BASE MAFIA - Mafia Wins!

[dapianoplay3r]

You make a pretty good case against Rand. He definitely is noncommittal and playing dodgy, but I also think he's acting in manner because he knows his moves might be getting over analyzed. Idk, I've never played with him so I'm not familiar with his meta but he does refer to past games a lot and how people seem to be quick to vote him. His actions definitely raise an eyebrow, but for me today I think I'll stick with Tiink. Rand can always be looked at again, especially if he refuses to take a stand and vote someone.

He once again agrees Rand is a good bet but he says off the vote, and AJ is not shy about voting. Odd no?

He also defends Rand a bit, and gives him an out. (Take a stand or vote and most if the heat is off right AJ?)

 

There is definitely a connection between Snow and Tink.  Tink coming across very scummy.  Snow's case on him then vote on Turin then defense of Tink has me sitting on the fence between buddying and defending.

 

Either way that would make Snow scum...not sure what that makes of Tink.  Yet. 

  

Look who linked Snow so hard that he was likely to be considered cleared

 

Either way that would make snow scum....

Explain that please

Yeah, that wasn't clear.

 

He could be either defending a scum partner or buddying up to a town player.  Both make him scum. 

This cements it. Snow had to go once Peace flipped mafia

 

I understand what you are saying Dap about having caution when it comes to lynching him. But with the evidence given, I think his play has been sketchy. The only real way to find out for sure is his coroner report. And if he flips town, well, we go back to the drawing board and start elsewhere. But I don't think that'll happen. Tiink is scum.

I'm simply active because I have been eager to start playing, plus I feel Tiink has made it easy for me. I'm not afraid to go after someone, I've got nothing to lose. You and I have talked about Mafia before, and I've done my fair share of studying

  look who is pushing dam hard to lynch a townie

Dap..Shat or get off the pot man.  If you aren't gonna vote Tink who you think has been scummy, then case someone else.  Otherwise your posts are just spam. I'm definitely noting your play here.

Then look who else joins it

UNVOTE  VOTE TINK

 

How you guys are letting Rand slide here is beyond me.  Tink and Snow are the next best choices.

 

Never did I think Rand was in any real danger this day. Yes he was scummy but always the second or third choice

Now that he could move his vote without looking scummy he does it

It feels like a gambit

 

 

Rand and Snow are other fish to fry. For now, Tiink is the best option. Is he flips town then we look at who has cased him the hardest, myself included. If not, then Snow's defense of him is telling.

Look who parrots Peace. Plus he seems to think Rand is scum yet he always brushed him aside. Even when the Tiink train was shaken he tried to push start it

I was much like Andre my first game.

A suitable prodigy then

Only time will tell. I've been waiting for someone to mention the fact that it could look like some big ploy for scum to lynch scum to earn some town cred. Good job there RTE. I'll accept your point that every game is different, and this being my first, I can't really comment on it.

Waiting for it? As a new player why would you be waiting for it unless it was something that you were a part of or something talked about on the QT. what did you all plan to do when this came up?

 

LZM mentioned Snow bread crumbing. Turin just talked about that. Interesting how you are trying to spin this that Turin is the one that did that

 

BTW..I still think Rand is scum. 

 

So VOTE RAND

 

Keeps the heat on the same person so not to randomly back down

 

He's definitely got some explaining to do. So does Chucky.

  

Starts shifting it to chunky first and Rand second

What do you guys think about LZM? Completely random or perhaps someone was feeling the heat?

 

Gauging reactions to the decision. Peace thinks its a bit obvious so nips it in the bud with....

 

my opinion is lurkers who aren't scum tend to die early.

  

Realises it that it doesn't quite stop questions so he adds more. He also seems to be highlighting AJs newbieness

Let me add more.  It was a smart and safe move by the scum team to kill LZM cause there were no interactions to derive information from.

 

This is one of the many reasons why it is anti-town to be a lurker.  Interactions and flips are the only way for town to scum hunt. 

Finish with a flourish and take a bow

 

AJ also has a town read on peace till he flips and starts pushing Turin pretty early on

 

 

 

Peace. That lynch train didn't look like it was derailing to me.

No..but some unvotes took place and those things tend to be contagious if ya know what I mean Vern.

 

AJ...in a seasoned player, I'd be giving you a long long look with the stink eye.  Just trying to sort out if you are eager newb (which happens a lot) or scum.

 

Once again peace is pushing he newb angle on AJ

 

 

I said earlier in the game I would be fine with throwing the D1 pass out the window. As far as teammates telling me to stay low, meh. If that were the case you'd think they would've told me long ago to shut up.

I don't think Peace would of told you that

 

  

 

Okay, so after yesterday's events... this is my take on the game.

Time - Her first post gave me a WTF moment. Page 2 and she checks in by saying she can't remember if she signed in or not? Probably nothing other than ill attention. Her vote was the hammer on Tiink, although that case was a bit better than her others where she basically just posted a wall of quotes. Either way, need more from her.

Hallia - Still waiting for her reply to my last question. Been hanging back some, mostly just repeats other's thoughts. Probably getting coached up as well. Not too sure...

Right. So this is what you said about the two "newest" players besides yourself.

When you speak of Time you make no mention of coaching in this post.

Then you mention Hally. We know she is getting coached, she has a mentor, but you finish your sentence with as well (bold).

Seems like you are suggesting someone else is getting coached. Now who could that be?

  

Once again look at this. He slips and says more than just Hally is getting coached

 

You're looking too closely at my words Dap. Anyone could be getting coached in reference of players in the QT. We all come from varying degrees of experience levels.

Now, as to what I said I meant it strictly in terms of her game play. I already said her play reminds me of Kaylee. The fact that she has a mentor is known to everyone, so no secret there. I said she is hanging back, which makes me think she is waiting for advice before posting.

 

He tells me I'm looking too closely at his words in a mafia game. It was a slip I stand by it

 

 

Also, I still don't know what you meant with the WOT thing with me and Peace?

I'm going to stop it here, I think I've proved there is a WoT between you two.

 

Ishy gets subbed in here I think

[Andrej]

I'm aware of what happens when no majority is reached, however not necessarily how Darthe does it. Like I already explained, when you posted this I took it as you accusing RTE as wanting the cop dead.

 

Interesting indeed though. But, I stand by what I said.

 

That's two. Anyone else?

[Andrej]

Dap I'm not even going to bother responding to any of that. If you so truly believe that I'm mafia, then vote already.

 

You'll find my alignment soon enough.

[dapianoplay3r]

TG how come you looked at Hally? You had me and AJ as your scum team for a long time. Seems a strange change

 

Also all of AJs going for Rand pretty much vanished after about the time Rand would of been asking to be replaced. I can't prove it but it looks like the time fits

 

 

lol..I meant to just UNVOTE RAND.

 

 

not revote him.

Actually the Mod removed your vote for you. Why would you need to remove it yourself. I think he wanted to look like he was still against Rand

Also, Rand should just go ahead and get modkilled Anyone who comes along and actually looks at Rand has done will have a deep hole to dig themselves out of lol

Right pretty solid there. Rand is mafia according to AJ. Watch how he changes

And now that Rand has a replacement.  UNVOTE.  VOTE ISHY.

He made his bed and now has to lie in it

Dap you do seem to be looking for the smallest things to case people on.

 

Our little rout the other day for perfect example, didn't quite cast me in the scummy light I think you were hoping for. Tbh though, I really don't know who I want to vote right now. I'm pretty mixed up.

 

I want to see Ishy's take on the game thus far, Rand certainly started him off with a handicap.

 

I was right about Peace. Also AJ defends peace. He Tries to derail the train

 

Lol well I can't hold that against you.

 

Anyway, still unsure about the Peace thing. I need to look back on it... but I'm holding my vote for now. TG came back pretty nicely, but  it reaffirmed my thoughts on him. Either town who thinks I'm scum (more likely) or mafia. Mish needs to poke in... I didn't like her simple answer about Turin when I asked why she thought he was town. I agree with her, somewhat, but her 'gut feeling' was an easy way out IMO.

See more derailing. He also stays away from Ishy

 

You're all crazy. Tiink was completely correct in his assesment and you lynched him for it.

I'm all caught up and the Day One pass is gone. Welcome to Mafia.Vote Andrejivski

Just some distancing. No real threat to AJ IMO

I haven't voted him because I want competing trains, more suspects equals more info at deadline and into tomorrow.

 

And I'm just sticking up for her cuz she's purty.

Ishy avoids the Peace train. He goes after AJ instead, tbh it wasn't really a competing train

Peace is really only going for Ishy, not the other way around. Ishy is voting me, like you were previously. He made a comment about him, yes, but I think he was just trying to discredit my post by say I was defending Peace who is "one of the scummiest players"

Look who sets up for Peace flipping mafia and thereby clearing Ishy

 

Geez shiz is getting crazy right now. Are you hoping to land two townie kills at once Turin? You certainly are a devious one.

You knew RTE was town

 

Seriously? A DL on the weekend? /headdeskGlad to see that Turin is vetted now, but more importantly that our one shot wasn't wasted. Well done sir.Looking at that final VC, it should be noted who kept their votes on Turin. The final two scum members perhaps? Although it should still be remembered how hard Andrejvkov was defending Peace yesterday. Don't trust John Snow at all either, he knows nothing.

 

Right so Ishy makes it pretty clear he wants to go after AJ next

Day breaks and watch how Ishy stays away from the AJ vote just like AJ is staying away from the Ishy vote yet saying he is scummy the whole time

 

Well, interesting. I had a thought that Snow was the cop... I don't think I was the only one in that logic. Funny Turin, I think you sort of directed a NK from the mafia team. Desperation at it's finest. Anyway, in light of what happened yesterday I must say that I think I have likely been completely wrong on just about everything this game. I don't know why, but I just didn't recognize the things some of you were seeing in Peace. He almost had me at DL too with his mention that the Vig was a NA only role, seeing as how it wasn't specified until after. For now, I think my vote will go to one of the lurkers. Someone who hasn't contributed much in this game and I think was forced to vote yesterday since he showed up at DL. Even then, he seemed noncommittal until after the reveal. Also, with Peace's flip... I'd like to bring up this beauty. 

Yo

 

wazz up peace ;)

 Turin already pointed this out when he did all his casing back in D1, but I didn't think much of it back then. Could still be nothing, but I know he was around when Turin mentioned Snow being the cop yesterday to RTE when he swapped his vote back. The fact that Snow is now dead seemed like the scum team got hopeful, not surprised. vote chuckles

  

I talk about this in one of my previous posts but note how he has a flimsy flimsy case on Chuckles. Yet he has been calling him out all game, whilst Rand/Ishy he seemed to have a lot more substance and he steers clear of that

 

 

 

I must say that I disagree with quite a bit of your takes. Obviously the most wrong being that you have me as mafia. I was second on Tiink's train after I had a chance to actually interact with him and hear that what he was saying did not make sense to me. Then I pushed for his lynch so there is no way that my actions were not noticed. I put out the case and  people agreed that he was the best lynch. But welcome to the game. My opinions in Blue.. My vote for mafia: Peace, RTE, Ishysuspect: chuckles, Snow, Hallianot sure: Time,Town lean: AJ, Dap, MishTown read: Turin

'Welcome to the game'? Great snarky comment meant to discredit my entire post. And then you have Peace and Rand/Ishy as the mafia team? Peace and Ishy? Peace who has been going after Rand all game, and Ishy who calls Peace the scumminest player in the game? That is your mafia team? Either you have never played mafia before and think that in small, basic games mafia try to get their teammates lynched, or you just slipped up and outed yourself. I'm now completely convinced you are mafia.unvote, vote Turin the Terrible[b/]

 Blatant defending of Peace, and an attempt to deny any knowledge of the concept of gambits and/or bussing. Ping.  

Official Vote Count (Should be accurate) Turin(2/6): TG, WoTRTE(6/6): Turin, Hally, AJ, RTE, chuckles, SnowNote Voting:(3/11)Dap, Ishy, Mish

 Refusal to vote Peace and overt attack on Turin, who events have proven to be Town. Together, these are enough for me. Vote TG.

Look how after the day comes around he moves away from AJ and goes after TG

 

   

 

 

 

That is a good case; especially since it seems like he's protecting Peace while trying to push the heat onto Turin. I think he and AJ might be the last two mafia members. It makes even more sense with how AJ tried to descredit my ponderings about him and TG.

 As to the bolded, I can't decide whether AJ is scum, or just really, really excited to be playing in his first game. I'm leaning more towards Time for her refusal to vote Peace and stay on Turin. Add that to her lurky play and she doesn't really pass the smell test, at least to me. Also, look back at the night kill. The fact that scum wouldn't NK a vetted Townie, and instead kill someone who was already catching a lot of heat and was already a prime lynch candidate seems to point to a newbie Mafia team. I don't know whether or not Darthe or Len would allow Peace to continue posting in the QT or not, but no way would a veteran scum member choose Snow as the NK. Were I scum, he would definitely not have been my choice, better to let Town lynch him and keep my hands clean. So that being said, look to some of the newer players for the remaining Mafia. I like TG and Time right now as the last two

AJ isn't even on his list anymore. He takes over Peaces role as pushing the newb card. Also it's very likely Peace is still on the QT especially if it were a new team so that's BS Ishy. Lastly snow wasnt the first choice but it wasnt a dumb choice so I dislike how you are pushing that its a mistake rather than trying to figure out why Snow rather than Turin.

I agree with this. Like I stated earlier, they goofed by targeting Snow instead of the only vetted town member. I'm thinking it's TG with either Chucky or Time as the other member, both have been lurky. Not to mention it was commented that Snow was the cop before the RTE lynching. I think they got hopeful when they went for him that they'd knock off another PR since the vig had already been revealed.

 Now see, that right there is the kind of thing that keeps me from completely discrediting the whole "AJ as scum" idea. Was this a Freudian slip, letting us know what you were thinking last night as you sent in your NA? Because your knowledge of the only credible reason that a scum team might want to NK Snow is telling. Keeping my eye on you sir.

AJ then does some buddying. Ishy quickly starts distancing again.

  

Also, looking back I noticed Peace commented several times about my aggressive play. I'm sure he made the decision to keep me alive because he figured I would catch heat later in the game for it. Sorta like I am now.

Or he coached you that way. Told you to keep it up, good job son, and all that

 

Posting for size. Almost done now

[dapianoplay3r]

Turns out we are pretty much done

 

Here's the post that freaked Ishy out he asked for a case

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/79409-base-mafia-day-3/?p=2798862

 

I admit the stuff on Ishy is mainly circumstantial but if the shoe fits... Also I think his newb team mate is the one that really caused his downfall. Still he has managed to climb out if Rands hole a bit

 

Now for the catch up what happened while I was writing this

Also Dap, you're being rather short sighted. How is that you think I'm suddenly teammates with Ishy when before he replaced Rand I was going hard at Rand for his lack of play? Open your eyes man. That, or are you just offended that some people think your NK was a bad one?

I've explained it all here. Your case on Rand has always been your second or third choice though. You never manage to get that train going because there is always someone more scummy it seems. Mafia do that, they like to FOS they buddies so they don't look like they are too closely linked /lesson

 

 

AJ, can you show me where I stated I thought Snow was the cop? I just looked back at the last 15 pages and I don't see it. Also on the Rand thing, Peace was after him and Rand did come back slightly with a defense stting it was deflection on Peace's part. also Ishy had claimed Peace as the scummiest player in the game. If my thought was correct and Peace picking Rand was a try for a bus then it would be even more beneficial if BOTH the remaining mafiosos were pushing that lynch cause they would NEVER do that

 

Was this stating that you think that Peace and I were Mafia attempting to distance/bus each other? Just wanting to make sure where everyones thoughts are right now.

 

Yes that's exactly what I think happened between you two and peace and Rand

 

 

AJ could be interpreted either of two ways, as I said before. On the one hand, yes, he looks extremely scummy by our standards. But as this is his first game, I'm unsure whether it's fair to judge him by our standards. He could easily be just an excited, overeager first time player. On the other, he's scum. Either is equally valid. But even assuming that he's the latter, it's also part of our jobs as vets to break him in the hard way if it becomes necessary to do so. It's a win-win either way, as in one scenario, we nab scum, and in the other, we teach him how to improve his already impressive playstyle.

 

So I guess what I'm saying is that yes, he looks scummy regardless, and I'd have no problem whatsoever lynching him if that's the prevailing wish. I still feel much more certain of TG and, to a lesser extent, Time. The only thing that I can say for certain at this point is that I trust Turin and no one else very much.

Look who is scared to take a stand on AJ. Pushes his Newbness, and is just down right non committal

Just to be careful, I'll Unvote.

Delayed unvote from a Cop claim (be it a lousy claim but it was still obvious)

 

Still losing sleep waiting on Dap......

Deal with it

  

Also, TG... sigh.

 

Right now you guys are just spinning in circles and creating more WIFOM for the mafia team to hide behind. Them killing Snow was a rookie mistake, call me scummy for saying so but I genuinely believe that. Time and Lolly have been hanging back all game and just letting us all poke at each other. Luckily, we fished out Peace. We now have 3 confirmed townies. That leaves 6 other players, 4 town and 2 scum.

 

And Dap dude, if you're gonna dig that deep for some trash on me just man up and throw down your vote already. If my train gets enough speed I'll hammer my damn self so you guys can all feel very stupid when I flip as a good guy.

I like to work things out logically. You know that from day 1

Lastly. Hammering yourself. peace always loves to suggest that in games.....

 

Dap I'm not even going to bother responding to any of that. If you so truly believe that I'm mafia, then vote already.

 

You'll find my alignment soon enough.

Either you have no defence or you suddenly seem to of lost your town aggressiveness. This is what mafia is. If you can't defend yourself you hurt the town

Man up and do what you have been promising all game. Someone has brought an attack on you so now actually defend. Or were all those post about being treated like everyone else just something Peace told you to say to keep looking town?

 

Vote AJ

[Tyler Glembo]

@Dap - I chose Hally based on two things.

A) given how things have gone so far and the WIFOM surrounding you two (plus Ishy), it seemed likely that the next few lynches would include Ishy, AJ, and you. Maybe not all three, but at least a few and I'm assuming we will hit scum at some point amongst you three which will give us plenty of info. I didn't want to waste my shot on someone with tons of WIFOM who is likely to be lynched anyways.

 

B) Hally's voting pattern in the last two days seemed like a lurking scum. She popped up suddenly when her name was mentioned, made some votes that followed a lurking scum pattern, and yet was completely under the radar.

[dapianoplay3r]

She does that often

I really hate your reveal. I'm gunna trust it for now though but know that I hate it, the only thing worse will be if Ishy or AJ tries to claim cop to get off the gallows

[John E. Kelley]

I won't be claiming cop because I'm not the cop. So no worries there big guy.

[Andrej]

Honestly Dap, I'm tired of defending myself. If you're gonna tunnel so hard on me then I'll just show you the truth, makes things a lot easier in the long run. Removes all the WIFOM storm that's being created and then hopefully you guys can finish off the scum team. You've brought up a lot of good points on things that I had no idea I was doing, tbh. So I guess I'll just taking it all as a learning experience. I still think this is the strategy of the mafia though, let the active players pick each other off while they hang back and just watch. But, if you want me lynched so bad then I'll give that to you so you can get your head back into the real game and find the remaining scum. I'll go ahead and vote myself now and then whoever can hammer.

 

vote AJ

[Lenlo]

Official Vote Count ()

AJ(4/5): Mish, Turin, Dap, AJ

TG(1/5): Hally

Note Voting:(3/9)
chuckles, TG, WoT

 

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

 

47 hours left

[lolguy26]

Ok I've caught up

 

Dap: you make an excellent case against AJ, but do you actually think a noob scum would be willing to selfvote (and is now at L1?)

[lolguy26]

Oh and mods is there a deadline?

[michellem]

Lenlo posted the deadline 15 minutes before you posted Chuckles...

[Lenlo]

I cheated. I edited it in.

[lolguy26]

So mish what do you think? You still maintain AJ is scum?

[Hallia]

I unvoted yesterday afternoon at 4:05 good sir mod ^_^ Page 54.

[Turin Turambar]

Has Time checked in today? I think he is mafia but want to hear from everyone before we hammer.

 

unvote

[michellem]

Time is still a she last time I checked.

 

Chuckles; his will to vote himself doesn't negate all the other things I dislike about his play. With that, he's managed to get one unvote already. People are always reluctant to vote someone who votes themselves. Peace would know this.

[michellem]

Oh sorry Turin, mistunderstood your sentence I think.

[lolguy26]

Oh I get it mish, but if a mafia vet. Did it I might doubt it but since we've already had the RTE incident (he selfvoted and got ninja hammered), it a really risky thing for mafia to do considering they've already lost a member

 

 

(What was the starting number of mafia? 3 )

[Turin Turambar]

No worries. Yes the he was AJ.

 

I didn't really like how he said he was tired of defending himself that sounds more like he just has no defense. And chuckles, if he is on a team his teammates could have given the self vote idea.

 

Still have two days nearly so I would prefer to give Time a chance to get in here with her thoughts and also to make sure there is no counter to TG's claim.

 

AJ, if you really are town self voting right now is not a town move. It would be more helpful to hear your suspicions and your reads. Then we can use the information gathered to keep looking for mafia.

[Hallia]

I agree with you there Turin.  If he is town, he is of much more use to us alive than sacrificing himself.

[Andrej]

Turin, I explained in my post that since I have pinged everyone's radar that by removing the doubt around me with my coroner report it will hopefully clear the muddied water. Do I want to stop playing? No. But some people seem hellbent on seeing me hanged, and with the information given from that hopefully it'll lead to the town eliminating the rest of the mafia. It's a team game concept, so sometimes sacrifices have to be made.

 

We're still ahead a bit since we already landed one mafioso, so given that I die today and another townie during the night that'll leave 7 players(5/2). We have 3 confirmed, unless Time comes in and CCs which I seriously doubt will happen. Looking at it from the perspective that I'm lynched, that'll leave us with 5 unconfirmed at least until after the NK. Dap, Mish, Ishy, Time and Chuckles.

 

I've made two cases recently that have seemed to be thrown out the window because people are starting to tunnel at this point. One, I brought up Mish. Seems to me now that she really wants me dead, but it is what it is. Then I mentioned chuckles, and don't really think I got much feedback from that. Since I seem to be the prime suspect, I say let's get it over with and let my alignment be shown for true. After that, the rest of the town can smoke out the mafia team.

 

Dap is dogging me pretty hard right now, and actually did formulate a well made case. It opened my eyes a bit to some of the actions I did without really thinking anything of them and how deeper in games it could be used against me. Good lesson to learn I suppose. Time is AWOL. See above paragraph about Mish. Chuckles... well, I think he was hesitant to hammer me because he knew what it would make him look like when I flipped town. And lastly, Ishy. Who knows man? I wouldn't really be surprised one way or the other which way he flipped.

[wheeloftime13]

okay... i can be on here for another 20 minutes... oh, and the book signing last night was AMAZING!!! okay, so we have 3 confirmed town... Hallia, TG, and Turin... I don't agree with TG using his shot on Hallia, but it's over with, so there's no point in groaning about it now as it does let us know that she is town....

[lolguy26]

Actually I don't mind hammering someone who I think is mafia but I've had a town read (albeit an overeager noob) on you since the game started, and your case on me is me saying hi to peace which if i was mafia I wouldn't do it *duh*!