Kae's [BASIC] X-Men Mafia GAME OVER! TOWN WINS!!!

[Red2111]

i think either lynch at this point is good, as i'm near convinced both are scum. but Nol's flip will give us more info as he has his fingers in more honey pots and i still think he's being so brazen this game because he's not afriad of drawing the finder's attention.

 

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE: NOL

 

 

[Sakaea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Basel (2) -- BG, Ama

 

Nolder (3) -- Aemon, Basel, Red

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

[Basel Gill]

However i did not continue to throw the "i am town" line into over-defensive posts.

 

Well, among the stuff you quoted was my shots at analyzing the situation. Considering that:

• Five people voted for me the first day
• The one most heavily pushing my lynch (Mynd) wound up being the one lynched
• The other person to die (Hoof) knew for a fact my alignment as well as Mynd's

I would love to know, under these circumstances, how I could try to break down the situation logically without mentioning which side I'm on. Seriously. Any attempt I might make to figure things out must take into account my alignment. As I indicated to Aemon a while back, I've mentioned it in the analysis posts because it was directly relevant to how I was reading the situation. Any attempt to avoid bringing whether or not I am town into it runs smack into a brick wall of logic for me and the whole structure of my analysis falls to pieces.

 

 

 

[aemonkristen]

We have less than 24 hours till deadline. I hope people start paying attention to the game soon.

[Turin Turambar]

Just finished reading thru the game and I concur more with Aemon and Red That Nolder seems to be the most likely shot at getting mafia. Basel is not clear by any extent, but I will VOTE NOLDER.

[Songstress]

Just finished re-reading in detail... reads/thoughts/summary/whatnot as follows in alphabetical order.

 

Aemon: Actively scumhunting... seems to be playing smart and hasn't pinged me with any serious inconsistencies. In retrospect, he was pretty hardcore on the Mynd lynch, but I believe that is understandable based on how extremely suspicious he was behaving. Very likely town IMO.

 

Ama: Earlier impression was that she jumped on Mynd pretty hard and although I thought she was probably town I'd reconsider if Mynd was mislynched as town. About 24 hours after Mynd blew up in Hoof's face, I think I finally figured out what game he was playing, and I don't blame her for falling for it. Still believe she is likely town.

 

Amega: Has been very quiet since D1 ended, could just be very busy... or possibly laying low? First impression was that he appeared to be defending Nolder more than once, and with Nolder looking so suspicious he's worth another look. Definitely not off the hook IMO.

 

Basel: He's either the king of over-reaction or is a flounderingly nervous and defensive newb-scum. Small amounts of pressure cause vote flips and long defensive posts, pretty much all of which have been linked in other peoples' WoTs. I don't feel the need to quote all of them, especially since most of them were quite long.

 

Wordiness isn't a scumtell IMO, but there's a time when you have to quote Shakespeare and say "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Still looks to me to be the best bet for scum in this bunch.

 

BG: With the number of people who have admitted in the thread that BG PM'd them (as long as they're not bluffing, and I'm assuming he's watching closely to see if anyone tries to pull something)... I'm going to have to go with the still uncontested character claim as making him the most trustworthy at this time. As close to 100% convinced he is town as I can possibly be.

 

Ishy: Initial impression was that he was defending Nolder early in the game, but it was a weak impression. At the time I thought if Nolder turns out to be scum I'll have to look at him harder (see also: Amega). Also like Amega, he's been mighty quiet since D1 ended. In fact, the last we have heard from him was his unexplained vote flip to lynch Mynd and his refusal to comment further.

 

Unvote. Vote Mynd.

 

Care to elaborate?

Oh.....he knows why.

 

While I don't blame people for being suspicious of Mynd (as stated earlier), the way he changed his vote was scummy, and I highly doubt Hoof was the only scum on Mynd's train. Another highly suspicious individual.

 

Levity: Initial impression was likely town because she appeared to be scumhunting intelligently and thoughtfully. However, since Mynd posted his role hinting PM exchange with BG and Levity decided to remove her vote from Mynd, she has been all over the map with indecision and no votes.

 

Oh, I see.

 

Meh, I've never been so good with OC games. This should be interesting though o: I'm curious as to why Mynd threw that out into the open, too, but I'm more leaning town on Mynd after recent content which is why I unvoted him.

 

This is rather interesting...

 

I'm still feeling Mynd as town after all of this, but since I've been easily convinced in the past I'm still going to be a little wary of everyone arguing vehemently right now (except for Ama, as I'm not getting any particular scum or town reads on her at the moment, just Wiki frustration)

 

bleh, my laptop's out of commission at the moment. Posting from my phone.

 

I'm getting a feeling Nolder is town, too. It's rare that scum ever tunnels /this/ hard unless you're a few players I've seen...

I know this is something Nolder regularly does, but I'm getting town feeling from his behavior regardless. I could be horribly wrong.

 

I think Nolder is acting townish, is what I was directing to. IMO he's tunneling way too aggressively to be scum (at least we know that Red and Nolder are almost definitely not on a team, so one of them dying would yield a lot of information on the other).

 

And I could say, "it's some crazy gambit they're all pulling to look town!", but 90% of the time that's crazily inaccurate. Again, I've been wrong before, but I just have a good feeling on this one.

 

So from my perspective at the moment: Nolder and Mynd are probably town

 

BG and Red I'm unsure of.

I'll probably go ahead and look at other players more thoroughly once I regain computer access.

 

To Red: It's pretty likely you guys aren't on a team, though.

 

I'm just giving the straight facts barring the possibility of complex tactics here. I never said I was 100% right.

 

also, i fail to see how i wouldgive any info on anyone at this point as i've not really been playing and postign much. so i'd appreciate you not connecting me with anyone tyvm.

... This is a rather strange comment. <_<

I cannot help that Nolder's been on your case for a majority of day one. Nolder believes your reactions are scummy, he thought you were softclaiming Gambit (teehee, I could make so many puns out of 'gambit' right now), he's tunneling on you hard and at this point it's going to be pretty hard to change his mind. Nolder is stubborn.

 

Therefore, if Nolder happens to be mafia, that makes you likely town, doesn't it? Of course, of course, perhaps you are both mafia making a false scene, but from my perspective you both don't know each other's alignment in this case. So, either both of you are town, or one of you is town and the other is mafia. Simple. The fact you seem so adamant to distance yourself from anyone 'this early in the game' is making me more wary of you. Maybe you are both mafia, who knows? And yet, then why would you bring that up in the first place, eh?

 

But, I mean, isn't mafia a reaction game? We analyze how players interact with one another, see what alignments players flip, things of the sort.

 

damn right i'm adament about people not connecting me with anyone. i know i'm town, for the rest of you lot, i have no clue. anyone who attempts to link me with somone or who tries to link themselves to me gets a well warrented FoS flung there way and a possible vote.

 

but if you notice, i'm not trying to distance myself from Nol, i'm challenging him to bring an actual case against me instead of this weak ass Meta he's clining too.

Like I said, I can't help the way Nolder's been behaving towards you, Red. I can't just disregard it entirely. Perhaps it means moot, who knows.

 

I'm still not entirely sure of who to vote.

 

I see Nolder's case on Red loud and clear, I don't see how people keep missing it /:

I suppose it's a strange one, though, which is why it seems confusing.

 

I don't even understand where the Red/Nolder case is going now.

For one, Mynd having an unorthodox power for a basic game might make sense. Just throwing that out there. I don't believe he would be jester though; don't jesters typically not mention anything when they're fairly close to being lynched? Unless he's decided to be a town-sided jester or something.

 

I seriously cannot decide whether I'm getting a mafia or town vibe from Red. There's a difference between an overly defensive scum and a flustered townie, so I don't know.

 

... I would rather not join on the Mynd lynch, thank you very much. This bandwagon reeks of something terrible.

 

This is odd, though. If Mynd were a bomb, scum wouldn't want to be on the wagon, would they? I mean, if mafia wanted to push a lynch on Mynd... ugh, I'm confused.

 

I really do get a feeling that Mynd is town, guys. I've been getting the stronger town reads from Nolder and Mynd all game. If they both end up being mafia, I'm going to eat my shirt, I swear. Didn't someone once mention the possibility of a serial killer in a basic game? I honestly find a serial killer to be a more far-fetched role to place into a basic setup than a bomb. I was actually getting the feeling that Mynd was claiming either bomb or hunter and not jester, but ehhh.

 

I'm finally getting actual scum vibes from someone, though--hello, Ishy!

 

I... believe I just contradicted myself in my own post.

 

I really don't know what to do. I get the feeling that Mynd, Nolder, AND Basel may all be town. (Basel though, ehhhh, he's a newbie so it's been seriously hard to get a read on him for me)

 

The one post where she managed to decide definitively that someone was suspicious wasn't followed up by a vote.

 

When it was down to the wire on D1 between the Basel train and the Mynd train, this series of posts set off a serious alarm in my head:

 

... I would rather not join on the Mynd lynch, thank you very much. This bandwagon reeks of something terrible.

 

(snipped)

 

I really do get a feeling that Mynd is town, guys. I've been getting the stronger town reads from Nolder and Mynd all game. If they both end up being mafia, I'm going to eat my shirt, I swear.

 

(snipped again for brevity)

 

Wanna see how it works? Lynch me but be sure to hammer!

Oh, there we go.

 

... Well then.

 

 

(snipped)

 

unvote

 

vote mynd

 

oh dear.

 

hoof, you could have waited. I was going to hammer him to prove something about this game and something else, in case he was telling the truth, but I was kinda hoping for the right moment.

 

Oh well

 

I don't like this. I don't like it at all. Granted, Hoof rushing in to hammer worked out better, all things considered. But this last minute "I don't like this train, I really think Mynd is town" followed by "oh, you didn't have to hammer, I was going to do it!" just jumped off the page as scummy.

 

With Hoof flipping scum, I'm not sure whether this was a distancing ploy with Hoof as the agreed-on sacrifice, or whether it was Levity trying to stall in order to draw a townie in to be the hammer vote... and Hoof rushed in without discussing and coordinating the move. That would be a god-awful lack of communication on the scum side, though.

 

Nolder: I still can't wrap my brain around his D1 tunneling on Red. Others find his request for PMs to back up BG's reveal suspicious, but I can see the logic in that for the most part, so that doesn't really worry me. Even if he was trying to get a list of the people BG PM'd, I'm really not sure what he could have done with that information. Even if he were to find out everyone BG PM'd, that doesn't mean BG actually trusted everyone he PM'd, or that everyone who PM'd Nolder would trust him.

 

What worries me about him is what I can't explain logically, and the Red fixation I just... can't. If he's town, his case was too shaky compared to the later trains on BG, Basel and Mynd, and he should have let go of his "but Red is more dangerous" obsession. If he's scum, he's just screaming "look at me, I'm scummy!", which also... just... makes no sense (unless as Red suggests, he's not afraid of the cop... but he should be afraid of a lynch, right?).

 

The interactions between Nol and Hoof have been quoted at length in other WoTs so I won't repeat all that work, and those concern me also, given what we know about Hoof. Distancing... defending... distancing... It looks like a complicated dance and I think Hoof's decision to play with explosives may have tripped Nolder up. Nolder appears to be the other best bet for scum IMO.

 

Red: In the whole tangle with Nolder, I'm inclined to believe she's more likely an innocent victim than playing some elaborate distancing game with him. Her WoTs are definitely insightful and comprehensive. I think she's putting in a lot of effort on the town side here. Current read: likely town.

 

Turin: Still hasn't said much in this game. He's been mentioned a lot, especially as part of distancing and linking ploys with confirmed or suspected mafia. He may also be an innocent victim in all of this. I'd really, really like to hear more from him.

 

At this point, it's a close call, but Basel is edging out Nolder right now because of his super defensive reactions. Vote Basel

[Red2111]

damn i thought i quoted Ishy's vote on Mynd and lack of an explination, but i also agree thats about the scummiest vote on Mynds train.

 

 

Aemon, is there a deadline? so far as i see, it's only Hammer right now

[Songstress]

Aemon, is there a deadline? so far as i see, it's only Hammer right now

 

See below - that's the latest I've seen...

 

Day dawns. You all look around, surprised to see that no one is missing. What could have gone on during the night, you all wonder?

 

It is now Day 2. Deadline: http://www.timeanddate.com/counters/fullscreen.html?mode=a&year=2012&month=02&day=13&hour=11&min=00&sec=00&p0=234

 

Deadline extended to Monday.

[Amadine]

I'd prefer a Basel lynch obviously but i can get behind the case for Nol since that appears to be where we are heading. I think this will be L-1

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE NOLDER

[Red2111]

thanks songstress, i was looking at the VC and it wasn't linked so i got confuse a bit. i confuse easy though *goes in search of a hot cup of coffee*

[aemonkristen]

4 1/2 hors to deadline.

[bgrishinko]

Alright folks, here's the quick rundown.

 

Nolder and I have been PMing a bit back and forth. He's been very buddy buddy with me wanting to know everyone I PM'd. I've been trying to act trusting of him and have revealed some "things" to him to let him know I "trust" him, however, he has been less than forthcoming about his own position. His whole plan about having others PM him was a bit odd in my sight, but I thought I could use it to gain some more facts from Nolder, so I didn't say anything against it.

 

Currently I think that Nolder is trying to play me for info. Trying to stay on my good side. I've gotten some info from him, which may be able to help us if he flips scum. I have some other reasons why I think he might not town, but sufficient to say I'm willing to ...

 

Unvote: Vote Nolder.

[Sakaea]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Basel (1) -- Songstress

 

Nolder (6) -- Aemon, Basel, Red, Turin, Ama, BG

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

 

That's a lynch. Scene incoming.

[Sakaea]

"It must be him!" you all cried. Without a word, Nolder suddenly shapeshifted. "Oh, it must be? Come and get some then!" He tried to shapeshift again, but appeared to get stuck between forms. "What....what's happening?" All of a sudden he clutched his head, and fell.

 

Nolder, Mystique, Mafia Roleblocker, has been lynched.

 

It is now Night 2. You have 48 hours from this post to get in your NAs. Sooner is better!

[Red2111]

outstanding though we really need to pick up the activity in this game guys. way too close to the deadline for my liking.

 

 

[Basel Gill]

Excellent job. That's 2 scum down, and there can't be all that many more to go.

[Levity]

Ugh, finally, DM is working. Good thing I was able to save my post; the site crashed right when I clicked the post button. x:

 

 

Oh, that sucks. My read on Nolder was completely wrong.

 

Also, hi guys, sorry I wasn't here on D2. When I came up to post this, the website was receiving too much traffic or something and I had to wait a little. Allow me to address something really quickly:

 

I don't like this. I don't like it at all. Granted, Hoof rushing in to hammer worked out better, all things considered. But this last minute "I don't like this train, I really think Mynd is town" followed by "oh, you didn't have to hammer, I was going to do it!" just jumped off the page as scummy.

I PM'd Mynd about a few things regarding my role. Granted, he got hammered by Hoof before I could get an answer from him, which was a pity, and I suppose was both a good AND bad move on the scum side. When I said "I wanted to prove a few things about this game," well, I actually would rather keep my reasoning for that secret considering my plan became moot after D1 ended.

 

I suppose I look completely terrible after Nolder's flip, but again, I tend to get pretty inconsistent like that and it's just something that happens (lol this game). So far, I've gotten only town reads from people, which is unusual and kind of worrying me. The mafia actually knows some things regarding my character because I trusted Nolder a bit too much.

 

My style clashes with communities sometimes because I can get fairly erratic with my opinions earlygame, and I tend to skip over my posts when I re-read because my mind changes incredibly rapidly and treating some of the things I said before as if they existed seems superfluous to me. I actually don't even remember half of those things, though

 

With Hoof flipping scum, I'm not sure whether this was a distancing ploy with Hoof as the agreed-on sacrifice, or whether it was Levity trying to stall in order to draw a townie in to be the hammer vote... and Hoof rushed in without discussing and coordinating the move. That would be a god-awful lack of communication on the scum side, though.

is quite silly, because my philosophy has always been a fervent you do not hammer any type of bomb claim as scum. I think it's rather fortunate that Hoof was scum and had the guts to do that, so I figured any former plan of mine wasn't nearly as brilliant and lucky for town as that was. My plan also required Nolder being town, which... did not work out either, so! He always confuses me because every game he's aggressive like that, although I should have paid a lot more attention to his "I'm glad at least someone thinks I'm town" remarks, because those did ping me a little, but I disregarded them. I'll be more careful next time.

 

Side note: This means Red is probably town. I know this isn't necessarily true, but it's most likely.

 

Since it seems pointless to keep this a secret at least (because the mafia already knows this), I’m Gambit. This is all I told Nolder in PM, but I told him because he appeared pretty upset about Red (I didn’t truly believe she was softclaiming Gambit, but I told him anyway just in case things developed later on and that information was needed by someone). Again, I did not tell him my role. I did tell Mynd my role, and he took that to the grave with him.

 

Joking around in the night phase is something I do sometimes because where I come from, game information discussion at night is illegal, and I’m unused to being serious during the night phases.

 

Nolder and Mynd were the two people I trusted in this game the most. Now that I’m here again I could try actually hunting for other reads (after Nolder’s flip I’m going to read Red as the towniest player right now, and I won’t question that at the moment). Tee hee, I could make so many puns with ‘gambit’ considering how many risks I’ve taken this game.

 

To Red: I don’t like the implications that I would be so obvious as to buddy up to Nolder like that if I were scum. It really miffs me when people assume I am that absentminded so as to defend my fellow partner and mingle around with him when it was glaringly clear he was going to get lynched, as it is merely going to make me look horrendous in the long run. Believe what you will, but this is a pet peeve of mine. I didn’t lie about this in Wombat’s game when I got upset at Mynd, haha. I can understand buddying up to a partner that the town believes is townish anyway, despite the risks… but this? This is silly. It’s really silly. As a good friend of mine once said, “rule two of mafia: people don’t willingly claim mafia.” (unless they’re sore losers, of course)

 

Just a heads up, I might be slightly less active tomorrow and Wednesday. I’ll answer any and all questions asked while I read over day two.

[Nolder]

looks like you guys lynched me while I was gone

uhh ok

good luck team

[Levity]

Oh, I didn't vote after I voted Mynd.

 

Yeah, because the vote on Mynd was a jokevote and I think an interaction between him and another player was what got me to get town vibes from him--it wasn't necessarily the role that he kept breadcrumbing and hinting at. I still PM'd him my role, though, because I had kind of a thought involving Basel's claim and wanted to test it out. I don't really want to explain that at the moment, since it would require me to claim and I would rather not do that right now.

 

Anyhow, I didn't vote because I honestly just haven't had any solid reads since Mynd flipped town and now I'm pretty disgruntled over the Nolder thing. That's a bad habit of mine too that I haven't really fixed yet.

[Sakaea]

Ishy and Amega, if you do not post in the next day phase, you will be replaced.

[Songstress]

Yeahhhh, that was really quiet around here over the weekend. Got too close to deadline for comfort. I had to get up early to work OT this morning, and didn't have time to check in before work, then the site went down before I got home.

 

Once it was back up, at least it was good news :D

[aemonkristen]

2 scum in 2 days. Awesome. I'm going to do a reread later tonight an post my thoughts probably before tomorrow morning.

[John E. Kelley]

Ishy and Amega, if you do not post in the next day phase, you will be replaced.

Sorry mum, won't happen again.

[amegakure]

Im here...coulda swore a pm got sent ur way

[Sakaea]

Nope, but you're here now. Thank you.