Blade of Light, Three Become One. (Full Spoilers).

[Agitel]

Rand himself finds it odd that Callandor, which is referenced a few times in the prophecies, hasn't had any important role at all in how things have proceeded. Take also Cadsuane's and Min's interpretation of this prophecy, and I think we have to realize that Callandor must be necessary for something.

 

I still think it was designed for use at the original sealing. Lews Therin believed that the Dark One needed to be touched for the seals to be placed correctly, and that touching would likely have to be done with the One Power. LT and others likely suspected that touching the DO with the OP could have serious consequences, at the least for the person doing the touching, and that person would need to remain living long enough for the seals to be put in place. Thus, a method would have to be devised to touch the Dark One but in a protected manner.

 

So, we get Callandor. It's more than a sa'angreal, it was designed with a specific purpose in mind. It isn't really flawed, it just isn't being used correctly when not used in a circle with two women (would this make it also a ter'angreal?). However, no women would help LT, so he was forced to take action with men only. Perhaps he used Callandor anyway (or maybe not), but inevitably the DO was able to taint saidin because it was in direct contact with him with no safeguards.

[Crael123]

idk.... it is weird how Callandor is mentioned so many times and never used.

[Javonite]

Wow, many posts to read through. I probably missed a lot of stuff being said, so I apologise in case I'm repeating ideas from someone else.

 

There's one triplet I didn't see anyone mention. Assuming the Moridin / Rand body swap occurs [before] it's time to use Callandor you could assemble the trio with Rand (Moridin), Cyndane and Moghedien. The cour'souvra is enough leverage to make the girls obedient.

 

I don't consider it a probable outcome, just an amusing thought. That being said, it's plausible that Moridin being Nae'blis is indeed planning something along those lines.

[Morsmordre]

I think the thing with Callandor is that it was made without a buffer so that the user would be forced to be in a circle with 2 other women because in a circle is how you are supposed to use Callandor because in a circle it is indeed more powerful then the Choedan Kal.

 

Woah.. Callandor stronger than CK with the circle thing!? What makes you assume that?

[thewalrus777]

I think the thing with Callandor is that it was made without a buffer so that the user would be forced to be in a circle with 2 other women because in a circle is how you are supposed to use Callandor because in a circle it is indeed more powerful then the Choedan Kal.

 

Woah.. Callandor stronger than CK with the circle thing!? What makes you assume that?

 

Callandor is not stronger than the CK. The circle is what makes it able to be controlled, not stronger.

[Morsmordre]

I think the thing with Callandor is that it was made without a buffer so that the user would be forced to be in a circle with 2 other women because in a circle is how you are supposed to use Callandor because in a circle it is indeed more powerful then the Choedan Kal.

 

Woah.. Callandor stronger than CK with the circle thing!? What makes you assume that?

 

Callandor is not stronger than the CK. The circle is what makes it able to be controlled, not stronger.

 

That's exactly the way I understand it :/ But this guy seems to think that Callandor in circle is stronger than CK.

[thewalrus777]

I think the thing with Callandor is that it was made without a buffer so that the user would be forced to be in a circle with 2 other women because in a circle is how you are supposed to use Callandor because in a circle it is indeed more powerful then the Choedan Kal.

 

Woah.. Callandor stronger than CK with the circle thing!? What makes you assume that?

 

Callandor is not stronger than the CK. The circle is what makes it able to be controlled, not stronger.

 

Yeah it's not. And that point has been clarified by RJ and BS I think.

 

That's exactly the way I understand it :/ But this guy seems to think that Callandor in circle is stronger than CK.

[Crael123]

I FIGURED IT OUT!!! the three will become one. the 3 are  THE DRAGON BANNER. CALLENDOR, AND THE HORN OF VALERE!!! the dragon banner= perrin ( he has been rands banner boy serveral times, Falme, and dumanies wells (sp?)  horn of valere= mat obviously, he blew it at falme. and callendor= rand the dragon. and he will hold the blade of light, aka callendor.

 

now rip me to shreds. i like the theory though.

[ed2funy]

*rips Craell to shreads*

:P

[WolfDragonFox]

At least you made it a clean rip Ed...lol

[Calderis]

I FIGURED IT OUT!!! the three will become one. the 3 are  THE DRAGON BANNER. CALLENDOR, AND THE HORN OF VALERE!!! the dragon banner= perrin ( he has been rands banner boy serveral times, Falme, and dumanies wells (sp?)   horn of valere= mat obviously, he blew it at falme. and callendor= rand the dragon. and he will hold the blade of light, aka callendor.

 

now rip me to shreds. i like the theory though.

 

I don't see much of a theory to rip... Your saying the three of them will all be what? in the same place? Somehow magically become one item? if it's the three Ta'veren all working together, what's become's one?

 

Not really catchin what your tryin to say.

[TitusPullo]

Hey all.  Sorry if this has already been hit upon, but I just don't have the patience to go through all 30 pages. Though I did see something about having to have 3 in the party and it being designed for sealing the bore and such, but not on its specific nature and purpose, so here's my two cents. My guess about Callandor is that it was designed specifically to force the people attempting to seal away the DO to use both saidar and saidin.  I would wager that the True power won't be used in the sealing since it's essentially part of the DO and I'm picturing someone being jailed and told that he is the cell door and it's on his honor to stay there.  Lews hinted at the failure and subsequent disasters to be a result of only having the male half used in the sealing. Since the only safe way to use it requires two other women and one of them directing the flows, there you have your fearsome threesome. I wonder if that Kinswoman with an almost Talent for shields will end up lending her expertise to the joining. Or did she get killed? If it goes awry then I guess they all go batty and begin adjusting skirts and knuckling foreheads like mad with many a sniff and hard stares for good measure.

[Crael123]

I FIGURED IT OUT!!! the three will become one. the 3 are  THE DRAGON BANNER. CALLENDOR, AND THE HORN OF VALERE!!! the dragon banner= perrin ( he has been rands banner boy serveral times, Falme, and dumanies wells (sp?)   horn of valere= mat obviously, he blew it at falme. and callendor= rand the dragon. and he will hold the blade of light, aka callendor.

 

now rip me to shreds. i like the theory though.

 

I don't see much of a theory to rip... Your saying the three of them will all be what? in the same place? Somehow magically become one item? if it's the three Ta'veren all working together, what's become's one?

 

Not really catchin what your tryin to say.

 

well they all come together. as one. with those things. sorry i wasnt clear. i got really excited and didnt think it through.... lol

[Crael123]

*rips Craell to shreads*

:P

 

thank you :D jk

[Morsmordre]

This looks like Diablo's Cube :D You transform the banner, the horn and the sword into a blade of light AHAHAHAHA :D

Actually, it's not that different from previous theories ;) It's just said in a different way - not that Perrin, Matt and Rand are going to become one but what they represent.

[Fel]

I understand that people are skeptical about how someone could use the TP to seal the bore, but based upon comments from LTT in the book, they need *something* to push the DO back through the bore and then use the OP to seal the bore. 

 

If they use the OP to push him back through the bore, then he will taint the OP.  Jordan had stated that in the AOL, if women had joined in, then both women AND men's powers would have been tainted, so you can't use saidar or saidin.  You need something else.

 

What else have we seen up to this point that could basically get the DO's arm out of the hole in pattern long enough to sew it up?  The OP will work great for sewing it up, but it can't push the DO back...so what else is there?

 

Then, you look at the passage we are talking about here - "the three will become one" and you say "hmm, I've got saidin and saidar with no problem...what could be the third" and then you realize that JUST at that moment, our hero finds out he can channel the TP.  What a co-inky-dink!

 

I can buy some of the theories here that Callandor was custom-made to enable this TP merging or that it just is designed to force men/women to work together, or any others.  But, I think that the 3 becoming 1 comments clearly point towards the TP doing an initial push back of the DO and clearing the hole until the OP can repair the rip, while at the same time keeping the DO from touching the OP and corrupting it again.

 

Once the pattern is sealed, the DO can't get through it again to attack the OP and we get another set of ages of peace until we do it all again from the top.

 

The only other potential option for a force strong enough to push the DO back through the metaphysical hole is padan fain, but we have not seen *anything* like this from him either in type or in scale.  He is definitely a wildcard, but he is more likely to take out a major character or 3 on both sides of the fight than be the person who actually attacks the DO.  It doesn't even fit his MO.  He wants to hurt/kill Rand Al'Thor above all else and seems to just live for that.  Why work with him to seal the bore?  And, he is insane and can't be reasoned with or coerced.

 

So, if the TP is not used to seal the bore, what else do we have that can push the DO out of the hole long enough to sew it up?

 

[Calderis]

I still think Fain will be used for that. Fain's consistantly becoming a stronger entity, and as messed up as he is, he still hates the Dark One. We know that people can be placed inside the bore, because of the way the Forsaken were locked away. Using one evil against another I can see happening. Using something against itself... I can see the arguments there, but in this case no. I can't see the DO allowing his own powers to be used against him, especially something permanent that he wouldn't be able to undo. Using the TP in the sealing of the bore just looks like your place a wedge into his hands and making sure he has it firmly in the door before you try to close it.

[bronnt]

Just a Wild Ass Theory (WAT), and I guess it belongs here more than anywhere else.  I can't find that this has come up anywhere else on the board.

 

A ton of discussion has sprung up around the Creator talking to Rand in EotW.  There's still no general agreement about exactly what he was saying.

 

IT IS NOT HERE.

It was not Rand's thought, making his skull vibrate.

I WILL TAKE NO PART.  ONLY THE CHOSEN ONE CAN DO WHAT MUST BE DONE, IF HE WILL...

...NOT HERE.

 

That first line is especially confusing.  When he says "IT IS NOT HERE," some people think he's talking about TG.  Others are just generally confused.  There's no real evidence of anything specific to be either here or there.

 

But now we know that Rand has to use Callandor in some way at the Last Battle (presumably).  Is it possible that the Creator is talking to Rand about needing Callandor before the end comes?  It's not really substantive, but it answers one of the big questions I've had about the series over the 8 years I've spent with it-what exactly the Creator is telling Rand during the one scene he speaks in 12 volumes worth.

 

It's funny that Rand never reminisces over this voice.  He's the only known person who have communed with the Creator, and he never wonders about what the deity says to him.

 

But that's just my WAT.  I'd like for the Creator to get back in the story somehow, just to clear up my confusion about exactly what He is.  Maybe when Rand does his bit with Callandor, the Creator talks to him again.  Maybe it's just wishful thinking.

[mb]

There were past threads about that in the General Wheel of Time section.

If you cannot find those (and/or if they are too old), you might be allowed to start a new thread.

 

[Knightfall]

In regards to Saidar/Saidin/TP being the 3 in 1 along with Callandor ... has anyone posited anything regarding the 'flaw' in Callandor perhaps not being a flaw?

 

Could it perhaps be that there is some conduit in Callandor made for the TP which was somehow taken advantage of by the Dark One's Taint, and that the effects of the flaw were actually just some resonance of Channeling the something 'close' to the TP through it, in some sort of impure form (in the form of the Taint - yes, I know there's a serious difference between the two but temporarily restrain your disbelief due to the fact that both of them stemmed from the Dark One)?

[OptimusPrime]

 

So, if the TP is not used to seal the bore, what else do we have that can push the DO out of the hole long enough to sew it up?

 

 

Fains power. We saw in TGH when he caught Rand in a trap that the trap was made of "cobwebs of steel" which sounds dangerously close to the weaves channelers create. Fains power also attracted the Taint, and Fains wound battled with Rands True Power wound from Ishamael, so know Fain is a candidate.

[Crael123]

i agree with optimus. maybe fain will make a bargain with rand, like if you help me kill dO you can kill me

[OptimusPrime]

I reckon Fain will appear at the right place at the right time, fitting his wildcard nature and Rands Ta'veren. Rand breaks the Seals, the Dark One appears, Fain pops out of nowhere, Fain touches the Dark One with his power, and while the Dark One is drawn to Fain against his will Rand creates a Void in the Pattern around them. No risk of Tainting the Source, no need to try using the True Power and risk the Dark One stopping Rand by denying him access to the True Power. Maybe he will use Callandor, that might be able to channel Ta'verenism as well as the Source.

[Entretamis]

Hey here is a far fetched idea. since we speculating...in EotW Rand holds a blade of light when he cuts Ishys cord. Maybe, just maybe, rand will hold a blade of light to cut the DO cord connecting him to the world or something light that. My main point is maybe the blade of light is not callandor, but jsut a sword made with the OP like in EotW.  Reguardign the three becoming one...well three ahaman will perform the fusion ritual and become one..;)

[Crael123]

maybe. that is as plausible as any other theory