He shall heal the wounds of madness and cutting of hope

[purplemonster]

how? any ideas?

[Elwinn Taron]

I believe this refers to cleansing saidin of the taint.

[Shard]

Agreed "Wounds of madness" does refer to the tainted Saidin. THough I don't know what "cutting of Hope" means.

[Jethro]

I think it may mean "heal the cutting of hope" meaning men will no longer fear channeling since they now wont go insane. There is now hope for men able to channel as Aes Sedai will no longer hunt them down.

[agaga]

how? any ideas?

 

I agree about the first part don't know about the second which book was it in maybe that will give some ideas?

[Tyrell]

I agree, cleansing saidin counts for both. I read the sentence as "heal wounds of "madness and cutting of hope"" with the second block around which I've placed inverted commas all one thing, not two separate incidents.

[CUBAREY]

Another possibility is that he (Rand) will somehow cure his own madness and will be alive  to fight the DO after he is killed (as his death would cut off all hope of defeating the DO).

[balefireruinssteaks]

wasn't Ishamael's name translated as "Betrayer of Hope"

 

I wonder if the Hope he betrayed will be healed by Rand

[mb]

Cleansing the taint certainly refers to "wound of madness"; maybe also "cutting of hope".

 

[purplemonster]

normally when i've seen this come up its always been about the wounds in his side. the first never healing wound made by ishy and the second being made through the dagger... never thought of it as cleansing saidin =]

[Guest The Thin Inn Keeper]

Cutting of hope = Stilling/burning out/losing the ability to channel?

 

A member of his group has already done it.

[ROB_88]

Cutting of hope = Stilling/burning out/losing the ability to channel?

 

A member of his group has already done it.

 

it has some possibility, since the weave is described as a cutting thing when Nynaeve tries to still Moghedien

[Majsju]

Cutting of hope = Stilling/burning out/losing the ability to channel?

 

A member of his group has already done it.

 

Problem is that it was not Rand who did this. It is not even completely correct to say that it was a member of his group, since the first person to figure out how to heal stilling was Nynaeve, at a time when she "belonged" to the Aes Sedai.

[Mandragoran]

Cutting of hope might have to do with the Bore in the Pattern. Perhaps Rand will seal it for good.

[Guest The Thin Inn Keeper]

Problem is that it was not Rand who did this.

Does that matter?

It is not even completely correct to say that it was a member of his group, since the first person to figure out how to heal stilling was Nynaeve, at a time when she "belonged" to the Aes Sedai.

She also "belonged" to the group of people who left the Two Rivers.

[Luckers]

My problem with the wounds of madness is that cleansing saiding did not heal the wounds the madness has done--we know that from RJ.

 

That being said i think its involved. I think healing the wounds of madness refers to bringing male and female channelers back together. The theme of male/female cohesion being a good thing is rampant in the books, and the greatest effects of the taint, socially, is the division between the two and the gender imbalance that came from it. The splitting of the Aes Sedai symbol into the flame and the dragons fang, and so on. The greatest works are always done with both.

 

He's begun it. Getting rid of the taint, ordering Asha'men to allow themselves to be bonded by Aes Sedai--there is still friction, but thats why its a 'cutting' of hope.

[mb]

Problem is that it was not Rand who did this.

Does that matter?

 

The "he" in the prophecy is the Dragon Reborn.  Another person's action/actions does not fulfill it.

 

[Matrim DeLaneous]

Problem is that it was not Rand who did this.

Does that matter?

 

The "he" in the prophecy is the Dragon Reborn.  Another person's action/actions does not fulfill it.

 

Yeah... but HE cleansed Saidin.  Clean Saidin means no more need to Gentle,  No more need to Gentle means no more need to heal men who have been severed.  These points seem to satisfy the original question. 

 

<I did like Luckers' comment about healing / correcting the results of the breaking, bringing males / females back together, re aligning the two sides of the ancient symbol>

[Guest The Thin Inn Keeper]

The "he" in the prophecy is the Dragon Reborn.  Another person's action/actions does not fulfill it.

Given the difficulties in understanding the prophecies, you're giving your opinion as fact. Which it is not.

[mb]

The "he" in the prophecy is the Dragon Reborn.  Another person's action/actions does not fulfill it.

Given the difficulties in understanding the prophecies, you're giving your opinion as fact. Which it is not.

 

It is not just mine opinion.  By context, the passage where it was spoken points to the Dragon Reborn; not to anyone else.  And it was spoken by someone who swore the no lie oath on the Oath Rod.

 

[Guest The Thin Inn Keeper]

It is not just mine opinion.  By context, the passage where it was spoken points to the Dragon Reborn; not to anyone else.  And it was spoken by someone who swore the no lie oath on the Oath Rod.

And to live he must die, etc., etc..

 

The prophecies aren't straightfoward. Period.

[Mr Ares]

The prophecies aren't straightfoward. Period.

"The Karaethon Cycle, the Prophecies of the Dragon, says that the Dragon will be reborn on the slopes of Dragonmount." Seems straightforward enough. "The Stone of Tear can never fall till Callandor is wielded by the Dragon Reborn." Pretty straightforward, again. Some are. Period Full stop.

[naxxan]

I think we can all agree that healing the wound of madness most likely is cleansing the taint.  I would like to think that healing the cutting of hope would be restoring how people view Aes Sedai as a whole.  Before the breaking they were great scholars, doers and thinkers, movers and shakers if you will. Cleansing the taint is only one step in many, and I don't think the first, in bringing channelers back into mainstream society as a symbol of hope and good.  After the dust settles and the Bela bombs have hit the fan, ordinary folk will have seen channelers of both sexes fighting the Dark One.  No more need for the oath rod, which caused more loss of trust than not I feel.  With the rash of newly "raised" Aes Sedai and the Kin never being bound, then fighting for good anyway, people will have the proof that Aes Sedai do what's right because it's what they do, not what they have been bound to do.  The cleansing will allow men and women to work together again and bring back wonders thought lost or completely forgotten.  I like the significance of Rand marching under the ancient Aes Sedai banner, both sides together, hope that had been cut in half by fear and the Dark One's doing.

 

I'll admit I might be reaching and I'm kinda rambly but I think the core of it's there.

[jsbrads]

Lucker and Naxxan seem to have an insight the new male/female paradime will be good.

Aes Sedai not marrying men and making new channelers is pretty crazy.

Severing (cutting) of hope could mean stilling men (Warriors that can channel and fight DO provide hope for people)

I thought is was just cleansing and how he was involved in passing on info to the men so they could heal women.

[frodo1701]

It just hit me while looking at this what it it might be. Look at the wording. mainly the plural word "wounds". I suddenly saw this in my mind written differently. He shall heal the wound of madness and the wound of cutting of hope.

 

Wound of madness- Fain's dagger cut(the madness of Shadar Logoth)

Wound of cutting of hope -  the wound given at Falme by Ishy(Betrayer of Hope)

 

I think, therefore, this refers to the healing of the wounds in Rand's side. Rand is always saying how this wound will be where the "his blood on the rocks" will be from. Rand says this so often that I think he is wrong in his interpretation.

 

I may be totaly off base here. Like I said at the begining this just hit me out of left field while I was looking at the prophecy.