[DPR Mafia] Suras 4 - Mafia wins!

[ed2funy]

Ok..need to really put my thoughts out there before my LOA.

Will be really busy the next week or so. :-\

 

And yes, I will go over everything. >_<

 

I'm here. Am I the only one who got goosebumps reading that?

 

 

 

[glow=red,2,300]unvote, vote Lily[/glow]

 

Non-joke vote; with 48 hour deadlines in a game this size we can't afford to hang around without voting.

Started out with putting pressure for people to vote. Reasonable, but didn't have to approach it so.

 

Hmmm Nae jumped in ahead of my, but I'll vote for [glow=red,2,300]pandy[/glow] anyway.

 

Pandy, you chose to ignore 2 things in your argument.  

 

1)  Wombat also posted without voting and you didn't even mention him nor why Lily instead of Wombat.

2)  The rules state that the person with the most votes not necessarily the person with the majority will be lynched.

 

You sound like you are trying to manufacture a case against someone which means scum.

1. Good point.

2. Great point.

The last bit: Meh, didn't really agree with that.

 

 

Different isn't bad, Pandy, darling. I'll vote, but I don't think I need to vote with my "hello." Believe it or not, I've been too busy today to give this much thought. You seem a bit bloodthirsty to me, love. Luckily, my vote doesn't require much thought after that.

 

 

[glow=red,2,300]Pandy[/glow]

 

Really? Or was Jeran just defending you?

 

'Bloodthirsty' would imply that I want you dead; my vote at this stage at the game is of course simply to gain information, not from any sincere desire to see you dead just yet. If I were bloodthirsty, I would be doing something like hopping on the wagon with the most votes, right?  ;)

 

And hi Bella! Who're your scumbuddies?

 

ZING

*nods*

 

 

Aust(1): Red

 

with it not being a hammer game i agree that there's no push for the voting like what Pandy is suggesting.  but i can also see where he's coming from with the deadlines being so short.

 

but in every game i've been in with Pandy, it's seems like normal for him to jump around on votes on to get reactions out of people.  

 

 

Actually I see this being used as an excuse not to vote. We should all be voting and encouraged to vote. I would prefer to see someone lynched because of a majority than because the got the most votes, because everyone else was too lazy or just hiding to vote. This makes you look suspicious in my eyes.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Red[/glow]

 

I agree and disagree. Both points are valid, and neither side was pushing their case. Just making a note.

 

Adella, you go from 'bad excuse' and 'slip up' to 'scummy' without quite explaining why and seemingly without due consideration. I understand why you consider my actions to not match up to the ideal, slow, methodical townie; yet it is a large jump from 'townie who focused on one person who did not vote' to 'mafioso who deliberately targeted one person'. I accept that you may be town wishing to judge my reaction to pressure, though the general tone of your post seems to me to indicate that you are more likely scum trying to get a wagon on an easy target. To indicate why, I shall first explain my observations of the game of mafia. These observations are the result of much playing of mafia - far too much, really, to be healthy.

 

Town wins by scumhunting - the process of finding mafia. Ideally, every townie should be doing this during the day to maximise their benefit to the town and therefore enhance their chances of winning. This involves voting for people, lynching people, and analysing reactions and behaviour of people involved in such. This is why I don't like it when people don't bother voting, especially given our 48 hour deadline.

 

Mafia win by devious manipulation of the town into mislynching, which they accomplish by pretending to scumhunt. Obviously, due to their alignment, they cannot actually scumhunt unless there are multiple teams of mafia in the game, and even then not very well. Since they cannot scumhunt, their play can at times be 'unnatural' as they try to fit in or steer the town (here we view scumhunting from another angle: the town's spotting of this unnatural behaviour leads to the mafia's downfall), and this - to get to the point - is what I fear that I see in Adella's play. She displays a lamentable lack of scumhunting and a regrettable surfeit of bandwagoning.

 

Woah, I hear you say! All this, Pandy, from a single vote? Aren't you moving a bit fast, becoming Mynd version II, stirring the grass to cut the snakes? Well... maybe. However, consider also her ridiculous accusation that Red and I are on the same team, trying to simultaneously lead the town in two different directions in the hope that one will stick - and this while she agrees that both Red and I have good points! Pah. Jeran - Lily - Adella. I'm calling it now.

So....I skimmed this about 3 times. :D

Then read it.

Annoyingly long post about the game itself, but damn good points. lol.

 

 

I don't see why we can't randomly assign people to Find each other if they haven't already used it...

Assign someone to use random.org, and print screen who gets matched with you. Of course, we would have to know who already used theirs.

 

My actualy reasoning wasn't that long, it just made sense ::)

I disagree.  

 

If I think Player X is super scummish (that one's for you, Verbal  ;) ), I'm going to do everything I can to persuade the other players to vote for him.  Attempting to lead the players somewhere is not in itself scummy.  It's part of the game.  If the reasoning behind the persuasion is incorrect, incomplete, etc. then I'd see your point.  But...

 

From your post, I got the understanding that:

a) Pandy is trying to lead the players to not hold back from voting

b) Pandy has a good point

c) Pandy is the scummiest player in the game so far for calling out Lily on it

I agree with a) and b).  But I do not see how a) and b) lead to c).

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote

Vote Adella[/glow]

I agree that Adella hadn't used a wall of text, because I do that same thing. You can't really count quotes in there, imo.

But Jeran makes some good points there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Crap. Sorry. Fell asleep at the computer. >_<

 

I need to get ready for the hotel and MEPS again.

 

omg, new replies still! This is going to be a bitch to catch up on.

[Hybrid]

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote and vote Adella[/glow]

 

At the very least, we'll learn a little more about this whole faction vs. alignment thing.  Though I'm still leaning towards there being either less than 10 mafia or mafia mixed into each group.  Otherwise, why would we be told that only the mafia know who their candidate is?

[Jeran]

I just realised my last post was dumb since I mis-read something.

[mmeeshal]

We don't have enough to go on, right now.  We don't know what's behind everyone's actions, what their motivations are, so that's why I think we can't assign a town or mafia alignment to either the Beva Perrada and his supporters, or to the Bova Perrada and his supporters.

So we don’t know enough to lynch anyone? Or we know we don’t know, so let’s just lynch at random until we hit something that tells us what to do? Trying to figure out where your sentiments are going.

 

Here’s a question. Will we only know who the candidates are at the end? Do we vote literally beva or bova or by person’s name or what? Cause it’s really losing me on the vote thing.

I'm sorry.  I thought I had made it clear that I was talking about the story--people wanted to assign town to beva and mafia to bova based on the story, which I think is ridiculous, we don't have THAT much to go on in the story.  Lynching Adella should help a bit, but it still takes concrete evidence from the game itself to prove what's going on with the factions and the alignments, not just the story.

 

Now that that's cleared up.

 

I do agree with the question you posted, I'm kind of confused about how the vote is going to work.

[Naeann]

I'm for testing Lily's read here...

 

 

[glow=red,2,300]Adella[/glow]

[aemonkristen]

[glow=red,2,300]unvote

 

Adella[/glow]

 

Let's see how this turns out.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

[glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow]

[glow=red,2,300]vote adella[/glow]

 

 

I'm with everyone else.

[mnwhiterose]

Before we lynch poor Adella, can we get her thoughts? I'm always up for letting someone defend themselves before we give 'em the ol' heave-ho. Did anyone else have a viewing last night?

 

And you people post way too much! What is up with the huge walls of text? IMO, it is the perfect way for a mafia/anti-town to slip in and post utter nonsense, but everyone believes them. I sift through legal stuff all day - I can tell when someone is trying to pull the wool over my eyes with long paragraphs.

 

I think it is a great idea to have more than 1 person view a 'candidate' (for lack of a better term) a night, so that we have a back-up viewing. For example: Player 1 and player 2 view me during the night and I come up Town (naturally). However, if player 2 were mafia, he could easily say I am mafia and try to get me lynched. But, if Player 1 were to pipe up and say "No, I viewed Rose and she is innocent" - we know someone is lying. And since we all agree that I cannot be mafia, we can start rooting out the mafia players.

 

Of course, the failing of this logic is that the finder roles are quickly used up before we get through half of the players. Which will only help the mafia.

[LilyElizabeth]

Rose, I know I'll be next to swing if she is anything but what I said she was. That really is all the backup we need, isn't it?

[Lavinya]

You people vote an awful lot in an awfully short space of time :P.

 

Can I just say, Barm is prancing his vote all over the shop with very little encouragement. *sniffs the air for scum*

 

I don't like switching my vote up a lot, it's like undermining myself. That being said, what's the point in having only one vote on someone while another person swings. I'm still wary of Lordof13 and more and more so of Barm. But from Lily's post, Adella does appear to be guilty. Certainly not a minister's man!

 

unvote

 

vote Adella

[Aust]

Hey guys! I'm back - and just getting up to speed (I was on LOA until today). My that was a lot to read for my bleary eyes!!! I'm covered in sunburn and still have sand stuck in places one definitely does NOT want to have sand stuck, but I couldn't wait to plop myself down and delve in here!! (which, incidentally, is irritating the indelicately placed sand!!)

 

Anyhow, the most pressing right now seems to be our darling Lily's information! What I found most curious though was Pete's case of her, which I won't quote in it's entirety - but give you the link in case you're inclined to review it.

 

 

***LILY CASE****

 

*****TALYA FOS******

 

Her role fishing for a finder type role IMO is pretty scummy for day 1. More like a symp play pointing the mafia towards a nk target but scummy nevertheless.

 

Or she could be setting Lily up for her to fake claim finder. Either way it is a scummy move.

 

 

First off - Pete you didn't even address the whole matter of Lily's viewing results, which she posted before you presented this case? Can you tell us your thoughts on that? Or why you'd neglect to put that in your case?

 

Second, regarding your notes on Talya - I need some clarification for myself. I was assuming since we all got one viewing ability, that there wouldn't be a finder in the game. Can anyone say otherwise?

 

 

Now, I have to say I practically worship Pete's prowess in mafia and I've learned a lot playing from him! But this seems to me like some big difficulties in his post. I was actually fairly suspicious of Lily before Pete's case, and I almost wonder if this was a gambit between the two of them.

 

There is a litmus test of sorts for Lily - it seems Adella is accruing the majority of the votes, and if she flips as Lily claimed she would, we'll have at least part of an answer. My problem right now is - I don't feel like I have a great understanding of what exactly this Bonda designation is. Yes yes I can read what Lily posted just fine - but are we sure that the mafia is aligned with the Challenger/Bova and that town is aligned with Minister/Beva? And are we really certain that there is actually a neutral faction? I read through a lot very quickly, and I might have missed these details. If anyone could give some more information, I'd be very appreciative!

 

Finally, I'd like to hear from Adella before casting my vote.

 

Deadline is on Saturday, is that correct?

 

 

[LilyElizabeth]

Aust, read the first two posts on this page: http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,56878.156.html

 

and this:

 

 

I'll explain everything before we begin, so don't worry too much about trying to catch up on Suras lore - that could take a while. heh

Bonda Perrada is a new term to Suras, (or, to my knowledge, anywehere else) and is the name given to those that support a leader who will attempt to overthrow the ruling Minister. This leader is known as the Bova Perrada.

 

The words are from the ancient Jaorlin tongue, as is the word Sinta, and the practice of double naming in general (Sel Arren, Sel Erratz, Des Leera, etc.

 

But like I said, we'll get to all of that. 

 

That will help with some of your questions.

[Lavinya]

oops forgot to glow

 

[glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow]

 

[glow=red,2,300]vote Adella[/glow]

[Barmacral]

Can I just say, Barm is prancing his vote all over the shop with very little encouragement. *sniffs the air for scum*

 

I don't like switching my vote up a lot, it's like undermining myself. That being said, what's the point in having only one vote on someone while another person swings. I'm still wary of Lordof13 and more and more so of Barm. But from Lily's post, Adella does appear to be guilty. Certainly not a minister's man!

 

Not really, I've had a good reason for every vote except Verbal's (blatantly guaging reaction there) and Lia's (first vote of the game).

[DPR]

 

The narcotic is sweet on the back of her tongue and the scent of flowers fills her senses, though there are no flowers here. There have never been flowers here.

 

Her awareness is lifted from her like a cloud and she can feel her breath coursing through her body, coming in through her skin, and radiating outward like a piece of her. In essence, this is exactly what is happening.

 

She slowly opens her eyes, the light that emanates from them filling the dark cavern with their pale blue light.

 

The stone clutched in her fist glows with the same pale blue color, though it is perfectly shaped, and her eyes are not. Her irises are shredded from using too much bonestone, and at some point, they would fragment and leave her blind. Only, she would never truly be blind as long as she used the stones.

 

Breathing in deeply, she cast out to feel The Hall above her, and she could. She could feel them all, and she could know what was in their hearts and minds.

 

The Dreaming God stone pulsed in her hand, granting her greater power and pulling more of her into it at the same time. She could see more now…feel more…and the warnings came back to her…

 

Never use the blackstones alone. Never use the trapstones alone. But above all, never, ever use the godstones alone.

 

All of the stones were said to be actual fragments of the god. But the godstones came from the heart of he god and held the most power.

 

Her back arched as power surged through her. It was then that she knew what it was, and that it only waited for her to be able to handle it. There was so much…

 

Her senses exploded from her and her power filled the Hall, and then grew bigger. She could see the ocean, the floating cities, and the ships in between. She could see the mainland across the water, and she jumped a little as she sensed Xoc, though that entity was still far, far away.

 

Struggling for control, she pulled all of that power back into herself and focused to complete the task she had started.  

 

There were those in the Hall who would see it destroyed, and that could not be allowed to happen.

 

In the Hall, there were forever political struggles, power grabs, and claims over the Ministry. But rarely did one threaten the very fabric of their existence.

 

This time, the threat was very well hidden, very real, and designed to bring the Hall and all of its secrets to its knees.

 

She searched with her new eyes, and found interlopers at the gates. That could be problematic. An unguarded gate could allow any number of threats inside.

 

There were black hearts surrounding the Minister, and black hearts surrounding the Captain ho had claimed Beva Perrada.

 

Interestingly, there were black hearts surrounding the challenger as well, the Bova Perrada. Those black hearts grew until their light threatened to swallow the pale blue that surrounded the woman, and she realized the trap without a moment to spare…pulling back and letting the light from the stone withdraw back into the crystal. Safe from the other stone user, she hoped.

 

Her eyes still carried a faint glow from the use of the stone, and would for a few hours, so she went to the bedding she had prepared and lay down to rest.

 

If others were already using the blackstone to thwart her, she may be too later after all.

 

THE DEADLINE FOR DAY 2 IS IN JUST UNDER 24 HOURS.

 

Adella (14) - Hybrid, Lily, Pookie, Barm, Meesh, Tigs, Talya, JLM, Jeran, Pete, Alys, Nae, Aemon, Lavi

 

With 30 players, it takes 16 to lynch.

 

[Lord of 13]

Holy crap! Miss just one day... I'm withholding my vote until a re-read. I've skimmed so far, and Adella seems to be the best bet, but I'm in favor of letting her say her piece first.

[mmeeshal]

Well, to clarify for some of the newcomers, some of us are voting Adella for information, not necessarily because we think she's guilty.

 

I for one am voting Adella to help us figure out the whole faction/alignment thing.

 

Also, I really wish Al Jenn had told us what the wording of his result was, instead of just saying it wasn't "Captain."  It would be very helpful to know what other sorts of results there are besides "Captain" and "Bonda Perrada."

 

Anyway, in the case of those of us voting her for information, I am pretty sure her defending herself isn't going to sway us too much--ultimately, we have to lynch SOMEONE for information, if we don't find anyone acting too scummy.

[cosmicpanda]

don't lynch Adella! She's Bonda Perrada, which I think is town, right?

 

If I'm wrong, lynch away

[mmeeshal]

Honestly, I don't think any single faction IS just town or just mafia.

 

That's what I'm hoping we can test, here.

[cosmicpanda]

no need to vote for her. I cop investigated her and she's Bonda Perrada, so I think that's what we'd get from the coroner, too.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vote Meesh[/glow]

[Hybrid]

Well, well, well...

 

Never use the blackstones alone. Never use the trapstones alone. But above all, never, ever use the godstones alone.

Worth noting for future reference.

 

In the Hall, there were forever political struggles, power grabs, and claims over the Ministry. But rarely did one threaten the very fabric of their existence.

 

This time, the threat was very well hidden, very real, and designed to bring the Hall and all of its secrets to its knees.

There were black hearts surrounding the Minister, and black hearts surrounding the Captain ho had claimed Beva Perrada.

 

Interestingly, there were black hearts surrounding the challenger as well, the Bova Perrada.

I'm liking my original theory about the mafia more and more now.

 

She searched with her new eyes, and found interlopers at the gates. That could be problematic. An unguarded gate could allow any number of threats inside.

Possibly moral dilemma/call-response coming up...

 

[Red2111]

First off before I go into my quoting frenzy (6 pages and lots of info to go over) I want to say I used my view as well and got a very weird response

 

The person who I viewed was cloudy and therefore I got no results.  When I asked Wes for clarification, he said it was because of the bronestone.

 

At the time I though it might be because I voted No Lynch, as a punishment of some sort.  But with Raisa’s death scene I’m thinking one of two things now

 

1. the use of Bronestone effected some of us and negated our actions last night or disrupted them.

2. the person I viewed is Raisa.  (something I haven’t asked clarification for but suspect I’d receive a PAFO)

 

did this happen to anyone else?  Because if it did, then it could be that Wes messed with some of us last night as a punishment for the No Lynch vote.  I’ll not name the person I viewed as I don’t want to paint a target on their back, because if they are Raisa I’m thinking it wouldn’t be good for us to those them.

 

i wanted to post this earlier once people started talking about views, but around that time my HP mafia game ended and i had mod duties to tend to; plus pesky work got in the way an hour before leaving.

 

will be back with my opinion of current game events shortly :)

 

[mmeeshal]

i wanted to post this earlier once people started talking about views, but around that time my HP mafia game ended and i had mod duties to tend to; plus pesky work got in the way an hour before leaving.

Er, just to clarify, did you really mean the HP mafia game ended, or that the night phase ended?  I am mildly confused, just want to be sure. :D

[Alys Kinch]

i agree with hybrid's post. call and response or moral dilemma will likely deal with the gates or the gates vs something else.

 

re: storyline- no faction seems safe. fun, fun, but since we had already guessed that, i also agree with meesh that it's unlikely to derail on the chance of verifying the beva/bova thing even though i think Pandy's right about how the coroner's report will look. (holy crap! new record. i never agree with so many people. don't tell the hubby! he might try to get in on that action.) get back to this in a moment.

 

i wanted to add re: storyline- the bone

stone is trapped. we'll have to be careful using it. it may kill us or some other fun thing!

 

ok that leaves aust's post. the bit about no finder may be false, but this may not be a role so much as a bone stone which theory is helped by the woman searching out the black hearts with hers...

 

you are right on him missing lily's reveal, but i read it like he was only going up until he accused her. could be wrong though.

 

to aust and back to the Pandy agreement- i'm beginning to guess that the whole point of the game is to figure out which to vote for, beva or bova, before end game. this would be supported by a fickle coroner.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

Hey guys! I'm back - and just getting up to speed (I was on LOA until today). My that was a lot to read for my bleary eyes!!! I'm covered in sunburn and still have sand stuck in places one definitely does NOT want to have sand stuck, but I couldn't wait to plop myself down and delve in here!! (which, incidentally, is irritating the indelicately placed sand!!)

 

Anyhow, the most pressing right now seems to be our darling Lily's information! What I found most curious though was Pete's case of her, which I won't quote in it's entirety - but give you the link in case you're inclined to review it.

 

 

***LILY CASE****

 

*****TALYA FOS******

 

Her role fishing for a finder type role IMO is pretty scummy for day 1. More like a symp play pointing the mafia towards a nk target but scummy nevertheless.

 

Or she could be setting Lily up for her to fake claim finder. Either way it is a scummy move.

 

 

First off - Pete you didn't even address the whole matter of Lily's viewing results, which she posted before you presented this case? Can you tell us your thoughts on that? Or why you'd neglect to put that in your case?

 

Second, regarding your notes on Talya - I need some clarification for myself. I was assuming since we all got one viewing ability, that there wouldn't be a finder in the game. Can anyone say otherwise?

 

 

Now, I have to say I practically worship Pete's prowess in mafia and I've learned a lot playing from him! But this seems to me like some big difficulties in his post. I was actually fairly suspicious of Lily before Pete's case, and I almost wonder if this was a gambit between the two of them.

 

There is a litmus test of sorts for Lily - it seems Adella is accruing the majority of the votes, and if she flips as Lily claimed she would, we'll have at least part of an answer. My problem right now is - I don't feel like I have a great understanding of what exactly this Bonda designation is. Yes yes I can read what Lily posted just fine - but are we sure that the mafia is aligned with the Challenger/Bova and that town is aligned with Minister/Beva? And are we really certain that there is actually a neutral faction? I read through a lot very quickly, and I might have missed these details. If anyone could give some more information, I'd be very appreciative!

 

Finally, I'd like to hear from Adella before casting my vote.

 

Deadline is on Saturday, is that correct?

 

 

 

Basically my internet has been crazy and I didn't read about her viewing. I still don't believe it 100% or even 85% to tell the truth. I think it is a little to convenient and the way Lily coupled her viewing with fishing for reactions seems off.

 

But I don't think everyone has a viewing, I think that is a guess that may or may not be true, but it has opened the door for an epic mafia win. That way if Player x is mafia they can say the viewed player y and clear them as innocent or get a dangerous player lynched. The can also keep reusing the role claim. I don't see Wes giving everyone a viewing because it would end the game rather quickly. Innocents can nominate someone for a viewing during day and run through people and then make for a rather quick defeat of the scum.

 

So I am not on board with the everyone gets a viewing thing.