The Horn of Valere

[jwood01]

It seems like just a MacGuffin, given how it is nearly useless in the series. Also, it seems like it is nearly forgotten given the huge build up of troops everywhere, and its needless requirement of being tied to the Dragon's personal battles.

 

I do not think the Horn has been forgotten. I seem to recall that in several of Mat's POVs he thinks about having to get the horn from Tar Valon for the last battle.

 

Is the horn still in the white tower? Seems the BA had the run of the place for awhile.

[Smittyphi]

It seems like just a MacGuffin, given how it is nearly useless in the series. Also, it seems like it is nearly forgotten given the huge build up of troops everywhere, and its needless requirement of being tied to the Dragon's personal battles.

 

I do not think the Horn has been forgotten. I seem to recall that in several of Mat's POVs he thinks about having to get the horn from Tar Valon for the last battle.

 

Is the horn still in the white tower? Seems the BA had the run of the place for awhile.

 

Yes. IIRC, only Siuan, Mat and ¿Egwene? know it's there. In ToM I believe he told someone he had to go back to the White Tower to get something, that something being the horn of valere.

[csarmi]

I think I've read somewhere that Brandon answered what the Horn was made for. It was something quite disappointing. I don't remember exactly. Does someone have that quote?

[Lisa Campbell]

Yes. IIRC, only Siuan, Mat and ¿Egwene? know it's there. In ToM I believe he told someone he had to go back to the White Tower to get something, that something being the horn of valere.

 

Also Nynaeve, Elayne, most likely Moiraine, possibly Hurin and (drum roll...) Verin. O-oh. Siuan believes that only she and Verin know where it is hidden within the Tower but has Verin spilled the beans to the Black Ajah? RAFO I guess

[ironisles]

 

the princess bride, but since i was referencing it, i guess it's not fair to guess.

 

 

 

i love that movie.

 

Inigo Montoya:Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

Count Rugen: Stop saying that!

 

Vizzini: HE DIDN'T FALL? INCONCEIVABLE!

Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Smittyphi]

Yes. IIRC, only Siuan, Mat and ¿Egwene? know it's there. In ToM I believe he told someone he had to go back to the White Tower to get something, that something being the horn of valere.

 

Also Nynaeve, Elayne, most likely Moiraine, possibly Hurin and (drum roll...) Verin. O-oh. Siuan believes that only she and Verin know where it is hidden within the Tower but has Verin spilled the beans to the Black Ajah? RAFO I guess

 

Highly unlikely as Verin was a double agent. The black Ajah had no clue Verin knew it came back so it's not like they could force her to tell.

[Turin Turambar]

 

the princess bride, but since i was referencing it, i guess it's not fair to guess.

 

 

 

i love that movie.

 

Inigo Montoya:Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

Count Rugen: Stop saying that!

 

Vizzini: HE DIDN'T FALL? INCONCEIVABLE!

Inigo Montoya: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

I was trying to remember the INCONCEIVABLE quote all day. I wanted to put it in my sig. Took a different one, then altered it.

[ironisles]

Fezzik: You never said anything about killing anyone.

Vizzini: I've hired you to help me start a war. It's an prestigious line of work, with a long and glorious tradition.

Fezzik: I just don't think it's right, killing an innocent girl.

Vizzini: Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips? You were not hired for your brains, you hippopotamic land mass.

Inigo Montoya: I agree with Fezzik.

Vizzini: Oh, the sot has spoken. What happens to her is not truly your concern. I will kill her. And remember this, never forget this: when I found you, you were so slobbering drunk, you couldn't buy Brandy!

[turning to Fezzik]

Vizzini: And YOU: friendless, brainless, helpless, hopeless! Do you want me to send you back to where you were? Unemployed, in Greenland?

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Inigo Montoya: He's right on top of us. I wonder if he is using the same wind we are using.

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Inigo Montoya: Where is this Count Rugen now, 'cause I'mma kill him?

Fezzik: He's in the castle with the prince. But the castle gate is guarded by thirty men.

Inigo Montoya: [angrily kicks a stool, then calms down] How may do you think you could handle?

Fezzik: I don't think more than ten.

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Man in Black: All right. Where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right... and who is dead.

Vizzini: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

Man in Black: You've made your decision then?

Vizzini: Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.

Man in Black: Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

Vizzini: Wait till I get going! Now, where was I?

Man in Black: Australia.

Vizzini: Yes, Australia. And you must have suspected I would have known the powder's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

Man in Black: You're just stalling now.

Vizzini: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard, which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal, so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.

Man in Black: You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't work.

Vizzini: IT HAS WORKED! YOU'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING AWAY! I KNOW WHERE THE POISON IS!

Man in Black: Then make your choice.

Vizzini: I will, and I choose - What in the world can that be?

Man in Black: [Vizzini gestures up and away from the table. Roberts looks. Vizzini swaps the goblets]

Man in Black: What? Where? I don't see anything.

Vizzini: Well, I- I could have sworn I saw something. No matter. First, let's drink. Me from my glass, and you from yours.

Man in Black, Vizzini: [Vizzini and the Man in Black drink]

Man in Black: You guessed wrong.

Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line"! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha...

Vizzini: [Vizzini stops suddenly, his smile frozen on his face and falls to the ground dead]

Buttercup: And to think, all that time it was your cup that was poisoned.

Man in Black: They were both poisoned. I spent the last few years building up an immunity to iocane powder.

[Luckers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Princess Bride is funny, but this is getting too far off topic.

[threadnecromancer]

I think I've read somewhere that Brandon answered what the Horn was made for. It was something quite disappointing. I don't remember exactly. Does someone have that quote?

 

Bringing back great be-bop players wasn't it?

 

I seem to recall an audio interview (I don't think it was with Brandon) which stated that the notes were unclear about just what the Horn was created for, so we will probably never know.

[ironisles]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Princess Bride is funny, but this is getting too far off topic.

 

Sorry..

[lenardo]

Love the Princess Bride

 

 

as to the Horn's location:

 

Suian, nynaeve, elayne, moraine verin(deceased) Eqwene all know about matt's tie to the horn,

 

as to the location Verin and suian are the only two AS who know the location- Probably hidden in the kitchen area somewhere....because verin drops the head cooks name several times to eqwene.

[Sharaman]

So do the Aiel - Rhuarc was present when Moraine outed Mat in the Stone.

Verin spent a while in the WT on her last visit looking for the Oath Rod, among other things. It is quite possible that she might have shifted the Horn's from the location Suian also knew about - in which case, no living person necessarily knows where it is. In fact, I had thought there might be some hint of it in the letter she wrote to Mat, which wasn't true of course.

[Mandro]

It seems like just a MacGuffin, given how it is nearly useless in the series. Also, it seems like it is nearly forgotten given the huge build up of troops everywhere, and its needless requirement of being tied to the Dragon's personal battles.

 

I do not think the Horn has been forgotten. I seem to recall that in several of Mat's POVs he thinks about having to get the horn from Tar Valon for the last battle.

 

Is the horn still in the white tower? Seems the BA had the run of the place for awhile.

 

Matt tells one of the AS heading back to the tower, "And if you see Egwene, let her know I'll be there soon, she has something of mine and I mean to have it back, I'm gonna need it."

 

I'm of course paraphrasing, but it's clear he's talking about The Horn.

[FarShainMael]

There is something bothering my mind though.

 

Can a random soul who has somehow shown courage, wisdom, etc. defending the light be called after his death to form part of the heroes of the horn? Or the heroes will always be the same souls that incarnate now and then into the real world and then return to their place in TAR? And if you are tagged as a hero of the horn, will you always be a hero?

 

'Sometimes the Wheel adds to our number.' Hawkwing to Hurin, TGH47

 

As to the Horn losing a hero.. dunno.

[Hybrid]

It seems like just a MacGuffin, given how it is nearly useless in the series. Also, it seems like it is nearly forgotten given the huge build up of troops everywhere, and its needless requirement of being tied to the Dragon's personal battles.

 

I do not think the Horn has been forgotten. I seem to recall that in several of Mat's POVs he thinks about having to get the horn from Tar Valon for the last battle.

 

Is the horn still in the white tower? Seems the BA had the run of the place for awhile.

 

Matt tells one of the AS heading back to the tower, "And if you see Egwene, let her know I'll be there soon, she has something of mine and I mean to have it back, I'm gonna need it."

 

I'm of course paraphrasing, but it's clear he's talking about The Horn.

 

Well, that only indicates that Mat thinks that the Horn is still in the Tower.

[Lisa Campbell]

As far as we and Mat know, the Horn is still in the tower. Whether that fact has been compromised and whether the location is disclosed in Verin's notebooks given to Egwene(only part of one was dedicated to names, the other to the cipher) is yet to be seen. I thinks that AMoL will reveal more on this...

[Xcorpyo001]

I'm new to this site, so I don't know if this has been touched before(I've searched some threads, but didn't found anything about it)

 

It's about the inscription of the horn....at the first reread of the series it just jumped right at me and I'm wondering ever since about it.

 

 

Tia mi aven Moridin isainde vadin...translated as 'The Grave is no bar to my call'

 

They are unsure if the Horn has to be used at the Last Battle, they just know that they must found it before the final fight, but since we know that the DO's champion happens to be called Moridin(strange, huh?), maybe the inscription is a prophecy, saying that even Moridin will not be able to withstand the power of the Horn.

 

And another question: If let's say Rand is killed in his fight with 'insert enemy here'. Will it be possible for him to be considered a new hero of the Horn, and after Mat will sound the horn again, Rand, LTT and co will be summoned to fight the bad guys, and Moridin will not be able to stop a hero of the horn Rand, just as the inscription says?

[FarShainMael]

There may be a third player in this - our old friend Padan Fain. He's got the dagger back, but he still wants the Horn (TFoH Prologue).. Is he currently headed for TV, as well?

[Xcorpyo001]

There may be a third player in this - our old friend Padan Fain. He's got the dagger back, but he still wants the Horn (TFoH Prologue).. Is he currently headed for TV, as well?

 

 

I think he's going for SG. After all, the Horn and Rand will have to go there, so why run for them when he knows where everybody/everything will be in a couple of days/weeks?

[FarShainMael]

Yes, indeed..

 

..and I don't think he knows Mat's already sounded the Horn, does he?

[Mulk]

nevermind, misunderstood the post. :D