Wheel of Time Mafia Game Thread

[Locke]

It seems likely to me that Aust has been silenced. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he's posted at all Day 2.

 

I don't know if anyone else thought this, but I considered trying to steal it in order to determine her alignment. (She said it would make it obvious who her character was) I'm pretty convinced she's Town regardless now.

 

[Locke]

Such as Ed, Player, and Aust?......>.>

[dapianoplay3r]

Player - good case on Blackhoof, you brought up ome very good points.

 

Mynd - loved the re-cap, one point i'd also like to bringup.

 

 

also, Aust's silence is worth noting. he's been on yet hasn't said a word in this game. which i find as odd. we can either put pressure on his and see how he reacts, put more pressure on Blackhoof or start applying pressure on Ed. my gut says there's something up with Ed.

 

 

 

I guess I found out who got your item, Red, cause I didn't target you for my thief play.

 

then how did you get my item? if you made a theif play for a person, tbh, you shouldn't have been able to get my item; unless it was only unstealable so long as i held it. and even still, i can't see how you would recieve my item, it appears that everyone is given an item (even vanilla's since both the vanilla's killed had items to be handed back out). so if you made a theif play for someone, woudln't you get their item, not the one they were given because of my screw up.

 

 

 

Until Song made her post I had no idea that had happened to me. I wasnt sure how to even mention it and then on the catch up I saw Ed had the same problem. I only believe Song because she said 4 people who had NAs and wasnt just picking names out of a hat per say.

How would me targeting someone else make it hit you if they were trying to deflect stuff off you onto aemon. Thats the problem I have with the theory.

Maybe tonight Ill see what happens and if I get deflected again its someone targeting me and not Red.

 

Why are you most suspicious of me and Ed?

 

i'm suspicous of you & Ed because you both are claiming to have had NA's directed at me. the chances of you both targetting the same perosn in a game this big are slim, so i believe one of you is lieing about not targetting me. i'm not sure which, but i do intend to find out.

 

one thing that doesn't fit with your story, is that if your NA had been redirected then it didn't fail, so i don't understand why you got a message back from the mod saying "NA failed" this doesn't smell right to me tbh.

 

i also agree that it would make sense for all the actions targetting me to be re-directed to Aemon (if this is the case).

 

 

 

I have a strange feeling about my brother... Ed is playing like town but... that doesn't feel right either. He said in one post "i can't lie" inferring he is an Aes Sedai but i'm just not getting a town feel for him at this time, sorry bro

 

i agree with Ama on this one

 

You go to sleep and come back to all of this. Wow

 

Ok so my NA result came back last night saying it had failed on ..........

This person wasnt one of the people on Songs list.

 

Now I'm off to my course so ill post more when I get back I just thought you would appreciate knowing that while you make cases and the like.

[dapianoplay3r]

I dont know if that was directed at me but if it was Im not silent. I just had night here in RL so I was asleep. Im normally online in my evening which is your midnight to early morning. Thats why I dont post as much as some people, cos I have noone to post with. I still post though

[CurtisScafe]

Another thought is that Songs, Aust, and Kwom are all scum and lying liars who lie!

Here is the thing and why I really don't know who to vote.

Song has been very out-coming from the start. This can be viewed as good or bad. "Here is my hand you all see what I have" but what you don't see if the gun under the table.

 

Or Song can be good as claimed

 

I'm am confused about Red being innocent. Yes she might have been targeted but it could all be an elaborate ploy with all the redirection and possible healing going on. Who knows if the kill wasn't aimed at Red but was redirected? (Is that possible?) Or blocked somehow

[Verbal32]

also Verb - i'm not defending Aemon, but alot of us are confident that he's most liekly Logain. do youhave any reason to believe this. i can see that lynching Aemon wold give us alot of info; yet i question you becuase up until now you've been really quiet on everything and your reasoning isn't really allowing me to put any faith in your intentions.

 

Actually, up until now I was saying you were the better lynch, in case Aemon actually is the real DR. However, I feel differently on that matter now, and placed my vote accordingly.

 

 

 

okay, so Song got her item stolen. are we all still in agreement that it's likely a scum who stole it, and if a double vote shows up that we should apply the pressure there??

 

 

also, if the DV isn't used (ie: the theif doesn't vote) this pretty much confirms IMO that scum stole it. either way, if it's used or not used, whoever stoel the DV is a marked man imo and you just made it easy to sniff you out by using logic & process of elimination.

 

Absolutely not. How would any given townie know that Song is not scum herself? A double vote item could easily have started with the mafia....making assumptions otherwise is not a good idea.

 

 

 

I hold this one assumption to be true: With only one death last night, at least one other death was blocked in some way. The target was likely either Red or Aemon. If I were Mafia, it would be one of those two, and likely Red. Make sense?

 

No. While I agree that there is likely another killing role out there (although prob not given the mod's note of more phases due to Fain/Nae's death), that doesn't make Red or Aemon a target for a solo killing role. In other words, if a SK were to submit a NK, they would stay away from either lynch candidates or mafia targets.

 

Again, we are making assumptions here with very little reliable information. Red has provided lots of info, but that doesn't make it reliable. Yet.

[trench]

Of the Song 4 (Kwom, Ed, Play3r, and Aust)

Play3r is the one I can't seem to ignore

He makes a long case on Black

then he backs off in the end,

now im taken aback.

 

A deflection is what i see

Black had a lot of suspicion

upon him for his activity.

 

You say you were deflected onto Red

Now that claim is widespread

and its what we all have been fed

 

All this deflection talk

makes me balk

It just seems to easy

and convienient

for my appeasment

 

Vote Play3r

 

I must say this before I go

Aut's silence

hurts his benevolence

He never struck me as scum

until now

So now for my suspicious finger

on Aust will it linger

[Alanna]

This is what I hate about missing so many posts at once: I see something I want to comment on/respond to, but then later I see someone has already said it or has said something to make it a moot point.

 

See, I don't understand, Player, why you would be told your NA failed if it was simply redirected. Usually you would only be told that if you had been blocked or something, and therefore weren't going to get any results (if it's even a role that determines results).

 

I disagree about you being an easy NK last night, Red. By the end of Day 1, quite a few people seemed pretty convinced you were innocent and that you had something valuable to add to the game, so I wouldn't be surprised if at least 1 protective power didn't target you. However, that doesn't mean the scum wouldn't have tried targeting you either.

 

I'm wary of completely trusting Song on all this; however, it would be one hell of a mafia plot since it would pretty much mean she's in on it with all these other people who corroberate her story. But I just don't want to start assuming people are townies without proof, because that's where things can get dicey. That said, I don't personally think she is scum; I just think we need to be sure to look at every option.

[dapianoplay3r]

See, I don't understand, Player, why you would be told your NA failed if it was simply redirected. Usually you would only be told that if you had been blocked or something, and therefore weren't going to get any results (if it's even a role that determines results).

 

Thats the thing. If Song hadnt posted it I wouldn't have known. The only reason I think Song is telling the truth is that all the people she mentioned did have NAs. If she was mafia she would have to have used other mafia members to back her up and I think that's too big a risk at this stage of the game and waht would it really achieve. Maybe one innocent lynched. It just doesnt add up to me as a gambit.

 

If someone has a way it would please explain it to me cos I cant see how it would at all.

[dapianoplay3r]

Of the Song 4 (Kwom, Ed, Play3r, and Aust)

Play3r is the one I can't seem to ignore

He makes a long case on Black

then he backs off in the end,

now im taken aback.

 

A deflection is what i see

Black had a lot of suspicion

upon him for his activity.

 

You say you were deflected onto Red

Now that claim is widespread

and its what we all have been fed

 

All this deflection talk

makes me balk

It just seems to easy

and convienient

for my appeasment

 

Vote Play3r

 

I must say this before I go

Aut's silence

hurts his benevolence

He never struck me as scum

until now

So now for my suspicious finger

on Aust will it linger

 

Actually i want to adress this and I forgot to in the last post.

I started out my case thinking he was scum but the more I looked at his posts the less I felt he was right for a lynch. To me i think you can see my thought process as I went through and understand how I changed my opinion if not why. I posted it all so you could see that process. If I hadnt and just randomly said I dont think he was as scummy anymore imagine how scummy that would of sounded. I think changing your opinion is fine as long as its reasoned and explained.

The reasopn the case was so long is I quoted all of his posts from about the 3rd onwards (the first few were just day one random votes that weren't interesting IMO). This is how I analyse people. I didn it on the Candyland game too and I did change my opinion afew times.

[Locke]

Honestly, I'm still happy with my original vote and suspicions list, though Aemon has moved quite a bit down.

[Myndrunner]

I'm reluctant to go after Aust, even though his silence speaks volumes, I suspect he has been silenced as suggested earlier. I'm torn between Ed and Dapianoplayer......and we need more information here. In a game with 30+ players, I doubt we risk much by being explicit in the thread. Sure, the mafia read this thread too, but unless they have more than one night kill, I think we might be ahead of them.

 

I am inclined to ask Ed2Hilarious and ThePianoMan to tell us who they targeted last night and why. The first one to do so, I will vote the other.

[Alanna]

I actually didn't find it weird that Player backed off blackhoof, for the reasons he just stated: he cased him, and seemed to think from that casing that black isn't scummy. I'm not sure I agree with that, but it doesn't seem like player suddenly changed his mind. I've done that before too, cased someone I felt was scummy and then, after the casing, come to the conclusiong that they weren't as scummy as I originally felt they were.

[aemonkristen]

I keep going over what happened between Verbal's vote on Mynd and his switch to me. There were a few posts about redirection, then we talked about about Red's hair color and saw some cute pics and Verbal changed his vote to me and has not been able to cite reasons for doing so. I believe he is being compulsed to vote for me and that is why he has not stated any kind of case. Looking at the time stamps it is very possible that he hopped on and caught up with the thread and voted without noticing he had a PM until the next time he came online.

 

 

 

 

The second message is good news. The Horn has been claimed by an innocent.

 

Questions start circling my brow as I knuckle my mustaches on this one....as in how does one know such a thing? Why make such a claim publicly? What will the Forsaken come to think? Was this really necessary? Why change the subject? Who cares about the bloody horn unless it will indeed summon Arthur Hawkwind and his 40 Thieves?

 

....but I digress. Let's get back to Red's visitors, shall we?

 

aemonkitten also claims that he stole some kind of special healer's trinket from someone who must be THE Healer. I tend to agree with the claim that in a game this size, not only is it quite presumptuous to say there is only one healer, but also that there are not 30 players with unique roles, characters, and abilities, many of which in some way are protective. As for who is walking in the light, if AK is so sure the player he stole said artifact from is innocent, perhaps he should consider gifting it back to him or her? Not too many darkfriend healers in this world....

 

So then, it is indeed possible that one of the five visitors was indeed some kind of healer that AK did not target last night. This also makes it possible that one of the five was targeting Red with something malicious, perhaps even a night kill of some kind. Since no innocent deaths occurred last night, I am going to believe that at least one kill was blocked in some way last night, and Red would be a likely target for such.

 

With me so far? Great....it gets better! (Stay tuned for Part II of Mynd's Mystical Magical and Metagamed Thesis on who needs a good lynching!)

 

Mynd, are you just skimming this entire game? I revealed that message so that it could be confirmed by the sender that I did indeed receive it. As to there being more than one healer and giving back the item, please reread the post where I announced what the item was. I was the person that said there is probably more than one and that I was giving it to someone else. I didn't google the item until I had already sent in my PM to give it away. As it turns out, Red claims it is hers, so giving it back to the person I stole it from would not do any good. In fact, it makes this person suspect to me.

 

 

^This.

 

Vote: Mynd

 

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Aemon

 

Also, since Aust seems to have been silenced (or forgotten about the game) I will

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE ED

 

We need to pressure someone or this day isn't going to give us much info.

[DrewRiley]

Have to agree with Aemon - this vote can easily change if someone is willing to talk.

 

Vote Ed

[bgrishinko]

 

Also, since Aust seems to have been silenced (or forgotten about the game) I will

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE ED

 

We need to pressure someone or this day isn't going to give us much info.

 

Fair Enough: To get people talking...

 

UNVOTE: VOTE ED

 

This doesn't mean you are off my meanie list Blackhoof

[Vambram]

Also, since Aust seems to have been silenced (or forgotten about the game) I will

 

UNVOTE

 

VOTE ED

 

We need to pressure someone or this day isn't going to give us much info.

 

Fair Enough: To get people talking...

 

UNVOTE: VOTE ED

 

This doesn't mean you are off my meanie list Blackhoof

 

Thats as good a reason as some of the other reasons, I've heard.

 

VOTE ED

[Krakalakachkn]

lol Ed just went 4 for 4. That should have been prefaced with: "And they're off!"

[ed2funy]

These will prolly be out of order...messed up the quotes.

 

out of the 4, Ed & Piano are standing out most to me. i agree that that is a large number of people to be re-directed. a mirror type role does make sense, a mirror that deflects the NA onto a different person, not back onto the caster. question then is, why did the mirror role choose to redirect any actions that target them back at me?

 

 

Until Song made her post I had no idea that had happened to me. I wasnt sure how to even mention it and then on the catch up I saw Ed had the same problem. I only believe Song because she said 4 people who had NAs and wasnt just picking names out of a hat per say.

I had no idea I was redirected at all. I got no PM about my NA being altered or messed with in any way.

 

 

This thread is making my head hurt LOL

 

I have a strange feeling about my brother... Ed is playing like town but... that doesn't feel right either. He said in one post "i can't lie" inferring he is an Aes Sedai but i'm just not getting a town feel for him at this time, sorry bro

If it makes your head hurt sis, imagine how it is for me, since I barely even read it.

I will not lie. If so, it will cause the Creator to smite me (i.e. Womby will keel me).

 

 

 

also, Aust's silence is worth noting.

 

Why are you most suspicious of me and Ed?

 

i'm suspicous of you & Ed because you both are claiming to have had NA's directed at me. the chances of you both targetting the same perosn in a game this big are slim, so i believe one of you is lieing about not targetting me. i'm not sure which, but i do intend to find out.

 

i also agree that it would make sense for all the actions targetting me to be re-directed to Aemon (if this is the case).

 

 

 

I have a strange feeling about my brother... Ed is playing like town but... that doesn't feel right either. He said in one post "i can't lie" inferring he is an Aes Sedai but i'm just not getting a town feel for him at this time, sorry bro

 

i agree with Ama on this one

 

Hello, I've already said I am looking to be replaced! that's why I am quiet.

I didn't target you and am not sure why it was deflected to you. Oh, the irony.Of course you agree, you're trying to kill me!

Ed, otherwise, has been quiet, but since he was looking to be replaced, I mostly assumed that was just because he doesn't have a lot of free time atm.

DING DING DING! I didn't want to end up like Faile and Bashere (I think those were the two who were just modkilled).I'll stay as active as I can, until I can be replaced. But I will not let you all kill me for my mistake of signing up.

 

 

The standing theory is that ed did not target Red, so who did he target instead? Ed is either lying or he was redirected like Quibby was apparently. Why would Ed lie about this? Who was his intended target? It is possible that Ed wants to shed some doubt on whether he was among those intended visitors because perhaps his night action was of the Dark One's design? Two target mixers in a game this size is possible (see MyndJack Heroes Mafia) but doesn't let Ed off the hook completely.

 

Question to Ed and/or Piano: Is the person you targeted last night also in the list of people who targeted Red?

I've already said I didn't target Red. And I've already said I will not say who I targetted. Though, like Asmo, there is enough info for you to know. I wouldn't lie. I can't. Not the DO's design. I aim to fight the DO and aid the DR, whether he needs it or not, in order to ensure the survival of The Last Battle.I don't remember the list, but I don't think so, and I will not explicitly say.

 

Ed's response of "must have been redirected or something" just doesn't sit right with me. i get that he was asking to be replaced, but at the same time my gut is screaming that something aint right with him. maybe its cause i'm not used to a quiet Ed ...

I'd like to point out for the record that the few times I have tried a more silent Ed approach to a game, I was lynched Day 1. -_-

This time, it is just my stupidity for signing up leaving me silent.It sits right with me, because I have no other explanation. I did not target you. I have no idea who you are. Last I read, Aemon was claiming DR, and you were saying he's not Rand al'Thor.

 

 

VOTE: ED to apply some pressure; out of Player & him i find him as the scummiest. FOS @ Aust for being so quiet

 

 

So, I'm the one who has posted that I am trying to be replaced, and you want to vote me for being quiet. The reason I can't post much is because I don't have time to fully read the game (it's a lot bigger than I expected, twss).

 

 

I'm reluctant to go after Aust, even though his silence speaks volumes,

I am inclined to ask Ed2Hilarious and ThePianoMan to tell us who they targeted last night and why. The first one to do so, I will vote the other.

Hmm. No, I will not tell you who I targetted. As to why, because I skimmed the thread worse than you were doing, and only had basic knowledge of the game to go off of. The person I targeted knows who they are as they stole from me.

I am also stubborn. I will not go rushing to kiss your feet and our forth answers from my mouth just to please you and ensure you don't vote me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I signed up for this game because I didn't expect so many pages. It has taken me over an hour to SKIM not even 5 pages. I am cutting into sleep time and the only reason I am here arguing with any of you is because I will not just tell Wombat to Modkill me. I will try and hold out as long as I can to wait for a replacement, and if not, oh well. Sorry. But, I will also laugh at the death scene. =P

 

You all already know I am trying to be replaced, so why continue on about my silence. I can go on DM quite regularly, but the time to follow a game this large, and be able to actually play, is more than I expected.

 

 

[Myndrunner]

If Aust reads the thread but doesn't make a post, does he really exist?

 

I am inclined to join the Ed2Quiet bandwagon if he doesn't speak up soon. PianoPlaya, are you willing to talk to us a bit more?

[ed2funy]

If Aust reads the thread but doesn't make a post, does he really exist?

 

I am inclined to join the Ed2Quiet bandwagon if he doesn't speak up soon. PianoPlaya, are you willing to talk to us a bit more?

 

 

 

I am tempted to quote my long post I JUST made out of spite for you all.

 

10 mins before I go night night (seeing as lights out was an hour and a half ago -_-)....anyone here now?! *grumbles*

[Myndrunner]

Forget my last post, we have a talking Ed!

 

Ed can't lie. I think that's the most important thing he said, and enough for me to back off for now. If I said die, would you believe me?

 

What about PianoMan?

 

...and if Aemon claims to be the Dragon Reborn but not Rand al'Thor, could he be Taim?

[Vambram]

If Aust reads the thread but doesn't make a post, does he really exist?

 

I am inclined to join the Ed2Quiet bandwagon if he doesn't speak up soon. PianoPlaya, are you willing to talk to us a bit more?

 

 

 

I am tempted to quote my long post I JUST made out of spite for you all.

 

10 mins before I go night night (seeing as lights out was an hour and a half ago -_-)....anyone here now?! *grumbles*

 

Lmao, ed.

 

I'm here.

[ed2funy]

As in, were there any questions, because I am headed to bed in a couple of minutes. lol. If not, you'll all have to wait another 20 or more hours/.

[dapianoplay3r]

Pianoman has just got back from his course. I told you I was busy in the day so i dont know why you kept pushing for a reply. I wasnt lurking I was just busy.

 

anyway (I cant believe this) but I actually agree with ed. I will not tell you who I targeted. You are scummy for asking IMO. I dont think it is important enough at this point to tell you.