Will Perrin become a new betrayer of hope?

[delathi]

All throughout Faile's capture by the Shaido, we see Perrin' PoV where he says on more than one occasion that nothing and nothing was more important to him than Faile, not Rand, not the Seanchan, not even the last battle against the Shadow. He even says on multiple occasions that he would make a deal with the Dark One to get her back.

 

Maybe this wasn't just hyperbole.

 

Surely there are darkfriends who have noticed this and can report.

If she dies, the dark one can actually bring her back, that's a pretty powerful lever.

 

 

[Jonas Dagaard]

interesting idea, but one that leads to a dead end imo.  he is a man deeply in love and we all say things that we dont mean when the stress is applied.  in his case, I think it would be considered bluster more than fact.  if anything, should Faile die I believe he would become death incarnate to the entities that casued her demise.  he would in effect become a rabid wolf seeking the death and destruction of that which dared to take his Faile away from him forever.  in this rabid state he would cast off everything and everyone, unless he could somehow use them to further his goal of leveling vengence upon the guilty party.  

 

just my quick opinion on the mental status of Perrin if placed in this situation~

[delathi]

interesting idea, but one that leads to a dead end imo.  he is a man deeply in love and we all say things that we dont mean when the stress is applied.  in his case, I think it would be considered bluster more than fact.  if anything, should Faile die I believe he would become death incarnate to the entities that casued her demise.  he would in effect become a rabid wolf seeking the death and destruction of that which dared to take his Faile away from him forever.  in this rabid state he would cast off everything and everyone, unless he could somehow use them to further his goal of leveling vengence upon the guilty party.  

 

just my quick opinion on the mental status of Perrin if placed in this situation~

 

And if he was convinced that she was killed by Rand (lied to or possibly she becomes a victim of friendly fire)...

And if Moridin/Ishy comes to him in the wolf dream to tell him that Faile can be brought back to life like he was...

 

I don't think it is actually going to happen and I think this is really just a false lead to make the reader wonder, but it is an interesting scenario.

[Jonas Dagaard]

And if he was convinced that she was killed by Rand (lied to or possibly she becomes a victim of friendly fire)...

convinced would be hard to pull off BUT the friendly fire scenerio presents an intersting situation.  given "friendly fire" I believe he would not necessarily "go after" the cause, but could see him completely closing them off from his life as much as possible.  given his duty and placement I do believe he would continue his efforts in trying to help...although this would definately place a strain on is relationship with the party involved, whether Rand or someone else.

 

And if Moridin/Ishy comes to him in the wolf dream to tell him that Faile can be brought back to life like he was...

I actually think while he would be tempted by the offer he would eventually reject it given my personal perception on his character…~

[BeckeyLee]

It's understandable as a possible theory. I think Perrin even worries about it sometimes. He has always struggled with how to control his wolf side and whether or not the rage will take over him someday. The hope and I suppose expectation is that he will figure out how to control himself, but you never know what kind of twist RJ has planned.

[Hadilmir]

Hmm, mayhaps Perrin will be the Gollum figure of this series? That would be a huge twist on the twice he must be there to save Rand viewing. (I highly doubt* this scenario, but I think if RJ wanted to, he could have pulled something like that off wonderfully)

 

*Actually, I completely doubt it. Hold me to that if I ever try to say "I told you so" because I didn't told you anything.

[Giovanni]

I don't think that Perrin would be a betrayer of hope.  We see several times throughout the series that he has to be present at the last battle along with Mat in order for Rand to have a chance at winning.

 

It would be pretty lame if the battle being fought the entire series is due to Perrin turning over at the end.

[Trumpeter]

It would be an interesting POV if Perrin became fully Young Bull, then go on to fight and kill Slayer, then pull himself from the brink, possibly by seeing Faile in trouble or even dead.

[farthammer]

I'm hoping they pull a Romeo and Juliet and both of them independently go over to the Shadow under the presumption that making the personal sacrifice would rescue the other from some horrible fate they'd been lead to believe.  Then they run into eachother, kill themselves immediately when they see what happened so I can actually read the book without having to skip over so many pages.

[BeckeyLee]

It would be an interesting POV if Perrin became fully Young Bull, then go on to fight and kill Slayer, then pull himself from the brink, possibly by seeing Faile in trouble or even dead.

 

I actually think if he went wolf that far and then found Faile dead, he would just give up on being human. Staying wolf and just hoping he would forget everything from his human life. I haven't seen anything that says he has to be human at TG.

 

On a personal note, I don't think that is what will actually happen, and frankly it would kind of suck. I'd like to see him be able to go back to the Two Rivers and be happy being a Lord with Faile. I just think that if Faile died, he might just give up on life.

[Beer Rot]

Please don't raise my hopes that Faile will be killed, its not nice.

[Mat Comes With The Dawn]

Hell no. It's kind of hard to equal Ishamael, much less top him.

 

But he easily could turn to the shadow, if that's what you're saying. Perrin has kind of become simple minded, Faile is the brains and balls in that relationship, whenever she's not too busy being a damsel in distress.

[Shadow Rider]

Un-fkn-believable.

[Impressive Bosom]

All throughout Faile's capture by the Shaido, we see Perrin' PoV where he says on more than one occasion that nothing and nothing was more important to him than Faile, not Rand, not the Seanchan, not even the last battle against the Shadow. He even says on multiple occasions that he would make a deal with the Dark One to get her back.

 

Maybe this wasn't just hyperbole.

 

Surely there are darkfriends who have noticed this and can report.

If she dies, the dark one can actually bring her back, that's a pretty powerful lever.

 

 

Its a very interesting theory... but I don't think the wolves would ever let him turn. I can see him going completely feral before going over to the Dark side. Of the original Emond Fielder's, Perrin's morality has always been the strongest.

[Durinax]

I would be seriously pissed if Perrin turned coat. . . Mat on the otherhand I could almsot believe him turning sides

[Agitel]

I don't think Perrin will.

 

If any will betray, I think it's Mat. Mat's reaction in tGH after using the Pillar Stone makes me think it may be him.

 

I do expect a betrayer, whether it's intentional or not.

[Muad Cheade]

If any will betray, I think it's Mat. Mat's reaction in tGH after using the Pillar Stone makes me think it may be him.

That is true...it could be the Big Unmentioned Thing Brandon was walking about.

 

You have to remember that Mat's wife is leading the Seanchan, one of Rand's (and Egwene's) current enemies.

[DemandredFO]

Mat's grown alot since TGH and so has the story.  I seriously doubt this incarnation of Mat would.  I always see Mat and Perrin as Demandred and Sammael respectively, no evidence just their descriptions and potential.  That could be something different, Mat and Perrin don't turn this time.

[Trumpeter]

I can't see either turning to the DO, especially Perrin because of the way he and the wolves feel about darkhounds.

[farthammer]

Nah I think despite the way his attitude is in the story Mat has been one of the more rational decision makers, relative to his peers at least.

[Cillian]

If any will betray, I think it's Mat. Mat's reaction in tGH after using the Pillar Stone makes me think it may be him.

That is true...it could be the Big Unmentioned Thing Brandon was walking about.

 

You have to remember that Mat's wife is leading the Seanchan, one of Rand's (and Egwene's) current enemies.

 

???

What does Toun being Empress have to do with Mat turning to the shadow? She's not evil.

[Durinax]

If any will betray, I think it's Mat. Mat's reaction in tGH after using the Pillar Stone makes me think it may be him.

That is true...it could be the Big Unmentioned Thing Brandon was walking about.

 

You have to remember that Mat's wife is leading the Seanchan, one of Rand's (and Egwene's) current enemies.

 

???

What does Toun being Empress have to do with Mat turning to the shadow? She's not evil.

I think the person who posted teh thing about the seanchan meant that this could be a stress point between mat and the other two taveren, and it could potentially be enough of a stress point to cause him to turn away from the other two (tripod)

[Muad Cheade]

I think the person who posted teh thing about the seanchan meant that this could be a stress point between mat and the other two taveren, and it could potentially be enough of a stress point to cause him to turn away from the other two (tripod)

Correct.

 

Perrin already committed treason somewhat by allying with the Seanchan and permitting them to take the Shaido Wise Ones...More channelers unrestricted by the Three Oaths....There will definitely be a fallout once knowledge of this becomes widespread.

 

I can see Mat being in a similar situation with Tuon being involved.

[Senexx]

I also believe if this happens, it is more likely to be Mat.

 

Look at all the symbols of the Dark One connected to him.

[Shadow Rider]

If Rand loses Mat or Perrin, he's toast.

Rand will fail if he loses either.