[Advanced] House MD Mafia - Mafia Victory!

[hazelkrs1]

Alright edited that crass 404 out

 

Going to respond to alot more- but Tommy WHYYYYYY are you hard defending Darthe somuch????

 

I KNOW the WIL is strong with Darthe lately. Trust me. EVERYONE here knows that, and many have given him mucho crap for it in just about every game he shows it. I've been debating starting a petition to bring the 'ol Darthe back.

 

But that's NOT why I, or others most likely, are voting him. Go back and read my post again summarizing Darthe's incredibly scummy behavior. That has nothing to do with his WIL.

 

And Darthe is pretty much never low hanging fruit btw. For some strange reason, he still has a lot of clout here, even tho he never tries anymore. See how quickly the votes dissipated off of him? So yeah dude I feel like you totally gave others good reason to hop off his train, and potentially let a scummer loose. Really not happy about that.

 

And he CONTINUES to just dodge the whole argument. In fact isn't even apparently reading my posts. Darthe is what I thought he is, and you let him off the hook!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAN9ORwsiVA

[WWWwombat]

Multiquote catchup inc

[BFG]

This game is way too uptight.  You all gotta lay back and see what happens a bit more.  Conversation is the most enjoyable part of this.

 

 

Also, did Des make a good case on me TG?  I must have missed it.

 

@Tom, I think I explained myself well.  Do you need me to rephrase something in particular?

 

 

 

Even ignoring the nihilism presented above Mish is not worth the vote atm.  She may become so if I see a bit more heat for voting her then removing it.

Darthe, please explain this statement.  Just the bold.

 

Think this is the pertinent question

[Kaylee]

My response to Tommy wasn't meant to be harsh. It's better for everyone to read and make their own opinions.

 

Tommy: as for TG, his explanation about the difference between the town claim felt off to me. I know he's explained it, but I don't know for gut reasons still feels off to me. What do you think about the fact that Darthe's train depleted rather quickly and TG's gained just as fast?

[Tommyrod]

 

 

unvote, vote Lenlo

 

Lenlo is scum.

 

 

I explained why I deleted it.  A Mod came into the thread to comment right after I deleted it.  It was explained by others that it had to do with something out of game.  And you still come in and try to bury your vote on me.

...................wow

 

 

So where is it? What happened that changed your mind, and where? Point it out. Show me the thought process. You're not DOING, you're FOLLOWING. And very conspicuously at that.

 

1) CS and Despo went back and forth early game and CS quick claimed for a trumped up reason (Pral's joke was def not an LD, IMO).  I would have expected Despo to go after CS, HARD, which would be consistent. Instead Despo didn't.  I immediately figured something was wrong and called it gambitty and scum/scummy.  Darthe agreed.  Hence, CS & Des scum and Darthe town.

 

2) I realized that the difference is that CS didn't claim VT.  THerefore, my read was off because I misinterpreted the situation.  Thus, CS goes to a town read, Des goes to null, and Darthe loses his town cred.

 

3) Despo and Darthe go back and forth.  Despo makes a good case on Darthe which I agree with.  Despo gets town cred and I sheep my vote onto Despo.

 

4) Despo also pointed out the scumminess by AJ.  I found this to be a better case than what he made on Darthe but I still have CS with town lean so overall I'm not going to put my vote here. 

 

This was my thought process.

 

 

bertstare.gif

 

Pral's joke? Was that supposed to be a joke? They went back and forth like 5 times and he hasn't done anything substantive.

 

This is a pretty meager thought process overall, but Des made a one liner about AJ's comment being weird. That was not a "case." There is no way that is a stronger or more compelling argument than Darthe being scum, so I know you're just making things up now.

 

I think you're pretty off base with Amega in the first quote. To me it comes across as something he is pointing out that is inconsistent among what a player does and says. Just because he poked at you a bit earlier doesn't mean he is being opportunistic. What he said is legitimate in regard to Dap's words and actions. Definite confbias on your part IMO.

 

Internet tough guy? Meh. I can see Tommy's tactic of claiming a Dayvig to illicit reactions and what not (saw him do it recently in another game) but it also reminds me of another game where I saw a rather wily player fake a guilty view on someone (Yates in KH, I'm sure you remember). It caught my eye, so I challenged him on it a bit. Not sure why you are automatically assuming that he is joking about it though, he's brought it up 3 times to 3 different players.

 

I agree with most of your reads in general. I'm actually not reading Mish as scummy this game which is sort of surprising to me, so I may need to go back and look some. If the biggest argument against her is her telling you and CS to shut up, then no. I'll also need to look back on BFG to see if I can pin-point what exactly it was that felt off to me. I can kind of agree with your read on Kaylee, not a lot of personal thoughts on her part coming out, mostly just summarization. I didn't like her response to Tommy asking her what her thoughts so far were.

 

Calldd megascummy

Is town

is loggical

 

Lol

 

Ignorance isnt an insult btw. It is stating that someone is unaware of something. For instance I am completely ignorant of how they make different shades in realistic paintings.

 

Your definition of ignorance is true but the example you give doesn't match the way you used the word in context to Despo.

 

Pretty meh on AJ's recent post. Town read on Mish is troubling. Scum read on BFG is meh. Town read on Lenlo is premature.

 

But his shot @ Dap for leaving because of a joke dayvig claim was just...

 

Premature, maybe. Based on tone alone though, I highly doubt Lenlo is scum. Again, idk why you are assuming it was a joke claim. The exchange is pretty humorous but I didn't call Dap scum for it.

 

Dap bashes on Tommy's OP: "You're lying already."

 

Tommy retorts: "U forreal bro? I'll shoot you."

Dap: "Oh, nah I was jk lol"

 

Tommy: "you're busted."

 

Dap: "g2g!"

 

 

So... TG getting in your face for not policy lynching Salami and then high-fiving Darthe for not really doing anything is borderline preposterous

 

I'm going to call out Despo if his play isn't consistent.  I thought his play wasn't consistent because he didn't go after CS for the immediate claim, making me wonder why Despo would suddenly change his entire stance on early claims in just a couple days.  I don't figure Despo changed his mind about policy lynching the early claim so I'm assuming scum/scum gambiting.  Darthe agreed with me, hence Darthe gets winning points. 

 

Then I realize that CS claimed town, not vanilla town, which makes it different. 

 

For all the posts since then, I have no idea what to think about AJ.  After realizing my mistake, CS looked town to me because I figure his town claim isn't a null statement.  But AJ looks turrible for his calling out Dap over "leaving."  Despo looks town at this point.  Darthe looks scum because of the backtracking.

 

vote Darthe

 

 

Explain the bolded please. Also what makes it different that my replacement claimed town over a town role?

 

Darthe plop down your complete stream of consciousness interpretation of this game so I can follow the thought process in your head because the one you left in the thread is not legible; good place to start would be explaining how you turned around on Mish like that

 

This ^

 

Seriously dude, you could've just clarified instead of giving the run-around about tone. I asked you a specific question in regards to how your mind changed towards Mish and instead of answering with "she sounds genuine" you went on to soft-hint that you think she could be scum if people continue to question you about the change. I don't get it.

 

 

Not really liking this vote or Kaylee's tone in response to Tommy asking her what was happening. Seems rather abrasive and defensive to be asked a simple opinion question.

 

 

I've seen apathetic scumDarthe as well, so I'm taking that with a grain of salt. I think he has done a poor job making his thought process transparent for those who have questioned it. Instead of replying in a lengthy psychology toned response on the true definition of what linking is, he could've just explained that Mish's tone sounded genuine and that her thoughts (although wrong in his opinion) were believed by her. 

 

That said I'm not a big fan of his most recent voters in TG and Kaylee, so I think you may be right that this is a mislynch waiting to happen. Sort of sad that Darthe isn't even really fighting it though.

 

unvote

 

 

Blue: I haven't. I'll put that in my back of my mind; I associate his WIL behavior with his town game. The biggest reason I think Darthe is likely to be town is the fact that I have a strong scum read on TG and TG is literally just sheeping Des onto whomever Des says is sketchy. Except now he's going after Lenlo apparently... so once again, after being called out for having weak reasoning for voting people, he's retreating and voting someone else again.

 

 

 

1) CS and Despo went back and forth early game and CS quick claimed for a trumped up reason (Pral's joke was def not an LD, IMO).  I would have expected Despo to go after CS, HARD, which would be consistent. Instead Despo didn't.  I immediately figured something was wrong and called it gambitty and scum/scummy.  Darthe agreed.  Hence, CS & Des scum and Darthe town.

 

2) I realized that the difference is that CS didn't claim VT.  THerefore, my read was off because I misinterpreted the situation.  Thus, CS goes to a town read, Des goes to null, and Darthe loses his town cred.

 

3) Despo and Darthe go back and forth.  Despo makes a good case on Darthe which I agree with.  Despo gets town cred and I sheep my vote onto Despo.

 

4) Despo also pointed out the scumminess by AJ.  I found this to be a better case than what he made on Darthe but I still have CS with town lean so overall I'm not going to put my vote here. 

 

This was my thought process.

 

Lol

 

Vote TG

 

2. I posed this question to you earlier, but here again you are saying that because CS claimed town over VT that this makes the sitatuation different. How exactly? It's still a town claim no matter how you chop it.

 

4. So you think that Despo made a strong case that I am scum versus Darthe, but you vote on the bigger train anyway because my prior slot holder was a town lean? Nah man...

 

AJ is now LOCK CLEAR, TG's point #4 is straight up terrible, I'd lynch him for that post alone.

[peacesells]

Welp....Darthe has showed up.  Refused to answer the most glaring question in the game so.

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE DARTHE.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

You got abit more than just im scum? You can explain why you deleted it all you want, you could have just edited it instead but you chose to delete. Seeing as how I cant go back and look at it since its deleted I also cant verify how much of it was worthy of being gotten rid of. 

 

Besides your deletion isnt the only reason I voted you. I mentioned it because it was worth mentioning it but it is not the sole reason for my vote.

 

 

It is your main reason, and it is a bad one.  And no, I'm not going to rehash or restate it.  I deleted it for the reasons stated and it will stay that way.

 

Its not my main reason actually, but thanks.

 

And as long as you refuse to rehash it ill ping you for it. Thats your choice.

 

 

I love TG outright refusing to explain himself but uses you not liking that as a reason to vote you. You can't possibly win that argument. 

 

This game is way too uptight.  You all gotta lay back and see what happens a bit more.  Conversation is the most enjoyable part of this.

 

 

Also, did Des make a good case on me TG?  I must have missed it.

 

@Tom, I think I explained myself well.  Do you need me to rephrase something in particular?

 

Just stop signing up for games if you're gonna do this.

 

Almost forgot,

Someone mentioned thetiebar

It's a cool website

I want so many of those

 

Quoted this one because your above is so large and rambly. So your stance is what: Darthe/TG are both scum candidates but Darthe is scummier? 

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

Even ignoring the nihilism presented above Mish is not worth the vote atm. She may become so if I see a bit more heat for voting her then removing it.

Darthe, please explain this statement. Just the bold.

I think I know what he was getting at with that line but if he wants to clarify that would be alright. If I am right tho I could see how he might not want to just yet.

 

Either way I am leaning more town on Darthe despite his overuse of big words.

 

 

that Despo is convinced that it is a blatant slip is troubling. Add in the CS thing and I'm thinking that he is likely mafia.

 

VOTE DESPO

 

Shocker of the year!

 

Tbh I actually read Turin as town atm. Not good that he is being led around by Peace however.

 

Peace/Darthe are scum/scum. Mish is on mah radar.

 

 

You know how I know you're scum?  Because you said that "to be honest" you are reading your top meta-adversary as town.  Combine that with the thing about Turin already tunneling you in RVS, and it looks like you're really trying to muddy the waters with respect top Turin.  Scared he'd get a read on you?

 

 

 

 

OMGUS DESP

Uh huh. Scum.

 

Why you be big game hunting on me?

 

 

No such thing as big game...although the star wars scum team gave me that label in their QT.  That was a first.  Still....no such thing.

 

 

Oh there is such a thing, but they're all gone.

 

 

UNVOTE

 

Despo is not scum after all.

 

He likes to use me when scum.  He'll give a town read on me in hopes of not getting into a protracted argument.  When town...he reads me as scum often and is not afraid of me focusing on him. 

 

Or maybe he just realized he can ignore or desicredit you.

 

 

 

 

 

And also irrelevant.

 

Not sure what to do with TG now though.

Why does TG deleting a post make you unsure?

 

 

 

Ok quotes got messed up, but nested quote is from me for those with bad memory.

 

Because now I'm trying to figure out if it was actually a slip and he's desperatly trying to backtrack, or he actually did something that he honestly regretted.

 

Fair enough

 

 

OMG it's BfG!

 

 

Apparently logic now ewuals psychobabble to the ignorant Dezpothera

 

More like anything he doesn't immediately get and see as favoring his agenda.  Easier to dismiss something than parse it.

 

 

 

What does warrents looking at mean?

Someone else needs to go back and read it in detail for me and tell me what to do

 

 

QFT

[WWWwombat]

 

 

What does warrents looking at mean?

Someone else needs to go back and read it in detail for me and tell me what to do

 

exactly.

 

 

K, Peace is on town meta.

 

 

 

 

Lupus is boring. Raise your hand if you're a doc!Vote: Lenlo

Cuz Darthe is my homie.

Bolded=buddying. First actual ping of the game. Let's start here.Unvote, Vote Wombat

Despo gets it.

 

 

My opinion is that when you're town, you tend to hurt town more than help it.

1. Coming from you, this is freaking hilarious. There's a reason your play gets compared to EP and Ley a bunch.

 

2. Just wildly untrue. I almost never lose as town, and when I do it's usually cause I was NK'ed early.

 

3.

 

4. I don't even think you believe this.

 

Unvote, Vote Fishlami.

Kinda agree with des here

But then again he's awesome

*brofists*

 

 

 

So by this logic your saying wombat is scummy for calling darth his homie in the fluff stage. Aka Budding

 

But then you pretty much do the same thing with des. Cause he's awesome. looks like buddying but in the more crucial votes and analysis period of the game... weird.

 

 

POW.  Would really like to see what Dap says to this.

 

 

 

Is the scum strategy in this game to make jokes 

No thats just me.

 

 

Yeah, you're twice as lazy as Darthe.

 

 

Hey Lenlo I'm a civil engineer what kind are you

 

That's like engineering for people who can't hack it in mechanical, right?

 

 

 

 

Lol I assumed as much.

Kinda figured you were BSing anyway since you're voting him instead.

Prove it.

// INITIALIZING DAY VIG SCRIPT

// BULLET LOADED $$PM MOD WITH TARGET

// SHOOT AJ

#yolo

 

In case you aren't BSing:

 

Legit scum read on Darthe. The obsfucation was over the top IMO. His round about way of saying that I defended Mish is sketchy as well. The logic behind it is full of holes. He seems to think that others defending her would indicate she is scum although he has essentially already cleared her through tone. There are several other possibilities he is neglecting to acknowledge. One being that scum would WK Mish or that people generally didn't understand his motive or thought process.

 

Leaning town on Mish.

 

Something about BFG's long OP WoT without a vote at the end feels off to me.

 

Peace's original case on Despo was bad. CS essentially started the argument by saying Despo hurts his team as town which then prompted Despo's vote and following posts. Seems he reread or is now clearing Despo from meta, not too sure here.

 

Dap looks bad for ducking out so quickly after the Dayvig threat.

 

Len's tone is good.

 

Despo is probtown.

 

 

I disagree with literally everything you said in this post.  Impressive job.

 

 

Do you think I'd just shoot you without reading the thread

Even I am not that lackadaisical right

 

Probably

 

Maybe

 

Coward.

 

 

And don't think I'm gonna let you wiggle out of not posting Seinfeld gifs today

 

I'll make you a deal

 

For every one you post tonight, I'll read a page of this game tomorrow 

 

Terrorist.

 

 

Calldd megascummy

Is town

is loggical

 

Lol

 

Ignorance isnt an insult btw. It is stating that someone is unaware of something. For instance I am completely ignorant of how they make different shades in realistic paintings.

 

Indeed it isn't.  Most people don't understand that though.

 

 

Or Scumbat-Scumlaya maybe, since Scumlaya came to Scumbat's defense there

 

But Scumlami is terrible at whatever it is he is trying to do here

 

Nonsense.  I'm pretty sure he was trying to play the fool.  Success.

 

 

 

Calldd megascummy

Is town

is loggical

 

Lol

Oh so you're town? Oh then we all have to instantly believe you then, right?

 

WHAT is illogical about the stuff people are saying about you?

 

 

^ Darthe continuing to dance around not explaining himself

 

Ignorance isnt an insult btw. It is stating that someone is unaware of something. For instance I am completely ignorant of how they make different shades in realistic paintings.

That's only if you actually state what it is I am ignorant of. You didn't. You straight up called me ignorant.

 

Personally, I could give a flying elephant, and you know that. But a personal attack is a personal attack. Instead of defending yourself calmly and rationally, you went the low road and took a cheap shot. That's well within your scum meta

 

 

And instead of making a legit case, you continue to substitute gifs for arguments.

 

Also,

 

NEWS FLASH: EVERYONE IS IGNORANT

 

 

Okay Tommy you are LOCK CLEAR

 

 

And thank you or reminding me about Pray. Yeah that interaction between him and Salami looks bad for both of them. Pretty sure there's at least one scum in there, possibly two if it was a weak distance attempt.

 

Gross.  You are mafia.

 

 

Lol cause ur ignorant of how to recognize the difference between things youdisagree with a scumminess

 

Black and White 4tw!

 

 

 

 

There's a number of people I find scummy, and this from TG def doesn't look good, but I still don't understand how you have a town read on Darthe, my highest scum read by far.

 

Because you tunnel hard on Darthe every game.  It's difficult to tell what is pre-game bias versus in game play.  I tend to discount your Darthe comments.

 

 

Yeah, so Peace is so town it hurts.

 

 

Darthe plop down your complete stream of consciousness interpretation of this game so I can follow the thought process in your head because the one you left in the thread is not legible; good place to start would be explaining how you turned around on Mish like that

 

Be careful what you wish for.

[dapianoplay3r]

TG is scummier

I think Darthe is scummy but TG is more so

I didn't vote cos it's a rather large train ATM and I wanted so see responses from TG

 

And now I go to work

(and sorry for the rambles

 

It's the state I'm in)

[Tommyrod]

Alright edited that crass 404 out

 

Going to respond to alot more- but Tommy WHYYYYYY are you hard defending Darthe somuch????

 

I KNOW the WIL is strong with Darthe lately. Trust me. EVERYONE here knows that, and many have given him mucho crap for it in just about every game he shows it. I've been debating starting a petition to bring the 'ol Darthe back.

 

But that's NOT why I, or others most likely, are voting him. Go back and read my post again summarizing Darthe's incredibly scummy behavior. That has nothing to do with his WIL.

 

And Darthe is pretty much never low hanging fruit btw. For some strange reason, he still has a lot of clout here, even tho he never tries anymore. See how quickly the votes dissipated off of him? So yeah dude I feel like you totally gave others good reason to hop off his train, and potentially let a scummer loose. Really not happy about that.

 

And he CONTINUES to just dodge the whole argument. In fact isn't even apparently reading my posts. Darthe is what I thought he is, and you let him off the hook!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAN9ORwsiVA

 

Sometimes we'll disagree. I know Darthe is your top scum read, but it's kind of blowing my mind that you apparently end up tunneling on him every single game and never learn from it. You need to be a little more flexible. In other recent games of mine I led 4 mislynches in a row as town because I keep lynching the scummiest player on D1 who keeps ending up being town because the mafia are smarter than that and try to blend in. Darthe isn't even attempting to blend in here, IMO. But there's a good example of someone trying to blend in (but failing): TG. My biggest Darthe = town lean was two things: him not trying at all while still acting like he's lock clear, which is exactly consistent with his behavior in the star wars game, and TG voting for him because I'm SURE TG is scum here. Now with TG tucking tail and moving his vote again, this time onto Lenlo, and Darthe outright refusing to defend himself for the fourth time, I'm not gonna hard defend Darthe anymore, but I *am* gonna say "I told you so" to you if Darthe flips town. TG is my highest scum suspect, Pral is in contention as well and there's a new TG/Pral link in TG's most recent posts, and Darthe is probably going to end up getting himself lynched by refusing to play the actual game. (As a disclaimer: if he does flip scum, feel free to laugh at me.)

[WWWwombat]

 

Hey Lenlo I'm a civil engineer what kind are you

Electrical Engineer.

 

 

Want more from Hallia, Dap, some seriousness from Len-

Seriousness is overrated, but ill try just for you.

 

Real srs bsns post to come soon. Need to do some readin.

 

 

Nice.  Can you make me a coilgun?  I've always wanted one.

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Darthe (5) - Leno, AJ, Despo, TG, Kaylee

Despo (2) - Darthe. Turin

Mish (1) -  Wombat

TG (2) - Mish, Tommy

 

 

Not Voting (6) - Amega, Hallia, Dap, BFG, Pral, Peace

 

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

 

No deadline has been set yet - but expect one soon.

 

Darthe train is SOOOOO dirty.

 

 

 

 

It's a sad state of affairs when I'm defending Darthe for doing the same thing I've seen from him as town in our last 5 games together: namely nothing helpful and acting like anyone who comes at him is an idiot while he does nothing to defend himself. You guys should know that this WIL attitude is typical from him now. TG is looking to be obviscum here... so unless the scumteam is having the most pathetic D1 WIL scum-collapse of all time, I'm guessing Darthe is an easy mislynch target. The number of votes on him and the ease with which he gains them from people who aren't doing the actual #work to discern his alignment (TG being far and away the most glaring) but are just sponging other people's cases to flop votes onto him seems to support that.

 

I want you to look at TG's progression on Darthe... from buddying him to reversing on him immediately after being called out for it and while Darthe is the largest wagon and then stating Darthe's backtrack as the reason he's the scummiest player ITT when TG is doing the exact same thing... and tell me that's not just lazy scum going after the lowest hanging fruit.

 

 

So you're contending that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING happened between page 2 and page 13 of this game that could possibly make my read on Darthe change?  Instead, you're labeling it backtracking/flipping?  Are you serious here?

 

 

Regardless of what happened, you didn't explain how any of it affected your read.  Only I'm allowed to do that.

 

 

 

Lupus is boring.  Raise your hand if you're a doc!

 

 

Vote: Lenlo

 

Cuz Darthe is my homie.

This was all the way back in the jokevote phase so im not reading to much into at it all. Worth to file away if we ever see how Darthe flips, or Wombat vice versa.

 

I'm town. I win with town. That's the only way I can win.

Ive seen Csarmi do this before and it still pings me every time even though he tends to be telling the truth. One day I know he wont be. As such that ping carrys over to AJ since he replaced in for him.

 

 

You would lynch me for wanting this game not to end up like Machine of Souls almost did? Good thinking Darthe.

 

Three things wrong with this.  

 

1) I would lynch you for attempting to mediate.  That isn't a town action, it is the action of someone attempting to fake being town.  I can explain this in more detail if needed.

2) Town won machine of souls and that is an entirely different scenario where we both knew who the mafia was and we all HAD to cooperate to win so we couldn't test the waters like we can here, making this argument logical fallacy at best and manipulative at worst.

3) This reads like a passive aggressive WHYME FRYME.  So with that in mind unvote vote Mish

I dont see how mediating is a scum move. Trying to get people to cut their stupid bull crap arguments that have little to do with the actual game seems like a pretty good idea to me. You know get focused on this.

 

first regarding the CS/Despo thing. It looked like a staged affair as it was kind of out of the blue with it escalating in a unnatural way from my POV. I thought it might be a way to stall normal game discussion until CS asked to replace. I don't think he would do that if he was in the middle of a gambit. Now that doesn't clear either CS(now AJ) or Despot. I still have pings from both of them.

 

CS for his kneejerk LD style claim which always seems odd and forced to me. throw in a little whyme in his response to Pray and a bit of overdefensiveness in his general replies about the quick claim and there is a case there. Therewas also the fishing comment but since he hasn't watched the show as I took it he might not know

 

Despo may have slipped also. He said that if he was asked if he were scum he would just say "yes". Then also mentioned claiming 5th party or some other thing but not just saying that he was town in a normal way. That came across as freudian to me. Also he chose to vote Wombat for his post buddying Darthe but didn't even flinch about Lenlo blatantly buddying Darthe in his original vote.

 

Darthe actually is not looking like he is clearly mafia and is working. I did see the potential that she was trying to step in and look like a peace maker where she could later claim town on town violence. Unfortunately that would make me have to lean Despo town, so I am conflicted there. 

 

Did anyone else read TG's diagnosis for CS replacing out as him having TMI? It looked awfully detailed for someone not in the know.

Yes Des did ping me abit when he called out Wombat for buddying without mentioning my poking at Darthe also, but he probably knows Wombat better than I do as well. So slight ping and im gonna keep watching him.

 

As for TG's post, I remember thinking is was pretty scummy but seeing as its deleted and I cant reread it to get a better feel for it im going to default to pretty good scum ping. I dont see why town would want to delete a post in its entirety. 

 

 

OMGUS DESP

Uh huh. Scum.

 

Why you be big game hunting on me?

 

Cause its fun.

 

 

 

Dunno. I havnt caught up/reread yet. Lot looks to have happened since I left yesterday. Only reason im still around is cause chattin with you is amusing.

 

Can I answer after ive actually caught up?

Nope, we'll never speak again

 

  

Hey Lenlo I'm a civil engineer what kind are you

Lynch all liars!

 

Im sorry. I have to do this. Unvote vote tommyrod

 

For srs though, Darthe I feel like always plays like this and so while it feels scummy my gut and prior experiences are telling me not to lynch him. Atleast not on D1 anyways. See what more he does. TG with his deleted post and as Tommy said his change of time on Darthe are the scummiest things im seeing. Darthes train also seems to have built without any new arguements, just the same ones being rehashed by the same people.

 

So unvote vote TG

 

 

Damn.  I was hoping you were town.

[WWWwombat]

This game is way too uptight.  You all gotta lay back and see what happens a bit more.  Conversation is the most enjoyable part of this.

 

 

Also, did Des make a good case on me TG?  I must have missed it.

 

@Tom, I think I explained myself well.  Do you need me to rephrase something in particular?

 

Reciprocity.  Why should people talk if you don't?  I've got a couple town tells from you, but I doubt that more than a couple people know what to think of you.

 

 

Tommy, i wanted to be included in the archer thing. Though Cyril was the only dude really left.

The new seasons been pretty good. Annoying that is on hiatus ATM though.

 

AJ. I didn't run away at the mention of a day Vig. I had work. I'm pretty sure I even said I had to leave for work. Then I went out. Got very very drunk

Tried to come back and post but couldn't read the thread. And now just woke up with mac Donald's next to my bed (got it home but comad out)

So sorry for all that lurking I did.

 

I think I'm still a little drunk

Lol

 

Also tommy did the exact same day Vig speech the last game I played with him. I'll quote my response to that if you want but it's the same here.

I can't know if he has one or not, I can't change if he shoots or not. So I ignore his pestering about shooting me and play. Hopefully he sees reason and shoots elsewhere (or never has a shot anyway)

 

And then I get some cloud fire

Dumb

 

Mac Donald's is really gross cold

But microwaved lettuce is pretty rank too.

 

To microwave or not to microwave

 

I do need more water though

Atleast I'm not working till tonight. On Saturday I turned up still drunk/and or stoned. Was a bit of a mess lol

 

I dunno; Dap seems par for course on the ducking out; he goes to the bars often

Exactly

I only paid for one drink last night and I was off my tits

I love tip night

 

Calldd megascummy

Is town

is loggical

Lol

Ignorance isnt an insult btw. It is stating that someone is unaware of something. For instance I am completely ignorant of how they make different shades in realistic paintings.

It's really easy

Just mix some primary's together and maybe white

That's it

 

Okay went digging

 

Des looks really paranoid on a readthrough, salami looks sloppy and emotional as hell and I see mish going back to the mediator thingshe does. I would lynch any of them.

 

Good lookin' Darthe. WIM

So TG's post came directly after the one above from Darthe- Darthe had lobbed a few pretty bad fos's, so TG saying Darthe had displayed WIM there is pretty gross.

 

HOWEVER.

 

Tommy look at this exchange and tell me this isn't just boldfaced scummery from Darthe.

 

 

You would lynch me for wanting this game not to end up like Machine of Souls almost did? Good thinking Darthe.

Three things wrong with this.

 

1) I would lynch you for attempting to mediate. That isn't a town action, it is the action of someone attempting to fake being town. I can explain this in more detail if needed.

2) Town won machine of souls and that is an entirely different scenario where we both knew who the mafia was and we all HAD to cooperate to win so we couldn't test the waters like we can here, making this argument logical fallacy at best and manipulative at worst.

3) This reads like a passive aggressive WHYME FRYME. So with that in mind unvote vote Mish

So here Darthe votes Mish (keep track of the timestamps for this and the next couple of posts)

 

I'm not trying to mediate Darthe; I'm trying to tell them both to shut the fudge up about whatever issues it seems they have between them, so we can have a fun game that doesn't get affected by it. I'm here to play mafia, not watch quarreling.

 

And I said ALMOST. There was a good while in Machine of Souls I had absolutley no hope we'd make it, because several people were refusing to co-operate. It almost ruined the fun of the game for me then, and I didn't want this game to be the same.

Here's Mish's defense

 

I don't agree with your thoughts Mish but you being wrong doesn't make you scummy. Unvote vote Des

And just a bit later, Darthe unvotes in his very next post. Says she is wrong but not scummy. WHOA @ THAT INSTANT BACKTRACK.

 

Don't agree that Despo vs csarmi was staged. Looked like pretty normal razzing to me. Mish trying to play it off as personal attacks pings, especially since she knows Des well.unvote

vote mish

A little while later Womby votes Mish...

 

I actually think not Womby. I no longer trust scum tells here because the town/scummy behavior ratio is approaching 1:1. You may as well play random and have fun mate, it won't matter.

 

Even ignoring the nihilism presented above Mish is not worth the vote atm. She may become so if I see a bit more heat for voting her then removing it.

... which prompts Darthe to instantly come to defend her.

 

 

So Darthe votes Mish, unvotes her instantly after she defends herself once, then in his next post is defending her. Blatantly scummy.

 

Even worse, LOOK AT THIS WORDING:

 

Mish is not worth the vote atm. She may become so if I see a bit more heat for voting her then removing it.

That's just SUCH an incredibly scummy thing to say. If he gets more heat for unvoting her he might put his vote back on her?

Just turrible.

Yes

Yes yes yes

So scummy. I agree

Upvote

 

 

I disagree, by alot. I think I hadn't posted enough gifs yet to compel you to read far enough ahead. Look at what I just pointed out about Darthe (again) and tell me he still seems like he could be town

 

I can definitely see why you have a strong scum lean on Darthe after that MQ.

 

I'll read the rest of the thread when I wake up. I'm 5 hours past my bedtime now, tomorrow's gonna be a sleeping pills night.

He's running away from the thread!

It's scummy

Quick AJ, call him out

 

 

So... TG getting in your face for not policy lynching Salami and then high-fiving Darthe for not really doing anything is borderline preposterous

I'm going to call out Despo if his play isn't consistent. I thought his play wasn't consistent because he didn't go after CS for the immediate claim, making me wonder why Despo would suddenly change his entire stance on early claims in just a couple days. I don't figure Despo changed his mind about policy lynching the early claim so I'm assuming scum/scum gambiting. Darthe agreed with me, hence Darthe gets winning points.

 

Then I realize that CS claimed town, not vanilla town, which makes it different.

 

For all the posts since then, I have no idea what to think about AJ. After realizing my mistake, CS looked town to me because I figure his town claim isn't a null statement. But AJ looks turrible for his calling out Dap over "leaving." Despo looks town at this point. Darthe looks scum because of the backtracking.

 

vote Darthe

Turrible is despos word

Why are you using the game weirdness

It's really odd

 

More people are commenting on the gtg stuff. It doesn't look like I said I had work but that's where I was going. I was leaving regardless

I guess I did backtrack but that's only if you took the "omg your lying and exaggerating on thread already" post as serious.

I didn't think a comment on an OP gif would be taken seriously

Also I didn't take the day Vig seriously after last game

(Not that I took it seriously last game tbh)

 

 

Eww.  Observe this wall.  It is terrible.  40% fluff, 40% sheeping, 20% outright scum, 0% pro-town game content.  And it takes up like 5 pages.

[WWWwombat]

TG is scummier

I think Darthe is scummy but TG is more so

I didn't vote cos it's a rather large train ATM and I wanted so see responses from TG

 

And now I go to work

(and sorry for the rambles

 

It's the state I'm in)

 

ROFL.  Nice hedge/nudge.

[WWWwombat]

Despo, AJ, Dap, Lenlo

[WWWwombat]

unvote

Vote: Despo

[Darthe]

Peace, Turin, Mish, Wombat, Amega, BFG lock town.

 

Des, Len, one of TG/AJ lock scum.

 

The rest of you need to step your game up.  

 

You may as well go ahead and bookmark this post for endgame.  

[Darthe]

FTP I will state that I am generally wary of Wombat to the point that I don't put it past him to do this anticipating that I will get lynched and then riding that credit to late game.  But I am sticking with it for the moment.

[WWWwombat]

Also, Tommy, your argument for AJ being clear is crap.  Just cuz TG's case is garbage doesn't mean that AJ is town.  Especially considering the speed of the TG train and Dap's gross nudging.

[Tommyrod]

There's SO MUCH wrong in Wombat's recent posts that I don't even know where to begin... JFC.

[WWWwombat]

Begin at the beginning...

 

 

 

Either that or admit that you're full of crap and retract.

[Songstress]

Official Vote Count:
 
Darthe (3) - Despo, Kaylee, Peace
Despo (3) - Darthe. Turin, Wombat
TG (4) - Mish, Tommy, Leno, AJ
Lenlo (1) - TG
 
Not Voting (5) - Amega, Hallia, Dap, BFG, Pral
 
With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
 
No deadline has been set yet - but expect one soon.

[Songstress]

Alright edited that crass 404 out

 

Much appreciated.

 

I mean...

[hazelkrs1]

Well I don't have a clue what this other game is and I don't care; if it's ongoing it shouldn't be used here and I won't take it into consideration. He looked like he had way more information than the rest of us, and when pointed out and he got some heat, he deleted the thing. Two scummy moves. Yes, I'm gonna need to see some more from TG before I'm even half convinced to move my vote away.

 

You say two scummy moves- but both have pretty easy explanations so don't really look that scummy AT ALL to me. So why continue to call them scummy?

 

"He looked like he had way more information than the rest of us" - the info that he had pertained to another ongoing game that Salami and TG were both in. So this isn't a case of scummy TMI.

 

"when pointed out and he got some heat, he deleted the thing" - looks a lot more to me like he was shown that he did something not very kosher, and got embarassed so deleted it (btw he didn't delete the post, he edited out what he said before. Just sayin).

 

Not saying this makes TG look town, but both of those things together look a lot more null indicative to me than scummy.

 

I liked some of the rest of your post tho. I do think you're overly sensitive about one-on-one arguments lately. It's kind of a normal thing to see in mafia games, and you acting like it doesn't belong in games and that arguments should be taken off thread just seems wrong to me. Gameplay is gameplay. It's supposed to be on thread. I wasn't arguing with Salami about ANYTHING that wasn't directly related to what had happened THIS game.

 

 

There's a number of people I find scummy, and this from TG def doesn't look good, but I still don't understand how you have a town read on Darthe, my highest scum read by far.

Because you tunnel hard on Darthe every game.  It's difficult to tell what is pre-game bias versus in game play.  I tend to discount your Darthe comments.

 

 

Eh good point.

 

 

Had to chop out Kaylee's post cause it kept bugging, but yeah another sideline snipe post from her. Def doesn't make me feel better about her.

 

 

Darthe plop down your complete stream of consciousness interpretation of this game so I can follow the thought process in your head because the one you left in the thread is not legible; good place to start would be explaining how you turned around on Mish like that

 

 

 

Darthe if you're town (either that or you're getting bussed by TG which would just be sad) you need to defend yourself and not just act like you are lock clear without bothering to play like you did in the last game

 

Look at the wagon on you: Darthe (4) - Leno, AJ, Despo, TG

 

Nothing you can add? Still think Des is the scummiest player? Actual thoughts on what TG just did? Not gonna follow up on the Backtrack comment? GONNA ADD ANYTHING AT ALL?

 

 

Why does it feel like you're trying to get Darthe to act more townie instead of seeing if he's actually scum or not? These two posts in addition to your hard defense of him later make me think could be his teammate.

 

I dont see how mediating is a scum move. Trying to get people to cut their stupid bull crap arguments that have little to do with the actual game seems like a pretty good idea to me. You know get focused on this.

 

As for TG's post, I remember thinking is was pretty scummy but seeing as its deleted and I cant reread it to get a better feel for it im going to default to pretty good scum ping. I dont see why town would want to delete a post in its entirety. 

 

For srs though, Darthe I feel like always plays like this and so while it feels scummy my gut and prior experiences are telling me not to lynch him. Atleast not on D1 anyways. See what more he does. TG with his deleted post and as Tommy said his change of time on Darthe are the scummiest things im seeing. Darthes train also seems to have built without any new arguements, just the same ones being rehashed by the same people.

 

Bold: I think you're either trying to buddy Mish or go along with what you think a townie would say here or something, because if you actually thought my push on Salami had little to do with the game then I don't know what to tell you. I rolled my eyes at his LD statement response, and it went from there.

 

IT WAS ABOUT GAMEPLAY. It wasn't a "stupid bull crap argument" that had little to do with the game.

 

Italics: Again, I'm thinking you're just repeating things you heard others say, because you make this big show about how TG deleting his post in it's entirety instead of editing it, but..........

 

HE DIDN'T DELETE IT IN IT'S ENTIRETY. He DID edit it, and the post now says "Edited out stuff that was not about this game" or something like that. Did you not go back and check? Sounds like you just went along with what other people were saying and that he deleted it, and tried using that against him.

 

Underlined: Oh so he's scummy, but not scummy enough for a D1 lynch.

 

And there haven't been new arguments about Darthe because he continuosly ignores those brought up about him previously. Your soft-to-hard (giggity) defense of him is noted tho.

 

 

unvote, vote Lenlo

 

Lenlo is scum.

 

 

I explained why I deleted it.  A Mod came into the thread to comment right after I deleted it.  It was explained by others that it had to do with something out of game.  And you still come in and try to bury your vote on me.

You got abit more than just im scum? You can explain why you deleted it all you want, you could have just edited it instead but you chose to delete. Seeing as how I cant go back and look at it since its deleted I also cant verify how much of it was worthy of being gotten rid of. 

 

Besides your deletion isnt the only reason I voted you. I mentioned it because it was worth mentioning it but it is not the sole reason for my vote.

 

 

Again, IT WASN'T DELETED IN IT'S ENTIRETY.

 

Serious scumvibes from Lenlofinger now.

 

Internet tough guy? Meh. I can see Tommy's tactic of claiming a Dayvig to illicit reactions and what not (saw him do it recently in another game) but it also reminds me of another game where I saw a rather wily player fake a guilty view on someone (Yates in KH, I'm sure you remember). It caught my eye, so I challenged him on it a bit. Not sure why you are automatically assuming that he is joking about it though, he's brought it up 3 times to 3 different players.

 

Again, idk why you are assuming it was a joke claim. The exchange is pretty humorous but I didn't call Dap scum for it.

 

Dap bashes on Tommy's OP: "You're lying already."

 

Tommy retorts: "U forreal bro? I'll shoot you."

Dap: "Oh, nah I was jk lol"

 

Tommy: "you're busted."

 

Dap: "g2g!"

 

I've seen apathetic scumDarthe as well, so I'm taking that with a grain of salt. I think he has done a poor job making his thought process transparent for those who have questioned it. Instead of replying in a lengthy psychology toned response on the true definition of what linking is, he could've just explained that Mish's tone sounded genuine and that her thoughts (although wrong in his opinion) were believed by her. 

 

That said I'm not a big fan of his most recent voters in TG and Kaylee, so I think you may be right that this is a mislynch waiting to happen. Sort of sad that Darthe isn't even really fighting it though.

 

unvote

 

Bold: If you've seen him jokingly claim DayVig in another game (and yes, I can confirm that he does it often), why would you assume him to be telling the truth here? That makes zero sense to me.

 

Moreover, why would Dap ducking out @ a vig threat, if that's what he even had done (which I doubt tremendously), make him look suspicious? If someone runs away from a vig threat, doesn't it stand to reason that it would make the vig much more likely to actually shoot them? Your reasoning here makes no sense. You're creating a ping where there was none. Dap left the thread. I think there's roughly 0.00001% chance it had to do with Tommy threatening to shoot him.

 

Underlined: Ugh could you fencesit on Darthe anymore? So you first say Darthe is apathetic as scum as well lately (true), then say he did a poor job explaining himself but eventually did, then say you don't like TG and Kaylee's posts, then say it's sad that Darthe isn't even fighting it.

 

... so you unvote?

 

Bleurgh. If Darthe is town I'm pretty sure you're scum for your waffling on him while unvoting at the same time.

 

You also find a pretty sketchy reason to then jump to the other leading train, TG, and this looks extremely suspect to me. You're high on my radar atm AJ.

 

This game is way too uptight.  You all gotta lay back and see what happens a bit more.  Conversation is the most enjoyable part of this.

 

 

Also, did Des make a good case on me TG?  I must have missed it.

 

@Tom, I think I explained myself well.  Do you need me to rephrase something in particular?

 

Here you go Darthe, I'll be a pal and link it for you!

 

 

 

Either way, Lenlo just came in with the scummiest posts overall, so my vote goes there.

*shrug*

 

Alright. I completely disagree and think your just shooting for what you believe to be an easy target, but its your vote.

 

Now if youll excuse me im gonna go back to joking. Twas more entertaining than arguing with you.

 

 

Bold: Going for an easy target? You have no other votes on you, and you're not high on anyone else's radar. How are you an easy target atm? If he wanted an easy target, he could have just stayed on Darthe, who still looks megascummy. Again, I just think you're repeating what you've heard others say to try and make yourself fit in. Giant scumvibes now.

 

Underlined: Oh and then you say you'll go back to joking instead of trying to continue to apply pressure to see if your target is scum or not. Nice job parking your vote on him in the meantime

 

 

My response to Tommy wasn't meant to be harsh. It's better for everyone to read and make their own opinions.

 

Tommy: as for TG, his explanation about the difference between the town claim felt off to me. I know he's explained it, but I don't know for gut reasons still feels off to me. What do you think about the fact that Darthe's train depleted rather quickly and TG's gained just as fast?

Bold: It's pretty obvious he was trying to pull actual thoughts from you, not have you summarize the game for him so he didn't have to read. He had already started going through everything previous BEFORE you told him to read it himself.

 

Underlined: That is a good point for you however, and makes me feel slightly better about you.

 

---

 

Lenlo has shot up high on my scumdar. Repeating what others say without actually knowing if it's true or not or even applicable in the circumstances he's brought it up. Parks his vote on TG for awful reasoning (deleting a post even tho it wasn't deleted) and says he is going back to joking.

 

Tommy hard defending Darthe is extremely troubling to me, especially the way he tries getting Darthe to respond in a way that makes him look more townie.

 

AJ waffling about Darthe while still unvoting him, then finding a sketchy reason to switch to the other train that was starting to build fast looks megascummy to me. If Darthe is town, AJ is almost certainly scum for jumping off the Darthe lynch as it dissipated while still leaving an fos on him to potentially return to later.

 

Feeling slightly better about Kaylee and Mish. Still need more from Kaylee (and not sideline snipe posts, actual #work), and some slightly less emotional responses from Mish to make sure she's not hiding behind AtE.

 

WTL Darthe, Lenlo, or AJ atm. Darthe still looks awful for me for ignoring my points against him.

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

Is the scum strategy in this game to make jokes 

No thats just me.

 

 

Yeah, you're twice as lazy as Darthe.

 

And loving it.

 

 

 

Hey Lenlo I'm a civil engineer what kind are you

Electrical Engineer.

 

 

Want more from Hallia, Dap, some seriousness from Len-

Seriousness is overrated, but ill try just for you.

 

Real srs bsns post to come soon. Need to do some readin.

 

 

1) Nice.  Can you make me a coilgun?  I've always wanted one.

 

 

 

2) Damn.  I was hoping you were town.

 

1) I can sure well try.

2) So was I. Being mafia all the time gets boring.

 

Peace, Turin, Mish, Wombat, Amega, BFG lock town.

 

Des, Len, one of TG/AJ lock scum.

 

The rest of you need to step your game up.  

 

You may as well go ahead and bookmark this post for endgame.  

Bookmarked. Waiting to watch it flip incorrect on atleast 2 or 3 cases.