Mierin's abrupt change of heart

[RAND AL THOR]

Mierin (aka Lanfear) loved Lews Therin Telamon. One of the reasons why she went over to the Great Lord of the Dark is that LTT refused her (I am too sure about this but I think its correct).

 

She was trapped in limbo for 3000 yrs during which she was apparently able to perceive the events of the world. She continued to love LTT.

 

She tried to seduce Rand (LTT reborn) several times. She plotted against the Forsaken sorely for Rand's benefit. She provided Rand with valuable info on the Choeden Kal.

 

When Rand refuses her, she is depressed for ,like, a minute and then immediately tries to kill him.

 

 

Is that even possible? After SOOOO long, how can her heart change SO abruptly? Even afterwards as Cyndane, she never expresses regret nor sorrow, only anger at LTT.

 

The abrupt change of heart was so sudden that I actually stopped reading for a bit there and thought , "huh?"

[trakand_01]

You think she changed her mind? This, the woman who disappeared through a stone ter'angreal doorway with an AS who was trying to stop her killing Rand/Egwene/Aviendha out of her jealousy?

 

I believe her last words were "Which one is Aviendha?!", screamed at Rand, shortly before she squeezed very close to the last breath out of Egwene, stopped only by Moiraine.

 

I never got the impression Lanfear had a change of heart. She's not stupid though. Just like Berelain, she knows when to play games and when not to.

 

Personally I think she's waiting (or was, before she became Cyndane) for LTT to take over Rand to the point where he recognises her as Mierin, at which point she'd try again, with LTT rather than Rand.

[Asmo]

Mierin (aka Lanfear) loved Lews Therin Telamon. One of the reasons why she went over to the Great Lord of the Dark is that LTT refused her (I am too sure about this but I think its correct).

 

She probably went over to the Dark because she accidentally, and quite literally, dug into it.

 

She was trapped in limbo for 3000 yrs during which she was apparently able to perceive the events of the world. She continued to love LTT.

 

She tried to seduce Rand (LTT reborn) several times. She plotted against the Forsaken sorely for Rand's benefit. She provided Rand with valuable info on the Choeden Kal.

 

When Rand refuses her, she is depressed for ,like, a minute and then immediately tries to kill him.

 

 

Is that even possible? After SOOOO long, how can her heart change SO abruptly? Even afterwards as Cyndane, she never expresses regret nor sorrow, only anger at LTT.

 

The abrupt change of heart was so sudden that I actually stopped reading for a bit there and thought , "huh?"

 

What you describe as "love" is probably more akin to "lust". She didn't really love Lews Therin, she lusted after him - after his power more than him, actually - and lust results in insane jealousy. When Rand fended her off again and again, and then slept with another woman, that finally tipped the thin balance between lust and hatred. It wasn't really abrupt, and it wasn't really a change of heart either. After she became Cyndane, she probably ended up blaming Rand for all her problems, so that only fed her hatred.

 

That said, I really hope she has a true change of heart in Book 12 and does something dramatic.

[RAND AL THOR]

Mierin (aka Lanfear) loved Lews Therin Telamon. One of the reasons why she went over to the Great Lord of the Dark is that LTT refused her (I am too sure about this but I think its correct).

 

She probably went over to the Dark because she accidentally, and quite literally, dug into it.

 

I did say, one of the reasons.

She would hardly have gone over to the Dark if LTT (Leader of the Light) had accepted her!

 

You think she changed her mind?

 

Yes I think she did because during the Cleansing she thinks so:

she could feel saidar being spun at more than one place, spun with fury—but she prayed to the Great Lord that she would reach Lews Therin first. She wanted to see him die, she realized, and for that, she would have to get closer.

 

And later in the same chapter she thinks:

 

 

She would see Lews Therin die! The taller woman jerked as her cut flows snapped back into her, but even as she shifted her feet with the blow, she channeled again. Snarling, Cyndane fought back, and the earth heaved beneath their feet.She would see him die! She would.

 

 

[trakand_01]

But you dont think that irrational jealousy can lead to wishes of death for the person over whom you are jealous? It's the 'if I can't have him no-one can' factor which has actually been quite prevalent in domestic murder cases.

 

Also as Asmo said, she more than likely blames him for her current predicament. After all this time, everything she has been through over the past c3000 years, she is very likely wanting some final retribution.

 

If I remember rightly, Mierin was horrified to discover what she had drilled into and what resided within. I think it was the promise of power (that all the forsaken were promised) that finally made her join the ranks of the dark, but I seem to remember reading that she took a while to decide that was what she was going to do.

[_james07_]

Yeah LTT said that he loved her and he didn't dump her for Ilyena, he said he dumped her because of her insane ambition and only fell in love with Ilyena after. She went over to the dark because she was highly ambitious and at the same time jealous and angry, in the beginning i don't think it had anything to do with being evil. I think she would turn back to the light if Rand/LTT took her back.

[Paviel]

Personally I think she's waiting (or was, before she became Cyndane) for LTT to take over Rand to the point where he recognises her as Mierin, at which point she'd try again,

 

LTT DID take over Rand to the point where he recognized her as Mierin back in TFOH, and even then he accused her of being in love with power.

 

in the beginning i don't think it had anything to do with being evil. I think she would turn back to the light if Rand/LTT took her back.

 

And since her desire for power is much more conducive to fighting for the Shadow than for the Light, I don't think she'll ever come back to the Light. Sorry.

[_james07_]

Well i don't think she has much power at the moment, with her being a slave for Ishy... So who knows what could happen? I don't know if i can see it happening, but it still might.

[Asmo]

Mierin (aka Lanfear) loved Lews Therin Telamon. One of the reasons why she went over to the Great Lord of the Dark is that LTT refused her (I am too sure about this but I think its correct).

 

She probably went over to the Dark because she accidentally, and quite literally, dug into it.

 

I did say, one of the reasons.

She would hardly have gone over to the Dark if LTT (Leader of the Light) had accepted her!

 

Actually, after Rand went through the glass columns, he caught himself wondering how Lanfear had escaped the fiery doom he had seen. Had she given herself to the Dark even then? That implies that, if you were one of the people drilling the Bore when it opened, you either gave yourself to the Dark or died, and no matter whatever face Lanfear put on the issue afterwards.

 

Of course, she might have escaped via other means, too. I'm just reciting Rand's thoughts.

[Majsju]

 

 

Actually, after Rand went through the glass columns, he caught himself wondering how Lanfear had escaped the fiery doom he had seen. Had she given herself to the Dark even then? That implies that, if you were one of the people drilling the Bore when it opened, you either gave yourself to the Dark or died, and no matter whatever face Lanfear put on the issue afterwards.

 

Of course, she might have escaped via other means, too. I'm just reciting Rand's thoughts.

 

Beidomon survived, and he did not join the shadow.

As for Lanfear...

As an aside, for those who think that Lanfear was in some way twisted against her will by being involved in drilling the Bore---I have heard the theory advanced---of all those involved in the project, she was the only major figure to go over to the Shadow. She was ripe for the Shadow's plucking long before the Bore was drilled.

 

http://www.wotmania.com/faqtopic.asp?ID=184

[Ashaman Kovan]

One think to remember...And this is key. She's INSANE!

[Angel of Death]

If she couldn't have him no one could.

[Silver]

Hell has no fury like a woman scorned.

[CUBAREY]

One think to remember...And this is key. She's INSANE!

 

She's power Hungry, obsessed with having LTT, but Insane?  I don't see it. She is quite rational.

[Ashaman Kovan]

Ummm...I'm going to go with very calculatingly insane.

[Asmo]

 

 

Actually, after Rand went through the glass columns, he caught himself wondering how Lanfear had escaped the fiery doom he had seen. Had she given herself to the Dark even then? That implies that, if you were one of the people drilling the Bore when it opened, you either gave yourself to the Dark or died, and no matter whatever face Lanfear put on the issue afterwards.

 

Of course, she might have escaped via other means, too. I'm just reciting Rand's thoughts.

 

Beidomon survived, and he did not join the shadow.

As for Lanfear...

As an aside, for those who think that Lanfear was in some way twisted against her will by being involved in drilling the Bore---I have heard the theory advanced---of all those involved in the project, she was the only major figure to go over to the Shadow. She was ripe for the Shadow's plucking long before the Bore was drilled.

 

http://www.wotmania.com/faqtopic.asp?ID=184

 

How is this relevant whatsoever? Rand and I never mentioned anything about Beidomon or the others. The comment is limited on Lanfear alone.

[Mr Ares]

Actually, after Rand went through the glass columns, he caught himself wondering how Lanfear had escaped the fiery doom he had seen. Had she given herself to the Dark even then? That implies that, if you were one of the people drilling the Bore when it opened, you either gave yourself to the Dark or died, and no matter whatever face Lanfear put on the issue afterwards.

 

Of course, she might have escaped via other means, too. I'm just reciting Rand's thoughts.

Beidomon survived, and he did not join the shadow.

As for Lanfear...

As an aside, for those who think that Lanfear was in some way twisted against her will by being involved in drilling the Bore---I have heard the theory advanced---of all those involved in the project, she was the only major figure to go over to the Shadow. She was ripe for the Shadow's plucking long before the Bore was drilled.

http://www.wotmania.com/faqtopic.asp?ID=184

How is this relevant whatsoever? Rand and I never mentioned anything about Beidomon or the others. The comment is limited on Lanfear alone.

Presumably Mierin escaped the fiery doom in the same way as Beidomon and the others who didn't go over to the Shadow did. Likewise plenty of other people helped "accidentally, and quite literally, dig into it" (Shai'tan), as you put it, and yet none of them went over.

[trakand_01]

I know it has many failings and contradictions, but I'm pretty sure I remember the BWB stating that she was initially horrified, and took a little time before deciding to join the dark. It made it clear (to me when I was reading it at least) that she didnt join immediately.

[Dakeyras]

The BWB seemed to imply it was Lews Therin shunning her for Ilyena that eventually pushed her to the Dark. Don't have the book quote atm though.

[Majsju]

 

 

How is this relevant whatsoever? Rand and I never mentioned anything about Beidomon or the others. The comment is limited on Lanfear alone.

 

Beidomon survived, and did not join the shadow, which completey debunks this:

That implies that, if you were one of the people drilling the Bore when it opened, you either gave yourself to the Dark or died

[RAND AL THOR]

Aye

[wvlr]

What change?    Her personality is pretty much the same.    Conceated, Power Hungry, Jealous Bitxh.    The only thing that changes is that she got spurned - Obviously a Conceeted, Power Hungry, Jealous Bitxh would not take that well - and SUPRISE she does not!   

 

 

Well, maybe is was not a big suprise - at least to me.

[RAND AL THOR]

What change?     Her personality is pretty much the same.    Conceated, Power Hungry, Jealous Bitxh.    The only thing that changes is that she got spurned - Obviously a Conceeted, Power Hungry, Jealous Bitxh would not take that well - and SUPRISE she does not!     

 

 

Well, maybe is was not a big suprise - at least to me.

 

But even that is not much of a change since she was spurned by LTT 3000+ yrs ago.