Will Egwene Kill Perrin?

[Darth_Andrea]

I was wondering if anyone thinks that when Egwene finds out about Perrin allowing the colaring of all those Wise Ones how she is gonna react? We all know her feelings twards the Seanchan, and I was wondering if anyone else thinks her affection for the Aiel (shido not withstanding) might bring herself to end up hurting if not killing him.

 

 

 

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[Majsju]

Uhm, no.

 

Without going into the number of reasons why Egwene would do no such thing, we know that Perrin will live long enough for Faile to become queen of Saldea. That leaves plenty of time for Egwene to cool down and accept that the Shaido was an enemy that had to be dealt with. And the filthy habit of collaring people seems to be headed towards it end.

[Guest leebarr]

Perrin may get a talking down but no more. Mat and Tuon will bring a end to the collaring. so the wise ones collared will be released hopefully after they are brought down a few pags.

[algspkr]

Perrin may get a talking down but no more. Mat and Tuon will bring a end to the collaring. so the wise ones collared will be released hopefully after they are brought down a few pags.

I'm not so sure about this.  The only Seanchan we have seen who came to truely question collaring is Eganan, and she seemed to think that the practise should be kept for criminals.

[Kadere]

But Tuon's realization that she can learn to channel grouped with her relationship with Mat and the Aes Sedai following him will probably play a large role in ending this technique.

[DemandredFO]

The healing of Satelle Anan will be the catalyst for Tuon changing her mind about collaring.  As for the Shaido wiseones they may not be set free since they have no reason to like nearly everyone.

[Guest cw]

But Tuon's realization that she can learn to channel grouped with her relationship with Mat and the Aes Sedai following him will probably play a large role in ending this technique.

 

Do you honestly think so?  I don't.  Tuon is very strong willed.  Probably more so than those Aes Sedai so they will never convince her she can learn.  At the same time, Tuon is taking any opportunity to try and slip a collar on them that she can.  If she succeeds at that, she will soon have those Aes Sedai thinking they should be collared.

 

The wildcard in all this is Mat.  Tuon has a better chance of winning him to her point of view than Mat does of bringing her around.

[wvlr]

The wildcard in all this is Mat.  Tuon has a better chance of winning him to her point of view than Mat does of bringing her around.

 

Sorry, I can't immaging Mat changing his view on protecting women.    We have seen Suldam spontaniously start channeling under stress.  Being an Emeress is especially stressful and TG will create more stress.

 

If Tuon does spontaniously start channeling just once, she will no longer have the choice.    It will be Learn or DIE.    Her entire family is dead - there is no one else to turn the crown over to, with TG comming plus her friendship with Satelle Anan I think that it is much more likely that Tuon finally converts.

[Guest cw]

Tuon will not spontaneously start to Channel.  She is passed the age at which that will occur.  The worst that would happen is she would develop an affinity for her da'mane.  That affinity is an accepted part of Seanchan culture.

 

Mat's view on protecting women verses his view on all things power related.  Even Tuon is more willing to have connections to the Power than Mat.  Heck, she had to brow beat him into accepting Healing.  If Joline and company keep up there antics, and Mat is forced to endure another round of Elayne, I can see him accepting the idea of using a'dam to control them.  After all, nothing says they you have treat da'mane as dirt.  Just that they do.

[icspots]

Tuon will not spontaneously start to Channel.  She is passed the age at which that will occur.  The worst that would happen is she would develop an affinity for her da'mane.  That affinity is an accepted part of Seanchan culture.

 

He's not saying that she would spontaneously start as if she were born with the spark (since we know she wasn't).  He's referring to Bethamin and Seta who both began channeling after Joline and Teslyn refused to teach them.  Once they started The Aes Sedai agreed that they had to be taught if just to keep them safe.  I don't think Bethamin and Seta spontaneously started.  I think they consciously applied what they knew of damane embracing the source to themselves and made themselves channel.  Not saying that stress didn't have it's own role in it, but I still believe it was a conscious decision and not an accident.

[algspkr]

Tuon will not spontaneously start to Channel.  She is passed the age at which that will occur.  The worst that would happen is she would develop an affinity for her da'mane.  That affinity is an accepted part of Seanchan culture.

I'm not so sure about this.  I believe that women can spark as late as twenty-five, but I am going off a dimly remembered quote I believe from RJ so there is a good chance that I am wrong.

 

The healing of Satelle Anan will be the catalyst for Tuon changing her mind about collaring.  As for the Shaido wiseones they may not be set free since they have no reason to like nearly everyone.

I did not think of Satelle Anan, and I would have to say that this makes scene.

[kleribituc]

I really don't think that Egwene would kill one of her chidhood friends under any circumstance.

[Guest cw]

Tuon will not spontaneously start to Channel.  She is passed the age at which that will occur.  The worst that would happen is she would develop an affinity for her da'mane.  That affinity is an accepted part of Seanchan culture.

I'm not so sure about this.  I believe that women can spark as late as twenty-five, but I am going off a dimly remembered quote I believe from RJ so there is a good chance that I am wrong.

 

The healing of Satelle Anan will be the catalyst for Tuon changing her mind about collaring.  As for the Shaido wiseones they may not be set free since they have no reason to like nearly everyone.

I did not think of Satelle Anan, and I would have to say that this makes scene.

 

Saying that Satelle Anan will be Healed so that she can channel again is a huge, and not very likely, assumption.  She came to accept the change in her position a long time ago.  She isn't going to be jumping at the chance to be Aes Sedai again.  She actually strikes me as being contemptuous of the Aes Sedai with Mat.

[Darth_Andrea]

Saying that Satelle Anan will be Healed so that she can channel again is a huge, and not very likely, assumption.  She came to accept the change in her position a long time ago.  She isn't going to be jumping at the chance to be Aes Sedai again.  She actually strikes me as being contemptuous of the Aes Sedai with Mat.

 

 

I honestly don't remember has she even been told that Stilling can be healed? I don't remember seeing that. If she dosen't know, then who is to say what she might do when she finds out.

 

 

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[Caerlie]

First off, Egwene is hot to trot on keeping the 3 oaths, so she's hardly going to break one to kill her childhood friend. It would be completely out of character.  Secondly given that all Suldam can also learn to channel, or have some ability with the source, the Seanchan's powerbase will shocked to the core once that is discovered. Although this probably lies on Tuon accepting this.

On Setalle, I agree that she doesn't hold Aes Sedai in awe anymore, like the rest of the Kin. She's also used to not being able to channel, she clearly had a passion that kept her going, that doesn't mean to say she doesn't harbour a desire to channel again and not be Aes Sedai...

 

[algspkr]

First off, Egwene is hot to trot on keeping the 3 oaths, so she's hardly going to break one to kill her childhood friend. It would be completely out of character.  Secondly given that all Suldam can also learn to channel, or have some ability with the source, the Seanchan's powerbase will shocked to the core once that is discovered. Although this probably lies on Tuon accepting this.

On Setalle, I agree that she doesn't hold Aes Sedai in awe anymore, like the rest of the Kin. She's also used to not being able to channel, she clearly had a passion that kept her going, that doesn't mean to say she doesn't harbour a desire to channel again and not be Aes Sedai...

 

In KoD Mat said something like: You can channell just like the Aes Sedai, you are no different.  To which Tuon replied with: I can learn but I chose not to, just as I chose not to murder.

 

So it seems that she knows and accepts the fact that she can be taught to channell, but she views doing so as an unacceptable choice.

[cheyjade]

First off, Egwene is hot to trot on keeping the 3 oaths, so she's hardly going to break one to kill her childhood friend.

 

Which oath would she be breaking? It seems that alot of people confuse 'Never to use the One Power as a weapon except against Shadowspawn, or in the last extreme defense of her life, the life of her Warder or another Aes Sedai ' with 'thou shalt not kill'. If Egwene orders Perrin's execution, I think a handful of Warders could carry that out quite nicely. Or she could even stab him herself - still not breaking any oaths there if she uses a real knife instead of Air.

[DuDZiK]

Egwene would not kill Perrin, when doing so would in essence lose Tarmon Gaidon before it ever started.

[elmis]

She won't kill Perrin. It would be out of her character to do so, and even more the point DuDZiK makes is valid, but depends if she knows that though. The only Aes Sedai that I can recall who really figured out that piece of information is Moiraine, and I'm not sure if she told Egwene and the others. In other words, they know he is important, but maybe they don't know how essential he is. I could be wrong here though, wouldn't be the first time. :)

 

I definately think that Tuon might see things differently if/when Setalle is healed, but I'm not sure she herself would start to learn how to channel. At any rate, I think it's the whole sul'dam can learn how to channel discovery that will change the Seanchan way of viewing the power. That they're in a culture that has a radically different view of the power will also have it's effect I suspect.

 

If however Tuon decides to learn how to channel, that would be the ultimate prank on Mat though, he finally settles on a girl and guess what, she's one of them. :)