A world without the One Power

[mewy79]

I have read on other theories about the idea of after the last battle that there is a possibility of the One Power being destroyed. Personally I dont like the idea but that is not to say that it wont happen. In fact I think there is plenty of evidence that hints of this happening.

In KOD c23 Romanda is thinking about how the wards for keeping are failing. She actually states that it is as if the One Power is failing!!! Now when checking with the WOT encyclopaedia this is believed to be evidence of the last battle approaching, but what if she is spot on the money???

Think what a world without the One Power would be like post TG.

 

Without the power the Seanchan are no longer a massive threat

 

It will end the building hostility between Aes Sedai and Ashamen

 

The Forsaken would be powerless in the next last battle

 

Sorry if this has been brought up before but has really had me thinking and would like to know everyones thoughts.

[Cybertrolloc]

The One Power is kinda intrinsic to the universe, don't think it can be destroyed. The ability to channel can be lost, but don't think that would be sudden.

 

Romanda was wrong (though I thought this was from someone else in CoT), OP stuff works fine, it just doesn't stop whatever DO/Rand juju that's rotting food, etc... Further: Seanchan would still be a massive threat. Men and women working together, that's crazy :) Would Forsaken also lose the TP, if not, huge advantage there (if they were sealed away at all and the Bore were blocked in the same fashion which doesn't look likely)?

[lostcause]

I doubt the OP will burn out in 1 huge "blast".

Mostly because the glimpses of the future we've seen here and there, show people still using the power. This could be false prophecies of course, but I really doubt that.

 

I can definately see the last battle being the beginning of the end for the OP though. We know they have had the AOL where it was at it's peak, and also that there has to be a cycle of no OP at all (our time) - I think whatever it is that makes the OP go dormant, will trigger into motion at the end of the next book.

[rand4747]

it does appear from those futures that after the Aiel were driven back into the waste the use of the one power seems to disappear.

[Vardar]

SIne the One Power drives the "Wheel of Time" which in turn drives the universe and creations and everything, it can't be used up. Man's access to it could be denied I suppose, although how that would affect the standing flows would be interesting. But as long as there's a universe, there will be the One Power.

[LoLPoR]

In Aviendha's view of the future after the last battle her children used the one power, this wouldn't be possible if the ability to use the one power disappeared after TG. I thought that might happen before ToM came out but to me it has been ruled out as a possibilty since Aviendha went through those rings a second time.

[Treebeard]

First and foremost i really hope that RJ/BS don't kill the use of the one power because it would be a tragedy both because that it would be sad and second because it would in my opinion sink the book in the end-swamp, by witch i mean the absurd idéa that just because the book end or shows us a new age come forth the world must decline and become mundane

 

just to ask have RJ or BS said that this shows us our earth as it where/will become

[Cybertrolloc]

http://wotfaq.dragonmount.com/node/108

[randsc]

Access to the Power must and will be lost, as long as there is a Wheel.

 

Of course, that need not be in the next Age. But it will be in some Age before the next Age of Legends.

[Sasha Grayes]

I am one of those hoping for a linear timeline. Thus no OP to turn the wheel.

[Hyronimus]

if the discovery of channelling and the use of the power weakened the prison allowing the darkone to be sensed and the bore to be made (IF).

 

Then i can see that the power needs to be 'redirected' somehow to strengthen the pattern itself. This would reduce the accesabilty of the power perhapes slowy over time.

 

Still this seems unlikey, and i'd rather the use of the power wasn't removed, it doesn't serve the plot or conclude all what the story has been working on. Only the knowledge that the wheel repeats and uncludes an age like ours inspires the idea of a world with out the power. not really anything in story that i can think of.

 

I really hope it doesn't happen!

[Durinax]

if the discovery of channelling and the use of the power weakened the prison allowing the darkone to be sensed and the bore to be made (IF).

 

Then i can see that the power needs to be 'redirected' somehow to strengthen the pattern itself. This would reduce the accesabilty of the power perhapes slowy over time.

 

Still this seems unlikey, and i'd rather the use of the power wasn't removed, it doesn't serve the plot or conclude all what the story has been working on. Only the knowledge that the wheel repeats and uncludes an age like ours inspires the idea of a world with out the power. not really anything in story that i can think of.

 

I really hope it doesn't happen!

actually it would be against the flow of the story to have the power disappear, since the main problem they are working on currently is how to seal the bore without corrupting either side of the power

[mewy79]

if the discovery of channelling and the use of the power weakened the prison allowing the darkone to be sensed and the bore to be made (IF).

 

Then i can see that the power needs to be 'redirected' somehow to strengthen the pattern itself. This would reduce the accesabilty of the power perhapes slowy over time.

 

Still this seems unlikey, and i'd rather the use of the power wasn't removed, it doesn't serve the plot or conclude all what the story has been working on. Only the knowledge that the wheel repeats and uncludes an age like ours inspires the idea of a world with out the power. not really anything in story that i can think of.

 

I really hope it doesn't happen!

actually it would be against the flow of the story to have the power disappear, since the main problem they are working on currently is how to seal the bore without corrupting either side of the power

 

Depends, what if to seal the bore permanently it requires both Saidar and Saidin to be totally drawn out of this world and sealed with the dark one?

[Durinax]

if the discovery of channelling and the use of the power weakened the prison allowing the darkone to be sensed and the bore to be made (IF).

 

Then i can see that the power needs to be 'redirected' somehow to strengthen the pattern itself. This would reduce the accesabilty of the power perhapes slowy over time.

 

Still this seems unlikey, and i'd rather the use of the power wasn't removed, it doesn't serve the plot or conclude all what the story has been working on. Only the knowledge that the wheel repeats and uncludes an age like ours inspires the idea of a world with out the power. not really anything in story that i can think of.

 

I really hope it doesn't happen!

actually it would be against the flow of the story to have the power disappear, since the main problem they are working on currently is how to seal the bore without corrupting either side of the power

 

Depends, what if to seal the bore permanently it requires both Saidar and Saidin to be totally drawn out of this world and sealed with the dark one?

I would be pissed

[Barid Bel Medar]

As mentioned, the OP cannot be destroyed or used up. Not by any force bar the Creator or the Dark One, and perhaps not even then. Nothing any living creature can do could stop this.

 

Again, as mentioned, the OP can - and must, at some point- be lost to people. There is no actual reason that this cannot happen at or after the Last Battle. The future Aviendha sees, we know too little about, the events in it are, too our knowledge, not set in stone, they could be completely different.

 

However, plot-wise, the sudden loss of the OP any time in the near future (like anything below at least 100 years) is extremely silly and virtually impossible.

 

Too much of the plot revolves around channeling, plot that will likely continue in the years after the LB.

 

It would make so much of the plot entirely pointless that it would be writing-suicide to even contemplate.

 

The whole Male Channeling, Black Tower v Aes Sedai plot/s would be pointless.

 

The whole Seanchan plot would be pointless.

 

Egwene's plot would be mostly useless besides her interaction with Rand.

 

Everything to do with "discoveries" and the re-discoveries of Power related Talents or similar would be pointless.

 

Anything to do with the White Tower or Aes Sedai would be pointless.

 

A heap of TAR plot would be useless (though there are other ways of entering TAR, channelling related ability is the most common)

 

All of these things make up a huge portion of the plot and I doubt would just be ignored.

 

Not to mention that Rand, Egwene, Nynaeve, Elayne, Aviendha, Logain, Moiraine, Cadusane, all Aes Sedai, all Wise Ones, all Windfinders, all damane (and some sul'dam potentially) all Ashaman and whoever else can channel would be most likely die within ten years due to the depression and wasting that occurs from being cut off from the One Power.

 

The only realistic way this will happen is over a long period of time. Channelling will become rarer over thousands of years until eventually the ability is either culled completely, or simply forgotten and thought of like we think of witches practising "magic".

[Treebeard]

I found an interesting quote that can point in the direction of the loss of the male and female power

She carefully wowe a counterweave opposite the madness , the laid it over Naeff 's mind. The weave just faded away doing nothing. She gritted her teeth. That should have worked. But as seemed so common lately, it had faild.

ToM (sid 238) -Use a Pebbel

This may indicate that other things done with the power have failed ( even if NYN did not use the appropriate way to heal the madness) If it just would have been Keeping weaves that failed it would not bee mention.

 

P.s I am aware of the possibility that NYN means that her own little experiments failed to do what she wanted.

[tje]

I don't believe that the OP will be lost to the next age but from reading some of RJ's quotes the One Power does not seem to be infinite. IT does however seem to be infinitely REUSABLE. While this may be splitting hairs it does imply that there is a finite source of the OP.

[Treebeard]

Öh but doesn't the OP turn the wheel therefore making it necessary infinitive , at least as long as the world that the creator made will endure ?

[shortkut]

If there is a finite amount, could rand use a lot of angrael and s'angrael to hold all the saidin and thus making the battle at the black tower need to be finished with swords? He did want then trained with weapons while taim wanted them to be weapons... i know it is unlikely to happen, but is it possible?

[mewy79]

When LTT last sealed the bore he only used the male half of the power. The dark one was able to counter strike by putting the taint on it. If this time they were to use both the Male and Female maybe that will somehow take the power from this world and store it in the bore for the rest of time

[tje]

Jordan said that if both male and female powers were used then both would have gotten tainted

[Suttree]

When LTT last sealed the bore he only used the male half of the power. The dark one was able to counter strike by putting the taint on it. If this time they were to use both the Male and Female maybe that will somehow take the power from this world and store it in the bore for the rest of time

 

Per RJ LTT's plan was flawed and it was a "lucky" thing the female AS werent involved. The only difference has they used saidar would have been the female side tainted as well.

[wcbrooks]

What if there was something in the process?

[tje]

well obviously i think there was something wrong with his process or the male half wouldn't have been tainted.

[wcbrooks]

well obviously i think there was something wrong with his process or the male half wouldn't have been tainted.

 

WELL ACTUALLY!!! you can have a process correct and still get a wrong result

 

I meant apart from the obvious - not having the saidar - Did he need a buffer or a sacrifice or a funnel etc

 

basically what did Lews Therin and Rand needs? and is it only that he needed Saidar?