Questions/Theories Answered or New Tidbits Added (Full Book Spoilers)

[linkgoron]

Why would either AVi, Elayne or Min need to be Ilyena? From what we know she's not bound to the wheel, and she could be anyone. LTT and Ilyena aren't written like Gaidal and Birgitte.

 

As I understand it, love and all that isn't bound to the wheel. As such you can love other people. Your son this time around, isn't your son last time, and if you had 10 daughters last time you don't have to have 10 daughters this time around.

 

Things aren't 100% pretedermind.

 

 

[ravenprincess]

My question would be is it time for the Tinkers to rediscover the Song?  The Song is supposed to make crops better and they sure do need the help.  Of course, the Ogier know the Song, or at least a few do...

[Declan]

I really doubt we will ever see the Song re-discovered. it will just be one of those things that never happens in the book but is always wanted.

[Jonn]

The three becoming one could have something to do with Rand, Mat and Perrin. They have some freaky bond which we don't really know anything about it. It also doesn't mention that the sword is Callandor maybe it's his new sword Justice?

 

OK, I'll cut in right here.

 

I have a couple of thoughts about this particular "commentary".

 

Three become one may refer to Rand, Lews Therin and Morridin becoming one...but then again I don't think that is quite right. It is a reference to the use of Callandor and I don't see how Morridin is relevant to that event.

 

The same goes for Rand Mat and Perrin. The commentary refers to Callandor directly so it must be assumed that there is a connection.

 

Now that the male Chodan Kal is destroyed, Rand has no greater weapon insofar as the Power goes than Callandor, which has not been used to its true potential because of its "flaw".

 

So who are the three and how do they relate to Callandor?

 

My initial though is this;

Rand needs to link with two women to put Callandor to use in its true potential, but as Min states it implies that he must use Callandor in a link with women at the control.

 

This leads me to this question: How does Cadsuane know that a female must control the flows? Is that absolutely the truth?

 

Callandor is a sa'angreal, and sa'angreal of that strength tend to need a buffer to use correctly. Egwene used Vora's Wand, but she was linked in a circle with novices. The Choedan Kal had access keys, but it appeared that the most useful way to use them was in a link.

So, the buffer would be the link and those in the link. For Callandor.

 

So this fact can be confirmed. Rand MUST hold Callandor.

But to use it? I think so. There's too much build up to deny it, and now the male Choedan Kal is gone. He needs that strength I think to face the Dark One.

But to use the greatest sa'angreal, he needs a buffer, hence the two women to link.

BUT....he also needs to control the flows.

In the Age of Legends they did not have the warder bond in common use, let alone more than one bond partner at the same time. Rand has three holding his bond who can channel. Alanna, Elayne and Aviendha. Then there is Min.

 

Instinctively I think they must get rid of Alanna. Three must become one. Alanna will never become one with Aviendha and Elayne. Aviendha is like to kill Alanna given the chance and Elayne would probably see her stilled and executed.

 

The third probably refers to Min. The three bonded Rand together. But something is missing I assume. Elayne and Aviendha were bound as First Sisters in the Aiel ceremony. And so I believe that Min must probably do the same. Somehow if Rand were to use Callandor, with Elayne and Aviendha linked to him and Min in tow, the bond would essentially allow him to control the flows.

 

I think this is what it means in some form. Maybe not exactly this way, but something similar.

[Jaric Mar Tedronai]

Callandor is the only sa'angreal we have seen which requires the "buffer," as it was accidentally flawed in its creation. The flaw is it allows a man, by himself, to use it to draw more of the power which he is capable of using; i.e. Rand could draw Choedan Kal amounts with Callandor, but it would either kill him or burn him out, as Callandor is not strong enough to actually handle it. When he is linked with two women, however, the nature of the link protects him from drawing enough to damage himself.

 

Eggy could safely use Vora's wand to channel massive amounts of the power by herself, as all sa'angreal except Callandor have this buffer built in.

 

The best way to use the Choedan Kal was in a link, yes, because saidin and saidar work best together (the whole idea that the greatest works were done with both idea originally from Moraine) but a woman or a man could use their respective access keys alone and still be protected.

 

Cads is correct in saying he must link with two women to safely use Callandor, and a woman must be in control, as when one man links with one woman the man must meld the flows. When a man is linked with two women, a woman can meld.

 

Your idea about Min being involved is interesting in a way, but it still cannot be the answer. In order for Rand to safely use Callandor, he cannot be in control. He would be in danger of overdrawing, no matter how many women he is linked with.

[Rhalurn]

I always thought of Ilanya (sp) as being reborn in three, Min - Elaine and Avienda. Perhaps certain characteristics in each, purposely done so the dragon wouldnt be able to kill his one and only love so easily? Three to 1 phrophecy, perhaps has more to do with rand realising that he isnt a lech, its destiny that he would love all three, rather than physically all 3 merging to one.

 

Theory sounded better in my head  :'(

[Declan]

for some reason alot of people like that theory. And i think its not true at all. We have discussed this alot on this thread. This whole 3 to 1 prophecy may just be something to draw our attention while he comes out of left field with something.

[Chimneyduck]

Wouldn't Logain be able to link with Callendor with his two Aes Sedai (with one in control) and then link with Rand with Rand in control? 

 

I guess the question then becomes if that satisfies the issue with the flaw. . . .

[Eleint]

Should be able to  A man must lead in a 2-way circle and a circle of 72.  A man must lead if there's more men than women.  Otherwise, anyone can lead.

 

So yeah.  Rand could pop up a circle of 13 with 7 women and 6 men and lead the circle.  Though, I think the prophecy has Rand channeling with Callandor, so...

 

But yeah, technically it's totally kosher.  The Aes Sedai just didn't think of that because -they- want to be in charge.

[Nightstrike]

There must be at least one more woman than there are men in the circle. Exceptions are: 1 man+1 woman, 2 men+1 woman & 2 men+2 women.

 

 

 

In most circles of 13 or less where there are more than one man, a man must lead.

 

 

[elec1cele]

There must be at least one more woman than there are men in the circle. Exceptions are: 1 man+1 woman, 2 men+1 woman & 2 men+2 women.

 

Do you know where that comes from to me it seems you would always need either equal or one more women then men cause as i understand it when there are equal numbers of men and women a man must lead and I didn't think men would be able to expand the circle cause they can't link.  Maybe that isn't true once they are in a circle I don't know it is just where I thought those limits came from

[Nightstrike]

Do you know where that comes from

I think RJ mentioned it somewhere (his blog, maybe?). But it's also in the BWB. "The Wheel and the Power" is the chapter.

 

to me it seems you would always need either equal or one more women then men

There are only 3 exceptions to the rule "at least 1 woman more than there are men in the circle".

 

cause as i understand it when there are equal numbers of men and women a man must lead and I didn't think men would be able to expand the circle cause they can't link.

Only 2 such cases (1 man+1woman & 2 women+2men). And a man must lead in those cases. When a man must lead, the control must be passed from a woman to a man before any actual weaving can be done.

 

 

 

 

[prophet2b]

Hi, I've read Dragonmount for a long time, but never posted.  I may never post again after this.  I just don't write on forums very often.  However, I was wondering about something that nobody seems to be discussing at all - anywhere.  And I thought it was a fairly big reveal/question about Egwene.

 

I destroyed them, she thought with a smile, thoughts slipping away from her.  I was a burning warrior, a hero called by the Horn.  They won't dare face me again.  She almost fell asleep, but being jostled by Gawyn's steps kept her awake.  Barely. - p. 651

 

Does this mean that Egwene is a Hero of the Horn?  Because that's what that seems to indicate to me.  When I first read it, I passed it off as nothing more than delusional ramblings - but she's surprisingly lucid with everything else she thinks as Gawyn is carrying her off.  I don't think that's just her being dramatic.  In fact, I think thoughts from her sub-conscience are coming out, truths that she doesn't realize on a conscious level.

 

Anyway, maybe this was so blindingly obvious to everyone else that it didn't even deserve a mention.  I was blow away by it, though, so I thought I'd bring up.

[Eleint]

I just took it as Egwene seeing herself as a hero out of legends with what she did.  And she was right, really.  I don't see this as any sort of proof that she's tied to the Horn.

[SinisterDeath]

nah she isn't a hero of the horn. Its just that her actions that day are going to be written in the 'histories', she is basically going to be rememberd as the Amryillian, raised without first being Aes Sedia, Uniting the Towers together, and single-handedly repelling a seanchan invasion. + she has a final battle coming soon.

[ohaitharguiz]

The three becoming one could have something to do with Rand, Mat and Perrin. They have some freaky bond which we don't really know anything about it. It also doesn't mention that the sword is Callandor maybe it's his new sword Justice?

 

OK, I'll cut in right here.

 

I have a couple of thoughts about this particular "commentary".

 

Three become one may refer to Rand, Lews Therin and Morridin becoming one...but then again I don't think that is quite right. It is a reference to the use of Callandor and I don't see how Morridin is relevant to that event.

 

The same goes for Rand Mat and Perrin. The commentary refers to Callandor directly so it must be assumed that there is a connection.

 

Now that the male Chodan Kal is destroyed, Rand has no greater weapon insofar as the Power goes than Callandor, which has not been used to its true potential because of its "flaw".

 

So who are the three and how do they relate to Callandor?

 

My initial though is this;

Rand needs to link with two women to put Callandor to use in its true potential, but as Min states it implies that he must use Callandor in a link with women at the control.

 

This leads me to this question: How does Cadsuane know that a female must control the flows? Is that absolutely the truth?

 

Callandor is a sa'angreal, and sa'angreal of that strength tend to need a buffer to use correctly. Egwene used Vora's Wand, but she was linked in a circle with novices. The Choedan Kal had access keys, but it appeared that the most useful way to use them was in a link.

So, the buffer would be the link and those in the link. For Callandor.

 

So this fact can be confirmed. Rand MUST hold Callandor.

But to use it? I think so. There's too much build up to deny it, and now the male Choedan Kal is gone. He needs that strength I think to face the Dark One.

But to use the greatest sa'angreal, he needs a buffer, hence the two women to link.

BUT....he also needs to control the flows.

In the Age of Legends they did not have the warder bond in common use, let alone more than one bond partner at the same time. Rand has three holding his bond who can channel. Alanna, Elayne and Aviendha. Then there is Min.

 

Instinctively I think they must get rid of Alanna. Three must become one. Alanna will never become one with Aviendha and Elayne. Aviendha is like to kill Alanna given the chance and Elayne would probably see her stilled and executed.

 

The third probably refers to Min. The three bonded Rand together. But something is missing I assume. Elayne and Aviendha were bound as First Sisters in the Aiel ceremony. And so I believe that Min must probably do the same. Somehow if Rand were to use Callandor, with Elayne and Aviendha linked to him and Min in tow, the bond would essentially allow him to control the flows.

 

I think this is what it means in some form. Maybe not exactly this way, but something similar.

 

I also agree, I believe the warder bond has more purpose than simply a love story device.

[Eleint]

Isn't it said /somewhere/ that the Aes Sedai can draw upon the Warder's strength and vitality with or without his permission?  Or am I getting tWoT RPG mixed up with the books again?  Regardless of whether it is, I always found that kinda creepy -- that she can suck out his life like that.

[SinisterDeath]

 

 

Allundra is talking about using Copper to make her 'large' dragons.

 

Copper is not strong enough for a canon.

 

No, Alludra was talking about copper and tin, which make bronze, which was the primary alloy for black power cannon. Google it and you'll find tons of pictures.

 

I missed the tin quite frankly.

Course, Tin is also used in fireworks gives a nice 'blue' color.

I really, really think Her 'dragons' are going to resemble mortars more than canons, in that its going to have a lower velocity, higher angel of trajectory. And explosive fire-work shells.

This means they can make 'more' mortars, since they will require 'less' 'bronze' to make them, as opposed to cannons.

 

Course, bronze is HEAVY. If this is anything to go by.

http://www.cwartillery.org/ve/12pounder.html

 

A Mortar can have a very, very short 'barrel' which means it can easilly weight 2/3rd less. ;)

Course, theres the hand mortar grendier. ;)

http://www.gentlemenoffortune.com/images/hand-mortor-2.jpg

Easy to build, works standard with typical 'firework' 'grenades', and does massive damage. ;)

 

Guns, I think are a few years off still, I think she is going to be looking at these weapons more as a 'firework' with 'big booms' than as a 'projectile ball of 'lead'.

She can make tons, and tons of 'explosive 'grenades'', So can any other illuminator.

 

Basically, imagine this

http://www.pyrouniverse.com/professional.htm

With chunks of shrapnel in side that.

All the guy has to do, is stuff that ball in that short tube, light the fuse, point it at a trolloc, and 'thud', KABOOM! ;)

 

That in and of its self is 100x faster than, Musket style.

Shoot,

put gun down, empty just the right amount of gun powder in tube.

Pack it

Put ball down tube

Pack it

PUt firing cap on ignition chamber

strike.

(About a minute and a half)

And I 'doubt' randland has that tech. so they are going to use 'fuses'. So yea, the 'hand mortar', and 'mortar cannons' are far, far more likely than 'cannons'. ;)

 

 

Speaking of Arrows, they go around 850ft/s. (at least long bows)

???

my high end compound bow with ultra light carbon arrows only shoots 320 ft/s.

 

Heh, thats google for ya. That was the only answer I could find when I looked it up.  Thought it looked odd that they said that a 'long bow has the same 'speed' as a .45 magnum. :P

 

Bows are still more silent than any gun. ;)

[mvn]

 

First time posting and I have a few observations and annoyances (too strong-but lacking a more appropriate thought at the moment), that I wanted to get off my chest.

 

I consider myself a casual reader of the series, where I have read vol. 1-10 three times, 11&12 twice, and just finished TGS. I wanted to re-acquaint and educate my knowledge on the series and theories of WOT. Now as I was reading through the spoilers section and "Rand's plot line" in particular, it struck me at how many people have misconceptions between the OP and TP. Know I certainly do not claim any outright authority, only referencing the WOT Encyclopedia and recollection from early on in the series. What I have at least concluded and hopefully corroborated, as long as someone can confirm the WOT Encyclopedia being a concrete source, is a few of my following obs/conclusions.

 

"The driving force of the universe, which turns the Wheel of Time. It is divided into a male half (saidin) and a female half (saidar), which work at the same time with and against each other. Only a man can draw on saidin, only a woman on saidar. Since the beginning of the Time of Madness, saidin has been tainted by the Dark One's touch." (TEotW,Glossary)

 

AND

 

"The One Power comes from the True Source, the driving force of Creation."

 

THEN

 

"The Great Lord of the Dark provides his most favored minions with the True Power that comes directly from him."

 

 

http://encyclopaedia-wot.org/main/true_source/index.html

 

 

So, my thought process is first, since the TP TS is the driving force of the WOT/universe, it is not controlled solely by the DO, as either the universe is the result of the Creator or vice versa and whether or not the DO is equivalent but opposite of the creator or something else (a discussion for another time). Either way you view the previous observation, the TP is not solely controlled by the DO. The DO is the gateway for the TP to those of that he trusts, as the TP - "It is even more addictive and dangerous than the One Power."

 

Now I can see Rand's ability to access the TP be the result of either access being granted permission by association (unintended or not) with Moridon's access via the DO, or else 'reminded of, through previous Dragon Reborn incarnations. This too, can be another topic, but I just want to get the correct correlation between TP and OP in this post.

 

--------------Some what of a spoiler -------------

 

Now with us seeing that dark aura associated with Rand, one can definitely think that this is the result of the DO's manifestations trying to sway Rand. But, I think that the darkening is of Rand's own internal struggle with feeling=weakness hardness=strength being projected outward due to Rand's power, rather than anything the DO is forcing upon Rand.

 

----------------------------------------------------

 

 

I could keep on going with 'what ifs,' regarding potential endings as the theme wants to naturally span out into other areas. So, I will end it here to just clarify one specific area.

 

 

Please let me know if my observations and ideas are all wet... :-\ ;)

 

Ahh, that is what I meant, my fault for incorrectly stating it.

[Vulgir]

Anyone else Notice the similarties between the Domination Band and Callondor,

 

[Luckers]

You mean that the Domination band involves two women and a man? Or that Callandor split balefire and is thus probably cuendillar?

[Sharaman]

I don't know who has Callandor but when Cadsuane goes to show Sorlina something she looks over the contents of the box and Callandor was there with the Male A'dam and the Choedan Kal access key. (Page # eludes me but in TGS) So either Rand has it and didn't tell us or Shador Herin has it... So if Shador Herin took it and left the access key?!?!?! Callandor is WAY more important than we imagined.

 

Umm - Callandor is with a bunch of retired AS friends of Cadsuane along with other male A'dam etc. - at least that's what we're told in the Cad-Sorilea scene you're referring to, and there's no reason to believe she's lying in her PoV. 

[Twitchy]

This thread involves prophecies fulfilled right?

If so...

Toss the Dice posted this in the Rand Plotline thread, I thought this would be a more proper place.

 

It's the entire Karethon(sp?) Cycle.

 

And it shall come to pass that what men made shall be shattered, and the Shadow shall lie across the Pattern of the Age, and the Dark One shall once more lay his hand upon the world of man. Women shall weep and men quail as the nations of the earth are rent like rotting cloth. Neither shall anything stand or abide…

Yet one shall be born to face the Shadow, born once more as he was born before, and shall be born again, time without end. The Dragon shall be Reborn, and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth at his rebirth. In sackcloth and ashes shall he clothe the people, and he shall break the world again by his coming, tearing apart all ties that bind. Like the unfettered dawn shall he blind us, and burn us, yet shall the Dragon Reborn confront the Shadow at the Last Battle, and his blood shall give us the Light. Let tears flow, O ye people of the world. Weep for your salvation.

On the slopes of Dragonmount shall he be born,

born of a maiden wed to no man.

He will be of the ancient blood, and raised by the old blood.

When the winds of Tarmon Gai’don scour the earth,

he will face the Shadow and bring forth Light again in the world.

Twice and twice shall he be marked,

twice to live, and twice to die.

Once the heron, to set his path.

Twice the heron, to name him true.

Once the Dragon, for remembrance lost.

Twice the Dragon, for the price he must pay.

Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed.

Once for mourning, once for birth.

Red on black, the Dragon’s blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul.

In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow.

Five ride forth, and four return.

Above the Watchers Over the Waves shall he proclaim himself,

bannered ‘cross the sky in fire.

When the Dragon is Reborn he will break all oaths, shatter all ties.

The Stone of Tear will never fall, till Callandor is wielded by the Dragon’s hand.

The Stone of Tear will never fall, till the People of the Dragon come.

Into the heart he thrusts his sword,

into the heart, to hold their hearts.

who draws it out shall follow after,

What hand can grasp that fearful blade?

Power of the Shadow made human flesh,

wakened to turmoil, strife and ruin.

The Reborn One, marked and bleeding,

dances the sword in dreams and mist,

chains the Shadowsworn to his will,

from the city, lost and forsaken,

leads the spears to war once more,

breaks the spears and makes them see,

truth long hidden in the ancient dream.

He shall slay his people with the sword of peace, and destroy them with the leaf.

With his coming are the dread fires born again.

The hills burn, and the land turns sere.

The tides of men run out, and the hours dwindle.

The wall is pierced, and the veil of parting raised.

Storms rumble beyond the horizon, and the fires of heaven purge the earth.

There is no salvation without destruction, no hope this side of death.

The unstained tower breaks and bends knee to the forgotten sign.

The seas rage, and stormclouds gather unseen.

Beyond the horizon, hidden fires swell, and serpents nestle in the bosom.

What was exalted is cast down; what was cast down is raised up.

Order burns to clear his path.

There can be no health in us, nor any good thing grow,

for the land is one with the Dragon Reborn, and he is one with the land.

Soul of fire, heart of stone, in pride he conquers, forcing the proud to yield.

He calls upon the mountains to kneel, and the seas to give way, and the very skies to bow.

Pray that the heart of stone remembers tears, and the soul of fire, love.

As the plow breaks the earth shall he break the lives of men,

and all that was shall be consumed in the fire of his eyes.

The trumpets of war shall sound at his footsteps, the ravens feed at his voice,

and he shall wear a crown of swords.

Master of the lightnings, rider on the storm,

wearer of a crown of swords, spinner out of fate.

Who thinks he turns the Wheel of Time,

may learn the truth too late.

The Seals that hold back the night shall weaken,

and in the heart of winter shall winter’s heart be born,

amid the wailings of lamentations and the gnashing of teeth,

for winter’s heart shall ride a black horse, and the name of it is Death.

And it shall come to pass, in the days when the Dark Hunt rides,

when the right hand falters and the left hand strays,

that mankind shall come to the Crossroads of Twilight,

and all that is, all that was,

and all that will be shall be shall balance on the point of a sword,

while the winds of the Shadow grow.

He shall heal the wounds of madness and cutting of hope.

He shall bind the nine moons to serve him.

The north shall he tie to the east, and the west shall be bound to the south.

He shall break the nations, and shatter the world.

His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul,

washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man’s salvation.

Fortune rides like the sun on high

with the fox that makes the ravens fly.

Luck his soul, the lightning his eye,

He snatches the moons from out of the sky.

When the Wolf King carries the hammer, thus are the final days known.

when the Fox marries the raven, and the trumpets of battle are blown.

[benr]

Hi, I've read Dragonmount for a long time, but never posted.  I may never post again after this.  I just don't write on forums very often.  However, I was wondering about something that nobody seems to be discussing at all - anywhere.  And I thought it was a fairly big reveal/question about Egwene.

 

I destroyed them, she thought with a smile, thoughts slipping away from her.  I was a burning warrior, a hero called by the Horn.  They won't dare face me again.  She almost fell asleep, but being jostled by Gawyn's steps kept her awake.  Barely. - p. 651

 

Does this mean that Egwene is a Hero of the Horn?  Because that's what that seems to indicate to me.  When I first read it, I passed it off as nothing more than delusional ramblings - but she's surprisingly lucid with everything else she thinks as Gawyn is carrying her off.  I don't think that's just her being dramatic.  In fact, I think thoughts from her sub-conscience are coming out, truths that she doesn't realize on a conscious level.

 

Anyway, maybe this was so blindingly obvious to everyone else that it didn't even deserve a mention.  I was blow away by it, though, so I thought I'd bring up.

 

While I agree with most that this was just idle musing by Egwene, it has been stated that souls can be added to the Heroes of the Horn.  Egwene has foretelling in her dreams, but I have been wondering lately if she might not have a heroic death in her future, along with Birgitte, and that they could both then come back at TG as Heroes.  Haven't looked too deeply into it, but your post got me thinking.

[lillcheese]

The parts I think are fulfilled are in italics.  My thoughts in a soothing blue.  Thanks to Twitch for posting the full KC.  

 

And it shall come to pass that what men made shall be shattered, and the Shadow shall lie across the Pattern of the Age, and the Dark One shall once more lay his hand upon the world of man. Women shall weep and men quail as the nations of the earth are rent like rotting cloth. Neither shall anything stand or abide…

 

Yet one shall be born to face the Shadow, born once more as he was born before, and shall be born again, time without end. The Dragon shall be Reborn, and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth at his rebirth. In sackcloth and ashes shall he clothe the people, and he shall break the world again by his coming, tearing apart all ties that bind. Like the unfettered dawn shall he blind us, and burn us,

yet shall the Dragon Reborn confront the Shadow at the Last Battle, and his blood shall give us the Light. Let tears flow, O ye people of the world. Weep for your salvation.

 

On the slopes of Dragonmount shall he be born,

born of a maiden wed to no man.

He will be of the ancient blood, and raised by the old blood.

 

When the winds of Tarmon Gai’don scour the earth,

he will face the Shadow and bring forth Light again in the world.

 

Twice and twice shall he be marked,

twice to live, and twice to die.

Once the heron, to set his path.

Twice the heron, to name him true.

Once the Dragon, for remembrance lost.

Twice the Dragon, for the price he must pay.

 

Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed.

Once for mourning, once for birth.

Red on black, the Dragon’s blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul.

In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow.

 

Five ride forth, and four return.

Above the Watchers Over the Waves shall he proclaim himself,

bannered ‘cross the sky in fire.

When the Dragon is Reborn he will break all oaths, shatter all ties.

 

The Stone of Tear will never fall, till Callandor is wielded by the Dragon’s hand.

The Stone of Tear will never fall, till the People of the Dragon come.

Into the heart he thrusts his sword,

into the heart, to hold their hearts.

who draws it out shall follow after,

What hand can grasp that fearful blade?

 

Power of the Shadow made human flesh,

wakened to turmoil, strife and ruin.

- Do we think that this refers to Moridin?

 

The Reborn One, marked and bleeding,

dances the sword in dreams and mist,

chains the Shadowsworn to his will,

from the city, lost and forsaken,

leads the spears to war once more,

breaks the spears and makes them see,

truth long hidden in the ancient dream.

He shall slay his people with the sword of peace, and destroy them with the leaf.

 

With his coming are the dread fires born again.

The hills burn, and the land turns sere.

The tides of men run out, and the hours dwindle.  

 

- I know most people think this refers to the drought that wouldn't end.  I just hate to mark as fulfilled anything as nebulous as this.  I don't recall hills burning, though my memory is not fabulous.

 

The wall is pierced, and the veil of parting raised.

Storms rumble beyond the horizon, and the fires of heaven purge the earth.

There is no salvation without destruction, no hope this side of death. - Again, so nebulous.

 

The unstained tower breaks and bends knee to the forgotten sign.

 

- So, first part is fulfilled & has been for a while.  Maybe Egwene & Rand will compromise.  She won't submit to Rand, but she will acknowledge the ancient symbol & reinstate the servant of all ethic to AS. As will Rand, so then they'd be equals.  That would hopefully stop every AS from thinking they have a right to control Rand.  I know most people think that this was fulfilled by the captured AS swearing to Rand at DW.  I can't agree - if any AS could fulfill this, then it was fulfilled once Moraine swore to Rand.

 

The seas rage, and stormclouds gather unseen.

 

Beyond the horizon, hidden fires swell, and serpents nestle in the bosom.

- possibly the state of affairs in Seanchan & Forsaken in high places in the nations?

 

What was exalted is cast down; what was cast down is raised up.

ETA: - possibly fulfilled by change in status of AS & AM in opinions, another option Egwene & Elaida.  I think I lean toward Egwene & Elaida.  This line doesn't have any indication that Rand did something to make it come true.

 

Order burns to clear his path. - I'm thinking Rand's prolific BF usage.  ETA: by the my logic above, it's probably the chaos that made Cairhein & Illian *easy* to conquer.

 

There can be no health in us, nor any good thing grow,

for the land is one with the Dragon Reborn, and he is one with the land.

Soul of fire, heart of stone, in pride he conquers, forcing the proud to yield.

- Clear fulfillment in TGS of the land stuff.  I think resolving his LTT issues will also make him less prideful.  I think he's done with conquering.

 

He calls upon the mountains to kneel, and the seas to give way, and the very skies to bow.

Pray that the heart of stone remembers tears, and the soul of fire, love.

- I think this refers to him trying to get the impossible from Rhuarc & others.

 

As the plow breaks the earth shall he break the lives of men,

and all that was shall be consumed in the fire of his eyes.

- too generic.  Unless the last part refers to him seeing all his past lives.  

 

The trumpets of war shall sound at his footsteps, the ravens feed at his voice,

and he shall wear a crown of swords.

Master of the lightnings, rider on the storm,

wearer of a crown of swords, spinner out of fate.

 

Who thinks he turns the Wheel of Time,

may learn the truth too late.

- I think this refers to his ta'veren murder threats, but I may just not remember it being fulfilled in previous books.

 

The Seals that hold back the night shall weaken,

and in the heart of winter shall winter’s heart be born,

amid the wailings of lamentations and the gnashing of teeth,

for winter’s heart shall ride a black horse, and the name of it is Death.

And it shall come to pass, in the days when the Dark Hunt rides,

ETA: - It's been suggested that Hopper told Perrin the Hunt has started.  I thought he said that it comes.  Anyone have a better quote on it?

 

when the right hand falters and the left hand strays,

that mankind shall come to the Crossroads of Twilight,

and all that is, all that was,

and all that will be shall be shall balance on the point of a sword,

while the winds of the Shadow grow.

 

He shall heal the wounds of madness and cutting of hope. - I think this refers to the end of TGS and not the Cleansing.

 

He shall bind the nine moons to serve him.

The north shall he tie to the east, and the west shall be bound to the south. - Rand didn't read this part correctly. There's no indication here that he will have any part of binding the west to the south.

 

He shall break the nations, and shatter the world.

 

His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul,

washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man’s salvation.

Fortune rides like the sun on high

with the fox that makes the ravens fly.

- Will be fulfilled by Fortuona & Mat riding a Raken somewhere maybe?

 

Luck his soul, the lightning his eye,

He snatches the moons from out of the sky.

Originally, I thought this part referred to Mat and the kidnapping.  Particularly after Egwene had the dream of Mat putting his eye on a scale.  I think there was something else about sacrificing half the light of the world to save the world but I don't remember where that came from.

 

Now though, looking at the entire KC, I'm disgusted with myself.  Every other time we see "he" or "his" it refers to Rand.  Mat is referred to as the Fox.  Rand's ta'veren nature twists chance/luck more than Mat.  Also, I wonder how Mat would lose only one eye to lightning as I had previously assumed would happen.  The lightning could be a reference to Rand choosing to use it in a battle.  Snatching the moons could be saving Fortuona from a fall off a raken - perhaps a fall that he causes with the lightning.

 

 

When the Wolf King carries the hammer, thus are the final days known.

when the Fox marries the raven, and the trumpets of battle are blown.

- Does anyone else think it's odd that only in this line is Tuon referred to as a Raven?