moiraines warder

[Obligatory WOT Reference]

I've got a question about moiraines return. Who will be her warder? Obviously not Lan, because he's in the borderlands, plus he's gonna be nynaeve's warder. My money's on thom. He certainly seems like he can handle himself in a fight, even if he isn't Tar Valon trained. Plus there's that whole them getting married thing. I guess there is a possiblity of moiraine not having a warder after her rescue, but i doubt that is going to happen.

[Roxinos]

Why does she need a Warder?

[Thor]

We'll see if she can channel or not.  If she can then it's obviously going to be Thom.

[Luckers]

Agreed--though i'd say she's gonna be healed. So, again, Thom.

[Jethro]

I cant imagine Thom as a Warder at all! It seems the most likely thing of course, yet he just doesnt suit it if you ask me.

 

Moiraines return is the bit Im waiting for most, apart from Moridin drowning Elayne after cutting her up.

[Mr Ares]

I guess there is a possiblity of moiraine not having a warder after her rescue, but i doubt that is going to happen.

Why?

[Obligatory WOT Reference]

I'm not really sure why, most likely because i haven't seen moiraine without one before.

[Casco]

One thing i wonder is, why did the bond brake? She isnt dead, so the bond shouldnt brake. She have been in a simular tar,angreal before without the bound did brake.

Im just wondering about it..or did she send the bond to the other sister when she did fall in to the tarángreal with lanfear?

 

[Triddy]

One thing i wonder is, why did the bond brake? She isnt dead, so the bond shouldnt brake. She have been in a simular tar,angreal before without the bound did brake.

Im just wondering about it..or did she send the bond to the other sister when she did fall in to the tarángreal with lanfear?

 

 

Death is the most common cause of a broken bond, but it is not the only cause of a broken bond. Right now, it seems most likely that she was stilled when the doorway collapsed.

[Obligatory WOT Reference]

Also, since she was stilled in finnland, when she comes out, thom's "dam fine woman" is going to come out looking like she's 20. Jackpot for thom ;)

[Sab]

Well she may or may not be stilled, I don't remember was she channeling when she went in the doorway?  If not don't see why she would be stilled, been too long since read that book.  If she is stilled wonder if Ny will heal her.

 

And if she isn't can't see Thom agreeing to be a warder.

[Nightstrike]

Moiraine, sneaking up behind her, said that she was blazing like the sun with saidar. She thought Lanfear was toying with Rand... Just before they both fell through the ter'angreal, Moiraine managed to claw the angreal from Lanfear's hands. I don't know whether Lanfear managed to hold saidar till she came through into finn's domain, but anything is possible (maybe). It's also possible that Lanfear got burnt out even before she arrived in finnland. My bet is that she got burnt out in a very short time after losing the angreal. I think Moiraine would also likely have gotten burnt out (in a similar way that Martine Janata got burnt out - caused by a mishandled ter'angreal).

 

 

 

[Nightstrike]

I think Moiraine will be rescued, Healed (since I think she will be severed) and that she will marry Thom. Possibly bond him as warder (he's so old, he'll need all the benefits). Too bad Thom can't channel (or can he? ... probably not  :(  ), because they won't get a lot of years together.

[Yllek]

I know she's likely to marry Thom, what with all the foreshadowing, but it just seems strange that an Aes Sedai would *marry* an old(er)  man knowing that she will outlive him by hundreds of years.  I mean, why not just enjoy his company for what time he has remaining?

 

As to the issue of her warder, many Aes Sedai don't bond another for years after losing one, if ever.  The 'backlash' of the  breaking of the bond likely affected her too.  It's described as a terrible feelilng.

[mb]

There might have been a chance that Moiraine was neither killed nor severed.  The loosing of the bond might have been from a disconnection between the two worlds due to the doorway melting.

 

If Moiraine is still able to channel after her rescue, she would most likely bond Thom but likely after they marry; not sure if she would before.

 

[Obligatory WOT Reference]

There might have been a chance that Moiraine was neither killed nor severed.  The loosing of the bond might have been from a disconnection between the two worlds due to the doorway melting.

 

What about when moiraine went through the doorway in tear? lan didn't say anything about there being some sort of disconnect with that. he would've shown it on his face or said something.

[Razor]

The door in Tear was not destroyed, however i agree that it is likely she was stilled/burnt out, or else why would Cyndane be less powerful than Lanfear.

[DemandredFO]

From circustantial evidence we can be certain that she was severed.  Fire to Blind, Rand created fire to hold the finns off, so they cannot shield, Moiraine would've created fire to escape.  Besides, Mat would probably have an accident with a knife if he came all that way to have Moiraine smile at him.

[Idril]

I also did some thinking on why the bond faded in the first place. It hasn´t necessarily to be Moiraine being burned out. Her letter and the fact that Lan is instantly bonded to a new AS could also indicate that Moiraine handed the bond on her own will at the time she passed through the doorframe.

[Mr Ares]

I also did some thinking on why the bond faded in the first place. It hasn´t necessarily to be Moiraine being burned out. Her letter and the fact that Lan is instantly bonded to a new AS could also indicate that Moiraine handed the bond on her own will at the time she passed through the doorframe.

No. Passing the bond would not induce the effects of a bond snapping, which Lan experiences, and it wasn't possible for Moiraine in those circumstances as she was busy trying to deal with Lanfear. She didn't have the time to spare, nor the required concentration. We know of only two things in the series that could have done it, only two with any support. Death and severing. She ain'tn't dead. Therefore she was severed. Also, Lan's bond passing was planned for in the event of her death.

 

The loosing of the bond might have been from a disconnection between the two worlds due to the doorway melting.

There is nothing to support such a thing being possible.

 

was she channeling when she went in the doorway?

Yes.

don't see why she would be stilled

Ter'angreal=dangerous. Can burn out people who don't take proper care. Said repeeatedly in series. Went into meltdown - implies improper care.

 

One thing i wonder is, why did the bond brake?

Severed from the Source. That severs bond.

She have been in a simular tar,angreal before without the bound did brake.

That one didn't explode. You see the difference? Ter'angreal are dangerous.

 

I'm not really sure why' date=' most likely because i haven't seen moiraine without one before.[/quote']She was Warderless throughout New Spring.

[Sab]

Since she was channeling when she went through most likely she has been stilled.  Though still neve understood why she embraced the source before she tackled Lanfear.  Really didn't do much to help her.

[mb]

The loosing of the bond might have been from a disconnection between the two worlds due to the doorway melting.

There is nothing to support such a thing being possible.

Nothing? After Elayne bonded Rand, she noticed that she could not track him in Telaranrhiod; I think also Birgitte.

When a warder and the one it is bonded to are in two different worlds, the connection between those two worlds I think would need to exist in order for the bond to remain.

 

[Obligatory WOT Reference]

I'm not really sure why' date=' most likely because i haven't seen moiraine without one before.[/quote']She was Warderless throughout New Spring.

 

True i forgot. But tarmon gai'don is coming and if i were her, i'd take all the protection i could have.

[balefireruinssteaks]

I still don't understand why everyone thinks Cyndane/Lanfear was Healed.  I can't make that make sense to me.

 

Nynaeve Healed Siuan and Leane, and so the Aes Sedai in Salidar can work the Healing.  But apart from Delana there doesn't seem to be any Black Ajah that we know of (plus Delana is Gray and so far as we know not a skilled Healer) in Salidar.  Halima is there but Halima channels saidin.

 

None of the Tower Sisters know the Healing and it wasn't until we see Moridin watching Aviendha unravel the Traveling weave that he even mentions knowing about a way to Heal being severed.  None of the other Forsaken mention it, and something that "primitives" did which those in the Age of Legends could not would be something to talk about indeed, even among them.

 

So i'm wondering if at the time Lanfear was transmigrated into Cyndane's body...was there anyone who even knew the Healing necessary?  We know that if a male had Healed her (provided she was stilled/burned out) she would have been restored to full strength.

 

I've just always been confused about the time lines.

[Guest The Thin Inn Keeper]

Though still neve understood why she embraced the source before she tackled Lanfear.  Really didn't do much to help her.

Yeah, but she wouldn't have known what was going to happen when she tackled Lanfear. Holding the Source gave her more options, options that it turns out she didn't need but that were prudent to have.

So i'm wondering if at the time Lanfear was transmigrated into Cyndane's body...was there anyone who even knew the Healing necessary?  We know that if a male had Healed her (provided she was stilled/burned out) she would have been restored to full strength.

At the end of the day, the DO is a god.

 

I see it as similar to RJs convenient ta'avern issues.*

 

It gives him a get out clause that, frankly, is either unbelievable, or makes no sense given the rules he has created for the world. They alow the story to move along.

 

*By ta'avern issue I mean the coincidences that keep the story moving. e.g. One the tavs walking down a street and happening to see the guy they're looking for, despite the fact they're in a frickin' city of X-number of people.