Mafia Grievances

[RandA lThor]

So many things I want to respond to...

 

you can respond to them if you want, as long as it remains in DM rules you should be fine.

[Nolder]

So many things I want to respond to...

you can respond to them if you want, as long as it remains in DM rules you should be fine.

Please don't lecture me on rules

I've done nothing to deserve it

 

Furthermore the things I want to respond to have to do with the concept of "playing to win" and competitiveness not the spat you all had in the other game

[RandA lThor]

So many things I want to respond to...

you can respond to them if you want, as long as it remains in DM rules you should be fine.

Please don't lecture me on rules

I've done nothing to deserve it

 

Furthermore the things I want to respond to have to do with the concept of "playing to win" and competitiveness not the spat you all had in the other game

 

lecture you on rules? I wasn't trying to... my apologies if it came off like that, I was just trying to say that you can respond to pretty much anything here. And I wasn't trying to tie it in to that other game.

[hazelkrs1]

Nolder is testy tonight yall!

[Nolder]

So many things I want to respond to...

you can respond to them if you want, as long as it remains in DM rules you should be fine.

Please don't lecture me on rules

I've done nothing to deserve it

 

Furthermore the things I want to respond to have to do with the concept of "playing to win" and competitiveness not the spat you all had in the other game

 

lecture you on rules? I wasn't trying to... my apologies if it came off like that, I was just trying to say that you can respond to pretty much anything here. And I wasn't trying to tie it in to that other game.

I'm not sure why you mentioned rules at all then but apology accepted

I plan on trying to address relevant posts in a couple weeks if I can

[RandA lThor]

So many things I want to respond to...

you can respond to them if you want, as long as it remains in DM rules you should be fine.

Please don't lecture me on rules

I've done nothing to deserve it

 

Furthermore the things I want to respond to have to do with the concept of "playing to win" and competitiveness not the spat you all had in the other game

 

lecture you on rules? I wasn't trying to... my apologies if it came off like that, I was just trying to say that you can respond to pretty much anything here. And I wasn't trying to tie it in to that other game.

I'm not sure why you mentioned rules at all then but apology accepted

I plan on trying to address relevant posts in a couple weeks if I can

 

Oh, I just mentioned rules to say that you could basically say anything, since the rules are fairly small. Basically I was just trying to say that you can say pretty much anything.

[cosmicpanda]

My goodness. Guys, remember that mafia is supposed to be fun. No point getting too worked up about it.

[Gabriel Kross]

What is this thing called fun that you speak of?

[Gabriel Kross]

Des, Bg put it in better words than I could have. First I was turned off by the inactivity here. But now it's also the no-holds-barred attitude that people are touting. I believe there should be limits, and they should be respected.

 

Peace, that's why I never mention my illness issues in game, but I was just saying if someone did I'd like to see some slack cut for them. Just some time allowed for them, not letting them off the hook entirely if they were scummy. That would be wrong. And people lying about health issues or real life emergencies and things like that disgusts me. A simple "I can't address this right now, but I'll do it as soon as I can" should be adequate. And then heaven help them if they don't address it later.

 

Des, I'm surprised you didn't know. I've made no secret of it. I'm bipolar, and when I'm leaning toward mania, it's very hard for me to concentrate.

 

I've heard overt references to being bipolar before, but I assumed they were tongue in cheek playful remarks.

 

As for the limits thing, I do think that there is this natural reaction to someone getting offended that everyone then assumes that person is getting emo or getting hyper defensive, when they might honestly have just been offended. In general I think people are too quick to embellish reactions here, I remember when I first started people were constantly saying I was overreacting when I was as calm as can be, but the fact that I'm a bit wordy made some think I was flailing.

 

I really do try to be a little more forgiving of someone if they seem like they are having a legitimate reaction to something that they feel is offensive. But I also think that people take some things defensively when they probably shouldn't. Like I said, when I first started playing mafia here at DM over a year ago the general disclaimer was that you had to have a little bit of thick skin to play. You obviously have some thick skin Lily, you play over at JN (altho they treat women over there ENTIRELY different than they treat guys), so it just kinda seems like there might also be something else here at play.

 

Do you think part of it is that a lot of older players don't play anymore, so you can't enjoy the same level of comfort with everyone?

 

One more thing. I DO kinda feel like the part about people mimicking Red and Mynd's playstyle was in part directed at me. Just gonna say this, I don't think my playstyle mirrors either Red's or Mynd. It prob comes closer to Mynd, but either way I think it's my own. It's basically the same way I played when I played mafia irl. Is it aggressive? Of course. But not all aggressive playstyles are the same. I don't try to be any other player than myself, and I've found it to be fairly effective. There's been many times that I've been wrong about things, but that's why I try to stay away from getting tunnelvision (I'll get to that later).

 

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I said it wasn't directed at you and I can absolutely say again that it was not. I was not thinking of you at all. I definitely was thinking of some specific people when I say that, and I promise you are not one of them. I actually haven't played much with you Des - especially recently, maybe 1 or 2 games? - and I don't have much of a handle on your play style right now. I was thinking more of people I played with on a more regular basis a few months ago, some of who are still playing a lot right now. You did not come to mind.

 

Also, I said Ape, not Mynd. Mynd actually plays in a totally different style, in my opinion. He can be dogged, but I wouldn't say he has that bulldog like way that Red does. And besides, he goes out of hsi way post-game to make sure anyone he went after is okay and wasn't offended.

 

Well, I heard through the grapevine that some people think I'm a bully in mafia games.

 

And I think my style is slightly similar to Mynd's because I use the same kind of self-inflation thing he does, just in a diff manner. I think he does it on a much larger scale than I do, and the fact that he gets away with it so smoothly and I seem to rub others the wrong way apparently tells me I'm not as charming as I'd like to believe

 

 

*gives des a wedgie* there now I'm a bully XD

[Verbal32]

FWIW, I didn't think of you Despo when someone mentioned people trying to mimic Red/Mynd. I see you as your own style that is unique on its own.

 

I grew up on mafia thinking that logic and epic strategy was the way to win. I feel like a lot of the veteran players played this way and that's how I wanted to play. Mafia used to feel like an elaborate game of Chess and now it feels like Survivor. It feels more like now that we are on a reality TV show where we vote people off the island for not liking them and end up taunting each other endlessly rather than being evil super geniuses or good super geniuses respectively.

 

This isn't ragging on anyone, but the general shift in tone. I'm still having fun. Though, in order to meet my quota of logic and strategy I've moved more towards modding.

 

This is why a lot of us "old-schoolers" have dwindled here in our playtime. I'm trying to play a little more recently, but I was largely absent for a lot of mafia on DM for a couple of years - the shift didn't agree with me. I've adapted a bit to it, so I'm still finding it fun.....just a different kind of fun than it used to be.

 

To be honest, though, the old fun was more fun.

[RandA lThor]

From what you guys talk about, I have a feeling I would like the old fun more, but since I started in this environment, I am adapted to it.

[Sakaea]

I wish I'd played mafia here when I first joined DM. I think I would have enjoyed it more. I'm in 2 games right now, comodding one, and signed up for 2 more. After that tho, I think I may take another break. Just isn't as fun as it used to be.

[Nolder]

I think a lot of that feeling is just nostalgia

There have been plenty of amazing games since I joined

The key is a good setup AND active players/mod

 

Like the Macbeth mafia was great

Had a good setup and for the most part activity was spot on and the scenes were cool

But then the mod ran into personal issues so it kind of went south in the end

[Verbal32]

I think a lot of that feeling is just nostalgia

 

No, it is definitely more than that. Player styles were different - player personalities were different (obv with diff people) - the overall way the game was played was different.

 

That's not a knock on how folks play now. Like I said, I've adapted and can be aggressive when needed, but I never was. I was always more cerebral and logic-oriented. I personally liked it better before. Still, there are some really good players now, just like there were some really good players before.

[Niniel]

Anti grievance? I like playing at DM most of the time. Otherwise I wouldn´t play. I agree with Nol, there have been some amazing games the year and a half that I have been playing.

[John E. Kelley]

I already said it in Pandy's thread, but I can't play logically. I'm much too dim. I just have fun.

 

I don't think I hurt feelings doing it though.

[bgrishinko]

I already said it in Pandy's thread, but I can't play logically. I'm much too drunk. I just have fun.

 

I don't think I hurt feelings doing it though.

 

Fixed that for you.

[John E. Kelley]

 

That's what I meant of course.

[LilyElizabeth]

Do you think part of it is that a lot of older players don't play anymore, so you can't enjoy the same level of comfort with everyone?

 

No, that's not it at all. Some of my favorite players are newer, like Rand. I just don't like what DM mafia has become. It's not about strategy and scum hunting anymore. Now, many people are inactive and those that are active and try to play get lynched just for being active. And there was one game where I watched someone actually bully the other players with statements like "If you don't vote the way I say to vote, you'll be tomorrow's lynch." In what mafia universe is it okay to tell other people how to vote and threaten them over it? That's the worst of many examples I've seen that just aren't good sportsmanship. No offense, but when you said you don't think people should say when things are outside the spirit of the game, that struck me as yet another symptom of what's - I won't say wrong, because obviously it's okay with a lot of people - not to my liking here.

 

I'm not judging. I'm just saying that JN plays the game more like I like it than y'all do here now. In spite of their banter, which takes crude to new heights, they respect the game and have standards about what is and is not acceptable behavior. Yes, new guys get a bit of hazing and you have to be willing to put up with that to enjoy playing there. It's not for everyone.

 

Yeah, Rand, I'm afraid I'm taking a break from DM mafia for the forseeable future. Thanks for making me feel wanted. But, if Jack comes back, I'll be all over mafia here again. I never could resist playing mafia with him.

[LilyElizabeth]

I think I may have said too much. I don't want to be DM mafia bashing. Or to be insulting to anyone. Please know I didn't mean to come across that way.

[bgrishinko]

Remember, people have thick skins here now.

[LilyElizabeth]

*smiles* I don't, outside of mafia games.

[Nolder]

I think a lot of that feeling is just nostalgia

 

No, it is definitely more than that. Player styles were different - player personalities were different (obv with diff people) - the overall way the game was played was different.

 

That's not a knock on how folks play now. Like I said, I've adapted and can be aggressive when needed, but I never was. I was always more cerebral and logic-oriented. I personally liked it better before. Still, there are some really good players now, just like there were some really good players before.

Yeah that's true

I think there used to be more of a...spirit that players had

They ran gambits and actually tried to outsmart the other players

I don't think that happens as often anymore

[Red2111]

i dunno Nol. everytime i play my aim is to outsmart and sniff out players and i've ran my fair shar of gambits, either with myself or with others.

 

 

that faking a PR in the Monty Python is top of the gambits i've ran lmao drove peoepl nuts too

[Nolder]

It still happens but it's more like one player per game instead of an entire game of people trying their own things