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Question: I remember this being mentioned in another thread at some point but have no idea where. Is there a site/thread where all of Min's visions and/or Egwene's dreams are listed? (hopefully along with the events they correspond to that have happened)

You might also want to take a look at (our very own, as of late) Prophecy section of the WoT FAQ.

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You might also want to take a look at (our very own, as of late) Prophecy section of the WoT FAQ.

 

Awesome, do you know when it will be updated past CoT?

 

Soon, hopefully. I haven't started work on it yet. Right now I'm thinking I won't start until after JordanCon. I'm going to be pretty busy between now and then.

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Why are the One Power, the True Source and the True Power named the way they are? Any significance?

 

The One Power is obviously not the only power - to name a few, the True Power, the World of Dreams, Shadar Logoth - so the name doesn't seem to fit.

 

The True Power seems like an egotistical way to say that the DO is the most powerful thing ever, but obviously he isn't. Forsaken fear using the TP, and apparently you aren't all that much stronger with it, you can just destroy the pattern much more easily.

 

Then comes the True Source and I get all confused as to the reasons things are named the way they are.

 

My understanding is that the One power is the essence of the creator in the same form that the True power is the essence of the Dark One. However we know from Rand's PoVs that the true power is much more alluring and stronger than Saidin/Saidar.

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Also, actually none of them mention this, probably dismissing them as simple nightmares:

Feeding on fear, her dreams became worse. The two strange women she had been seeing in Tel’aran’rhiod caught her and dragged her before a table full of hooded women, and when they took off their hoods, every one was Liandrin, the Black sister who had captured her in Tear. A hard-faced Seanchan woman handed her a silvery bracelet and necklace connected by a silvery leash, an a’dam. That made her cry out; Seanchan had put an a’dam on her once. She would die before letting it happen again. Rand capered through the streets of Cairhien, laughing as he blasted buildings and people with lightning and fire, and other men ran with him, hurling the Power; that awful amnesty of his had been announced in Cairhien, but surely no man would choose to channel. The Wise Ones caught her in Tel’aran’rhiod and sold her like an animal in the lands beyond the Aiel Waste; that was what they did to Cairhienin they found in the Waste. She stood outside herself, watching her face melt, her skull crack open, and dimly seen shapes poke at her with hard sticks.
since obviously some of it is false (Siuan and Leane being Black, Rand lashing out, the Wise Ones selling her into slavery) but I think the part about the a'dam is a true Dream.
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Who was the voice that spoke to Rand at the end of TEOTW. It was after he tapped into the eye and was slaying mad trollocs at Tarwins Gap. It has been a very long time since I have read this section, but I remember someone/thing talked to Rand from everywhere/nowhere and said something along the lines of "Now is not the time. Wait until the last battle".

Who was this? DO or Creator? Is there a thread discussing this voice? Has this voice ever returned throughout the series?

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It could be either or someone else entirely, many, and no, respectively. There's been twenty years of talking in circles about that and I don't think a consensus has ever been reached.

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Also, actually none of them mention this, probably dismissing them as simple nightmares:

Feeding on fear, her dreams became worse. The two strange women she had been seeing in Tel’aran’rhiod caught her and dragged her before a table full of hooded women, and when they took off their hoods, every one was Liandrin, the Black sister who had captured her in Tear. A hard-faced Seanchan woman handed her a silvery bracelet and necklace connected by a silvery leash, an a’dam. That made her cry out; Seanchan had put an a’dam on her once. She would die before letting it happen again. Rand capered through the streets of Cairhien, laughing as he blasted buildings and people with lightning and fire, and other men ran with him, hurling the Power; that awful amnesty of his had been announced in Cairhien, but surely no man would choose to channel. The Wise Ones caught her in Tel’aran’rhiod and sold her like an animal in the lands beyond the Aiel Waste; that was what they did to Cairhienin they found in the Waste. She stood outside herself, watching her face melt, her skull crack open, and dimly seen shapes poke at her with hard sticks.
since obviously some of it is false (Siuan and Leane being Black, Rand lashing out, the Wise Ones selling her into slavery) but I think the part about the a'dam is a true Dream.

 

Maybe, but a true Dream of what? The Dream wasn't that she would be collared again, it was that a Seanchan woman (presumably Egeanin) is handing her an a'dam. And a silver one, not a black one. So who is Egwene going to collar?

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Who was the voice that spoke to Rand at the end of TEOTW. It was after he tapped into the eye and was slaying mad trollocs at Tarwins Gap. It has been a very long time since I have read this section, but I remember someone/thing talked to Rand from everywhere/nowhere and said something along the lines of "Now is not the time. Wait until the last battle".

Who was this? DO or Creator? Is there a thread discussing this voice? Has this voice ever returned throughout the series?

 

My guess is that it was the Creator but this was when RJ had planned to make WoT a trilogy not a long series as it has turned out and he might have decided to include direct intervention/speaking from the Creator since it was a short trilogy with not enough time to build plot up to show the Creator's "subtlely."

 

Alternately, for the same reason, maybe he intended to have the Creator speak in the first and last books but instead of the last book being #3 it's #14 and so maybe will see a cameo by the Creator in AMoL; however, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

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Maybe, but a true Dream of what? The Dream wasn't that she would be collared again, it was that a Seanchan woman (presumably Egeanin) is handing her an a'dam. And a silver one, not a black one. So who is Egwene going to collar?
First, it's very unlikely that it's Egeanin, since she has neither a'dam nor damane. Possibly it represents Tuon giving up the enslavement of female channelers. For all we know, it just means that the rehabilitation of the captured damane will be moved from Caemlyn to the White Tower well into the future. And I don't think the silver means it couldn't represent the Domination Band; there's no saying symbolism in one person's mind has to match another's.

 

But it's exactly the kind of ironic foreshadowing Jordan was fond of, and it has a bearing on crucial issues facing the various Light factions in and possibly after AMOL, as well as on her personal growth past her PTSD symptoms (which I think will be mirrored by Rand's growth in very similar ways re: the 'box'). And it's not like Egwene hasn't tried to dismiss Dreams about the Seanchan as unimportant before, e.g.

There had been a dream of Mat and Seanchan, too, but she was willing to dismiss that as a nightmare.
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Why are the One Power, the True Source and the True Power named the way they are? Any significance?

 

The One Power is obviously not the only power - to name a few, the True Power, the World of Dreams, Shadar Logoth - so the name doesn't seem to fit.

 

The True Power seems like an egotistical way to say that the DO is the most powerful thing ever, but obviously he isn't. Forsaken fear using the TP, and apparently you aren't all that much stronger with it, you can just destroy the pattern much more easily.

 

Then comes the True Source and I get all confused as to the reasons things are named the way they are.

 

My understanding is that the One power is the essence of the creator in the same form that the True power is the essence of the Dark One. However we know from Rand's PoVs that the true power is much more alluring and stronger than Saidin/Saidar.

Maybe the reason that the TP is stronger is because the One Power is divided into saidin and saidar, where the TP seems to work the same for men and women alike.

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Also, actually none of them mention this, probably dismissing them as simple nightmares:

Feeding on fear, her dreams became worse. The two strange women she had been seeing in Tel’aran’rhiod caught her and dragged her before a table full of hooded women, and when they took off their hoods, every one was Liandrin, the Black sister who had captured her in Tear. A hard-faced Seanchan woman handed her a silvery bracelet and necklace connected by a silvery leash, an a’dam. That made her cry out; Seanchan had put an a’dam on her once. She would die before letting it happen again. Rand capered through the streets of Cairhien, laughing as he blasted buildings and people with lightning and fire, and other men ran with him, hurling the Power; that awful amnesty of his had been announced in Cairhien, but surely no man would choose to channel. The Wise Ones caught her in Tel’aran’rhiod and sold her like an animal in the lands beyond the Aiel Waste; that was what they did to Cairhienin they found in the Waste. She stood outside herself, watching her face melt, her skull crack open, and dimly seen shapes poke at her with hard sticks.
since obviously some of it is false (Siuan and Leane being Black, Rand lashing out, the Wise Ones selling her into slavery) but I think the part about the a'dam is a true Dream.

 

 

This is on my list of things to fix. I started doing it last year but the update for the prophecy section is big--not just new prophecy but all the resolutions and new information since CoT needs to be worked in.

 

For anyone who is interested--here is my essay on the future of the a'dam. It touches on that a'dam--specifically its interesting to note that bother the necklace AND the bracelet are handed to Egwene. Odd, if just a nightmare about being leashed...

 

Also the bits about Carlinya were proven wrong by ToM. I'll correct that when the no-spoilers policy dies.

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Does Rand know the "Old Tongue" now? Could he strike up a conversation w/ Mat?

 

Thanks :smile: , here's a cookie (or a beer if you prefer)

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I duno, I think itd be cool if he did and he and Mat used it in some dodgy situation or something, but then again if he did know it he should have been getting bits and pieces early on from Lewis.

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Does Rand know the "Old Tongue" now? Could he strike up a conversation w/ Mat?

 

Thanks :smile: , here's cookie (or a beer if you prefer)

 

 

I highly doubt it.

 

That's a very interesting thought White star.

 

@Krakalakachkn: I would argue that Rand does. I mean if Mat can be fluent in it through broken memories of men here and there then Rand ought to be even more so with the full 500 year life(IIRC?) of the most important single person from the Age of Legends when they all spoke the Old Tongue.

 

@White star: I don't know how well a conversation with Mat would go however. But that's because the Manetherenian and Eharonian dialects of the Old Tongue that Mat knows may differ anywhere from a little to a lot when compared to the AoL dialect LT knows. But who knows, maybe the dialects are very similar and in AMoL when Mat accidentally spouts something in the OT as he often does, if Rand is around, Rand might just reply, or at least do the questioning raised-eyebrow.

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I highly doubt it.

 

Rand seems to have LTT's memories now so I see no reason to believe that he couldn't speak the Old Tongue now.

 

By the way, I love your avatar. :biggrin:

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Agreed; I don't see any reason to believe he can't speak the Old Tongue fluently now. In fact, it would be rather odd if he could not.

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Where does the name for the Aiel Warrior Society "Black Eyes" come from? All of the Aiel we have seen have light colored eyes.

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Where does the name for the Aiel Warrior Society "Black Eyes" come from? All of the Aiel we have seen have light colored eyes.

 

I don't have an answer but that's a great question. Hadn't thought of that before.

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Where does the name for the Aiel Warrior Society "Black Eyes" come from? All of the Aiel we have seen have light colored eyes.

 

I don't have an answer but that's a great question. Hadn't thought of that before.

 

Couple interesting points...

 

1. They were the society that escorted Kadere's wagon out of Rhuidean.

2. Putting prisoners to the question is usually done by Maidens or Black Eyes.

 

A number of them have been Shaido as well including Couladin. Might be a stretch but of all the Aiel we have met these seem to have a rather dark disposition. I was thinking of the Red Veiled characters at the end of ToM. The biggest reason for people saying they aren't Aiel is "black eyes" but we have one of the warrior societies with that name?

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