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I'm sorry if this is asked before, but 31 pages is alot to read through.

 

When Mat is going to meet Elayne, Guybon (2nd in command of the Crowns army) is escorting him. He asks if some of the rumors about Mat is true.

Some of them are:

Mat dangling from a tree in 9 days.

Mat entering the realm of the Finns.

 

Who started those rumors? As far as I can recall, few people know any of it?

 

Second this question. Seems very suspicious to me that suddenly everyone knows about Mat and they all know so MUCH, even if it isn't quite accurate. And the people who know about these things in the first place (eg. Rand, Moiraine) wouldn't repeat them. If this doesn't get explained at some point and it turns out to just be a throw away thing then I'll be really quite annoyed. BTW, haven't quite finished reading TOM yet, so sorry if it's covered at the end.

mat has talked about the finns a lot, and he has mentioned the hsnging... so my guess is noal told those stories to people in taverns along with the prince of ravens bit

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I'm sorry if this is asked before, but 31 pages is alot to read through.

 

When Mat is going to meet Elayne, Guybon (2nd in command of the Crowns army) is escorting him. He asks if some of the rumors about Mat is true.

Some of them are:

Mat dangling from a tree in 9 days.

Mat entering the realm of the Finns.

 

Who started those rumors? As far as I can recall, few people know any of it?

 

Second this question. Seems very suspicious to me that suddenly everyone knows about Mat and they all know so MUCH, even if it isn't quite accurate. And the people who know about these things in the first place (eg. Rand, Moiraine) wouldn't repeat them. If this doesn't get explained at some point and it turns out to just be a throw away thing then I'll be really quite annoyed. BTW, haven't quite finished reading TOM yet, so sorry if it's covered at the end.

mat has talked about the finns a lot, and he has mentioned the hsnging... so my guess is noal told those stories to people in taverns along with the prince of ravens bit

 

I always assumed he was pretty closed-mouthed about it, as he is with most other things that single him out. And as for Noal, he knew the gholam and possibly others were after Mat, and he must be quite good at keeping secrets considering his true identity. So I'm still holding on for some deeper and darker explanation...

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I'm sorry if this is asked before, but 31 pages is alot to read through.

 

When Mat is going to meet Elayne, Guybon (2nd in command of the Crowns army) is escorting him. He asks if some of the rumors about Mat is true.

Some of them are:

Mat dangling from a tree in 9 days.

Mat entering the realm of the Finns.

 

Who started those rumors? As far as I can recall, few people know any of it?

 

Second this question. Seems very suspicious to me that suddenly everyone knows about Mat and they all know so MUCH, even if it isn't quite accurate. And the people who know about these things in the first place (eg. Rand, Moiraine) wouldn't repeat them. If this doesn't get explained at some point and it turns out to just be a throw away thing then I'll be really quite annoyed. BTW, haven't quite finished reading TOM yet, so sorry if it's covered at the end.

mat has talked about the finns a lot, and he has mentioned the hsnging... so my guess is noal told those stories to people in taverns along with the prince of ravens bit

 

I always assumed he was pretty closed-mouthed about it, as he is with most other things that single him out. And as for Noal, he knew the gholam and possibly others were after Mat, and he must be quite good at keeping secrets considering his true identity. So I'm still holding on for some deeper and darker explanation...

not really, mat was getting very suspicious of noal being jain or someone very close to him during the run away love sequence with tuon. This is about the time when mats secrets starting being more known among his inner circle. Plus I could see Noal telling the soldiers these stories but embellished in order to make mat seem greater to them

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I'm sorry if this is asked before, but 31 pages is alot to read through.

 

When Mat is going to meet Elayne, Guybon (2nd in command of the Crowns army) is escorting him. He asks if some of the rumors about Mat is true.

Some of them are:

Mat dangling from a tree in 9 days.

Mat entering the realm of the Finns.

 

Who started those rumors? As far as I can recall, few people know any of it?

 

Matt has had enough conversations about the Finns and the ToG with his inner circle that it's reasonable to assume that some members of the band have overheard something. He also has a pretty nasty scar from that hanging that is pretty obvious to anyone who happens to see it. I'd be surprised if there weren't a plethora of rumors that skirt the truth swirling about the military mastermind that appeared out of no where and grew up next to the Dragon Reborn.

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how come Perrin could directly speak to boundless. He cant directly speak to elyas. is it because boundless is more wolf than man now so he can speak like a wolf to men?

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Maybe. Or it might be because he first encountered Boundless (as such) in TAR, which Elyas avoids. I don't know why that would make a difference, though; it just seems the only other one. And I guess there's no proof Elyas couldn't speak to Boundless, or that that Elyas and Perrin can't communicate telepathically in some undiscovered way. It does seem like a contradiction if what we already know is true, though.

"Do you ever visit wolves in your dreams, Elyas?" Perrin asked. "A place where dead wolves run and live again?"

Elyas turned, eyeing him. "That place is dangerous, Perrin. It's another world, although tied to this one somehow. Legends say the Aes Sedai of old could go there."

"And other people, too," Perrin said, thinking of Slayer.

"Be careful in the dream. I stay away from it." His scent was wary.

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Maybe. Or it might be because he first encountered Boundless (as such) in TAR, which Elyas avoids. I don't know why that would make a difference, though; it just seems the only other one. And I guess there's no proof Elyas couldn't speak to Boundless, or that that Elyas and Perrin can't communicate telepathically in some undiscovered way. It does seem like a contradiction if what we already know is true, though.

"Do you ever visit wolves in your dreams, Elyas?" Perrin asked. "A place where dead wolves run and live again?"

Elyas turned, eyeing him. "That place is dangerous, Perrin. It's another world, although tied to this one somehow. Legends say the Aes Sedai of old could go there."

"And other people, too," Perrin said, thinking of Slayer.

"Be careful in the dream. I stay away from it." His scent was wary.

 

I'm assuming that by "as such" you mean specifically when Perrin has encounters with Noam as "Boundless". This is a contradiction that stuck out to me as well. Elyas and Perrin are both wolfbrothers but they can't communicate with each other like they can with the wolves. Noam is (by all indications) also a wolfbrother and Perrin seems able to communicate with him on some level when he first encounters him in (I believe) tDRch8. The only explanation I can come up with is similar to your line of thinking. Since Noam consciously chose his wolf identity over his human one he is more wolf than man. Therefore, wolfbrothers can "talk" to him. Maybe it was explained in some quote from Jordan or Sanderson... But I haven't seen it.

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Thanks for answering, and I can see that Olver might have been spreading this or that. Ah, just as I re-read ToM another question strucks me.

 

The first time we see the ToG, it is Perrin hunting Slayer right? So heres the question. Does Slayer not enter the Tower? What so is he's connection to it?

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We don't see what happens with Slayer. We can infer all we want, but nothing says where he went (at least I don't recall seeing any such thing). He could have willed himself somewhere else or stepped out of the dream while hidden or something else I'm not thinking of. Or he could have gone into the tower. But we have no idea. My thought on how the Luc/Isam amalgam came to be is it is something that happened at Shayol Ghul but beyond that I've no clear ideas. /shrug

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So I went through about 15 pages of questions and didn't notice an answer or question about this but..

 

 

How is it that in one Chapter focusing on Perrin you see him refer to and talk to Tam Al'thor yet the very next Chapter has Tam in Tear when the Rand reappears and they have a father/son moment.

 

How is this possible, given there was no sign of traveling? or am I just missing something in a prior book/chapter? I'm just over Half way through the ToM but the question has been bothering me.

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So I went through about 15 pages of questions and didn't notice an answer or question about this but..

 

 

How is it that in one Chapter focusing on Perrin you see him refer to and talk to Tam Al'thor yet the very next Chapter has Tam in Tear when the Rand reappears and they have a father/son moment.

 

How is this possible, given there was no sign of traveling? or am I just missing something in a prior book/chapter? I'm just over Half way through the ToM but the question has been bothering me.

It has been answered a couple of times, but basically timelines are out of whack. Perrins timeline is behind Rand's, Perrins doesn't catch up until later - at one point Tam approaches Perrin and says he has to leave, can't say much except Aes Sedai are involved. This point in Perrins timeline coincides with Nynaeve heading out and getting Tam in TGS, Nynaeve is teh AS that Tam can't say much about.

When we follow Rand, his timeline continues on from the end of TGS, where Tam has already been picked up.

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So I went through about 15 pages of questions and didn't notice an answer or question about this but..

 

 

How is it that in one Chapter focusing on Perrin you see him refer to and talk to Tam Al'thor yet the very next Chapter has Tam in Tear when the Rand reappears and they have a father/son moment.

 

How is this possible, given there was no sign of traveling? or am I just missing something in a prior book/chapter? I'm just over Half way through the ToM but the question has been bothering me.

It has been answered a couple of times, but basically timelines are out of whack. Perrins timeline is behind Rand's, Perrins doesn't catch up until later - at one point Tam approaches Perrin and says he has to leave, can't say much except Aes Sedai are involved. This point in Perrins timeline coincides with Nynaeve heading out and getting Tam in TGS, Nynaeve is teh AS that Tam can't say much about.

When we follow Rand, his timeline continues on from the end of TGS, where Tam has already been picked up.

 

Okay well I suppose that does make sense, Ya that is the part I am referring to thou, Thanks for the answer it had been bothering me, especially with a book of this magnitude a slip up like that could be really bad ;)

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Has it been resolved if having a well-Ter'Angreal allows a person to channel even if they are being shielded by someone else ?

We already know it can inside Far Madding, and there appears to be no consensus on if it would work in a Stedding.

Since (per Rand) the paralis-net was designed and available in the AOL I can't think of any other reason to build a well.

 

This would be somewhat of a copout, but maybe he doesn't care when the AS are shielding him because he has his original P-net back from somewhere. I already know he has a statue of a man that "feels warm to the touch", which to me personally sounds more like something filled up with Saidin waiting to be used rather than an Angreal as it's speculated to be.

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I still find it a bit weird that Asmodean would be that scared of Graendal, and that Graendal wouldnt wear a disguise. But eh, its done, mystery is solved. Time to move on :P

 

Mystery isn't completely solved... we still don't conclusively know how the "where" he was killed made it impossible for the DO to transmigrate his soul. We have some good guesses... but until someone spells it out, it's not over.

At this point, who cares? He's dead, she killed him, WHERE or HOW she did it is very unlikely to affect the rest of the story.

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I still find it a bit weird that Asmodean would be that scared of Graendal, and that Graendal wouldnt wear a disguise. But eh, its done, mystery is solved. Time to move on :P

 

Mystery isn't completely solved... we still don't conclusively know how the "where" he was killed made it impossible for the DO to transmigrate his soul. We have some good guesses... but until someone spells it out, it's not over.

At this point, who cares? He's dead, she killed him, WHERE or HOW she did it is very unlikely to affect the rest of the story.

Did she now?

She is responsible, no 2 ways about it, but did she actually kill him?

The killer is still unidentified.

The very wording of being responsible makes it highly suspect to claim her for the deed when we see who else she is responsible for the deaths of - neither of the 2 other forsaken did she kill, and one of them wasn't even foreseeable by her, she ismerely held responsible because something she did turned out wrong compared to her plans.

 

Thus, taking RJ's words "sometimes a straight answer is the most devious of all" Graendal did not kill Asmodean (herself) but is merely responsible for his death. (Yes, I went there, now prove me wrong :P)

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So, has anyone ever wondered how the Seanchan get all of the a'dam? The only reasonable explanation is that they have someone who is able to create ter'angreal, right?

The a'dam are made by damane. I think this is mentioned in TGH when Egwene is collared; it is mentioned that damane who can make a'dam are prized and coddled.

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You say ONLY like it's some simple accomplishment. We've seen no one else even contemplating the possibility.

Why would they? Birgitte was a rarity because she existed in the dream not as a figment of someone else's imagination, like people in nightmares, but as a real person, albeit one without a physical form in the real world. In fact, I think I recall from one of Birgitte's first POVs that her and maybe other Heroes in the Dream usually avoided contact with dreamers because of some set of rules.

Basic point here, why would anyone try to rip a dream-person like Birgitte out of the dream if they weren't even aware for the existence of people like her?

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Question: Didn't Mat promise to remain in Caemlyn for 30 days? Didn't he break that oath by visiting Perrin outside of Whitebridge?

If I'm remembering right, Mat didn't open the letter, Olver did it while Mat was gone.

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I still find it a bit weird that Asmodean would be that scared of Graendal, and that Graendal wouldnt wear a disguise. But eh, its done, mystery is solved. Time to move on :P

 

Mystery isn't completely solved... we still don't conclusively know how the "where" he was killed made it impossible for the DO to transmigrate his soul. We have some good guesses... but until someone spells it out, it's not over.

At this point, who cares? He's dead, she killed him, WHERE or HOW she did it is very unlikely to affect the rest of the story.

Did she now?

She is responsible, no 2 ways about it, but did she actually kill him?

The killer is still unidentified.

The very wording of being responsible makes it highly suspect to claim her for the deed when we see who else she is responsible for the deaths of - neither of the 2 other forsaken did she kill, and one of them wasn't even foreseeable by her, she ismerely held responsible because something she did turned out wrong compared to her plans.

 

Thus, taking RJ's words "sometimes a straight answer is the most devious of all" Graendal did not kill Asmodean (herself) but is merely responsible for his death. (Yes, I went there, now prove me wrong :P)

Point taken. I shouldn't have worded it that way. At any rate, I have never really understood the Asmodean obsession. IMO, he was one of the LEAST interesting of the Forsaken, and I think it's entirely possible that RJ killed him off the way he did so that there could at least be SOMETHING exciting about him.

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I still find it a bit weird that Asmodean would be that scared of Graendal, and that Graendal wouldnt wear a disguise. But eh, its done, mystery is solved. Time to move on :P

 

Mystery isn't completely solved... we still don't conclusively know how the "where" he was killed made it impossible for the DO to transmigrate his soul. We have some good guesses... but until someone spells it out, it's not over.

At this point, who cares? He's dead, she killed him, WHERE or HOW she did it is very unlikely to affect the rest of the story.

Did she now?

She is responsible, no 2 ways about it, but did she actually kill him?

The killer is still unidentified.

The very wording of being responsible makes it highly suspect to claim her for the deed when we see who else she is responsible for the deaths of - neither of the 2 other forsaken did she kill, and one of them wasn't even foreseeable by her, she ismerely held responsible because something she did turned out wrong compared to her plans.

 

Thus, taking RJ's words "sometimes a straight answer is the most devious of all" Graendal did not kill Asmodean (herself) but is merely responsible for his death. (Yes, I went there, now prove me wrong :P)

Point taken. I shouldn't have worded it that way. At any rate, I have never really understood the Asmodean obsession. IMO, he was one of the LEAST interesting of the Forsaken, and I think it's entirely possible that RJ killed him off the way he did so that there could at least be SOMETHING exciting about him.

I quite agree with the Asmodean hype, in the end the mystery is more important than the solution, and I hope it stays as is now, with no definite answer to who did the deed - just so we have something to speculate on which doesn't matter :)

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Question: Didn't Mat promise to remain in Caemlyn for 30 days? Didn't he break that oath by visiting Perrin outside of Whitebridge?

If I'm remembering right, the gateway remains open... so Mat didn't really leave caemlyn

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I haven't read the whole thread, but is it possible that Mesaana is faking her condition? Would a Forsaken stoop to the level of soiling herself if it mean winning TG?

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