Ilyena and Demandred?

[Ilyena]

I was rereading LoC, when i found a part where Lews Therin quickly mutters something about Demendred always wanting Ilyena. However, I can find no other reference to this. :?:

[The Drewman Reborn]

It might be the only one, but it makes sense to me. He always was almost as good as LTT, he may have even been second best in Ilyena's eyes. This would also lend to the extreme envy that he felt toward LTT.

[Ilyena]

I know, but I'm wondering why Jordan hasn't expanded on this idea yet, and why it's not even talked about in the AoL in the Guide book...

[Jason Denzel]

You discovered one of the most over-looked facts in the series in my opinion. Yes, LoC has a single reference to why Demandred hates Lews Therin / Rand so much. It has to do with the fact that he loved Ilyena. But of course she went for Lews Therin who was always "thaaaaat much better" than Demandred.

 

I hope this plays a role in the final novel. Demandred certainly is key to many events.

 

BTW -- do a search on Demandred in our Character Database and then look for Ileyna references.

 

J

[Bob T Dwarf]

Ummmm... peachy keen, Jason... just one lil thing... that link generates an error. Lotta stuff about undefined constants.

 

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More information about Robert Jordan's treatment (2006-03-29 13:39:44)

 

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Robert Jordan Being Treated for Amyloidosis (2006-03-24 03:47:39)

 

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Welcome to Dragonmount.com - 7.0 (2006-03-23 23:59:50)

 

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SORRY ABOUT THE PREMATURE ANNOUNCEMENT (2006-03-24 01:48:02)

 

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APOLOGIES (2006-01-21 07:21:27)

 

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IT BEEN A WHILE (2006-01-20 14:39:57)

 

 

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[Ilyena]

I do think it would be a big tie in though if he did include something about that muttered sentence in the final book...

[Thor]

didn't one of the forsaken actually tried to take ilyaena for himself? was it rahvin, sammual or demandred? ltt was really furious about it. i can't remember clearly anymore, :(

[Ilyena]

That's what we're talking about, LTT muttering over Demandred always wanting Ilyena... and notice how she's not mentioned much beyond being Lews' wive, yet she must have down something greet to have a third name.

[JediMaster]

Ummmm... peachy keen' date=' Jason... just one lil thing... that link generates an error. Lotta stuff about undefined constants.[/b']

 

I had that same problem too. But in the upper right there are those 4 tabs. Latest WoT news, Robert Jordan's Blog, Mailing Lists, and Online Store. Put your mouse on one of the bottom two and the character page works just fine. I even found the elusive d-mail link when i scrolled to the left :)

[Siswaiaman]

Bob T has overloaded my computer and my b-b-braaaaaaaaiiiin!!!

 

Hey, ive got a monkey wrench to throw!

 

What if Ilyena has been reborn?

mmmm who would she be?

[Thor]

berelain. :P

[JediMaster]

Gotta be Elayne. The red hair. Not to mention that Rand loves her, probably as much as Lews Therin loves Ilyena.

[LonGunmn49]

Gotta be Elayne. The red hair. Not to mention that Rand loves her' date=' probably as much as Lews Therin loves Ilyena.[/quote']

 

That was my assumption as well. Not to mention the similarity in names, although I'd say we can agree that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

[Ilyena]

what if since Ilyena was destroyed by Lews, see became reborn into three seperate woman... Elane, Aviendha, and Min?

[TaeaDawn]

Are you saying Ilyena had multiple personality disorder???

 

:P

[rd2000]

Gotta be Elayne. The red hair. Not to mention that Rand loves her' date=' probably as much as Lews Therin loves Ilyena.[/quote']

 

Aviehnda is the redhead, Elayne is a honey-blonde, like Ilyena.

[Guest cwestervelt]

Elayne's hair is not "honey-blond". It is mentioned throughout the books that her hair is reddish-gold. Like Aviendha, Elayne is a redhead.

[rd2000]

Ok, I stand corrected. Elayne is described when Rand first meets her as having long red-gold curls. For some reason, I had a picture of her being a blonde.

[Ilyena]

and, they say Ilyena sunhair has hair like elayne's and her hair was said to be golden (ie Sunhair)

[JediMaster]

I don't think its possible to be reborn into different people at the same time. None of the heroes waiting to be reborn in T'A'R implied being reborn as two people at the same time, much less three, and i think they would have. Granted, we only talked to Birgitte but she said Gaidal is likely to be a really ugly baby somewhere and that he'll spend his life looking for birgitte not knowing why he doesn't feel whole. I don't see two Gaidals walking around like that so i don't think Ilyena could be Elayne, Min, and Aviendha at the same time either.

[Guest Majsju]

A soul can't be split, confirmed by RJ at D*Con -05.

 

Question by Aan’ allein: A couple of related questions on souls. Can they be split? Is it true you can meet yourself in the worlds of If, is that a copy of the soul, a reflection, or the same soul living in different worlds.

 

Jordan: I think I will have to give you a RAFO on this, except for the part, souls cannot be split, but the other, I think I will have to give you a RAFO because I may be doing something with that.

[Timewalker]

what if since Ilyena was destroyed by Lews, see became reborn into three seperate woman... Elane, Aviendha, and Min?

 

I've always assumed that myself.

[Ilyena]

back to the hair thing, while it did originally say red-gold curls, the description has changed to light, and yellow, plus there is the comparison with Ilyena, saying Elayne and Ilyena have the same hair colour, while Ilyena's is described as "golden, shining like the Sun"

[Guest cwestervelt]

back to the hair thing' date=' while it did originally say red-gold curls, the description has changed to light, and yellow, plus there is the comparison with Ilyena, saying Elayne and Ilyena have the same hair colour, while Ilyena's is described as "golden, shining like the Sun"[/quote']

 

Where has the description been changed to light and yellow? The only description that I can think of for Elayne's hair is "red-gold". The Eye of the World and The Fires of Heaven both use "golden" hair for Ilyena with The Fires of Heaven adding that is the same color as Elayne's. To me, that would indicate a darker rather than a lighter gold color for Ilyena. Neither of my copies are first printings, so maybe something was corrected. It could just be an editing/writing error. After all, The Ilyena vision is triggered by a Lews Therin memory that is actually triggered by Egwene.

[Shai-tan]

I read a theory somewhere that one of Lanfear's wishes to the Snakes/foxes (cant remember which was which) might have been to look like Ileyna. That is of course if she never died, maybe Ileyna could channel and when Lanfear wished this she also dropped to Ileyna's level.... this may explain her laps in power. Someone did compare the descriptions of Ileyna and Lanfear's new look, I remember there was a small difference.