[Basic] Mafia with Quibby- GAME OVER

[csarmi]

Nolder, we're playing a very different game then. If I was scum and I was given the oppurtunity to trade myself for the healer, Id do that in a heartbeat. Especially if said healer was Red (or even if it was leelou).

[bgrishinko]

Nolder, we're playing a very different game then. If I was scum and I was given the oppurtunity to trade myself for the healer, Id do that in a heartbeat. Especially if said healer was Red (or even if it was leelou).

 

Good point. Red + Power Role = Greedy Mafia Target

[Red2111]

no it wouldn't

we lose healer but we kill mafia

that's a great deal

 

it's only a great deal if you scum. losing me would be a big blow, especially in a basic game Nol.

 

 

but killing you would be stupid of them

they just sacrifice leelou in that case

it makes no sense to self protect

 

they've sacrificed leelou anyways, and getting me ou of the picture is their aim; other wise, why would there have been a CC on me. they'd just rather i was lynched, that way they don't have to waste a NK.

 

and it makes pefect sense to self protect; the only time it doesn't is when theres another power role revealed, like the finder. and even then, because i'm revealed also, you don't know who'd i'd protect and i'd prefer to leave it thatway.

 

stop tryign to direct my NA Nol, or put out there who you think i might or might not protect; especially if your scum. as i said, your taking away my only real weapon against the scum!

 

 

Nolder, we're playing a very different game then. If I was scum and I was given the oppurtunity to trade myself for the healer, Id do that in a heartbeat. Especially if said healer was Red (or even if it was leelou).

 

this applys to most power roles and in most games imo. if i was scum, i'd be salavating to get rid of a claimed healer, this way there was nothign to block my NK.

[Red2111]

gah that should say "especially it your town"

 

 

my fingers just don't move as fast as my thoughts sometimes

[Sakaea]

I agree with Nolder. We shouldn't lynch either claimed doc, and I also find BG's quick vote scummy. Yes, something needs to be done here, but lynching either leelou or Red isn't it, IMHO.

 

Krak still has the most votes, and he claimed vanilla town. The question is, do we believe him?

[Krakalakachkn]

Yes, I think we do.

[csarmi]

I'm glad to hear that you believe yourself Krak :)

[amegakure]

so yell at me if you will but this is how i see it. we didnt want a counter claim but we got one. now i think that a majority lynch needs to be decided between them otherwise the town will be split with one side being toys for the mafia. Yes a loss of healer would hurt bad. but mafia know them both and they will target them most likely.

[Krakalakachkn]

As only I could.

[Quibby]

Ishmael (1): Christine

Krak (5): Kate,Tiinker, JLM, csarmi, Nolder,

bg (1):Jack

Red (2): Amegakure, leelou

leelou (2): Red, bg

 

Deadline is Thursday, 11 August at 2 pm Central.

 

[bgrishinko]

so yell at me if you will but this is how i see it. we didnt want a counter claim but we got one. now i think that a majority lynch needs to be decided between them otherwise the town will be split with one side being toys for the mafia. Yes a loss of healer would hurt bad. but mafia know them both and they will target them most likely.

 

 

Exactly. Call it a quick vote. I thought it over for a while... at least 10 minutes or so.

[bhskeeper11]

Wow! I keep up with this day after day with no real changes, then I go out to lunch and come back to a bazillion posts.

 

Anyway, after a read through...

 

Y'all's different theories have my brain upside down. At this point, without any kind of further evidence, Red and leelou are equally as likely to be lying in my opinion. Thus, I agree with Nolder's idea that we should lynch neither until we have something more to go on.

 

However, Nolder, I feel like I am getting two differing opinions from you. On one hand, you seem to want to leave them both alone. On the other, you say that killing one is worth getting the other. Toss that in with the whole "what should the healer do" bit and it's just confusing to read through the lines to what you think we should do.

 

I also noticed that Krak has been quiet (as in, unopinionated) since the focus of attention turned away from him. This seems suspicious and, thus, I am keeping my vote with Krak for now (or, at least until I see more either way from Red or Leelou.)

[Nolder]

Nolder, we're playing a very different game then. If I was scum and I was given the oppurtunity to trade myself for the healer, Id do that in a heartbeat. Especially if said healer was Red (or even if it was leelou).

it's only a great deal if you scum. losing me would be a big blow, especially in a basic game Nol.

I disagree

I've never actually seen a doctor protect correctly in a forum game

as far as I'm concerned you might as well be vanilla unless you protect correctly

which wont happen if you self protect but that leads me into my second part...

 

and it makes pefect sense to self protect; the only time it doesn't is when theres another power role revealed, like the finder. and even then, because i'm revealed also, you don't know who'd i'd protect and i'd prefer to leave it thatway.

what part of they aren't going to kill you don't you get?

there is no real advantage to sacrificing one of their members at this point

 

that's why it was an incredibly odd play in the first place

I have to imagine you're the scum and you wanted to out the doc as you were dying

worst case is you get lynched anyway

 

stop tryign to direct my NA Nol, or put out there who you think i might or might not protect; especially if your scum. as i said, your taking away my only real weapon against the scum!

stop pretending like I have any influence over who the doctor actually protects

"only real weapon against the scum"? whatever happened to scumhunting?

[Krakalakachkn]

I've been around, I just don't have anything to say as I watch whether I'm going to be lynched. I've already stated my points.

[Nolder]

However, Nolder, I feel like I am getting two differing opinions from you. On one hand, you seem to want to leave them both alone. On the other, you say that killing one is worth getting the other. Toss that in with the whole "what should the healer do" bit and it's just confusing to read through the lines to what you think we should do.

I can see how you might be confused but remember that I'm advocating not lynching them for now

we don't want to accidentally kill the real doc when we don't have to

and we have a confirmed scum in this pair for later

if they kill the doc and sac their man that's fine

but it's not worth using our lynch on it just yet

if we're in a lylo type situation yes because it's a 50/50 but not now when numbers are still on our side

doc can still protect right (if she's smart and doesn't self protect anyway)

but really it looks like our docs are selfish so I doubt that will happen

[Nolder]

btw let me rephrase that bolded part@red since it isn't quite accurate

 

what part of if they kill you it's a good thing don't you get?

 

as I've stated a few times now we have numbers on our side

there's maybe 3 or 4 scum in this game

losing 1 is a big deal to them, even for a doctor (who might never make an impact on the game even if they survived until the end)

 

by self protecting, and ANNOUNCING IT no less, you'd just be allowing the mafia to kill indiscriminately between the rest of the town

what are you worth if you never protect anyone? what if the cop dies because you didn't try to protect them?

that's just bad play imo and right now my money is on you for being the scum between you and leelou

[bgrishinko]

btw let me rephrase that bolded part@red since it isn't quite accurate

 

what part of if they kill you it's a good thing don't you get?

 

as I've stated a few times now we have numbers on our side

there's maybe 3 or 4 scum in this game

losing 1 is a big deal to them, even for a doctor (who might never make an impact on the game even if they survived until the end)

 

by self protecting, and ANNOUNCING IT no less, you'd just be allowing the mafia to kill indiscriminately between the rest of the town

what are you worth if you never protect anyone? what if the cop dies because you didn't try to protect them?

that's just bad play imo and right now my money is on you for being the scum between you and leelou

 

I get the feeling that no matter what Red says during the day about who it is smart to protect, it means nothing. Red may be in complete agreeance with you, but to throw the mafia off says the opposite, or that could be the way she really thinks... either way... WIFOM

 

There's no use arguing over how a Healer should heal.

[Tiinker]

BG, the fact that you are voting for me right after Red makes me think that you are on a mafia team with her and you would be happy to have the real healer out of the way.

 

Agreed assuming of course that you're the real doc.

 

Unvote Krak

[Christine]

Unvote, Vote Krak. Consolidation. I am ready for Day 1 to be over with so we can get the ball rolling.

[John E. Kelley]

So, um, wow. I hope you know that for a newbie like me this is all just mind-boggling. With both Red and Leelou's claim, I'm assuming that one of them is telling the truth and one isn't (duh). Or they're both lying (huh?). But lynching either right now is bad news me thinks. Far too important a role to lose on Day 1. So that makes me look at anyone who is calling for either of them to be voted. Only one that really stands out is Nolder. And yes, I read all your statements about "not voting them now" or some such, but even bringing it up on Day 1 (yes I get you meant later, not on this particular vote), just makes me a little wary. I don't want to encourage anyone else to start a bandwagon or anything, but as you are the only one that has done anything remotely scummy at this point I will be:

 

Vote Noldor.

 

As I said, I don't want this to go all the way to a bandwagon or consolidation because I'm the new guy and am just going on what seems logical, but if even one of them is telling the truth about their role, then we need to keep them onboard for now and try to ferret out which one is telling the truth before we get rid of the real deal by accident.

[Quibby]

"Umm... Lord Mod? Where in the nine hells did you find a fourteen-sided die?" the angel that standeth at the Right Hand of Mod asked.

 

The Lord Mod shrugged. "I had some dealings with a few nerds once. I hijacked it."

 

The angel cleared his throat. "But, umm... but they never made a fourteen-sided die, did they?"

 

"You realize that I'm an all-powerful being that can create matter at a thought, right?" In demonstration, an anvil appeared out of nowhere, hovered as if it was making a point, then fell from heaven as gravity, somewhat embarrassed by the whole thing, finally caught on. Both the angel and the Lord Mod peered down from heaven as the anvil slowly disappeared towards the village. One looked on in abject horror. The other was giggling.

 

In town, a passing peddler, trying to sell a passing goatherder a sausage inna bun, suddenly found himself suffering a serious case of anvil in the skull. A few seconds passed by, as the goatherder stared in shock. Then, with a shake of his head, the goatherder took the sausage tray and walked away, chewing thoughtfully.

 

"BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!"

 

"Are you sure you're in the right place? I think there's an opening in hell that you should be filling."

 

The laughter abruptly stopped. "Don't get uppity with me, Fred. I've plucked feathers from wings for less." Fiddling the fourteen-sided die through his fingers, the Lord Mod Almighty, looked at the villagers. "Oh, come on... Let me do this... Please?"

[Nolder]

Or they're both lying (huh?).

I have seen mafia do this before

you sacrifice one mafia to clear another

 

however I feel this would be too risky since a third claim (the real doc) would throw a wrench in the plan

 

So that makes me look at anyone who is calling for either of them to be voted. Only one that really stands out is Nolder. And yes, I read all your statements about "not voting them now" or some such, but even bringing it up on Day 1 (yes I get you meant later, not on this particular vote), just makes me a little wary. I don't want to encourage anyone else to start a bandwagon or anything, but as you are the only one that has done anything remotely scummy at this point I will be:

 

Vote Noldor.

 

As I said, I don't want this to go all the way to a bandwagon or consolidation because I'm the new guy and am just going on what seems logical, but if even one of them is telling the truth about their role, then we need to keep them onboard for now and try to ferret out which one is telling the truth before we get rid of the real deal by accident.

well uhhhh we have to lynch one of them at some point

one of them is mafia

so yeah I do want to lynch one but we have plenty of time before we have to do it

 

very odd vote

I'll chalk it up to being a newbie for now I guess

[Red2111]

deadline is approaching fast and we need a consolodation. most of you agree that this should be solved today, yet you keep your votes on krak. i'll move my vote to his closer to the deadline, even though i know leelou is lying.

 

i'd perfer to get a scum today, but a controlled lynch is better than a random one.

 

 

 

Nol - i'm offically ignoring you. your continuing to try and direct who i should and shouldn't protect. and yes, by saying "you shouldn't protect yourself" is directing my actions. which is scummy even with an unrevealed finder. and using "well i've only seen a healer do good in the game RL" doesn't cut it becuase this game is a different beast online and just because you don' have faith in a healer and are willing to sacrfice me doesn't mean thats the right play or even in the best interest for the town.

 

you reek of scum, for both you suggestion and for your blindness towards what the scums goal is. you claim you can't see the benefit of the scum sacrficing one of their own to get rid of me, but want me to not self protect which leaves me directly open for a NK, which i'm the most likely target since the scum knows i'm the true healer. it also gets rid of a "confirmed" innocent which keeps the game in their favor. your a good player Nol, and you faining ignorance on this startegy reeks of a scum manuver

 

 

at this point, i'd be more comfy with a Nol lynch if you guys are against lynching Leelou. i'd perfer to not lynch krak, as i beleive his claim; and between the two, Nols actions are far more scummier than my reason for voting Krak in the first place

 

 

another thing, FoS at all of you who are dragging this issue out. BG is right in that this needs to be solved now, otherwise the scum can use it as a way to continue to create chaos and direct the town. unless you guys want the finder to sort it out. this is something i'd perfer not happen as i'd rather our last power role keep hidden, and to sort it out they'd likely have to reveal with their findings; which plays into the scums hands.

 

 

Krak still has the most votes, and he claimed vanilla town. The question is, do we believe him?

 

i think we can believe him, if he was anything but vanilla i can't see him going down so passively

 

 

However, Nolder, I feel like I am getting two differing opinions from you. On one hand, you seem to want to leave them both alone. On the other, you say that killing one is worth getting the other. Toss that in with the whole "what should the healer do" bit and it's just confusing to read through the lines to what you think we should do.

 

^^ this

 

 

Unvote, Vote Krak. Consolidation. I am ready for Day 1 to be over with so we can get the ball rolling.

 

wow chrissy, way to give your on me and leelou. get the ball rolling, sounds like all you did was skim over and throw your vote on the vote leader.

[Red2111]

btw, anyone else find it odd that jack has been so quiet?? he's been active on DM, but hasn't posted in this game for over 2 days now

[bgrishinko]

btw, anyone else find it odd that jack has been so quiet?? he's been active on DM, but hasn't posted in this game for over 2 days now

 

 

Huh. Totally forgot he was in this game.

 

*nudges Jack*