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DuDZiK

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  1. I had a thought. Everyone - by whom I mean all the main characters: Rand, Mat and Perrin especially but perhaps the Ewgenes, Elaynes, Nynaeves etc - will presumably have to meet up just before or during Tarmon Gaidon (sp?) and I was thinking about where. How, it's been a while since I've read through the series so I will need reminding/correcting on a number of things, but this is my theory: Mat has to find and rescue Moiraine; Rand has to meet and deal with Tuon as well as the Borderland armies; Perrin has to deal with Morgase and Damodred (sp?) and the White Cloaks; Elayne seems to just have to deal with her pregnancy ::); Egwene has to deal with Elaida and the civil war between the Aes Sedai; Aviendha is somewhere with the Aiel who are preparing for battle, and I believe they were sent into the areas close to where the Seanchan are (the land where Italrude is leading the Seanchan into a trap... Tarabon is it?); Nynaeve is with Rand; and Lan is gathering an army in the Borderlands. These are the things that the last book built up towards, and told us/implied should happen. Now my theory is that all of these dealings will lead everyone to Tar Valon just before Tarmon Gaidon, and I will go through them by character: Mat - Has to rescue Moiraine. He will go into the land of the Aelfinn and Eelfinn (man I can't remember names tonight...) through the Tower of Ghenji, I believe the name was. But where will he come out? I had thought that it would be the door that was being sent by Moiraine to Tar Valon, but then I remembered thats the one that melted when she and Lanfear went through it ::) Then I remembered there was another door... the one from Tear. Wasn't it supposed to be sent to Tar Valon as well (again, can't remember so someone feel free to clear that up). If it was, I suspect he with Thom, Noal and Moiraine will come out of the door in the White Tower just as the Seanchan are attacking it or maybe after the battle is over, but an even more significant conflict/event is unfolding. If he it was not, I still suspect that something will lead him there, possibly to fight against the Seanchan as he said he would or possibly to save Egwene (as he always seems to...) and/or Tuon (I suspect she will be in danger during the book, and will be rescued which will in some way lead to her kneeling to Rand as someone, if I remember correctly, had a vision/dream of). Rand - has to meet with Tuon, as well as the Borderland army. I suspect that the latter will happen first, and as others have predicted will have some trouble with those thirteen Sisters that are with the army and whom we have neither seen nor know nothing of other than that they are there. I suspect that this will lead him to Tar Valon, likely alone and likely in captivity (Did Perrin not have to save him a second time?). And since I also suspect that Tuon will at some point be in Tar Valon, I find it extremely likely that the meeting she will have with Rand will be there. This will also reunite him and his party (Nynaeve, Cadsuane, Min etc.) with Moiraine and Mat and co. when they get there. Perhaps Moiraine's vital role in the Last Battle will happen at the very beginning, perhaps it is her helping him 'heal' that is her importance. Either way, whatever her importance is I see it happening at Tar Valon. Perrin - Has to deal with Morgase and Demodred (sp?) and his White Cloaks. I don't see this as having to take up very much of the book, and as many have said (and I have picked up on just above) Perrin still has to save Rand another time, and I pretty much explained why I see him ending up in Tar Valon in my explanations for Rand. Yet here's the twist: I see him bringing the White Cloaks along with him (and Demodred obviously) to help fight the Seanchan and save Tar Valon. That's right, I said I think the White Cloaks will help save Tar Valon, and I think that was foreshadowed in the last book with what Demodred and his White Cloak captains said about the Aes Sedai. Perhaps they will agree, Demodred at first who will convince the other White Cloaks, to follow him because he defeated the Aiel and saved Morgase. Either way, his conflict with the White Cloaks - or rather their conflict with him will have to be solved before the Last Battle if they are to fight on the same side. I also see him possibly getting that crown of Saldea sooner than expected. The Borderland armies have in their company the queen (whose name, like many tonight, are on the tip of my tongue but elude me none the less) of Saldea and whom is looking for Bashere her uncle, and Faile's father. The former army also just so happens to contain some possible Black Ajah, so perhaps the queen will be a casualty in their kidnapping attempt (whether it succeeds or not) of Rand, and if Bashere is not as well he will still likely end up following with or even leading (depending on the fate of the queen) that same army to Tar Valon after Rand. So if those two die, Perrin will end up king with Faile as queen (no matter which is the de facto ruler, he will likely end up commander of the army along with his 'Manethern' (sp?) army) and that means he has to end up with that army at some point. Egwene, Nynaeve, and Elayne - Egwene's obvious, because she's already there. The other two are equally obvious, because Tar Valon will likely have to be healed of it's split and all the Aes Sedai will probably gather together as the Last Battle is about to begin at Tar Valon. Nynaeve especially, because she has to confront Moiraine again. Perhaps Lan will end up there also, but because of his situation and self-perceived duty in the Borderlands I have trouble seeing him coming all the way down to Tar Valon unless someone Travels to get him. Now of course all of these characters will bring others with them: Cadsuane, Min (and I already mentioned Nynaeve) will follow Rand to Tar Valon. I see Min having some important visions on the eve of Tarmon Gaidon, and I see Cadsuane in a quick battle of wills/meeting with Moiraine over Rand's 'situation' that Cadsuane is trying to fix and that Moiraine probably will succeed in fixing. Others include Logain, who will probably have to deal with Taim and the Black Tower, and who I also see leading the Asha'man into battle to help save the White Tower from the Seanchan and possibly merge them into one entity - man and woman, as it was before the Breaking. Laoil I also see leading a contingent/army of Ogier to meet up with everyone else. Basically, I see all those individual characters with their storylines merging into the one epic event that will be an immediate prelude to the Last Battle: the attack on Tar Valon. Thoughts?
  2. Hmmm... a good point. What do the prophecies or the more recent visions/dreams/foretellings say about Perrin? Anything that might tie him to the danger that is quickly approaching the White Tower? I think it could be a possibility, since he needs something to do in the next book and I doubt that dealing with Morgase and her son leading the White Cloaks (I always forget/mix up his name...) will be ALL he has to do.
  3. Wow... alot of good points here and alot of things I had never even thought to consider, but this probably takes the cake:
  4. Don't people say the same thing of marriage? ::) Joking aside, every Warder seems to have a reason to allowing himself to become one. We know Lan's, at least, and we know Rand's and what Gawyn's will be when and if he becomes Egwene's Warder. Now not all Warder's will have those kinds of reasons, but they will undoubtedly have one (or more).
  5. Which begs the question (one that was asked in the series by one of the Wonder Girls I believe...): Why on earth would a man ever agree to become a Warder? I think it varies Warder to Warder; with Lan he acted like a servant to Moiraine, but it seemed like he did it to keep her as comfortable and as healthy/rested as possible, knowing that at any time she could have to use her powers and would need her energy. Yet others, especially those who are Warders to a Green, seem to be little more than glorified doormats with swords. And yet I also seem to recall hearing references to new Aes Sedai who become troublesome being assigned grizzled old Warders who control them more than the AS controls him. Ah! I remember, it was Brigitte talking about one of the AS who Egwene and co. read about in stories; and Brigitte's account were very much different than the stories.
  6. Zealous? Zealots want converts! Do you think I have some crazy need to be right and have others believe me? This whole thing started with me hating Lan. That's not right! I shouldn't hate people! You think I want folks to agree with me so the entire board can hang effigies of Lan and beat him like a piñata until the stone-flavored candy falls out? I would not eat that candy! It came out of Lan! I hate that guy! rofl calm down Jay, I did say "to each their own", I just meant that you seemed to put in more effort to explain why you don't like Lan than people would normally. Personally, I'm rather apathetic in my feelings towards him. I'm no Lan-fanboy, but I don't dislike him either. Oh I agree with you, Rand is, or rather can be, incredibly whiny. That said, some of your examples of him being whiny I don't find whiny at all. ;)
  7. I sort of agree with what RAND AL THOR said to Jay. While I do appreciate the addage "to each their own", Jay, you seem a tad... zealous, in your belief that Rand is whiny and Lan is to be loathed. Now don't get me wrong, your sarcasm and witty rants had me chuckling at more than a few spots, but some of the things you said and tried to argue just seemed to me like you knew what you wanted to believe. By that I mean, you can look at a passage and instantly turn it into evidence that proves your point, where others will look at it totally differently. Now, understanding that we're talking of opinions here so EVERYONE will do the same sort of thing, as I said you're a bit more extreme than most. Right then, that was me trying to be as accomodating and objective as possible, and now for something completely different: LAN?! Are you freaking KIDDING me?! :P
  8. I'd say that the legal system doesn't matter, not when it comes to diplomatic dealings between two different nations. At that point you have to rely on international law, and the only such thing that seems to have existed in Randland was similar to that of human history: diplomats are sacrosanct, and any mistreatment of them by an opposing party is grounds for the other party to claim any deal void.
  9. DuDZiK

    Reunion

    I'm of a close mind to that, but I think it will actually be her reappearance that gets him laughing and crying again, like Jarraad said.
  10. Not disagreeing with you on Tuon, but doesn't it seem kind of stupid to have this huge build-up to the end of Mat's bachelorhood - and then nothing? I imagine and quite a few disagree with me on this, Tuon will be presant in the battle of the white tower, I am sure she is the one in Egwene's dream!!. Mat will be busy for shure, not that is a bad thing, as other than the Forsaken parts, Mat is the funnest to read. Tuon also has to deal with Rand, as she has the little matter of meeting with with the Dragon Reborn. I seem to recall there being a viewing or a prophecy that said that the Daughter of the Nine Moons will bow to Rand or something.
  11. If they were threatened and abused, at that point they can consider any deal that come of it null and void. You just can't treat negotiators or diplomats like that. Actually I just remembered something. Was the deal with the Sea Folk before or after Egwene had told Elayne and Nynaeve her plans for uniting all women who can channel in some form of association or another with the White Tower?
  12. ...and? That doesn't mean that they HAD to give it to them, or even let them anywhere near it. They went to them on good faith, with the idea that it was in their mutual interest to fix the weather. In fact, I don't understand how they went from the Bowl and the issue of the weather to giving over Aes Sedai teachers to the Sea Folk. Why not just say: "We want the weather fixed, we have this bowl, you'd be the best to fix it. So we'll give you the bowl as well as out strongest channelers so you can fix the weather, and that's that". That right there is a completely one-sided deal to begin with. They get nothing that they themselves specifically needed, since the weather was something EVERYONE needed fixing. Yet somehow the wonder girls were incredibly stupid enough to give them MORE after that, when it was completely unnecessary. I mean to say the deal was one-sided would have to be the understatement of the third age ::)
  13. Yes and no. Given his current character, I do look back with nostalgia at the kinder, more innocent Rand. But then I remember that when I was first reading the series alot of that 'farmboy' Rand irritated me no end - for with innocence comes naivety, and with kindness comes 'doormat syndrome' as I call it. ::)
  14. This is something I had thought many times myself... I mean some of the Aes Sedai - whether fully trained or the 'wonder girls' - must have the negotiating skills of a three year old to make some of those deals. Either that or the Sea Folk are extremely well practiced at threats and mental pressures or something, but I wonder if those negotiators have ever heard that if you don't like the deal on the table to simply walk away? I mean some of the deals made don't even make any logical sense. Like the one for the Bowl of the Winds: The Sea Folk get the bowl, Aes Sedai teachers whom they can bully as much as they want, in exchange for... what? I still can't figure out what the Aes Sedai got in return that can match what they gave.
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