Who Will Kill Shadar Haran?

[Entreri]

The gholam is impossible to defeat with those very primitive weapons in the WoT. Mat survived due to that ter'angreal.

 

I would say after Moraine's death, Lan >=Jearom.

 

Regardless, if they were to fight to the death and minimal luck (or no luck involved) Mat is toast against Lan.

 

But Lan is lucky, if you remember New Spring. That is why Merean tried to kill him in Chachin.

 

They believe he was lucky, but then again there was mass murder of similar people. Mat has Shai'tan's own luck.

 

 

Getting back on topic, I don't see how Mat would ever take out Shadar Haran.

 

It is not like you can throw a grenade at it or blast it with top secret energy weapons the US military is developing.

[Matrim-Bloody-Cauthon]

The gholam is impossible to defeat with those very primitive weapons in the WoT. Mat survived due to that ter'angreal.

 

I would say after Moraine's death, Lan >=Jearom.

 

Regardless, if they were to fight to the death and minimal luck (or no luck involved) Mat is toast against Lan.

 

But Lan is lucky, if you remember New Spring. That is why Merean tried to kill him in Chachin.

 

They believe he was lucky, but then again there was mass murder of similar people. Mat has Shai'tan's own luck.

 

 

Getting back on topic, I don't see how Mat would ever take out Shadar Haran.

 

It is not like you can throw a grenade at it or blast it with top secret energy weapons the US military is developing.

 

I hadn't even considered this, but now that you mention it... Mat COULD just throw a 'grenade' at it, thanks to Aludra.

[b3arz3rg3r]

Getting back on topic, I don't see how Mat would ever take out Shadar Haran.

 

You do know that Mat has this magical + 4 spear of dimension cutting, don't you? I see no reason why it shouldn't be able to kill SH. And Mat sure is capable enough.

He has the foxhead medallion which might protect him from SH's true power. That is if SH can even use it against someone not linked to the DO, which I believe we have never seen him do.

[FarShainMael]

Mat is toast against SH. Even against Lan, Mat would need insane luck to win. Insane luck will be insufficeint against a thing such as SH.

 

True Power, SH can change shape...which may imply he is not entirely a corporeal being. If none corporeal, Mat's weapons will have no affect.

 

WoT is about balance: Creator/Shai'tan, saidin/saidar, men stronger/women can link, LTT/Ishamael, Taint/Mashadar....SH/Fain.

 

Given this, I think a possible double KO: SH vs. Fain.

 

I do like this idea, especially since Fain is now essence-of-ShadarLogoth and Haran is essence-of-DO.. and we've already seen what happens when SL-evil meets taint!

 

(PS: Why haven't Rand's wounds annihilated each other in the same way..?)

[Matrim-Bloody-Cauthon]

Mat is toast against SH. Even against Lan, Mat would need insane luck to win. Insane luck will be insufficeint against a thing such as SH.

 

True Power, SH can change shape...which may imply he is not entirely a corporeal being. If none corporeal, Mat's weapons will have no affect.

 

WoT is about balance: Creator/Shai'tan, saidin/saidar, men stronger/women can link, LTT/Ishamael, Taint/Mashadar....SH/Fain.

 

Given this, I think a possible double KO: SH vs. Fain.

 

I do like this idea, especially since Fain is now essence-of-ShadarLogoth and Haran is essence-of-DO.. and we've already seen what happens when SL-evil meets taint!

 

(PS: Why haven't Rand's wounds annihilated each other in the same way..?)

I believe they havent because they are equally matched, and at a stalemate. And the two fight each other on and on warded off from the rest of his body.

Btw i think that is a big foreshadowing of how the DO will be defeated. Rather then the forsaken like last time, you seal Fain inside the DO's prison. The two evils will again reach a stalemate with each other, in effect keeping them both from gaining enough power to break free.

[FarShainMael]

Best place for him, IMO..

[randomh3r0]

I think Mat will end up playing more General-style rolls. Although he's a very accomplished fighter by this point, he's lost an eye, still has deep connections to the Seanchan, and Bashere and other generals take his advice and strategy to heart. He's got to play that part at some point. Perrin is an ok lord, but he's no field commander compared to Mat, and Rand needs him to lead the main armies.

If Shadar Harran is the DO's avatar in the world, we must assume this has happened before, and a regular person will battle it. We know that Fain is an enigma, something completely new in the Wheel, and I don't believe he'll be the one to fight this evil either. I see SH maybe killing a couple of minor characters, and then maybe squaring off against a non-channleler (Lan, perhaps?)

Fain to me seems like he'll make trouble for both sides equally, though if it wasn't for his hatred towards Rand, I'd say moreso towards the shadow. We know Mordeth had good intentions in Aridhol, and it consumed itself in it's attempt to fight the shadow. This could still come into play. (In my opinion)

I'd have to say either Rand with his old sword in a duel, or Lan personally.

[WolfDragonFox]

I think many people are missing what I find to be the most obvious answer to this question. I believe it will be the King of Wolves himself Perrin. Here's my reasoning:

 

Mat likely won't be focused on a singular enemy, he is the greatest general alive so he will need to the main strategist against ALL of the DO's forces. Yes he will do some fighting but to me it seems likely he'll be going in many directions. Rand has the DO and Fain to worry about and those 3 will be deadlocked in a battle with along with whats left of the Forsaken and a few choice powerful Aes Sedai and Ashaman to help out. That leaves Perrin wide open for the other big bad guy left. And we hear it repeated that the wolves hate darkspawn more than anything in the world and will go out of there way to hunt down Trollocs but more importantly for this battle is the information we have that says that wolves will NEVER stop attacking until they bring down a Fade even if it kills the entire pack. So my guess is going to be Perrin taking down the King of the Fades. As for any argument however mine has one hole in it, and that is Luc/Isam...because as we know he is a wolf killing piece of crap and he's not dead yet and they have already battled it out a few times in the real world and dream world. So I will stick to my thought that Perrin will deal with Shaidar Haran, but he will likely be dealing with Luc/Isam primarily or both which would be awesome cuz he's my favorite character so he deserves to take out two big time bad guys. ALSO let it be noted that it says Rand will need Perrin (i believe specifically) in order to win the last battle.

[Lurk No More]

Just to mix things up...because I believe this thread has taken in to account all possibilities save this: Who's to say that SH will be killed?

 

It does seem like he will be removed from the game somehow, but what if - as the DO's avatar - he disappears or is assimilated back to the DO if/when he is free?

[FarShainMael]

I think that if/when the Bore is sealed/repaired, that will cut SH's connection to the DO if he's still around, and he will evaporate in a puff of smoke.

[Lurk No More]

Funny you should say that, because I have this image in my mind of SH being like the King Ring Wraith... The Witch king of Angmar. I keep seeing his implosion at the end of RotK when I think of SH. So following that train of thought, I wonder if a female will be the one to take him out. ? We have some powerful girls in this story.

[holiday]

Min's viewing of an onyx hand wielding Callandor narrows the possibilities for me slightly. I think it will be Mat, jumping in to save Rand after Callandor gets swooped.

[skyfirex]

It is not like you can throw a grenade at it or blast it with top secret energy weapons the US military is developing.

 

I hadn't even considered this, but now that you mention it... Mat COULD just throw a 'grenade' at it, thanks to Aludra.

 

Had to mention grenades, eh?

 

And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths, and carp and anchovies, and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit-bats...

[Matrim-Bloody-Cauthon]

It is not like you can throw a grenade at it or blast it with top secret energy weapons the US military is developing.

 

I hadn't even considered this, but now that you mention it... Mat COULD just throw a 'grenade' at it, thanks to Aludra.

 

Had to mention grenades, eh?

 

And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, "O Lord, bless this thy hand grenade, that with it thou mayst blow thine enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy." And the Lord did grin. And the people did feast upon the lambs and sloths, and carp and anchovies, and orangutans and breakfast cereals, and fruit-bats...

LOL I honestly thought it would be Fain, but that settles it! Mat KO's SH with the Holy Hand Grenade! :p

[thisguy]

Min's viewing of an onyx hand wielding Callandor narrows the possibilities for me slightly. I think it will be Mat, jumping in to save Rand after Callandor gets swooped.

I was hoping it was a terangreal hand that Rand finds and uses. :D You'd think they'd have limbs and parts like that from the Age of Legends.

[FarShainMael]

Min's viewing of an onyx hand wielding Callandor narrows the possibilities for me slightly. I think it will be Mat, jumping in to save Rand after Callandor gets swooped.

I was hoping it was a terangreal hand that Rand finds and uses. :D You'd think they'd have limbs and parts like that from the Age of Legends.

 

Did we ever find out what it was that Elayne and Nynaeve used Need to seek, and it took them to a heavily-guarded storeroom in TV? (LoC13)

[Wool-headed lummox]

Min's viewing of an onyx hand wielding Callandor narrows the possibilities for me slightly

I'm pretty sure the onyx hand belongs to Moridin, who will have Callandor after Rand and him switch bodies.

[thisguy]

Min's viewing of an onyx hand wielding Callandor narrows the possibilities for me slightly. I think it will be Mat, jumping in to save Rand after Callandor gets swooped.

I was hoping it was a terangreal hand that Rand finds and uses. :D You'd think they'd have limbs and parts like that from the Age of Legends.

 

Did we ever find out what it was that Elayne and Nynaeve used Need to seek, and it took them to a heavily-guarded storeroom in TV? (LoC13)

Honestly, I have no idea. Doing my first reread in many years and am only up to Book 5. :)

[thisguy]

Min's viewing of an onyx hand wielding Callandor narrows the possibilities for me slightly

I'm pretty sure the onyx hand belongs to Moridin, who will have Callandor after Rand and him switch bodies.

So, do you think that Moridin while in Rand's body weaves some sort of hand for himself?

[holiday]

I'm pretty sure the onyx hand belongs to Moridin, who will have Callandor after Rand and him switch bodies.

I think that's a possibility too. It's just that at this moment, the onyx hand--Hand of the Dark connection seems most likely to me.

[Vardar]

Min's viewing of an onyx hand wielding Callandor narrows the possibilities for me slightly. I think it will be Mat, jumping in to save Rand after Callandor gets swooped.

I was hoping it was a terangreal hand that Rand finds and uses. :D You'd think they'd have limbs and parts like that from the Age of Legends.

 

Did we ever find out what it was that Elayne and Nynaeve used Need to seek, and it took them to a heavily-guarded storeroom in TV? (LoC13)

 

Nope.

 

The real question is why haven't they went looking for it yet. The need was to help Rand right? So whatever it is, it'll help rand...

[TootThatHorn]

Where does that pic come from Toot? I've been trying to place it for weeks

 

Ya it's Sloth from Goonies, although Morsker's answer was pretty hysterical

[Zorlon]

Min's viewing of an onyx hand wielding Callandor narrows the possibilities for me slightly. I think it will be Mat, jumping in to save Rand after Callandor gets swooped.

I was hoping it was a terangreal hand that Rand finds and uses. :D You'd think they'd have limbs and parts like that from the Age of Legends.

 

Did we ever find out what it was that Elayne and Nynaeve used Need to seek, and it took them to a heavily-guarded storeroom in TV? (LoC13)

 

Nope.

 

The real question is why haven't they went looking for it yet. The need was to help Rand right? So whatever it is, it'll help rand...

Obviously that's where the Care Bears are stored in stasis.

 

The real question is how are they gonna end up bringing Olver there.

[Vardar]

Min's viewing of an onyx hand wielding Callandor narrows the possibilities for me slightly. I think it will be Mat, jumping in to save Rand after Callandor gets swooped.

I was hoping it was a terangreal hand that Rand finds and uses. :D You'd think they'd have limbs and parts like that from the Age of Legends.

 

Did we ever find out what it was that Elayne and Nynaeve used Need to seek, and it took them to a heavily-guarded storeroom in TV? (LoC13)

 

Nope.

 

The real question is why haven't they went looking for it yet. The need was to help Rand right? So whatever it is, it'll help rand...

Obviously that's where the Care Bears are stored in stasis.

 

The real question is how are they gonna end up bringing Olver there.

 

HA!

 

That care bear thread had me dying.