mafia together but it is possible.

But notice he is pushing Csarmi and Darthe as well, just like dice and Nervo

 

So i go from town to null leaning scum for what reason?

 

Dices post to Nervo.

 

and csarmi doesn't like that i asked a question about sectors.

Quickly followed by a post to Csarmi.

Once again pushing the sectors thing (maybe there was something in my crazy theory after all)

Looks like he called out Nervo as the teammate, then suddenly realised it was too specific so threw Csarmi in there as well to be seen to be asking around

 

265 and 264 are by Csarmi and dice respectively. It does seem he was fishing, so I'm gunna go back and say the mafia don't seem to be getting affected.

(Cos if one was then they would of posted it on the QT)

 

 

@TG game was dead before Darthe started his fun. Also why the 180-turn?

At first I viewed it as no big deal and took what Darthe did as a mostly null/slight town move to fish for reactions, see who would jump, etc.. But now, looking back at D1 now there has been absolutely nothing of consequence that happened and it started with Darthe's derailment and continued lecturing.

ALSO, DEADLINE PEOPLE!

Look who appears and pushes the deadline and a Darthe train over dice!

Best part is earlier (pre heat on dice) he had said this

 

Popping in before heading off to dinner. Interesting, and completely useless convo so far. All of it feels pretty town given the tone of people's (Darthe, CS, Verb) posts.

Fast little change there, especially since both posts were after the Darthe scum claim I believe

 

 

 

#StrongTownLean

Darthe does that a lot (post seemingly random posts about town leans), but more often than not, they aren't jokes, they do have a basis.

I can tell you that those early pages (and my interaction with Vos in particular) did give me a town lean on Vos at that time as well (the tone, the easy-going manner). So I read that post of Darthe as a real read (as it mirrored mine).

 

So we should always vote you Csarmi as you never have an easy going manner?

 

 

 

 

 

 

@TG game was dead before Darthe started his fun. Also why the 180-turn?

 

At first I viewed it as no big deal and took what Darthe did as a mostly null/slight town move to fish for reactions, see who would jump, etc.. But now, looking back at D1 now there has been absolutely nothing of consequence that happened and it started with Darthe's derailment and continued lecturing.

ALSO, DEADLINE PEOPLE!

Well I don't think that discussion is the reason people been playing slacky.

So what about this alternate theory. You're making your U-turn because at this rate your scummate Dice is getting lynched and thus you need to try and find a mislynch somewhere.

And basically any one who doesn't vote the way you want is mafia right?

 

Im not going to be here for Deadline so i will claim im a tracker.

 

Gonna vote Darthe clear up his Wifom. Unfortunately i think csarmi is derp town and i really dont have any reads at this point

First to comment on the Csarmi post in this post.

Dice and TG appear to have acted exactly how Csarmi called it.

Then dice comes, all defensive, to TGs aid.

He claims his role

 

4 hours until deadline... I guess there is no use in being coy. Dice is scum, I'm tracker and he is lying.

See this is interesting. It was dices "downfall" but the whole way through this he and dice seemed connected to me.

I dunno, I buy the claim cos it's a decent claim. But I want to go on record and say that if it was a gambit, dam they have balls.

 

Anyway I've left in my stuff about the connecting with Nervo cos I think it's interesting and I've put in the effort (sorry I hadn't read the thread so I wasn't aware Nervo counterclaimed)

 

#unvote vote dice

Lol look who instantly changes their vote as fast as possible.

 

so Krak you just made this big speech about prayla not voting for who look suspicious and Lenlo bandwagoning and X looking scumy but vote TG?

Strange that amega calls krak out for this. Krak was Csarmis biggest supporter about tej TG link

 

 

In which case, if you agreed to the extent you are willing to go with csarmis reasoning now without further discussion on it, why didn't you change your vote on him before he flipped?

 

First I agreed with what CS said, but that doesn't really matter regarding CS' alignment. Dice's flip, however, made it clear to me that CS was town. Then, of course, CS' flip confirmed that.

 

The point is that TG made a "joke vote" in the very beginning and didn't change it until a train on Dice began. Call it what you will, but to me three people is a train, especially with under 24 hours until the deadline. Then, once Dice had 3 votes, TG flipped to Darthe, in my opinion the only other really viable candidate due to public opinion and his "mafia hard claim." It seems pretty clear that it was a clumsy attempt to protect a teammate, and with Dice's flip as strong-arm I can understand why.

 

 

So yeah, TG for me is the best candidate.

Well this wot is kinda redundant now

But I'm caught up on the game

 

I agree TG is the way to go, however it looks like there are 4 or so rather fast votes on TG at this point. I'd like to hear from him before I vote.

[Lenlo]

I agree slow your rolls until he gets his piece in. Im abit suspect of the quick buildup going on with TG, so ima be looking at yous.

[Pralaya]

well that stinks... I wasn't around... :(

 

I thought I should mention before I catch up that I was affected by the time yesterday...

 

Which effect did you get? Double vote?

[hazelkrs1]

Official Vote Count:

 

 

 

TG (3): Krak, Hallia, Amega

 

Not Voting (11): Vos, Darthe, Xhtrax, Pray, TG, Monk, Dap, Verb, Time, Lenlo, Rhea

 

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is here

 

[Pralaya]

Just out of curiosity, why vote Darthe instead of Vos?  Is it because you think Darthe is likelier to have a power role, or because you think he's the better player?  Or neither?

 

 

Darthe was my primary scum read while Vos felt scummy in connection with Darthe. Hence the focus on Darthe. Apparently I was wrong on the latter.

[Verbal32]

Hey folks, I'm gonna be a little scarce for a couple days - got the stomach flu and am recovering - mostly in bed.

 

I need to catch up from my last post (a few pages, so mot much), so that'll be my priority once I'm back.