[Advanced] Lily's Mythical Beings Mafia

[LilyElizabeth]

That's good news, Em. I'm glad to hear it.

[LilyElizabeth]

Meesh will be replacing Leelou.

[mmeeshal]

Checking in, am in the process of doing a readthrough of the thread, so I'll post thoughts if I have any when I'm done reading, and if not, well, you'll hear from me when I have something to say.

[Kathleen]

So sorry for kinda disappearing there guys. The last four days were 'family' days as my husband was off work and decided to pay some attention to us, so finding time to come on was hard. Today I was gone almost all day. I had a baby shower from 12-4 and then a shoot from 5-7 and then a 2 hour drive home. I'm in now, but its after 9 and I'm beat. I'm going to bed and I'll catch up tomorrow. I should be more active now that I have all that stuff out of the way and I'm dead in another game. *shakes fist at Red*

[Minuet]

You say less then 24 hours. However, if people turn in their stuff quickly then the game doesn't stall.

[mmeeshal]

Okay, I'm all caught up, and I do have some thoughts, but nothing pressing, and I want to see what the results of night phase are before drawing any hard-and-fast conclusions. You never know what might change during the night, so I think that's why people don't discuss as much then.

 

So I totally get where Min's coming from; discussion is more of a day thing, and if people take a while on their NAs, while not necessarily a terrible thing, it can cause the game to drag a bit for a while.

[ed2funy]

btw, what the HELL is Rule 14?!

[John E. Kelley]

btw, what the HELL is Rule 14?!

 

I've wondered this many times as well.

[mmeeshal]

I think we should start a "What on earth is rule #14?" club.

[ed2funy]

*joins in*

[mmeeshal]

*rattles a tin of badges under Ed's nose* They say S.P.E.W., not SPEW....

 

Er, wait, wrong story. >.>

 

They read, "WTHi14,Y?"

[LilyElizabeth]

Rule #14 was started by John McClane (Ape) in his Battlestar Galactica game on Jet Nation. It's not PG-13, so I can't tell you here, but you could PM me. It's kind of a running joke between those of us who know.

[Blackhoof]

sorry about my inactivity. i went to my dads place and the reception was bad so the internet on my phone was playing up, meaning i couldnt log on >.<

 

i am back though, so i shall comment for the last few days-

 

A townie would have stated town in their reveal IMO

 

UNVOTE

VOTE HYBRID

 

this applies to everyone who used this reason to vote hybrid : that is... a very silly reason to vote someone. "he is scummy", "i think he is lying" or "what an obviously mafia role, so he must be mafia WIFOMing us" are good reasons to vote someone.... semantics is not. dont get me wrong- even had i been able to, i wouldn't of moved my vote.

 

wait no

guys

roleblocker doesn't have to be mafia

it's just more suited to being mafia

a townie roleblocker implies a more powerful mafia

I really don't think we need kill hybrid

if he's town I don't think the mafia can afford to leave him alive

also look at the reasons being given for these votes

a lot of this is pure BW

you know mafia has to be on this lynch

they wouldn't bus their roleblocker this easily

 

I don't know what case there is if any against des so I'm sorry

call this bandwagoning if you want but it's done with the intent to save our roleblocker from being lynched

Unvote: Barm

Vote: Des

 

hopefully some of you will come to your senses and switch

 

hmmmmmmm

 

translation of everything Nolder has said from here until Hybrid was lynched: excellent, a townie is going down even though he claimed! i shall jump to his defence since no matter what i say we are too close to deadline to lynch someone else and he will be lynched in favour of a random. what a good way to make myself look innocent even thouh i am not and am actually mafia/cult/SK!

 

As a town roleblocker he is only useful if he gets lucky and blocks scum, but has a high likelyhood of blocking a role that is beneficial to the town instead.

funny

you could almost say the same thing about a doctor minus the part about having a high likelyhood of blocking a town kill since those aren't as common

 

and speaking of the likelyhood of blocking a townie vs scum it depends on a lot of factors so I don't know that it's actually fair to say it has a high likelyhood

it's true town outnumbers scum but there's no reason town POWER ROLES have to outnumber scums, especially in an advanced game

also taking into consideration that roleblocker is one of towns power roles (hypothetical of course) and it might even be more likely that the roleblocker would hit a scum power role

but then we have to factor in the individual players and how they've played because the decision of who to roleblock is not 100% random

 

so uhh

yeah

I don't agree or disagree with what you said

I think it's something we can't really determine one way or another in a game this size

 

comparing a town roleblocker with a doctor?

 

silly silly nolder, you know better than that.

 

town power roles normally wouldnt outnumber scum, but they normally outnumber SCUM power roles.

 

a town roleblocker is not really useful unless a really scummy player (that for some reason HASNT been lynched yet) HAPPENS to be mafia in the blockers opinion and HAPPENS to have a role and isnt a goon.

 

doctor can protect people that are confirmed or claimed town roles, which are not hunted by the town (knowingly) and can survive more than a day without being lynched by the town (which suspected scum cannot)

 

Sorry that that last post was a bit harsh. I was tired, not in a particularly good mood, and I hate being voted off for lame reasons.

 

Btw, I have seen scum (using scum here as universal evil) claim scum . . . but only in situations where being that scum requires staying alive or coordinating a plan with the other scum factions. Example: claim serial killer because mafia is close to a win, and the serial killer needs to be kept alive.

 

So yes, town was quite obviously implied in my reveal.

 

Barm's reason is solid (though he should know I'm a good enough player to not fire away wildly with a roleblocking power as town). If I'd lived, I'd either have holstered or blocked Despothera.

 

you had plenty of time to say right out you were a TOWN roleblocker. implying isnt good enough when people are clearly ready to lynch on a semantic point.

 

Final Vote count:

 

Hybrid (11) – Red, Vam, Ed, Des, Key, Raena, Tina, Lee, Ama, Barm, Karas

Des (5) – Min, Lanth, Hy, Nolder, Sakaea

Ishy (1) – Hoof

Karas (1) – Kat

 

 

Not voting – Verb, Ishy

 

With 20 alive it takes 11 to lynch. Deadline Saturday 8 PM MST.

 

um.... why am i still voting ishy? i unvoted after he revealed. is this a Mod error or is someone playing with my vote? just curious.

 

All day long fingers were pointed and accusations flew. At one point, the arguing got so heated that shouts were heard, causing a startled flock of birds to flee from the tree they had been roosting in. It was Ishmael, a lot of people were sure. He was one of the evil ones. They nearly hung him before he shouted “No, I am here to find the evil ones” and many believed him, or at least gave him the benefit of the doubt. Eventually, it came down to two. Was it Despothera or Hybrid? One of them must be evil. But which one?

 

Eventually, the majority chose Hybrid. But how to kill him? Eventually, it was decided to tie him up (no easy task) and throw him off the cliff into the lake. Hopefully, he would drown.

 

 

Hybrid, Dragon, Town roleblocker, has been lynched.

 

It is now night 1. Please send your night actions in promptly. Deadline Monday 12pm MST.

 

not criticizing your role/character-mathing skills but.... how does a dragon block people? they can breathe fire and eat people, they dont seem to be able to restrain people or block magic or what-not like a roleblocker could.

 

oh man that feels good

I mean it's crappy that you guys killed our roleblocker (and it is true that they can be just as harmful as useful if used improperly (the same can be said of a vig)) but this is one of the most satisfying "I told you so"'s I've ever had

partially because I wasn't 100% sure Hybrid was innocent

the case against him was decent and that had me worried

but the quick bandwagon with the reasoning that he didn't state he was town was a huge tipoff that this was a mafia lynch

so yeah

that's all I've got to say about that

RIP Hybrid

 

oh also one more thing

how in the heck did we manage to tie up a dragon anyway let alone pick him up and throw him off a cliff

maybe he was a small dragon I dunno

 

oh nolder, as if you didnt know Hybrid was town. you and your mafia teammates DO know who all the town are, remember?

 

you were the ONLY one defending hybrid- and you did it so vehemently, despite the reasonably case agaisnt him.

 

that means that you were- miraculously- the only town to see through how scummy hybrid acted or you had inside information (ie: information that scum possess). i favour the latter.

 

Well, crap, you people lynched the town role blocker. Sorry about that Hybrid.

 

Oh, when I stated that Ishy needed to reveal, I don't want roles revealed of course. Just scum and not scum. The scum knows who they are. Duh! Why can't we know when he views someone? I don't mind him sharing if he views me. Are you all getting worried or something?

 

oh please, i didnt see you jumping to his defence like Nolder did.

 

Well, poo.

 

Ishy, hide for the night. :D

Seriously, someone protect that boy.

 

 

directing the doctor to an admittedly obvious target?

 

mildly scummy, since it reduces the possible WIFOM for the mafia... if it ever existed :P

 

Um bro... ew.

 

 

what? nothings wrong with homosexuality. even virtual homosexuality

[ed2funy]

bahahahahahahaha

[Verbal32]

Many people have claimed mafia.

sorry maybe I wasn't clear

 

show me the evidence

link me to some posts from past games you've been in where someone claimed mafia

and not as an "oh I give up, good game guys" kind of thing

I mean I want to see someone who claimed they were mafia with a purpose

 

has it happened? maybe...maybe...

but if it has I strongly doubt that it's even half as common as you seem to be applying

this is something I have never seen in mafia and to be frank it's kind of idiotic unless you're either a role that has some kind of function on death or you're drawing attention to yourself to save a teammate

there is no other good reason to do this and honestly I don't even know that those reasons are good

 

claiming town is unnecessary because people do not claim mafia

prove me wrong

 

I agree with you. It hardly ever happens. I did it myself in about 3 games on MJ a couple of years ago, but it was a wild save-my-behind gambit. Worked for a while it one, and not so much in the others, hehe.

 

 

 

 

Sorry that that last post was a bit harsh. I was tired, not in a particularly good mood, and I hate being voted off for lame reasons.

 

Btw, I have seen scum (using scum here as universal evil) claim scum . . . but only in situations where being that scum requires staying alive or coordinating a plan with the other scum factions. Example: claim serial killer because mafia is close to a win, and the serial killer needs to be kept alive.

 

So yes, town was quite obviously implied in my reveal.

 

Barm's reason is solid (though he should know I'm a good enough player to not fire away wildly with a roleblocking power as town). If I'd lived, I'd either have holstered or blocked Despothera.

 

Which was exactly my context for doing it on MJ. Foiled by Kivam, of all people. Jerk!

 

 

 

 

Aiel post raid party... Lily, can you just delete it?

No, but Verbal can. Go ahead, Verb, if you would.

 

Eh, I think it's funny! I vote leave it! But really, if you want me to, I can. :-/

 

 

 

 

Well, crap, you people lynched the town role blocker. Sorry about that Hybrid.

 

Oh, when I stated that Ishy needed to reveal, I don't want roles revealed of course. Just scum and not scum. The scum knows who they are. Duh! Why can't we know when he views someone? I don't mind him sharing if he views me. Are you all getting worried or something?

 

YOU people?! Sorry to Hybrid?! Way to come off as super scummy mcscummerson, Min.

[Niniel]

Lol

Everyone have already seen it. I could use it to promote the Aiel post raid party instead. Ha, ha.

[Red2111]

got caught up.

 

i stand by my vote on Hybrid, Ama's case summed it up nicely. the fact that he ignored questions directed to him was scummy, point blank. also, FoS at anoyon who voted for Hybrid based on the "Roleblocker is normally scum" theory. i know Ama used this reasoning, but her later case kinda clear her from the FoS imo. i'll go back and dig up the people i'm FoSing over this later.

 

 

now for the WoT

 

 

 

so why dont you guys stop focusing on where my vote is and realize the fact that i'm not pushing for the No lynch and put our combined effort into sniffing out the scumsters that are likely on my vote. i'm betting atleast one couldn't help themselves but to pile on what looked like such an easy "legit" lynch.

 

Whoa. This is what I like to call a major backpeddle. You say you voted No Lynch (like Lanth likes to do), but only did it for reaction (like Mynd likes to do)?? Is that what your stance is?

 

But before you were pretty firm on your reasons. Somebody making that vote for "beating the grass to startle the snakes" reasons would not be as firm as you were in your arguments. Methinks you've overstepped again here, Kingslayer. ;-)

 

it isn't backpeddling, it's explaining my motives. yes, my stance is that i voted the No Lynch purely for reactions. i actually do believe in a No Lynch being benefical and a tool that can be used to gather info; why is it so questionable to use a No Lynch vote to beat the grass when the no Lynch debate is such a good stick to stir the pot with??

 

 

btw, rule #14 verb, rule #14

 

Well, I was gonna call her MiniApe, but Kingslayer is better.

 

and you can go rule #14 as well

 

An early attempt to start a Barm bandwagon by making the third vote on page 1 would be bad enough, but then your late vote on Red made it a little too obvious. It was plain that there was going to be plenty of us making fos's in her direction, and it was so easy as to be lazy to jump on a Red wagon. And her whole "No Lynch" vote is nowhere near scummy as far as I can tell, just something to kickstart the game and get some reads on our reactions, to which I say, Mission Accomplished Red.

 

these points on Des are spot on imo. even though Desp goes on to argue his side better than Ishy, i still think it's a good idea to keep this voting record in mind.

 

 

Well, after reading the back-and-forth between Ishy and Des, Ishy seems scummier and scummier to me. So, I am going to UNVOTE AND VOTE ISHY for appearing to rule skim, and just giving off a generaly scummy feeling the longer he argues with Des.

 

i agree with this.

 

but i'm also keeping in mind that Des is a good arguer. if Des is scum, and a better arguer that Ishy, it would be easy for desp to wrap ishy back up in his own words. i've had scum do that to me as well *looks at Verb & Barm*

 

Maybe Ishy and Des are both mafia and are quaking in their boots cause we already have them both pegged. I have seen it happen before.

 

wow Min, nice WIFOM there. why not just go ahead and accuse them of puling a gambit instead of just hinting at it.

 

 

 

Interesting, Ishy. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt...for now. UNVOTE

 

I'll check to see what's happened over night first thing in the morning.

 

This unvote stinks.

 

If Ishamael flips scum, I'd be looking at you next.

 

this.

 

 

Incidentally, if Ishy is scum after all, by having a doctor target him it opens the door for a potential scum watcher to figure out who the doc is. Even if they don't kill the doc after that, they could RB them while they kill off other townies.

 

Just throwin that out there.

 

Breadcrumbing your future role claim, Des? ;-)

 

this as well, or fishing for a claim

 

 

Actually I'm tempted to just hammer myself.....

 

I'm the finder, but since you forced me to reveal, even if I do survive the day phase, scum will just NK me tonight, so kudos to all of you for forcing my hand.

 

I tremendously dislike this post.

 

The amount of pique is over the top . . . tempted to believe that it's a fake claim, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.

 

i second this. aside from the fact that you can't hammer yourself; as a finder, why on earth wudl you even consider hammering yourself just to say "Told you so" not to mention, blamming us because you've acted scummy is poor form. it's your own fualt you had to reveal; just liek it woudl have been my own fault if my No Lynch stunt woudl have gotten me lynched.

 

 

Hybrid, do you not understand what I'm saying? If the mafia KNOW who the healer will be targeting, by watching his target they will find out who the healer is. I'm not saying I def think Ishy is scum still, but I'm still wary of him. But do you not get how his reveal as finder could be just a clever attempt to out the doctor?! And even if he isn't scum, the mafia can still watch him and find the doctor, so the best thing for us to do is to raise a WIFOM for mafia so they don't know for sure if the healer will protect Ishy or not, lowering the chances they'll watch him.

 

You saying that post stinks frankly makes you ping harder. I'm not trying to convince people one way or another, I'm helping to throw the trail off Ishy a little bit to possibly protect our healer. Explain to me how that stinks, please.

 

Oh and for anyone wondering if I can be pressured to reveal my role before being lynched, bad news is you wont get one from me. I'm pure vanilla townie this time. Just want to say that now since I am the leading vote getter and might be busy tonight. But I still don't quite understand the case against me, it just seems I'm being pressured because I've been active. I haven't waffled, I've stated the reason for every one of my moves, and at the risk of getting Lanth to post a novel discussing the merits of the term, I believe all of my moves so far have been pro-town.

 

you know, i've read this post a few times, and each time i can't help but think that your advocating that it would be better to get rid of the revealed finder because of possible scum roles. which is scummy.

 

 

oh man that feels good

I mean it's crappy that you guys killed our roleblocker (and it is true that they can be just as harmful as useful if used improperly (the same can be said of a vig)) but this is one of the most satisfying "I told you so"'s I've ever had

partially because I wasn't 100% sure Hybrid was innocent

the case against him was decent and that had me worried

but the quick bandwagon with the reasoning that he didn't state he was town was a huge tipoff that this was a mafia lynch

so yeah

that's all I've got to say about that

RIP Hybrid

 

this post reeks. you pointedly stayed on Desp vote, which could have cost us the majority; then you come out directly with a "You guys suck" type post after Hybrids death. this post and yuou actions of not getting on Hybrids vote, as well as a lock of a clear reason for voting Dewp stink of scum trying to distance form the vote and trying to appear town.

 

 

Oh, when I stated that Ishy needed to reveal, I don't want roles revealed of course. Just scum and not scum. The scum knows who they are. Duh! Why can't we know when he views someone? I don't mind him sharing if he views me. Are you all getting worried or something?

 

this makes no sense. when you state you want a person to reveal, generally its taken as a "role" reveal. aside fromt eh fact Ishy had already stated many times that he wasn't scum. besides the fact, if a person reveals "i'm innocent" generally the next push is for a role reveal because no one is gonna claim scum.

 

FoS @ Min over the two things i've quoted.

 

 

Not a regular finder, no. I'm a supermegasexyawesome finder.

 

But seriously, as far as I know, a regular one yes.

 

it's supermegafoxyawesomehot my fellow StarKid

 

 

Ed, what did you do to our finder? Did you give him super powers or something? Hope he doesn't get too many of those helping him.

 

your the only one to respond to Ed's statement of using a power on Hybrid, fishing much.

 

 

btw, FoS @ Ed over that statement. it was odd and seemed like you were drawings attention to yourself on purpose.

[Red2111]

Well, crap, you people lynched the town role blocker. Sorry about that Hybrid.

 

Oh, when I stated that Ishy needed to reveal, I don't want roles revealed of course. Just scum and not scum. The scum knows who they are. Duh! Why can't we know when he views someone? I don't mind him sharing if he views me. Are you all getting worried or something?

 

YOU people?! Sorry to Hybrid?! Way to come off as super scummy mcscummerson, Min.

 

 

so let me get this straight. you FoS Min over her death postcause she blames others for Hybrids death, yet Nol did the same thing and you neglect to FoS him over it.

 

 

FoS @ Verb for fickle FoS flinging

[Verbal32]

so why dont you guys stop focusing on where my vote is and realize the fact that i'm not pushing for the No lynch and put our combined effort into sniffing out the scumsters that are likely on my vote. i'm betting atleast one couldn't help themselves but to pile on what looked like such an easy "legit" lynch.

 

Whoa. This is what I like to call a major backpeddle. You say you voted No Lynch (like Lanth likes to do), but only did it for reaction (like Mynd likes to do)?? Is that what your stance is?

 

But before you were pretty firm on your reasons. Somebody making that vote for "beating the grass to startle the snakes" reasons would not be as firm as you were in your arguments. Methinks you've overstepped again here, Kingslayer. ;-)

 

it isn't backpeddling, it's explaining my motives. yes, my stance is that i voted the No Lynch purely for reactions. i actually do believe in a No Lynch being benefical and a tool that can be used to gather info; why is it so questionable to use a No Lynch vote to beat the grass when the no Lynch debate is such a good stick to stir the pot with??

 

 

btw, rule #14 verb, rule #14

 

Lub you too, heh. But you've been buying what Lanth has been selling, it appears. Can a No Lynch gather info? Sure. Can it gather as much info as a town-directed lynch after competing trains? Simply, no. And THAT is why I hate the No Lynch.

 

 

 

Well, crap, you people lynched the town role blocker. Sorry about that Hybrid.

 

Oh, when I stated that Ishy needed to reveal, I don't want roles revealed of course. Just scum and not scum. The scum knows who they are. Duh! Why can't we know when he views someone? I don't mind him sharing if he views me. Are you all getting worried or something?

 

YOU people?! Sorry to Hybrid?! Way to come off as super scummy mcscummerson, Min.

 

 

so let me get this straight. you FoS Min over her death postcause she blames others for Hybrids death, yet Nol did the same thing and you neglect to FoS him over it.

 

 

FoS @ Verb for fickle FoS flinging

 

Did I miss it with Nolder? If so, then my bad - I'll have to look back, unless you can point me in the right direction. But my FOS stands - it's a scumtell.

[Minuet]

I wasn't on-line when the Hybrid revealed. Hence why I didn't defend him. I would have been upset if I had also voted for him.

[LilyElizabeth]

Sorry if I messed up with your vote, Hoof. It would have been just my mistake.

[LilyElizabeth]

Each of you settles in to pass the long night. Some of you decide to stay awake all night, but eventually sleep claims you. Just before sunrise, a loud, keening wail is heard that sends chills down your back and makes your hair stand on end. Trying to discover what is going on, you run to the source of the sound. You see nothing unusual – nothing out of place. You look around and notice that nearly everyone was woken and has gathered – everyone but the pixie lying on the ground. She isn’t breathing. You examine her, but cannot find a single thing wrong – except that she is dead.

 

 

TinaHel, pixie, roleless townie, has been nightkilled

 

It is now Day 2. Deadline will be Wednesday at 8PM MST.

[Minuet]

Okay, you all witnessed it!! Lily admitted she made a mistake! *Runs off to mark day down in history.*

[Karasayl]

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[Red2111]

anyone have a mirror handy??

 

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