MAFIA - **STARGATE SG1** - GAME OVER - TOWN WINS

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

unvote vote dice

[Niniel]

 

i think most likely scenario is that the tigger was immobilized cause we haven't been making any great plays this game so why would we start now.

Haha, gotta love a cynics logic. 

 

 

+1

 

No, Cindy, I just forgot who failed the dog thing yesterday.

[Niniel]

unvote vote dice

 

Because he was injured or something else?

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

 

unvote vote dice

 

 

Because he was injured or something else?

because he's been slinking alone quiet all game, because he claims not to have realized his injury prevented NAs, because we had no deaths last night for the first time when you four happen to have been out of commission.

 

i think hally is town, weve covered why

 

i think theres as good a chance any or all of the remaining three, you, len, or dice is scum.

 

we will not come to agreement on len and we dont need to waste a day arguing about it.

 

that leaves you or dice, and i pick dice bc i think he's playing his invisible shark scum play.

[Darthe]

 

Lastly, the nature of these descriptions still indicates to me that they are looking at different things, much like the rest of us.  I really had hopes that Laya would view Turin or the like last night and say "yes this person had a symbiote".  It does not have to indicate that the person is town or not, meaning that he could be a nontraditional cop.  That fits with the investigative PR theme  idea.  

 

 

 

Why would I view Turin when he himself admitted he has a symbiote? If he doesn't have a symbiote, what would be the point of lying and admitting that he has a symbiote? It would have been a waste of view.

 

 

Why would you not?  Turin has been viewed by another person as town already and we need to confirm if your role views TOWNIES VS NOT or otherwise.  It could save the lives of two PR's.

 

 

I am concerned that we may not have many more opportunities.  We could still mislynch today thanks to no NK but tomorrow... We are going to have issues.

 

Len or Laya, those are the big reward targets.  Between the two Laya's story is ridiculous in its own way and a lot of his play hasn't made sense.  What concerns me most is that newbies in the position of a real cop that can't convince town he is real should be pretty frustrated by this point and I haven't seen that from him.

 

Len on the other hand.. Most of what he has going for him is the fact that Laya's tale doesn't fit rather than his own play.  Clean vs not clean is not a point against him imo, too wild and risky for traditional mafia plays, but it is also a hard pill to swallow on top of everything else he has done (or failed to do).  Idk, he has a claim that strikes me as "so strange that it can't be fake" but that mentality leads to WIFOM and WIFOM is the path to the dark side.

 

I also think that considering that Laya claimed a viewing on you its pretty scummy looking how biased you are toward believing him.  Not illogical, but of course it wouldn't be.  I see Laya as a two-fer if we nail scum with his flip.

 

Lastly, the nature of these descriptions still indicates to me that they are looking at different things, much like the rest of us.  I really had hopes that Laya would view Turin or the like last night and say "yes this person had a symbiote".  It does not have to indicate that the person is town or not, meaning that he could be a nontraditional cop.  That fits with the investigative PR theme  idea.  

 

 

TL;DR, I am effing confused and frustrated by this game.  I don't think I would lynch either of them until we could get a bit more breathing room or have no choice.  

 

Also, alternative explanation to the lack of NK: We have a doc.

 

The doc has to know that mafia is going to be targeting one of four people.  Same for SK.  If Doc is protecting one each night then its plausible that with so limited a pool they could really have managed to stave off this many kills.  

 

Considering how close we are to losing this I am asking for a doc reveal.  Just to limit the player pool a bit.  We can discuss this first etc but it makes the most sense to me at this point.

 

This post is gross.  I could lynch this guy too.  

 

1.  Plays confused townie.  Haven't seen him play this card when town.

2.  Throwing out crazy theory about Doc "stave off this many kills".  Rolefish much?  We had three night kills on Night 2 and zero last night.  So did the Doc miraculously save three last night? 

 

 

1) I admit when I have difficulties.  

2) We had 1 on N1 and N2 was clearly a rare event as shown by our 1x vig adding in extra flavor.  An SK+Scum kill =2, thus this hypothesis makes perfect sense.  The likelihood of two people targeting the same individual in a game has already been established multiple times.  Wanna try that again?

 

 

Considering how close we are to losing this I am asking for a doc reveal.  Just to limit the player pool a bit.  We can discuss this first etc but it makes the most sense to me at this point.

 

Now this is outright scummy. The theory by Csarmi about Darthe janitoring Wombat and claiming his role is seeming more likely now.

 

 

orly?  Outright scummy to want to narrow our lynch pool oh what is likely the day before lylo or lylo already?  We can't trust any Lylo claim without it WIFOMing itself all to hell, thus this makes the best sense.  The likelihood of scum knowing who the doc is is pretty high at this point simply based on the number of failed kills present in the game.  Town seems friggin clueless.  Whoever the doc protected that was targeted by mafia ISN'T MAFIA.  That doc is a goldmine of info if I had to guess.  I could be wrong, but I doubt it.  

 

i think it would be the smartest best, best odds, to lynch from those who were tied up last night.

 

i'm not sure what you mean, darthe, by my being biased to believe prayberf, if that was at me.

 

i really don't believe either his or len's claim. i think i made that pretty clear so maybe i've misunderstood your post.

 

i still think hally is town, and between the other 3 who couldn't sct last night, i don't see much of a dif.

 

if we can't agree on len, what do you think about dice or tina?

 

I think I misunderstood yours.  You looked like you were choosing one over the other two me and I didn't get why.

 

 

if we can't agree on len, what do you think about dice or tina?

If were not doing Pral I would be fine with Dice or Tina. Would prefer Dice though as he was one of those silenced and everything the night before and still claims to have missed that post by Talya.

 

 

Why Dice and Tina?  Why Dice over Tina?  

 

tina, you and dice both read the posts well enough to know you were silenced but not well enough to know you were all immobilized?

 

that's a bit odd.

 

and darthe... i don't think i've ever seen you not scumhunt this hard, either. where's the D1 post nailing scum? or d2-3?

 

or you, dap... no cases? no defense after the hard offense?

 

 

and prayberf... that was my theory first, though i threw it out as mad conspiracy talk and len agreed it was area 51 level.

 

still, mad or not, it's mine.

 

This one is rough.  Early game was so soft and then we got very little info.  We get a single teammate and I think this team is going to be interconnected enough to fish the rest out.  It's another reason I want mafia today, not SK.

[Darthe]

 

 

unvote vote dice

 

Because he was injured or something else?

because he's been slinking alone quiet all game, because he claims not to have realized his injury prevented NAs, because we had no deaths last night for the first time when you four happen to have been out of commission.

 

i think hally is town, weve covered why

 

i think theres as good a chance any or all of the remaining three, you, len, or dice is scum.

 

we will not come to agreement on len and we dont need to waste a day arguing about it.

 

that leaves you or dice, and i pick dice bc i think he's playing his invisible shark scum play.

 

 

Good logic.  Anyone got time to case him?  I can tonight, shouldn't be too much info.  Just a lot of page digging.

[Darthe]

5. Darthe

1. Cindy

12. Hally

4. csarmi

6. Berfs Pral 2 (from night 2)

11. Lenlo

9. Tina

2. Turin

17. Des

13. Dice

15. NotBob

8. Dap

 

 

 

Town to mafia list.  From everyone.  Include yourself.  Nobody goes on the same line, nobody skips anyone except for the dead.  Do it in your next post.  Prepare to give reasoning for anything unusual.  Explain your bottom three and top three.

 

For instance, I have Dap at the bottom.  His claim and the actions he states that he made in game don't match.  I am choosing to not lynch him atm because I want mafia.  Notbob pings me a lot for never doing anything to help anyone except himself.  Dice, Des, and Turin are all very similar in my mind so I organized them by in game effort.  

 

Top three, I know my role PM, Cindy is double confirmed, Hally has the only really unshakable claim in the game (would require major mafia trickery to accomplish).

[Pralaya]

 

 

Lastly, the nature of these descriptions still indicates to me that they are looking at different things, much like the rest of us.  I really had hopes that Laya would view Turin or the like last night and say "yes this person had a symbiote".  It does not have to indicate that the person is town or not, meaning that he could be a nontraditional cop.  That fits with the investigative PR theme  idea.  

 

 

 

Why would I view Turin when he himself admitted he has a symbiote? If he doesn't have a symbiote, what would be the point of lying and admitting that he has a symbiote? It would have been a waste of view.

 

 

Why would you not?  Turin has been viewed by another person as town already and we need to confirm if your role views TOWNIES VS NOT or otherwise.  It could save the lives of two PR's.

 

Why did you think I tried to view Csarmi? Between Csarmi and Turin, Turin had confirmed himself that he had a symbiote. The view result of csarmi would give us more light on what the situation is. If Lenlo was lying or if csarmi was etc

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

ok, this is more fun than reading hysterical memos.

 

Cindy

 

Hally

 

 

darthe

csarmi

Turin

NotBob

 

 

prayberf

des

len

tina

dice

 

Dap

 

 

i trust myself, that's it. i don't think anyone has been confirmed (and for the rest of you, i haven't been confirmed unless you believe either or both reveals and... yeah)

 

i think hally is probably what she says

 

the next group i'm about evenly meh on. darthe, we've discussed it, csarmi is off the wall even for him and that claim oy, turin i noticed from almost the first post suggesting something jokingly that... eh, it makes me wary of running him up but it also pings. posts very careful, tends to pant a vote and come back at or after the last minute. not bob being his normal PITA, mostly stirring up stuff, provocation, but that's not unusual from what i've seen. it's not helpful tho.

 

next group i'm leaning scum pretty strongly, i've covered why before.

 

and dap who i'll isn't as much a priority but just made me realize if he's got kill protection he can't be the only one and that could be another reason for failed kills. maybe for failed reads.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

*dap who i'll agree isn't....

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Lastly, the nature of these descriptions still indicates to me that they are looking at different things, much like the rest of us.  I really had hopes that Laya would view Turin or the like last night and say "yes this person had a symbiote".  It does not have to indicate that the person is town or not, meaning that he could be a nontraditional cop.  That fits with the investigative PR theme  idea.  

 

 

 

Why would I view Turin when he himself admitted he has a symbiote? If he doesn't have a symbiote, what would be the point of lying and admitting that he has a symbiote? It would have been a waste of view.

 

 

Why would you not?  Turin has been viewed by another person as town already and we need to confirm if your role views TOWNIES VS NOT or otherwise.  It could save the lives of two PR's.

 

Why did you think I tried to view Csarmi? Between Csarmi and Turin, Turin had confirmed himself that he had a symbiote. The view result of csarmi would give us more light on what the situation is. If Lenlo was lying or if csarmi was etc

 

 

I didn't think you tried to view Csarmi?  And I said "Turin or the like" because he was an example, the only symboite claim I remembered off the top of my head.

 

Think dude, if that's what you check for then you aren't actually a cop.  You're a symbiote checker.  Its still a cop-like role but its different.  Then if we can confirm that Turin is town through any other means we can both solve the dilemma of your role vs lens and we can clear you both.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

iirc he said his role pm said cop and so did len. i'll have to look for the post later, i'm not completely sure prayberf directly answered that but len did.

 

rte said his role pm didn't give him a name for his role. could be a mix up at the pm factory, but... someone says role pm says cop, and it appears that's not even what the role they describe does... this is an issue.

[Pralaya]

No, my role doesn't say cop nor it has any name. The role PM just describes the function, which is to detect symbiotes.

[Pralaya]

I didn't think you tried to view Csarmi?  And I said "Turin or the like" because he was an example, the only symboite claim I remembered off the top of my head.

 

Think dude, if that's what you check for then you aren't actually a cop.  You're a symbiote checker.  Its still a cop-like role but its different.  Then if we can confirm that Turin is town through any other means we can both solve the dilemma of your role vs lens and we can clear you both.

 

 

It would be pointless for Turin to lie about symbiotes at that point of time. Say Turin has symbiote, which he claims. And, I find the same information that we had yesterday.  How would that solve anything? We would be back to square one. By confirming Len's other town candidate - Csarmi - would give more information if Csarmi or if Len is lying. 

 

Any other means? What means?

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

a gunsmith might work

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

i could see a symbiote checker working with a gunsmith tho i'd be more confident in that role if its name wasn't specified but moving on...

 

again back to the check for clean unclean, which only came after prayberf alleged his responses came in the form of symbiote or none.

 

doesn't it seem more likely that the clean unclean thing was made up to be a form of symbiote no symbiote by someone who knows fudge all about the theme than that it's either a completely redundant role or that it checks something that has no parallel in the SG1 universe?

 

aaaaand here we are with the pray vs len argument which i'll happily try to end by lynching len but which i think is gonna spin out over the next day and a half until we end up running up someone who's gonna claim something that stops us getting a lynch (whatever wombat was, he's a safe claim now) and there we are back at square zero.

 

dice, tina, anyone else we can get any consensus on?

[Niniel]

 

5. Darthe

1. Cindy

12. Hally

4. csarmi

6. Berfs Pral 2 (from night 2)

11. Lenlo

9. Tina

2. Turin

17. Des

13. Dice

15. NotBob

8. Dap

 

 

 

Town to mafia list.  From everyone.  Include yourself.  Nobody goes on the same line, nobody skips anyone except for the dead.  Do it in your next post.  Prepare to give reasoning for anything unusual.  Explain your bottom three and top three.

 

For instance, I have Dap at the bottom.  His claim and the actions he states that he made in game don't match.  I am choosing to not lynch him atm because I want mafia.  Notbob pings me a lot for never doing anything to help anyone except himself.  Dice, Des, and Turin are all very similar in my mind so I organized them by in game effort.  

 

Top three, I know my role PM, Cindy is double confirmed, Hally has the only really unshakable claim in the game (would require major mafia trickery to accomplish).

 

 

Sorry, too tired to do a list now. Will go to bed. I have no clue where to put Dice, NotBob or Des. I will try to check them out and post more tomorrow morning. 

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

there's way too many ppl sliding by way too quiet.

 

that's no accident.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

has anyone done this yet?

 

Talya 91

Pralaya 72

ReleaseTheEvil 67

Lenlo 66

TinaHel 54

Hallia 49

Despothera 45

ineedfourberfs 43

Niel an' Tyomn 31

Locke 26

Turin Turambar 25

Basel Gill 22

dicetosser1 21

 

 

the italicized are no longer with us.

 

dice, turin, des, what up?

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

also... i post too much.

 

carry on.

[Darthe]

@Cindy, if someone claimed cop and I was going to fake claim it I would want my claim to match theirs. Len choosing something abnormal and doing so after another player claimed something else strikes as a more honest approach.

 

Why did you not inclue some on that post count?

 

Almost everyone else who has claimed a role was given a name with it so your argument there is illogical and bordering on willfilly ignoring factual evidence.

 

Lastly, inactive hunting is not the towns job. I've seen scum pull this in early or late game almost eb rry single game for the last year. Just like in a work environment taking care of people who aren't working isn't the job of co-workers, its ths job of the boss. If Talya hasn't replaced Dice or Turin then its for a reason and is not our concern. If a case can be built on him then we will determine what to do but I am tired of inactive policy lynching. It hurts the game.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

re the post counts, i started wi the mod and copied everything lower than hers.

 

i tried to copy the whole list but the ipad would not allow it.

 

re lens claim i think he figured it did make sense. i think he figured symbiote no symbiote was synonymous with clean not clean and went for a straight up counter to the counter. you figure it makes sense. it doesnt make sense in terms of the show tho. and the mod knows the show pretty well i suss.

 

r pe everyone who has claimed saying they got names for their roles... did you miss the part where prayberf says he didnt? or do you feel that adds to his scumminess? thats not sarcastic, im asking.

 

hallys statement that shes a tracker i dont recall if she ever did specifically say thats what her pm said or if she was simply insistent that thats what her role is. ill have to reread later.

 

i asked ppl to go back and reread their own role pms.

 

its possible that not everyone who has claimed is what they claim to be. its possible some are wary of saying what their role pm says or doesnt say about their roles tho they might want to check with the mod whether providing this particular bit of info violates the rules.

 

and most ppl havent claimed at all. so we dont know what their role pms may or may not say.

 

and several town prs got killed without claiming.

 

we can keep arguing about this if you want, or ppl can just figure out what they think of that on their own.

 

and we might consider getting a lynch done tho looking back on it random may have been the better deal.

 

im not calling for an inactive policy lynch, im asking ppl to contribute to the game. ive seen you do the same. youre playing differently here.

[Darthe]

Lynching the lowest poster is differebt from getting aggrevated with them.

[dicetosser1]

Dice  Im the most confirmed cause i have my pm. 

 Hally  town

Des town

.Darthe leaning town  not fully convinced  am iffy because of calling the doc out and a lack 

. 

meh mob

 

csarmi

 Turin

des

NotBob

 

just dont have a read on those people above

.Darthe leaning town  not fully convinced  am iffy because of calling the doc out and a lack of result last night. need to check who was in hospital. Was he the fourth?

I dont trust dap largely cause of my role but I suppose it is possible

i also dont particularly trust Cindy. partly cause i dont trust pral partly cause she feels off at times. not sure what way to go there

 

The ones I dont trust

 Pral   am now believing his claim less and less dont like his play

 Lenlo  depends on Pral really im not believing 2 cops

Tina  extremely quiet  last time i saw her like this she was GF

 

and cause i know ure gonna ask  im x shot bulletproof 

[dicetosser1]

and cindy im almost always one of the lowest posters.  town or mafia. has to do with timezones.  the exception to that was when i was the Oracle but thats cause i had a lot of info to share