[ADVANCED] Forsaken in the White Tower: Town wins!

[cosmicpanda]

Darthe, I'm not sure what my reputation is or why it's unwarranted; in any case, I wasn't saying 'vote Darthe because of my reputation', so I don't know why you brought it up. I'm focusing on you because you were the only one to suggest that Cloud was confirmed town (or almost so) as a result of his vote. He's not, and I explained why. The fact that you believed his claim so suddenly suggests to me that you might have more information than the rest of the town does.  

 

You're backpedaling now to say that he's only somebody that you have a town read on. That would have been a fair enough reaction to have, but it wasn't your initial reaction. 

[Basel Gill]

Len (3): Darthe, RTE, Time
Ishy (2): Tress, Hallia
Kaylee (1): Ishy
Rand (2): Tina, Tiink
Pandy (1): Moon
Cloud (2): TG, Mish
Moon (1): Rand
Mish (2): Cloud
Talya (1): Kae
RTE (1): Talya
Darthe (2): Peace, Pandy

Not voting (3): Tiink, Len, Player

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

[michellem]

Internet is back! *hugs the internet* I promise I'll never be late in paying the bill ever again!

 

Personally I have a town feel on Cloud; if he is mafia he didn't need to come forward at all; he could have let the initial confusion play out. Of course, after a while we would have figured it out. But my gut says town for now.

[Hallia]

*nodnod* I agree with you Mish.  He did stick his neck out, in my opinion.

[Tyler Glembo]

*nodnod* And learn I shall! So basically the first day posts are just checking in, and getting a feel for people?

 

And poking people to see how they react.  It's not all just random posting.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

*poke*

[_CLOUD]

Reading back I noticed that most of Rand's posts were questions directed at players to get more info, but when he got called out on those he always started dodging them. An example is post #131 where he gets overdefensive regarding his joke vote on Moon, and then tries to divert the attention to the talk around Hallia. Post #123 is another example where Rand tries too hard to look Town. In post #136 he questions Kay and Len on the Hellia topic and he later says in post #140 that he wasn't being serious and that he actually knew what they meant to say. I mean, why do you ask a question like that if you already know the answer? 

 

His latest post is probably the one that stuck out the most imo: 

 

How would we test it against others if we don't have any other character claims to test it against?  (and please no one claim their character to give us something to compare to)

 

Nobody in this game would claim their character for no good reason. He knows that himself and yet he takes the time to advice everyone on it. It looks to me like he is trying too hard to look town. 

 

I meant if he claims a character and he is lying, someone might have that character and be able to call him on it.

 

This. I don't like to claim so early but I'd figured out I'll try something new this game. I'm Thom Merrilin. Knowing this might help you guys out if I get killed this Night. 

 

Darthe, I'm not sure what my reputation is or why it's unwarranted; in any case, I wasn't saying 'vote Darthe because of my reputation', so I don't know why you brought it up. I'm focusing on you because you were the only one to suggest that Cloud was confirmed town (or almost so) as a result of his vote. He's not, and I explained why. The fact that you believed his claim so suddenly suggests to me that you might have more information than the rest of the town does.  

 

You're backpedaling now to say that he's only somebody that you have a town read on. That would have been a fair enough reaction to have, but it wasn't your initial reaction. 

 

Interesting. FoS on Darthe. 

 

Internet is back! *hugs the internet* I promise I'll never be late in paying the bill ever again!

 

Personally I have a town feel on Cloud; if he is mafia he didn't need to come forward at all; he could have let the initial confusion play out. Of course, after a while we would have figured it out. But my gut says town for now.

 

This. I claimed so early to avoid the situation where the anonymous vote would give mafia the benefit of WIFOM that could result in the wrong player getting lynched. I'm pretty sure that if I claimed later people would have called me out on being mafia, not to mention that the real mafia team would have probably guessed that I was a doublevoter to begin with and killed me anyway. I'm not sure if I will die tonight or not. 

 

 

Unvote

 

Vote Rand

[Darthe]

Darthe, I'm not sure what my reputation is or why it's unwarranted; in any case, I wasn't saying 'vote Darthe because of my reputation', so I don't know why you brought it up. I'm focusing on you because you were the only one to suggest that Cloud was confirmed town (or almost so) as a result of his vote. He's not, and I explained why. The fact that you believed his claim so suddenly suggests to me that you might have more information than the rest of the town does.

 

You're backpedaling now to say that he's only somebody that you have a town read on. That would have been a fair enough reaction to have, but it wasn't your initial reaction.

No I'm not. Have you legitimately never seen this done because its done by me in almost every game and is done by almost everyone on mafiascum. I'm not going to change for the site meta when the site meta creates issue. You can nitpick the difference between "I have this person on my town list" and "this persons townie" all you want but both say the same thing, my stance on the individual currently based on their play.

[Sakaea]

 

You mean Tel'aran'rhiod?

Grammar nazi lol.

 

So what do you think sis? Who's scum?

 

 

Ok, let's see. I think Cloud's early reveal was odd, but probably ultimately a town move. Hallia is pinging, but I think it's just n00b pings, and D1 pass there anyway. Darthe seems off to me, tho it isn't anything I can quote and point at specifically yet. And a minor FOS at Lenlo for character fishing on Cloud. Doesn't feel townie to me at all at this point.

 

Unvote

[peacesells]

 

Darthe, I'm not sure what my reputation is or why it's unwarranted; in any case, I wasn't saying 'vote Darthe because of my reputation', so I don't know why you brought it up. I'm focusing on you because you were the only one to suggest that Cloud was confirmed town (or almost so) as a result of his vote. He's not, and I explained why. The fact that you believed his claim so suddenly suggests to me that you might have more information than the rest of the town does.

 

You're backpedaling now to say that he's only somebody that you have a town read on. That would have been a fair enough reaction to have, but it wasn't your initial reaction.

No I'm not. Have you legitimately never seen this done because its done by me in almost every game and is done by almost everyone on mafiascum. I'm not going to change for the site meta when the site meta creates issue. You can nitpick the difference between "I have this person on my town list" and "this persons townie" all you want but both say the same thing, my stance on the individual currently based on their play.

Darthe, you sure are coming across as overly defensive.  Why bring half the stuff you posted here I have no clue.  What does your meta on another site have to do with your scummy play here?

 

Btw..both statements don't say the same thing to your readers..regardless of what you meant to say.  I doubt you don't get that.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

For what it's worth, based on the one game I played with him where he was involved in two different roles, Darthe can... irk people, town or not. He was town twice I think but both times came across as scummy.

 

But we love him just how he is... Sorta He does try to push everyone's buttons and calls everyone out, for better or for worse.

[Lenlo]

Why is it a bad thing to ask about his character Tress? He already revealed his role so he might as well reveal his character as well. Half done reveals dont help town. Now that we know he is Thom if he is lieing then a real Thom can step forward and say "That guy is a LLL!" And we get a scum. ((Again, I dont think he is lieing but it never hurts to be cautious.))

[Tiinker]

 

Darthe, I'm not sure what my reputation is or why it's unwarranted; in any case, I wasn't saying 'vote Darthe because of my reputation', so I don't know why you brought it up. I'm focusing on you because you were the only one to suggest that Cloud was confirmed town (or almost so) as a result of his vote. He's not, and I explained why. The fact that you believed his claim so suddenly suggests to me that you might have more information than the rest of the town does.

 

You're backpedaling now to say that he's only somebody that you have a town read on. That would have been a fair enough reaction to have, but it wasn't your initial reaction.

No I'm not. Have you legitimately never seen this done because its done by me in almost every game and is done by almost everyone on mafiascum. I'm not going to change for the site meta when the site meta creates issue. You can nitpick the difference between "I have this person on my town list" and "this persons townie" all you want but both say the same thing, my stance on the individual currently based on their play.

 

??? If you change the wording or structure of a sentence then you very obviously change its meaning...

 

I don't know about anyone else but I personally can't stand mafia on mafiascum.

[Tyler Glembo]

 

 

 

??? If you change the wording or structure of a sentence then you very obviously change its meaning...

 

I don't know about anyone else but I personally can't stand mafia on mafiascum.

 

Mafia scum is...different.  I am playing my first game there right now and while I like certain aspects the one thing that is missing is a sense of camaraderie/friendship.  Here we have the books to discuss and fun to be had, there it is very serious mafia.

[Tiinker]

From what I saw it was mainly just lazy and sloppy play.

[Darthe]

^ you should have seen the last game I was in then. We caught 3 scum in 2 days with Vig help and caught the 4th on D4.

 

I do not intend to be brash by saying this but I have no intentions of changing things that help me when the groups here won't play as a team. If I can't decide that I trust some people in each game because you all find that "scummy" then lynch me each game and give scum an early advantage. But I happen to know that hunting scum is easier when you have solid reads on others, even if they are temporary. Selfish play gets punished.

[Darthe]

^ for the point of it I said 4 and it was 5 and here is the game.  It truly went wonderfully though I had another sloppy beginning.  To much impetuous play lately.

 

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23589

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Linking to a whole other game on a whole other site seems a bit excessive.

[peacesells]

Darthe..your EMO is showing again.

[Darthe]

Peace, I play to play.   Don't waste time on pokes, we have better things to do.  It is simple logic, you either agree or don't.  

[peacesells]

Peace, I play to play.   Don't waste time on pokes, we have better things to do.  It is simple logic, you either agree or don't.  

Its obvious I agree you are emoing.  I wasn't making a joke. 

[Darthe]

Agree with yourself perhaps.

[Tyler Glembo]

Not nessecarily; if this person has a role who gives them two votes i.e. then they can post one publicly and one on PM. I haven't heard of such a role, but I guess it exists.

 

Or possibly a role that, if someone votes them, a second vote will be generated for that person to use anonymously? I really don't know. It sucks though <.<

 

 

I've never heard of such a thing as an anonymous vote o.O I have no idea how that works.

 

This is a bit odd IMO.  Mish posits on the role, then a few posts later says she has no idea how the role works.  Not self consistent.

 

 

 

I don't know, Moon always seems like this to me.  Darthe, can you explain your is this real comment?  Do you think that that isn't a viable reason, or were you just posting that for kicks and giggles.

Seems like what??? She's posted TWICE. And you've got your joke vote on her. This just seems like massively poor defense of a teammate to me.

 

Vote Rand[/color=red]

 

I was talking about this post (quoting will probably be weird.

 

 

 

> 

 

I was gonna say I think that both Len and Darthe are scum

Because of their arguing.

Looks like distancing.

But Darthe explained the "Kivam" thing.

Possibly trying to distance himself.

 

 

 

Moon generally starts off swinging without very many joke/spam posts.  She is very to the point with her observations.  That's what I was saying as normal.  And my joke vote was completely random, I was just pointing out that she isn't scummy right now.  My joke vote has no indication of who I think is scummy, hence it being called a joke vote.

 

 

 

cloud's reveal is majorly suspect and not necessarily a town thing. 

He *could* be a double voter as town. This is completely plausable. 

 

Or, maybe the mafia got a double voter to compensate for overpowered town or under numbered mafia. 

 

However, even if he is town, then Cloud has done something risky. He made himself a mafia target. They might want to control his vote, or kill him so he can't double vote against them. 

 

As far as my limited posting, I’ve just started modding my first mafia game in Thak. And that has taken up a little bit of time. Plus, as Rand has pointed out, I’m often very silly on day one. Because it is very hard to get a read on some people during day one.

 

I am going to Unvote for now and vote when I've had a chance to decide who I think the real mafias are. 

 

This is also quite strange.  Rand says Moon is concise and to the point.  Moon says that Rand is right that she is silly.  At the very least skimming by Moon.

 

Darthe, I'm not sure what my reputation is or why it's unwarranted; in any case, I wasn't saying 'vote Darthe because of my reputation', so I don't know why you brought it up. I'm focusing on you because you were the only one to suggest that Cloud was confirmed town (or almost so) as a result of his vote. He's not, and I explained why. The fact that you believed his claim so suddenly suggests to me that you might have more information than the rest of the town does.  

 

You're backpedaling now to say that he's only somebody that you have a town read on. That would have been a fair enough reaction to have, but it wasn't your initial reaction. 

 

Darthe was not the only one to think Cloud was town after his reveal.  Why spread misinformation to try and build a case?

 

Why is it a bad thing to ask about his character Tress? He already revealed his role so he might as well reveal his character as well. Half done reveals dont help town. Now that we know he is Thom if he is lieing then a real Thom can step forward and say "That guy is a LLL!" And we get a scum. ((Again, I dont think he is lieing but it never hurts to be cautious.))

 

This is very strange to me because Lenlo didn't ask for the role, he put it out there softly to everyone saying "Hey guys, should we maybe ask for a role what do you think?"  And then when he gets a good reaction from others about the idea he doubles down as though he came out and asked for a role when he never did.  Reeks of being overcautious scum.

 

I don't have tons of reads on everyone else yet, but here is my wall so far- 

Time - no content yet, but made a joke vote post well after the joke vote stage was over.  still, null

Kaylee - Concise posts, no read

Peace - At first I wasn't sure if he was trying to stir the pot with pokes or actually case building, but he made a serious vote on Darthe and then two posts later made a joke about his serious vote.  leaning scum

Cloud - double vote, town read for the reveal

Darthe - him advising on play is a town read to me, he is looking for content to scumhunt instead of the friendly banter a lot of us engage is.  I disagree with him because I think the joy of mafia on DM is that we are all friendly and this isn't the case on mafia scum, but to each their own. - leaning town

Hallia - seems newb to me, leaning town

Tress - could be more helpful to halia with an explanation of why rather than just posting observation, null

Moon - see above, leaning scum

Len - see above, weirdly cautious behavior about the roleclaim, then doubles down on it, likely scum

Mish - see above, weird backup on double vote issue, slight scum lean

Kae - seems to have taken on a role of advising town, null

Rand - seems to be playing to his town style, likely town

Tina - I didn't like her pressure vote on what I consider a weak case, but null tell

Pandy - first non-joke vote, see above for misinformation, leaning scum

Talya - acting like scum hunting in how she words her posts, leaning town

RTE - still acting like a newb, leaning town

[Tyler Glembo]

unvote, vote Lenlo

[Niniel]

 

Darthe, I'm not sure what my reputation is or why it's unwarranted; in any case, I wasn't saying 'vote Darthe because of my reputation', so I don't know why you brought it up. I'm focusing on you because you were the only one to suggest that Cloud was confirmed town (or almost so) as a result of his vote. He's not, and I explained why. The fact that you believed his claim so suddenly suggests to me that you might have more information than the rest of the town does.

 

You're backpedaling now to say that he's only somebody that you have a town read on. That would have been a fair enough reaction to have, but it wasn't your initial reaction.

No I'm not. Have you legitimately never seen this done because its done by me in almost every game and is done by almost everyone on mafiascum. I'm not going to change for the site meta when the site meta creates issue. You can nitpick the difference between "I have this person on my town list" and "this persons townie" all you want but both say the same thing, my stance on the individual currently based on their play.

 

 

^ you should have seen the last game I was in then. We caught 3 scum in 2 days with Vig help and caught the 4th on D4.

 

I do not intend to be brash by saying this but I have no intentions of changing things that help me when the groups here won't play as a team. If I can't decide that I trust some people in each game because you all find that "scummy" then lynch me each game and give scum an early advantage. But I happen to know that hunting scum is easier when you have solid reads on others, even if they are temporary. Selfish play gets punished.

 

None of these posts makes sense to me. What are you talking about?

 

I agree with Cloud about Rand. Will keep my vote there.