Ten days after Samhain, 1057: Night 5 (CONCLUDED)

[hazelkrs1]

Once again, I don't think there's anything wrong with taking a novel approach to this game which will OBVIOUSLY be played a bit different than most games. They're obviously connected thematically, and in other ways, so I see nothing wrong with basically playing them collectively until each starts to take on it's own identity.

[bgrishinko]

Okay, I'm just saying that if you want to wade into the WIFOM pool, then go ahead. I won't deny it isn't fun. But I'm attempting to make sure my opinions and votes in each thread are actually based on something somebody did in that actual thread. Now I have to re-read and attempt to avoid the meta and see what happens. Difficult task.

[Yates]

What Yates and Nol posted about the Gambler's Fallacy is only true if we can draw no valuable conclusions from cross-meta. I would argue that you very much can, which imposes a correlation between the games which we can take advantage of to increase our odds of hitting scum.

I don't disagree with you regarding valuable conclusions - which is why Salami is the pony in this race. My gambler's fallacy post - again - was in response to Peace's assertion that Salami flipping scum in one thread makes him somehow LESS LIKELY to flip scum in another thread. As a statistics guy, you can appreciate where her logic fails in that argument. I was pointing it out.

[Mr. Ree]

Crap, wasn't aware this would take off so quick. Back after work to read/post. 4 hours.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay, I'm just saying that if you want to wade into the WIFOM pool, then go ahead. I won't deny it isn't fun. But I'm attempting to make sure my opinions and votes in each thread are actually based on something somebody did in that actual thread. Now I have to re-read and attempt to avoid the meta and see what happens. Difficult task.

 

I'm not saying I won't also individually look for scumtells and questionable behavior in each, quite the opposite in fact. But you can't treat it like each game is being played in a vacuum.

[Yates]

2) Lynching someone three times to test whether he's scum in at least one of them is as silly as trying a witch by keeping her underwater: if she doesn't survive, she wasn't a witch afterall.

[michellem]

I agree with BG here (and I think Tina said it too). We gotta treat these as 3 individual games as far as we can. The only difference is that we can talk about what's going on in the other threads. At least at this point, I think it's important to tune the threads from each other.

 

I have a town read on BG, Des and Tina right now. Feeling iffy about Ishy ( you though ), Yates I find hard to read, Csarmi I'm leaning town.

[hazelkrs1]

Mish, why do you think we should treat them completely as individual games? Don't you think that kind of defeats the point of having 3 interconnected games being run at once?

[Yates]

I'm not saying I won't also individually look for scumtells and questionable behavior in each, quite the opposite in fact. But you can't treat it like each game is being played in a vacuum.

Exactly. Playing a single gambit across all three games on Day 1 does not preclude you from scum hunting by other means. What it DOES do is give us a baseline for following days and creates natural tells.

[Yates]

Anybody in here?

[dapianoplay3r]

 

I am playing the game. I'm watching for scummy behaviors. Also, your lynches will give us something to go on from each thread as to how people reacted in the different threads.

I know you are, Leelou. But how many non-voters do we have?BTW, how could someone believe that I'd dare do this play if I wasn't vanilla town (or something very close to that) in every thread is still beyond me. Cause that's the main reason I did this.

Quoted for the lols

I've already read and seem your flip in T2 so this was just funny

You breadcrumbed your claim in another thread

Lol

 

  

Vote Csarlami

 

 

Top picks for scum so far in this thread:

 

Csarlami

Serra

Cloud

 

 

And yes, at this point we should lynch Csarlami in all three threads. Don't stop after 1 scum flip, and don't hesitate if he flips town in 2. If you're going to commit to cross-meta strategy, you gotta go full throttle. Just saw that he apparently claimed a BPV in T2... looks like that could be the one he's trying to save his bacon in the most (the BPV grows stronger the longer yall leave me alive, just trust me yall), but then again that could be a gambit to save his skin in one of the others

This explains a little of the blind hammer t2 (still scummy though) but this thread I really like you and this post

 

  

 

 

Unvote.

scummy

Your face is scummy. I've already expressed my thoughts on your so-called tri-lynching plan. I won't be going along with it.

  

So Ishy is mafia in this thread

If you didn't want to go along with it you should of unvoted in the thread he actually claimed a PR and not in the thread he's claimed vanilla. Also I happen to think he's rather scummy this thread

So why does he deserve to live in this thread in particular

Or did you just pick this thread "randomly"?

 

Once again, I don't think there's anything wrong with taking a novel approach to this game which will OBVIOUSLY be played a bit different than most games. They're obviously connected thematically, and in other ways, so I see nothing wrong with basically playing them collectively until each starts to take on it's own identity.

To tell the truth this is rather similar how I play all games. The only difference is I'm actually allowed to post about the ongoing games and not get chastised for it. But really in all games I read up on past games and players metas

I have a problem

[michellem]

Mish, why do you think we should treat them completely as individual games? Don't you think that kind of defeats the point of having 3 interconnected games being run at once?

 

Because right now mostly everyone is treating it as one game in 3 different threads. Everyone has gotten a different role PM for each thread; they're different games. Yes I know it's csarmi's fault it ended up like this. Right now we have the same discussion about the same player in all the threads. I know they're interconnected, but I still think it's important to try and keep them apart and ignore the others a little when you're in one; because we gotta find mafia in all 3 and they're not gonna be all the same players in every one.

[dapianoplay3r]

Then we should start trying to give thread by thread reads. Use the evidence from other threads if you want but make thread specific FOS and stuff

[Nolder]

To expand on why I think Ishy is scummy (if it wasn't obvious), is that we have three threads of nearly 15 pages each with reaction to Csarmi and very little else.

Putting aside Csarmi actions we also need to consider that lynching him tells us the most about everyone. The fact that Csarmi is probably mafia in one of these games is just an added bonus. Csarmi and the situation he created is nearly what this entire game has revolved around with only a few deviations here and there. So many of you are always going on about "info" well here's your chance to get a buttload of it. Lynching Csarmi in all three threads will tell us the most about everyone. Lynching someone else on some kind of hunch that may or may not be right not only screws up what we had going with Csarmi but it also gives us far less information about everyone else.

[John E. Kelley]

  

 

 

Unvote.

scummy

Your face is scummy. I've already expressed my thoughts on your so-called tri-lynching plan. I won't be going along with it.

  

So Ishy is mafia in this thread

If you didn't want to go along with it you should of unvoted in the thread he actually claimed a PR and not in the thread he's claimed vanilla.

I did dumbass. Read before you throw allegations around, it's generally helpful.

[John E. Kelley]

At this point, I truly do hope that Salami really is lying, and is the Doc or something in one of the threads.

 

"Oh, we lynched the Doc on Day One. But look at all the INFO we gathered!!"

 

Morons.

[dapianoplay3r]

My apologies. I thought it was only the other thread you had done that unvote on

[Verbal32]

Verb are you in here?

I was in physical therapy for my knee at the time, but I'm around now. Wassup?

[Nolder]

It's ironic to me that you're dumbing down my argument and mocking it as "info" when in fact I outlined in my past why Csarmi is the best person to lynch for info.

That is, I defined the info we are getting and turned it from the buzzword most people have been using it as to it's actual meaning.

 

If we lynch anyone else what we basically will do is just compare them to the Csarmi train. We'll say oh Darthe was on the train and was town or Darthe was off the train and was town or was on/off and was scum now what does this mean concerning Csarmi? That is how it will go. On the other hand if we lynch Csarmi we're doing that but in reverse and we get reads on basically everyone. Don't you see that Ishy?

[Hallia]

I can see both sides of the coin for Csarmi's lynch.  You are right Nol, in that it has spawned lots and lots of opinions and information.  I don't know that we should kill him across the board though; it seems kinda harsh.

[Tiinker]

Then we should start trying to give thread by thread reads. Use the evidence from other threads if you want but make thread specific FOS and stuff

This should've been obvious to everyone from the start...

[Verbal32]

It is, he's wearing his Captain Obvious cape right now....

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count

 

Salami (9/12): Leelou, Cloud, Nol, Yates, Verb, Razen, Dap, Krak, Des

Verb (1/12): Crusher

Chuckles (1/12): Salami

 

Not Voting (12/23):

Chuckles, Mish, Hally, Lenlo, Peace, Tiink, Tina, Ree, Pral, Serra, BG, Ishy

 

 

2 Days, 16 hours remain

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20130720T13&p0=745&msg=Night

[Nolder]

I can see both sides of the coin for Csarmi's lynch.  You are right Nol, in that it has spawned lots and lots of opinions and information.  I don't know that we should kill him across the board though; it seems kinda harsh.

For someone who used to go nuts if you typo'd his name to being used to and embracing the nickname Salami, I think he can handle being lynched across the board when it is in fact town's best move.

[Hallia]

That is true.  Didn't Darthe call him Trogdor for a while in response?  I'm just tender hearted XD