[Advanced] House MD Mafia - Mafia Victory!

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

 

I actually think not Womby.  I no longer trust scum tells here because the town/scummy behavior ratio is approaching 1:1.  You may as well play random and have fun mate, it won't matter.  

 

Even ignoring the nihilism presented above Mish is not worth the vote atm.  She may become so if I see a bit more heat for voting her then removing it.

 

This sounds like some linkage broseph. I'm just asking you to clarify. You called her mediating a scumtell, her response was "I'm not mediating" and then you unvote to switch to Despo.

 

I'm asking why or how that changed your mind.

 

 

It is.  Linking is valid, people just misuse it because they don't know how to read and critically analyze.  It is generally misplaced titling of interaction.  Real linking is a logical form of conjecture and must apply to situations rather than people.  I recognized that she believed her words and that lessened my suspicion to the point that I did not think it warranted a vote.  Whether or not her responses are or, in this case, aren't satisfactory is secondary to the way that she says them.  Simply stated I read her post as being very genuine and mafia are not genuine.

 

 

Here is Darthe's explanation for his switch.  In short, Mish responded to his vote in a way that made him think she was town.  Why he didn't explain this at the time is also rather clear from Darthe's statement that everyone is giving him crap for.  By not explaining his reasoning at first, Darthe induced the opportunistic to cast suspicion on him.  That is rather useful info.

 

 

 

 

It is.  Linking is valid, people just misuse it because they don't know how to read and critically analyze.  It is generally misplaced titling of interaction.  Real linking is a logical form of conjecture and must apply to situations rather than people.  I recognized that she believed her words and that lessened my suspicion to the point that I did not think it warranted a vote.  Whether or not her responses are or, in this case, aren't satisfactory is secondary to the way that she says them.  Simply stated I read her post as being very genuine and mafia are not genuine.

 

MOAR PSYCHBABBLE FLUFF

 

 

And here is you dismissing Darthe's reasoning out of hand.

 

 

I'm getting tired of this Wombat. This is the last time I'm going to say this, I'm about to watch some Breaking Bad. Hopefully you respond to what I've ACTUALLY been trying to get you to respond to when I come back to this tonight.

 

I don't care all that much about Darthe backtracking on Mish, or his "reasoning" for doing so. It WAS still a ridiculously quick backtrack, but w/e.

 

What ACTUALLY pings to me so much is the fact he said "Mish isn't worth voting atm. Altho she may be if I continue to catch heat for unvoting her"

 

THAT IS WHAT I FIND MEGASCUMMY.

 

Others have responded to this as well, and have asked Darthe to explain himself. He hasn't. He's scum.

[hazelkrs1]

In conclusion, Des, you have jumped on the first opportunity to tunnel Darthe and have shown even more reluctance than usual to reconsider.  You are forcing your meta in order to fake tunnel Darthe.  This allows you to express very few opinions on other players for D1 and gives you a built-in excuse should Darthe flip town.  And that is why I think you are scum.

 

nope nope nope nope nope.

 

Respond to what I'm actually pointing out about Darthe, then get back to me.

 

Continuing to ignore my actual case against Darthe is as good as a scumclaim for you Wombat.

[Hallia]

Peace - Good feeling on Peace.  I agree that the Despo/Csarmageddon thingy could've easily distracted town for D1.  I actually have a better feeling about AJ because of Csarmi bailing instead of staying.

 

Turin - Spammy memes again, OR SO I THOUGHT.  Continuing through the thread he actually put up a nice little analysis.  I didn't see TG's post before it changed, so I can't speak for or against it.  Disagree about Csarmi's reaction being kneejerk though, he is always quick to do any kind of claiming.

 

Mish - I applaud you woman, and I agree with that post!  I didn't see it as mediating either, it was more just trying to shake the bejesus out of those two.  One question; you mentioned people using buzzwords.  What constitutes a buzzword, and why is it a bad thing?

 

Despo - One day I'll be able to read you >.<

 

Amega - Nudged at Despo being mafia again, then went bye-bye; come baaack!

 

Me: Town 

 

Darthe - The whole Mish comment made no sense at all, and neither have his retorts.  One of my top two scum reads.

 

Kaylee - Going along with the flow

 

BFG - Not super talkative, but engaging with questions and commentary so I'm leaning town.

 

TG - My other top scum pick.  Said he'd call out Despo if his play wasn't consistent, but reading through Des seems fine to me, then he engaged in more sniping at  people, and voted Darthe, then his silly OMGSUS vote on Len was just awful.

 

Anyone not listed I haven't been able to get a real opinion on.  Be happy to switch between the two.

 

Vote TGlems

 

[WWWwombat]

 

Your "case" on Darthe is awful.  His reversal on Mish might have been sketchy if it weren't pretty obvious why he did it.  Darthe even explained it already.

 

Then you didn't read the case on Darthe at all apparently.

 

His backtrack on Mish has little to do with why I find him so scummy.

 

He LITERALLY said that if he continued to get more heat for unvoting Mish, he would revote Mish, even tho the sentence before that he says she is not deserving of a vote atm.

 

Reconcile THAT Wombat. THAT is my case on Darthe (in addition to his continuous dodging of this point). And there's now way that you can make me believe town!Wombat would find that awful.

 

And while you're at it, reconcile your read on me.

 

 

 

Yeah, I don't find that statement by Darthe to be scummy at all.  Darthe cares very little about his appearance whether town or scum.  Giving Darthe crap for reversing on Mish makes very little sense as town and is therefore likely to be the result of scum either looking for an easy target or chainsaw defending Mish.  Therefore Darthe catching heat could be used to infer that Mish might be scum.  At least that's how I see it.

 

And I don't like how you've made me put words in Darthe's mouth on the pretext of defending myself.  I feel soiled.

[michellem]

 

Ok I've been ninjaed like a dozen times as I'm also watching a movie and forgot to actually write my post for a while, haven't seen any posts after the one I'm quoteing ftr.

 

Where did Pral go? He just went poof.

 

 

Well I don't have a clue what this other game is and I don't care; if it's ongoing it shouldn't be used here and I won't take it into consideration. He looked like he had way more information than the rest of us, and when pointed out and he got some heat, he deleted the thing. Two scummy moves. Yes, I'm gonna need to see some more from TG before I'm even half convinced to move my vote away.

 

You say two scummy moves- but both have pretty easy explanations so don't really look that scummy AT ALL to me. So why continue to call them scummy?

 

"He looked like he had way more information than the rest of us" - the info that he had pertained to another ongoing game that Salami and TG were both in. So this isn't a case of scummy TMI.

 

"when pointed out and he got some heat, he deleted the thing" - looks a lot more to me like he was shown that he did something not very kosher, and got embarassed so deleted it (btw he didn't delete the post, he edited out what he said before. Just sayin).

 

Not saying this makes TG look town, but both of those things together look a lot more null indicative to me than scummy.

 

I liked some of the rest of your post tho. I do think you're overly sensitive about one-on-one arguments lately. It's kind of a normal thing to see in mafia games, and you acting like it doesn't belong in games and that arguments should be taken off thread just seems wrong to me. Gameplay is gameplay. It's supposed to be on thread. I wasn't arguing with Salami about ANYTHING that wasn't directly related to what had happened THIS game.

 

You don't think it's scummy; I do.  It's that easy.

 

 

 

 

Feeling slightly better about Kaylee and Mish. Still need more from Kaylee (and not sideline snipe posts, actual #work), and some slightly less emotional responses from Mish to make sure she's not hiding behind AtE.

 

Bolded: Oh for heavens sake, have you ever seen me do that? It's not the first time in a game you've tried to use an argument like that against me, but I have yet to see you prove I have ever done that. This sounds like you are trying to back away, but don't want to be seen as completly backtracking, and keeping the option open for turning again as it suits you.

 

Underlined: Am I the only one that knows people's meta around here? Pray is never active on the weekends. I still think he got some 'splaining to do, but pointing out his absence as if it's significant is... not good. Hopefully you just don't know his meta yet.

 

Green: nononono. You don't just get to say "I guess we disagree". Respond to the points I made and say WHY you disagree and why you still think they seem scummy please.

 

Bolded: I saw you hide behind AtE in a SG game a while ago. Can't remember which one off the top of my head. I didn't play in it (or I died early, one of the two) but I observed alot. Tress was on your team I remember.

 

 

I don't keep a tab on when people usually are online and not. Motly becuse for me weekends and weekdays are no different, and because I just can't be bothered in taking notes on who are usually online when.

 

I have already said why I thought his moves were scummy. It looked like he had more information than the rest of us; I'm not taking into consideration that you guys are saying it's about another ongoing game; I don't know what you're talking about, AND since using ongoing games is a big no-no and I don't think TG would do that, I still think he had too much information. Then he started getting attention for it, and someone else in the thread game him the excuse to use that it was about another game. And these things I already explained in my original post and you trying to make it seem like I didn't give any explanation... Not liking it, Des.

 

A vague game in SG some time ago. Nice. Real hard-hitting argument there.

 

 

 

 

 

Mish - I applaud you woman, and I agree with that post!  I didn't see it as mediating either, it was more just trying to shake the bejesus out of those two.  One question; you mentioned people using buzzwords.  What constitutes a buzzword, and why is it a bad thing?

 

 

A buzzword is words like "flailing, big game hunting, flinging, all the over place", words that you use to make a case make stronger than it really is or to make something look like a case when it's really just a string of buzzwords used to make someone look bad.

[Hallia]

But what if they're actually doing the word you use?

[michellem]

It's using buzzwords when the person isn't actually doing it. Like Des accusing Peace of big game hunting... It reads like using those words to make a statement heavier without any real strength.

 

Kinda like if I started accusing you of buddying right now. I don't really have much ground for it, but buddying is a quite strong word and it's easy to throw out to fake a suspicioun.

[Songstress]

Official Vote Count:
 
Darthe (3) - Despo, Kaylee, Peace
Despo (3) - Darthe. Turin, Wombat
TG (5) - Mish, Tommy, Leno, AJ, Hallia
Lenlo (1) - TG
 
Not Voting (4) - Amega, Dap, BFG, Pral
 
With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
 
No deadline has been set yet - but expect one soon.

[Darthe]

changes mind in light of new evidence > Backtracking

explains reasoning > psychobabble

retorts > misrepping

 

 

lol and you wonder why I don't care more.  trolling des is more pleasant than playing.  Besides, it will inevitably get him killed which is good.  

[Lenlo]

 

 

Peace, Turin, Mish, Wombat, Amega, BFG lock town.

 

Des, Len, one of TG/AJ lock scum.

 

The rest of you need to step your game up.  

 

You may as well go ahead and bookmark this post for endgame.  

Bookmarked. Waiting to watch it flip incorrect on atleast 2 or 3 cases.

 

Oh GAWD. This is seriously looking like a scummy TMI alert.

 

 

**Edited Out**  Comment unrelated to game.

Despo virtually the same thing as deleting it as there is NOTHING left of the original post. Nothing at all.

 

Doesn't change the fact that you LITERALLY used the exact wording "deleted in its entirety" as a way of trying to make TG look worse. You were just repeating what others said instead of actually reading the thread and letting your read develop organically. If you had, you NEVER would have said "deleted in its entirety".

 

Seriously contemplating moving my vote to Lenlo, he is pinging all over the place now. Still holding hope tho that the Darthe train gets back on its rails.

 

You say never yet your not me, your not in my head and you dont know how I am/was thinking at the time of writing that. I said deleted in its entirety because THATS WHAT HE DID. He took everything that was in it, EVERYTHING, and DELETED it. All of it. That pretty much fits the bill of Deleted in its entirety to me. Does it make him look worse? Yes. Because I want him lynched. So I embellished alittle to prove the point, doesnt change what he did.

 

Also TMI? I chose some random numbers. I know hes wrong on me and seeing how hes been so far I wouldnt be surprised if he was wrong on afew more. Especially seeing as he named 10 names there, more than half the game, and D1 hasnt even ended. Him being wrong on 2-3 isnt that big an error. Its called being a smart ass Des. I do it from time to time. 

[Darthe]

Deleting a post is a mod issue, not a player issue.  I don't care what it said frankly.  

[Turin Turambar]

Darthe, The player was the one that deleted it not the MOD. The MODs did not even ask that it be deleted as far as I know. They just stated that it was within the rules to edit the post. So to me that makes it gameplay and to be considered. I do think that his explanation for changing it was reasonable as I think I read the other game that he was referring to. 

 

MODS, did you ask TG to delete his post? I saw that they asked Despo to remove the profanity thingy that replaced his gif(another good reason to spoiler the things)

 

 

 

Despo, i think you are either (my opinion is the former)mafia pushing hard on a non-caring Darthe while trying to setup up people that disagree with you as mafia for the next day's lynching or you are so far down in your Darthe tunnel that you can't see anyone else that even disagrees with you as anything other than mafia, except Tommy for some reason. Neither is really very helpful. The two recent FoS's at Len and Mish have been really bad. My take on Len is that he would have been in there telling you both to basically STHU about your little spat with CS. It looked too easy of a thing to start knowing that he is uber sensitive to pretty much anything. I don't have the time at present to go thru your list of bad cases in this game so far, but the off the cuff summary is:

 

CS for claiming in the way he did

Darthe for one line that I don't think you can say was a scumslip. And then for him not defending that statement in a way that you understood. 

Mish for what exactly again? I forget. Trying to get credit for stopping your spat with CS? you were off the rails once he said that you hurt town when you are town. Now you are dictating what she has to respond to? would you like to just write her responses so that you can say they are scummy and push her sincce your Darthe train hasn't gone the way you wanted.

Len for being jokey? or was it for disagreeing with you about something? Oh his stance on TG. And the argument about wether or not removing all the content is the same as deleting it. In a practical sense they are the same thing. Lenlo is an engineering student so that would make him more practical minded IMO. That you are using a BS argument to cast doubt on him and defend TG adds to my thought you are mafia. First, it isn't really that important if the post itself is erased as others already read it and know what it says. Secondly your point is flat out wrong. If you remove all content from the post it is effectively deleted. Perhaps Edited would be the best way to say it but deleted was the word that TG himself used so... 

 

Oh and you talking about clout is totally ridiculous. It doesn't matter who says something as long as it is either valid or not. Giving too much credence to rep is an awful thing to subscribe to. It allows them to coast on their previous rep. You saying that something is so doesn't make it more likely than if I or Len or Pralaya or someone in their first game said it. The arguments need to stand on their own merit. Merely suggesting that anyone starts out with more or less believability is foolish. As does the entire LOCK CLEAR garbage. 

 

Despo is mafia. 

 

 

good night now.  

[hazelkrs1]

I retract my town read on Turin. Add him to the list of wolves.

[hazelkrs1]

Also we finished watching Breaking Bad tonight. SOOOOOO GOOOOD. Great ending, wrapped everything up so well. Sad that we don't have more episodes to watch anymore

[Lenlo]

Also we finished watching Breaking Bad tonight. SOOOOOO GOOOOD. Great ending, wrapped everything up so well. Sad that we don't have more episodes to watch anymore

Atleast that we can agree on. Twas a good show.

[Darthe]

Yeah dude that show was great.

 

Also Turin I don't see post deleting as within the confines of an edit.  Perhaps I am wrong though, it is the mod's rules.  But then waht is to stop me from posting something like "go to this link if you're town and we can privately chat, Turin" and then deleting it?

[Hallia]

I would imagine most people would follow the thread, and thus get the original as an email.  And also, I don't think anyone in the DM community would do anything like that.

[Darthe]

Morals aren't a good way to bet away a game.  I agree with you, but it seems unlikely.

 

Also... you guys actually follow threads and get email notifications?

[amegakure]

VOTE DES 

 

I retract my town read on Turin. Add him to the list of wolves 

this pretty much pulled the noose tight on my thoughts of des plus turins nice summary. Des is scummy or playing in a way that dosent really help town.

 

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

 

Peace - Good feeling on Peace.  I agree that the Despo/Csarmageddon thingy could've easily distracted town for D1.  I actually have a better feeling about AJ because of Csarmi bailing instead of staying.

 

Turin - Spammy memes again, OR SO I THOUGHT.  Continuing through the thread he actually put up a nice little analysis.  I didn't see TG's post before it changed, so I can't speak for or against it.  Disagree about Csarmi's reaction being kneejerk though, he is always quick to do any kind of claiming.

 

Mish - I applaud you woman, and I agree with that post!  I didn't see it as mediating either, it was more just trying to shake the bejesus out of those two.  One question; you mentioned people using buzzwords.  What constitutes a buzzword, and why is it a bad thing?

 

Despo - One day I'll be able to read you >.<

 

Amega - Nudged at Despo being mafia again, then went bye-bye; come baaack!

 

Me: Town 

 

Darthe - The whole Mish comment made no sense at all, and neither have his retorts.  One of my top two scum reads.

 

Kaylee - Going along with the flow

 

BFG - Not super talkative, but engaging with questions and commentary so I'm leaning town.

 

TG - My other top scum pick.  Said he'd call out Despo if his play wasn't consistent, but reading through Des seems fine to me, then he engaged in more sniping at  people, and voted Darthe, then his silly OMGSUS vote on Len was just awful.

 

Anyone not listed I haven't been able to get a real opinion on.  Be happy to switch between the two.

 

Vote TGlems

 

So far I like your reads Hallia but lemme ask you this- new and improved this game?

 

And as a followup- Darthe and TG have both been names tossed around alot, and you said you would be open to lynching them both. Let's say for a second those two were off the table- THEN who would you be voting for?

 

Yeah, I don't find that statement by Darthe to be scummy at all.  Darthe cares very little about his appearance whether town or scum.  Giving Darthe crap for reversing on Mish makes very little sense as town and is therefore likely to be the result of scum either looking for an easy target or chainsaw defending Mish.  Therefore Darthe catching heat could be used to infer that Mish might be scum.  At least that's how I see it.

 

And I don't like how you've made me put words in Darthe's mouth on the pretext of defending myself.  I feel soiled.

 

See but here's the thing- I DIDN'T ask for you to put words in Darthe's mouth. I simply asked you to address the actual part of my case on Darthe that you had been ignoring, since you called it awful and everything, and YOU'RE the one who chose to guess what Darthe had in his head.

 

You know this to be an antitown move man. Now you two are inextricably linked together. You answering for Darthe is just bizarro, since now he can just come back and say "Yeah, what Wombat said" at some point and either slither out of a lynch possibly or get you lynched (if you are/were town) even if he couldn't.

 

Moreover what you said looks like a big stretch to me. So you think that Darthe said he would revote Mish if he continued catching heat for unvoting her, because he might suspect people to be chainsaw defending Mish. But that's kind of silly, because don't you think that both town and scum would be equally as likely to suspect Darthe for his quick vote and unvote on Mish? So in other words, townies could call him out for it, he could revote Mish, and let's say she then flipped scum. So he would then suspect those who called him out for his quick vote/unvote?

 

And you would buy this from him? Seriously?

 

You're better than that bro. You wouldn't tie yourself to someone like this if you were town because you wouldn't know that person's alignment, so linking yourself to him would not be very smart. You are one of the smartest people I know in mafia.

 

Hence ==> Baguette The only conclusion that I am left to draw is that you are defending your scumbuddy Darthe, or that you are trying to defend someone you know is town to try and earn towncred or something.

 

Maj FOS.

 

 

I have already said why I thought his moves were scummy. It looked like he had more information than the rest of us; I'm not taking into consideration that you guys are saying it's about another ongoing game; I don't know what you're talking about, AND since using ongoing games is a big no-no and I don't think TG would do that, I still think he had too much information. Then he started getting attention for it, and someone else in the thread game him the excuse to use that it was about another game. And these things I already explained in my original post and you trying to make it seem like I didn't give any explanation... Not liking it, Des.

 

A vague game in SG some time ago. Nice. Real hard-hitting argument there.

 

Bold: TG admitted that he did so Mish. Nice try white-knighting him as a person while still saying you think he's scum.

 

 

I brought in something from another game, which is outside the spirit of mafia.  I apologize for that (especially to CS) and don't want it to interfere with either game, so I deleted the post you are both referring to. 

 

Right here. And oh look, who's the very next person to post after him?

 

*facepalm*

 

I do hope you asked the mods for permission before doing that.

 

 

Yeah.... not looking good for you Mish.

 

So you are the very next one to post after TG SAID he brought something from another game and that it was outside of the spirit of mafia, and yet now you're trying to act all noble in your view of him - "I don't think TG would do that".

 

So were you not reading his posts? Cause right now you look INCREDIBLY scummy and opportunistic in regards to TG- you want to act like you still suspect him even tho you unvoted, and you say you don't think he would bring something in from another game... even tho you were the first to respond AFTER he straight up admitted to doing so.

 

Pretty tempted to vote you as well.

 

You say never yet your not me, your not in my head and you dont know how I am/was thinking at the time of writing that. I said deleted in its entirety because THATS WHAT HE DID. He took everything that was in it, EVERYTHING, and DELETED it. All of it. That pretty much fits the bill of Deleted in its entirety to me. Does it make him look worse? Yes. Because I want him lynched. So I embellished alittle to prove the point, doesnt change what he did.

 

 

Also TMI? I chose some random numbers. I know hes wrong on me and seeing how hes been so far I wouldnt be surprised if he was wrong on afew more. Especially seeing as he named 10 names there, more than half the game, and D1 hasnt even ended. Him being wrong on 2-3 isnt that big an error. Its called being a smart ass Des. I do it from time to time. 

 

Bold: You said he deleted the post in it's entirety, as in the whole post, not the content of the post. However, this is somewhat of a semantics issue so I'll drop it.

 

What I won't drop however...

 

Underlined: Is the fact that I didn't say what about that excerpt seemed like TMI, yet you assumed I meant you saying "2-3" reads wrong or w/e. First of all, just about anyone that posts a list with that many names is pretty much GUARANTEED to have 2-3 names wrong, so really what you said just looks like a waste of a statement. Second, it doesn't really matter how many people you think he could be wrong about, what you said to me looks like a scummer possibly laughing at a townie having a bunch of wrong reads and basically :winkfacing: at them.

 

Darthe, The player was the one that deleted it not the MOD. The MODs did not even ask that it be deleted as far as I know. They just stated that it was within the rules to edit the post. So to me that makes it gameplay and to be considered. I do think that his explanation for changing it was reasonable as I think I read the other game that he was referring to. 

 

Despo, i think you are either (my opinion is the former)mafia pushing hard on a non-caring Darthe while trying to setup up people that disagree with you as mafia for the next day's lynching or you are so far down in your Darthe tunnel that you can't see anyone else that even disagrees with you as anything other than mafia, except Tommy for some reason. Neither is really very helpful. The two recent FoS's at Len and Mish have been really bad. My take on Len is that he would have been in there telling you both to basically STHU about your little spat with CS. It looked too easy of a thing to start knowing that he is uber sensitive to pretty much anything. I don't have the time at present to go thru your list of bad cases in this game so far, but the off the cuff summary is:

 

CS for claiming in the way he did

Darthe for one line that I don't think you can say was a scumslip. And then for him not defending that statement in a way that you understood. 

Mish for what exactly again? I forget. Trying to get credit for stopping your spat with CS? you were off the rails once he said that you hurt town when you are town. Now you are dictating what she has to respond to? would you like to just write her responses so that you can say they are scummy and push her sincce your Darthe train hasn't gone the way you wanted.

Len for being jokey? or was it for disagreeing with you about something? Oh his stance on TG. And the argument about wether or not removing all the content is the same as deleting it. In a practical sense they are the same thing. Lenlo is an engineering student so that would make him more practical minded IMO. That you are using a BS argument to cast doubt on him and defend TG adds to my thought you are mafia. First, it isn't really that important if the post itself is erased as others already read it and know what it says. Secondly your point is flat out wrong. If you remove all content from the post it is effectively deleted. Perhaps Edited would be the best way to say it but deleted was the word that TG himself used so... 

 

Oh and you talking about clout is totally ridiculous. It doesn't matter who says something as long as it is either valid or not. Giving too much credence to rep is an awful thing to subscribe to. It allows them to coast on their previous rep. You saying that something is so doesn't make it more likely than if I or Len or Pralaya or someone in their first game said it. The arguments need to stand on their own merit. Merely suggesting that anyone starts out with more or less believability is foolish. As does the entire LOCK CLEAR garbage. 

 

Despo is mafia. 

 

good night now.  

 

lol sooooo much that is wrong with this post.

 

1. You say I fos anyone who disagrees with me except Tommy.... are you just blatantly ignoring the multiple times I fos'd Tommy for hard defending Darthe?

 

2. I find Darthe to be incrediscummy for his scumslip I pointed out, and he has yet to even attempt to explain himself, and is admittedly outright trolling me. OF COURSE I'm going to be suspicious of people who defend someone who looks that scummy.

 

3. A lot of cheap shots @ my cases and reasoning and stuff, yet you say you don't have the time to go through and show why they're bad. That's just... dude that's weak.

 

4. Then you summarize a bunch of cases or fos's I've made at various points and pretty much leave out important parts or just misrep the fos entirely.

 

Salami - I don't care about him claiming town, claiming town is null obv in mafia, and even more so in Salami's case since he does so every game right when he joins usually. What I called him out about was his LD response to a simple "Are you town?" question.

 

Darthe - Tell me WHY you don't think it was a scumslip. He outright said he would vote someone if he continued catching heat for unvoting them. Do you really think a townie would be so self-conscious in such a situation? Wombat even said Darthe doesn't care how he looks as either alignment... so why would he do anything based on the perception of others in this game?

 

Mish - My main problem with her is her current stance on TG: she unvoted him, yet still suspects him apparently, and thinks him editing his post is scummy, even tho he already explained why he edited it (because he brought something from another ongoing game).

 

And btw man I'm so sick of you getting on your high horse about me dude. I didn't "dictate" what exactly she should respond to. Just freaking absurd man. I POLITELY asked her to FURTHER explain something I felt was significant. Dude... that's EXACTLY what townies should do when following up on a read. Ask for clarification. Really annoyed that you try acting all morally superior to me all the time, usually for nothing or something really stupid.

 

Lenlo - He's repeating what a lot of others are saying without really trying to see if it is applicable to the situation himself. The deleting thing, which eh I don't care about. He also repeated something Tommy said about low hanging fruit and said TG was going for an easy target... which seems silly considering TG moved his vote from Darthe (I think) who had a number of votes on him, to Lenlo, who had none. How is that going for an easy target? I think Lenlo is just parroting what others have said to try and blend in.

 

5. Lastly, clout. You of all people should realize how silly your stance is in this argument. Would you like for me to quote all of the times I have heard someone in a QT say "Man, if people listened to Turin more, it would be so much better for town"? Cause I see it ALOT. And do you know why that is? Part of it is your schedule, you don't have as much time for mafia. Part of it is your tone, you're not that aggressive. Part of it is that you ALWAYS suspect me of being mafia, and have been proven wrong time and time again. Like now for instance. You spend one of your few posts in the game making this lengthy detailed post.... just to support your vote on me. Completely ignoring everyone else in the meantime. In the same way that a lot of people probably ignore me when I go after Darthe a lot, you get ignored because every game, no matter the circumstances, you always think I'm scum.

 

And that's just in your case. Fact is, more vocal people have more clout. It doesn't make their argument or points more likely to be true, but what it DOES do is make them more likely to be listened to. Hallia, for instance, has great instincts as a townie. You have no idea how many times I have seen her nail scum teams after a short time period. But because for a long time she wasn't very vocal, people tended to not listen or pay attention to her reads as much. Lately she is learning to be more vocal, and imo she's made some great strides in being an effective townie.

 

You may not like that clout is a thing, and that I'm right (like usual ), but come on bro. Think about someone who always acts scummy early on or something and gets away with it cause everyone knows them here. You think they would be able to do to a different site where they have no clout and get away with the same type of scummy behavior? Heck no.

 

Yeah dude that show was great.

 

Also Turin I don't see post deleting as within the confines of an edit.  Perhaps I am wrong though, it is the mod's rules.  But then waht is to stop me from posting something like "go to this link if you're town and we can privately chat, Turin" and then deleting it?

 

Bold: Uh, common decency I hope? You act like everyone who plays this game is constantly looking for ways to cheat or bend the rules. That's not true man. This is A GAME. It's not some competition where the winners get paid or something, it's something that friendly people play for fun. I really don't think just about ANYONE would do what you described if the mods didn't specifically make a rule against it or something. If someone did, they'd be tarred and feathered off DM, cause dude that kind of thing would just be so... wrong. SMH.

[hazelkrs1]

VOTE DES 

 

 

I retract my town read on Turin. Add him to the list of wolves

 

this pretty much pulled the noose tight on my thoughts of des plus turins nice summary. Des is scummy or playing in a way that dosent really help town.

 

Turin had an awful summary, and I'm playing in a way that I think will give town the greatest chance of victory. Turrible vote.

[hazelkrs1]

VOTE DES 

 

I retract my town read on Turin. Add him to the list of wolves

this pretty much pulled the noose tight on my thoughts of des plus turins nice summary. Des is scummy or playing in a way that dosent really help town.

 

Turin had an awful summary, and I'm playing in a way that I think will give town the greatest chance of victory. Turrible vote.

[WWWwombat]

Lol Des.  You can't ask me to evaluate the scumminess of a statement without asking me to examine the intent of the statement.  And since Darthe was vague, that means speculating and provisionally putting words in his mouth.

 

As for townies being equally likely to call Darthe out for the vote change as scum, that's not true at all.  Most townies tend to look for things that are actually scummy, not things that they don't understand.  Scum look for anything that is not easily understood as pro-town and can therefore be built into a case.

 

Also, as for linking myself to Darthe, that's dog crap.  I'm just calling out garbage where I see it.  So far, the only things I've said about Darthe's alignment are that I picked up a couple town tells from him.  I have a slight town read on him.  On D1.

[hazelkrs1]

Lol Des.  You can't ask me to evaluate the scumminess of a statement without asking me to examine the intent of the statement.  And since Darthe was vague, that means speculating and provisionally putting words in his mouth.

 

As for townies being equally likely to call Darthe out for the vote change as scum, that's not true at all.  Most townies tend to look for things that are actually scummy, not things that they don't understand.  Scum look for anything that is not easily understood as pro-town and can therefore be built into a case.

 

Also, as for linking myself to Darthe, that's dog crap.  I'm just calling out garbage where I see it.  So far, the only things I've said about Darthe's alignment are that I picked up a couple town tells from him.  I have a slight town read on him.  On D1.

 

1st paragraph: I'm not the one who called me case awful. You are. I asked you to explain and you then addressed stuff that wasn't really the main part of my case on him. I pointed it out again. If you were town, the correct response would have been "Hmm... that could be something there. I would like to see Darthe's explanation for that as well", or mebbe in the case that you still somehow thought him town - "Well I dunno. Who knows why Darthe does some of the stuff he does?" - something along those lines. I didn't ask for you to explain why you thought Darthe said what he did, I just pointed it out for you so you could understand why I find him scummy. YOU'RE the one who decided to provide intent on someone else's part.

 

2nd paragraph: .... What Darthe said WAS scummy. It's not that I didn't understand him, he said he would vote somewhere depending on other's opinion of him. Imo scum are MUCH more likely to be concerned with their appearance in thread than town, so to me it looked like an amazingly scummy thing to say. And if you're referring to his vote/unvote on Mish, well then again I'd disagree. Darthe voted Mish, she responded with one post, and 30 mins later he unvoted. That's a very quick backtrack, and could easily look scummy to townies.

 

3rd paragraph: Nope, you tied yourself to him when you decided to provide intent on his part even tho I didn't ask you to. THAT'S where you linked yourself to him. And your towntells on him are crap if you think him admitting to trolling me and continuing to evade other's questions towards him is townie behavior.

[WWWwombat]

1.  Your case was awful.  And the part about Darthe backtracking was at least as big a part of it as him saying he might switch back.

 

2.  It is that you didn't understand him.  You saw him saying he would change his vote but didn't know why and you assumed the scummiest possible motivation.  That's called bias.  And then you go on to confirm my first criticism against your case by continuing to push the backtrack aspect which is allegedly a minor part of the case.

 

3.  No Des, you asked me to tell you why I didn't think Darthe saying that specific thing was scummy.  That requires explaining the statement and how I interpreted it.  And you have no idea what towntells I saw.