So what? I don't see a problem with using the tools you have to carry out the job at hand.
And I agree with you. Unfortuantely, you took my statements completely out of context. -- I was responding to Luckers claim that: “She not once uses those ter'angreal in the books to get her own way.”
I say that:
1. That is ridiculous because she has already developed her REPUTATION based on her use of them. Regardless as to whether someone knew that she had used those tools to help her earn that REPUTATION. All AS now treat her differently because of her past accomplishments. Accomplishments that were earned via those “Thingies”. Since AS visably treat her differently, this is obviously seen by NON AS who already regard most AS very highly, resulting in even higher respect given to Caddy from non-AS. The “Gee AS are scared of her – I better jump twice as high for her as I go for regular AS.”
2. We do not have a constant POV from Caddy throughout the books so we can not be sure what “Thingies” she might be using at any given time. We do know that she has “Thingies” that tell her if a male channeler is near and if he is holding Saidin. Because we see this at least once (CoT US HB Pg 540).
So yes she is actively using her “Thingies” in her dealings with one person that we know of - Rand and she can’t help but use the Reputation that she earned in part from her historical use of the Thingies. Does she walk around telling people that she is going to hit them on the head with her Thingies if they do not do what she wants – NO – that is effectively handled by her REPUTATION. People are awed by her reputation.
Have you read TDR? The entire book was Rand ignoring Moiraine's advice.
Depending on the part of TDR you are referring to the answers to that vary – because for a while there he WAS acting quite strange.
Beyond that YES Moiraine frequently gave him good advice in TDR and was more than a little irritated when he did not jump to do everything she suggested. But he rarely if ever refused to listen to the advice. In the end, her advice was not as good as the solutions that he came up with.
Then the problem is not with Cadsuane but with White Tower policy. Regardless, the policy is not a particularly bad one. Indeed, it saves most men an unpleasant end. And it is far better than your idea of using the stedding as shelters. Why would the Ogier even agree to do so? Why would Far Madding agree to do so? Every where, people are scared out of their wits of men who can channel, regardless of whether they are doing so or not.
“the policy is not a particularly bad one”?????? If they had inadvertently gentled the DR and the whole world was lost to the DO – I WOULD CONSIDER THIS TO BE BAD!!! I think that every non-Darkfriend would agree that it would be bad!
That was the context of the statement. Why would Ogier or Far Maddingites refuse something that would save the world over the stupidity that was being committed?
Ref WH US PB Pg 730. Aleis (of the FM Counsel) “We have no fear of Asha’man, Cadsuane” Until this incident – they had no care if a male OR female channeler was in FM, because they knew that said channeler could not channel within the city limits. FM also has a very tight security system set up so that not even a SWORD can enter or leave without their permission. Surely that could easily be adapted to include a branded male channeler. As far as Ogier are concerned, they have ALREADY shown their willingness to do what was necessary to save the world.
OPPS! Thanks for correcting me – so it is even worse than I remembered!
Verin's a dangerous lady--though she never actual confronts anyone, i reguard her to be about the most dangerous character in the series. Cadsuane herself notes that she is left uncertain about Verin, and reguards her warily. Moiraine too is strong and dangerous. But Rand dismisses both. Neither could have done what Cadsuane is doing, and that those are both strong willed women does not make Cadsuane less so--indeed i would still place her as stronger willed than either Verin or Moiraine. In a direct confrontation with either Cadsuane would win. Verin would never let such a confrontation happen, and Moiraine... well, it did happen in NS, and Moiraine was forced to flee under cover of dark.
“Verin's a dangerous lady--though she never actual confronts anyone, i reguard her to be about the most dangerous character in the series.”
Well it’s nice to agree with you about at least one little tidbit lately!!
“Moiraine was forced to flee under cover of dark.”
Come on! Moraine was only just raised and was caught up in other very urgent and important business that could not be delayed at the time. It really demeans your argument to even mention it.
“In a direct confrontation with either Cadsuane would win.” No in a direct confrontation with Verin, Caddy would be DEAD!! She came DAMN close already and you know it!
I am sorry but I can’t take this as gospel, if you do – that is OK to me - but to me the AS really seemed to be terribly sloppy about those things – look at all the runaways and AS rejects that left the Tower with that stuff. Look at Caddy she has had her stuff near forever and we know from Moraine that their possession of such stuff is supposed to be limited. But you are probably correct that that was the way that it was supposed to work.
Well that is what they would like you to believe but if you believe it then how about if I sell you some prime beach front property in Arizona. I can guarantee you that it will be a steal!
The fact is that you have no proof of this and especially for minor lords which is what we are talking about. If anything, this desire to give the “appearance” of no break in family line would ensure greater secrecy in any such adoptions that were needed due to infertility or deaths of the true line. That level of secrecy would preclude AS from ever being completely sure even for minor lords.
What? Who was trying to cast dark aspirations on Caddy?
And I could well be wrong but I thought that in EoTW, Moraine and Siuan commented that they had to be careful because Rand could quite easily get accidentally gentled before he was declared