[Advanced] Bloodlust Mafia Game Over!

[Turin Turambar]

Ishy,  I am currently voting Rand. I am giving BG the benefit of the doubt regarding what he has seen in you or Mynd or whatever for now. I still don't agree that an earlier claim, say at 24 hours which might have given enough time to pursue other leads would have been a bad idea. I can agree to disagree about that, but to call everyone morons for questioning it is disengenuous IMO.

 

Why do you think Mynd said that he never claimed mason? although technically correct since you did the claiming. He apparently had internet issues again or at least I am supposing that is the reason for his recent silence. His soft denial only puts pressure on you as it makes it look like one of you is lying about the situation.

 

Kaylee, I think that he meant that he was more confident I am town but less so about Basel. I don't want to speak for Ishy but that is my interpretation. Sorry If I am reading your statement wrong Ishy. Feel freee to correct me if I am.

 

And peoples we need to get hot with some voting and discussion. I think tha deadline is within the next 24 hours again.

[John E. Kelley]

Mr. Turambar, at the 24 timeframe, Mynd was still at L-5 I believe, there was still a chance that he wouldn't be the lynch. There was no incentive to claim then, other than to just throw it out there. Even if Mynd was the lead vote getter, when he's that far away from a lynch...yeah.

 

And as far as BG goes, I wasn't calling you out. But those that have been questioning him,  they know who they are.

[Turin Turambar]

He was L-4 but I guess I can see how you could hope that it would have gone differently.

 

What about his statement about never claiming? have you been able to talk to him on your QT about things he can't post due to DM super firewall?

 

What do you think about Rand?

[dicetosser1]

flip flopping? 

 

D1 i didnt think the case on Mynd was good. But then the way you 2 played that out plus his whole "i never said"  equals me voting him.

 

However Rand is putting me off too. I could easily vote him but the way Mynd is playing this game is just creating too much WIFOM and thus i am not trusting him. 

 

 

Dont see much flip flopping there bro

[hazelkrs1]

For what it's worth, I def agree that you should have claimed earlier Ishy. Don't be defensive about it either, the fact is claims shouldn't wait till someone is L-2 or anything like that. Personally, I think early claims are pro-town since it gets cards on the table quicker and lets town decide if it wants to pursue other options, and gives it more time to do so. It also depends somewhat on the claim, since some claims benefit more from staying hidden than others, but with a mason claim there really was no reason to hold back for however long.

 

IMO, the main utility of a mason team in most games comes from their claim, since it has the potential to have a cop clear more than one person at a time if they view one of the people who claimed, and a claim can also help keep masons alive longer as a mafia team is unlikely to kill a mason after their claim since it will vet their partner, and the role usually doesn't carry much more usefulness for town. So not only do I think that you should have claimed earlier Ishy, I also don't like your disdain for anyone who thinks other than what you think.

 

In the meantime, we really need MYND to come out clean on whether or not he is mason partners with Ishy. For him to come out and balk like he did with his last post is most troubling, and if for some reason he's town but dies before he can confirm being partners with Ishy or not, we won't be able to be at rest concerning Ishy

[John E. Kelley]

Des......

 

I disagree....

 

Suck it.....

 

Beotch....

[hazelkrs1]

 

Since I'm poisoned, I'm not going to go through great lengths to get caught up all the way or reread. Gonna take it from here.

 

Sakaea was one of the only ones to comment on my poisoning, yet also sowed seeds for trying to discredit me if I should stay alive somehow. Vurrry anti-town move there.

 

Other than that, Mynd and someone has claimed mason, can't remember who right now. Also Turin is surprisingly active, and I must say he is kinda pinging me as well. Other than that, I'm on my way out so I don't really want the headache of trying to get everything into a more clear picture. If someone wants to recap for me I might try to be a bit more active. Sorry Darthe.

 

 

And so putting out a theory about being turned in a vamp game is anti town? Troll me some more why don't you.

 

Unvote Mynd

 

Yes, it is antitown. There was no reason whatsoever to throw out such conjecture at that point, If I somehow survived a phase or two, THEN you could have easily sounded out theories like those. But if I was somehow converted, do you really think I would have announced anything that happened that would make people wonder about me? I have no reason to believe that anything other than death is waiting to greet me very soon.

 

The fact that you came out and tried theorizing about the poison at all makes it seem more like you were trying to act like you didn't know how the poison would function or something. And honestly, given our past, it wouldn't surprise me at all if YOU were the one who either poisoned me, or suggested to the mafia team to poison me. Once I'm dead, I really hope town takes a good long look at you.

 

Oh, and me being suspicious of you =/= trolling. You need to stop with that stuff. Some people are always wary of certain individuals, doesn't mean they're trying to troll you or that it's anything personal or anything like that.

[hazelkrs1]

Des......

 

I disagree....

 

Suck it.....

 

Beotch....

 

I <3 U bro

 

[RandA lThor]

Can we get a VC please?

[cosmicpanda]

Okay, time to review day two.

 

I like Rand's reasoning in post 354. It would be idiotic for Ishy and Mynd if they were mafia teammates to decide on this as a ploy. It would leave them both in the option, and a single cop viewing would take them both down. However, the 'regardless of Mynd's alignment, Turin is scummy' post is plain odd; even if this were so, why is he now focusing on Basel? The reasoning he's given is insufficient: why is not trusting BG's claim scummy? It's actually really funny: Rand votes Basel, giving no reasoning; Basel votes Rand, saying that his willingness to believe BG is scummy; Rand reveals that his reasoning is the complete inverse, that is, that  Basel's unwillingness to believe BG's claim is scummy. I don't know why Rand couldn't post that one sentence when he gave his original vote? Hmmm. 

 

As for Basel, he's very keen to say that he wasn't actually pushing for a claim from BG: no, all he was doing was doubting Ishy's claim. That's completely unrelated to the reason that BG revealed his reading. Hmmm. 

 

Dice comes through as the main person pushing for a fuller claim from BG. Noted for the future. I think the scenario he outlines where BG, Mynd and Ishy are all scum is extremely unlikely, as just one cop viewing could take them all down, so that's bogus reasoning there. 

 

Mynd is incomprehensible again. I was willing to let it slide on day one, but I don't know if I can let it continue. A little snake-shaking is a good thing at the beginning of the game, but it needs to be backed up eventually with actual scum-finding. I can't see any reason that Ishy would essentially save Mynd from a lynch by claiming masons, and then Mynd would come back the next day and imply that he's not a mason... I mean, what? Hmmm. 

 

Both Cloud and JLM are lurking... and Cloud defended JLM. 

 

Hi Des. I have no real comments on your posts, other than to point out that if Mynd dies and he's a mason, that should show up in his role, right? 

 

Darthe says the deadline is at 7 pm GMT, which is in less than 12 hours. I'm not sure if I'll be on tomorrow, and in any case it's Saturday my time, so I'm going to make my final vote of the day now. I think there's something going on with all of the players I mentioned above, except Des. Looking at the last votecount, I think that Rand has the best chance of reaching a majority vote today. 

 

Unvote, vote: Rand

[dicetosser1]

cosmic i agreew it is unlikely   however with those three involved anything is possible  the more convoluted the better.

[michellem]

Oh Ishy

 

 

Des, I'm not quite sure what to think about your post about claiming... I've seen you say the exactly opposite in other games on that exact subject.

 

 

I think either Rand or Basel is scum; and of the two I'm leaning more towards Rand. I don't think I've ever played with Rand as mafia, and his game so far doesn't quite line up with how I've gotten to know his play. Vote Rand

[_CLOUD]

I'm gonna hop on the bandwagon on this one and Vote Rand. There have been a lot of good posts explaining why his actions are scummy and I find them legit. 

 

I have no idea what to think about Mynd right now, especially not after his last post where he stated that he never said he was a Mason. For all I know this could be another one of his ploys, but so far Ishy hasn't commented on it. Basel also seems to be creating a lot of WIFOM in regards to BG's claim. 

[michellem]

*pokes Cloud* Not looking too good there yourself dear, showing up straight after being mentioned.

[Tyler Glembo]

With little time left I think the Rand lynch will give us good info both on Rand himself and also on those who have pushed his lynch/bandwagoned onto his lynch. I am more inclined to believe Ishy and Mynd on the mason claim, though it feels more like Mynd is trying to just mess with everyone rather than do anything useful.

vote Rand

[Tyler Glembo]

With little time left I think the Rand lynch will give us good info both on Rand himself and also on those who have pushed his lynch/bandwagoned onto his lynch. I am more inclined to believe Ishy and Mynd on the mason claim, though it feels more like Mynd is trying to just mess with everyone rather than do anything useful.

vote Rand

[Sakaea]

VC please!

 

 

Mynd, are you denying you are masons with Ishy? 

 

I will not be on at the DL, or much at all until probably Tuesday. Just saying.

[_CLOUD]

*pokes Cloud* Not looking too good there yourself dear, showing up straight after being mentioned.

 

Hmm I don't really see how that matters. I have been mentioned a few times already and it's better to show up now instead of missing the deadline. As for Cosmic's claim on me defending JLM: I'm against a train that isn't based on any evidence, more so when that train was created by Ishy who hasn't even responded to the Mason thing yet. 

[Turin Turambar]

Very unofficially I counted rand at L-2. no one else has more than 2 votes I believe.

 

Darthe, make with the official counting and stuffs. I think we are just under 12 hours until deadline.

 

 

 

Again where the heck is Mynd? Ishy can you drag him back over here to address the questions people have asked?

[Myndrunner]

I am being told that DM's new ghestapo browser test thing doesn't like me and that it's likely that my Firefox has nasties on it.   Fine. 

 

After an extensive review of the verbal diareaah that has been sprayed in this game so far, allow me to clarify some things:

 

1) I am a mason with Ishy.   I wasn't about to outright claim until I caught up on the game and touched base with Ishy on it, but some were implying that I had claimed to be masons which was not true.  To settle this matter, Ishy and I are indeed masons and that is that.

 

2) Internet problems are no excuse for inactivity,so I do apologizefor that.

 

3) My point was how Turin was so staunch against me in the beginning but only after Peacesells was gunning for me did his fervor increase.  Then, when I proposed that lynching me was the way to go, he immediately began to point the fingers at Peace by saying "well, he was the one who was to blame" but it was as if Turin knew I would flip town BEFORE it happened.  The mafia know who is not mafia and therefore town.....and Turin is likely the one.

 

4) I am changing my vote to Rand because we now have a deadline and we need a majority.....and in light of new events,I'd like to retract my original plan. 

 

unvote

 

vote Rand

[Basel Gill]

I think either Rand or Basel is scum; and of the two I'm leaning more towards Rand. I don't think I've ever played with Rand as mafia, and his game so far doesn't quite line up with how I've gotten to know his play. Vote Rand

 

:shock: By this point, I thought everyone had played with Rand as mafia. He's been mafia in so many games.

[michellem]

Might just be my memory being fuzzy; this is my twelth game and it's starting to get hard to keep track of who has been what now

[Turin Turambar]

Mynd, can you please show the post where I said or implied that it was Peace's fault? I have asked before to no avail so if you have no evidence then I will just ignore your poking at me.

 

It sounds like you are still trying to mischaracterize me. Why I have no idea.  

[Basel Gill]

Mynd, can you please show the post where I said or implied that it was Peace's fault? I have asked before to no avail so if you have no evidence then I will just ignore your poking at me.

 

It sounds like you are still trying to mischaracterize me. Why I have no idea.  

 

I would also like to see Mynd supply where Turin said this. Like I mentioned previously, it is well within Mynd's scum meta to talk about someone saying stuff they never actually said, then ignore anyone calling him out on it.

 

@Mynd, Turin has asked you to show where he said this multiple times now, and you still have yet to produce it. You have been having internet issues, but you have still come on to post a few times, and your evasiveness on this subject is not helping your mason claim. BG's reveal backing you as town has been believable. Your own behavior, and Ishy's behavior, has been far from it.

[Lenlo]

I think we should give Mynd and Ishy the benefit of the doubt atleast for today, especially with BG's backing them up, though I wish he would tell us why/how he got the info.

 

Vote Rand

 

Rand will tell us alot of what we need to know right now. He is a really good info lynch and im not really sure of how I feel about him throwing his FoS around on first Turin, then Basel.

 

Sorry havnt been that active, but JLM's game is over so now I can focus on this one.