The character I am most disappointed in.

[aevogt]

Gaul

 

Chiad - "Well sure I like you and I'll even sleep with you but I don't want any kind of commitment and you have to promise you'll sleep with my hot first-sister as well"

 

Gaul  - "No, no, no only if you'll marry me"

 

Now, I don't think this is a believeable male character. 

[Ashaman Kovan]

Perrin is the most disappointing character in my opinion.

[Baldar]

Bain is his blood enemy, he'd probably rather bed a trolloc.

 

 

Most disappointed in? Perrin, hands down.

[aevogt]

Actually, Chiad is Goshien, his blood enemy, Bain is Sharaad, as is Gaul.

[Daedallus]

from my own 20-something male standpoint, i have to agree with the OP about being disapointed in a fellow male.

 

On the other hand. Aeil are all about honor. And basically what Chiad has told him, is that she doesn't respect or honor him enough to put off the candin'sor for him. Hes not good enough to marry. He'll never have a child from her to continue his line either.

[G.I.]

I am most disappointed in the former Queen Morgaese.  Running to the Whitecloaks for help????  Not very regal behavior in my opinion. 

 

 

[TwoRiversWI]

perrin.

 

 

I went to racing to the sections he was in... Two Rivers being saved.... to skipping his sections of the novels. I cant stand what he his storyline.

 

the queen comes a close second. how the heck did she ever manage to rule a kingdom? she makes terrible decisions and is very unlikable.

 

tr born.

[DemandredFO]

Just because you're a queen doesn't automatically qualify you for brainiac level.  Morgase is a coward and unlike Nyneave, who claims cowardice but isn't, Morgase is.  I think Lini runs that show and Thom and Gareth when they were around.  I too am disappointed in Perrin but also Egwene.  Perrin is a hypocrit, he tells matt not to be motivated by self-interest but then says screw the world as long as I have Faile.  Egwene, I actually liked her in the beginning, I think she went wrong when she learned she could bully Nyneave.  No one has yet deflated her head from that experience

[safwd]

You guys are kind of harsh. LOL

I have to give Gaul props, he and Bain really dont like each other so he isnt into the both of them thing. Im not saying i would make that choice. It doenst matter anyway, he will end up married to both of them.

I really like Perrin but im not thrilled with his story line always has to be about him saving Faile. I think in the last book he will be pretty cool again.

Morgase is a bit of a disappointment i guess.Going to the Whitecloaks was not the best idea in the world but i guess she felt she didnt have many options. She is kind of hosed considering all of her previous backing is long gone thanks to Rahvin.

Faile is probably my least favorite big character but im really not disappointed in her, i just dont really care about her.

[Artfully_Unintelligent]

For sho. Morgase knows rand. or rather, she met him. She also knew her daughter liked rand very much, saving him from arrest and all that and standing up to morgase because of him, not to mention the fact that once the rumors of rand started, the rumours of 'gaebril' stopped. and it if she had half as much brains as she thought she did she should know rand would probably...enjoy her company...as well. Either way, there are a lot of things she should have done differently, or better. I am ignoring her mistake in going to the whitecloaks on the assumption that she helped bring about Nialls demise which helps out rand a bit. At first she was pretty cool, i was a big fan, but recently, its all i can do not to rip her sections from the book. But i can read hers though, because i know in the end she will end up with Elayne and it will be one of the best "i told ya so" moments for me...not that i talk to the characters or anything, mind. 

 

Perrin is incredibly dissapointing. he was always very intelligent. the silent, stolid character who knew what was right and didnt complain about doing it. then he meets this crazy backstabbing chick named faile who doesnt much seem to care whether she hurts her husbands feelings or whether or not he worries about her. She does whatever she wants regardless of what he knows, thinks, or feels and Perrin feeds that. when a chapter with perrin comes up i just put the book down. i have read plenty of stories that take different plot lines with different characters and no matter how much i dont like them i always grit my teeth and complete the story but with him, its nigh impossible.

 

I dont think Gaul is a disspointment. not really, he likes chiad and chiad would rather spend her time with her spear and bain which it seems is true to form for the maidens, he will just have to wait till she gets too old or something.

 

Egwene is a huge dissapointment. I can understand her wanting to be Aes Sedai which i didnt like though, but she is prepared to forsake rand because of it i believe. I can understand some of the things she does, but most of it seems just plain stupid. She told gareth bryne that if the tower breaks or falls or whetever then no one will have hope. I wanted to slap her for that. How can anyone be so naive and conceited? if the tower falls then half the men and women on the planet will get a good nights sleep for once and the other half will probably pretend it never existed. No one likes Aes Sedai. Not even other Aes Sedai. I was fond of her at the beginning. She was a good balance for perrin and rand and mat but she takes it to whole new levels now. constantly believing randis the arrogant one when its pretty much been her the whole time. Even nyneave doesnt bring up rands arrogance now that she had spent some time with him. Aes Sedai like her are the reason no one likes Aes Sedai.

 

Thats about as far as my list goes.

 

Perrin/Egwene tie for first.

Faile/Morgase take second.

Aes Sedai to the exclusion of Elayne and Moiraine and the ones in rands "palm" take a nice third.

 

Which brings me to an important question. If i skip Perrins and Egwenes and fails story, will i miss important plot points and will i regret it? The only  one i absolutley will not miss is rands and mats. If i get those will i be able to stay on top of the story? if anyone can answer that i would greatly appreciate it. 

[Ahaz Flagg]

Like most here, I also am very dissapointed with Perrin the most,  he was ready to forsake the world for that stupid idit Faile. 

 

Morgase, ehh I am not dissapointed with her at all, we all know the reasons she went ot the whitecloaks,  Niall left her little choice. Going to Amador looking for the Kings help was not the smartest choice, but to balme the white cloaks on here, well its not fair.  Morgase, under the circumstance is doing the best she can.

[Darian]

perrin.

 

 

I went to racing to the sections he was in... Two Rivers being saved.... to skipping his sections of the novels. I cant stand what he his storyline.

 

the queen comes a close second. how the heck did she ever manage to rule a kingdom? she makes terrible decisions and is very unlikable.

 

tr born.

the queen, hmm, lets see...she was made to dance like a puppet for a forsaken, after which she had waken from, she realized that all her enemies surrounded her, what choice does she have but run? would you even have the strength to break free of Gabriel's compulsion?  the queen is a remarkable woman, but just unfortunate...you should really read into every character before jumping to conclusion.

[Daedallus]

I am most dissapointed in Elaida.

 

She was smart enough to complete her coup d'état, pulling in sisters from all ajah's but the blue. She found ways to make them kneel, even when they had her over a barrel. But she blows it all by just being a stereotypical Red ajah ninny when it comes to making any decisions that have to do with the good of the tower. Its like she had a brain anuerism after gaining the Amyrlin Seat. "of all ajah's and none"

 

I will never understand RJ's view of women in general, I'm married in RL, close to many women, and while they can be infuriating, i've never seen so many Unreasonably Irrationaly Superior females depicted in one setting.

[eflynn]

Wow, all this disappointment in Perrin.  Honestly, I'm not sure it's all deserved.  You're all entitled to your opinions of course but if it's just that he spent the last two books obsessed with getting his wife back, isn't there something to be said for that kind of loyalty?  Also, I don't believe Perrin has forgotten his purpose in being there.  He is very much aware of Masema's presence, as well as what decapitating the Shaido will do for Rand.  The only thing that kinda' disappointed me about Perrin is that he gave up Manetheren to the Seanchan.  I'm thinking in RJ's mind there was something symbolic about that exchange, though I haven't quite figured out what.

 

I'm not really disappointed in any character (except maybe Beonin) but some of the plot threads got kinda' boring, like Egwene's in COT.  Mostly just AS bickering back and forth.  Boring!!!

[Shaidar]

Perrin

 

Frankly I just don't see the point of him at all. What is it?

 

He was OK to read about for the first 3, maybe even 4, books. But I agree with previous posters that his story became unbearably tedious after Faile was kidnappened? What's the point of this? You already got the 'damsel in distress' element of the story in the form of Moiraine, who will get a tiny amount of space in the next book relative to the total length of the freeing Faile saga.

 

Perrin would have been better left out. Egwene should have been the 3rd ta'veren. She's certainly accomplished some ta'vereny things already by now.

 

Lanfear, Asmodean, Moiraine

 

Why oh why did three of some of the coolest characters in the series have to die so abruptly...in one book...within the space of fifty pages or so??

 

Elayne

 

I found her story about consolidating control over restless Andoran nobles to be very boring. She was quite likeable in the beginning, irritating after meeting Thom and unbearable after Winter's Heart.

 

Likewise with the Kin and Windfinders, I wish a circle of Black Ajah and Forsaken struck Caemlyn and performed a decapitating strike on the channelers there.

 

Morgase

 

Why oh why couldn't she just...die? The 'pauper and princess' theme is already covered with Juilin and Amathera.

 

In general

 

I love WoT, but it really would be much better if the number of major characters in it were slashed by 80%.

[eflynn]

I will never understand RJ's view of women in general, I'm married in RL, close to many women, and while they can be infuriating, i've never seen so many Unreasonably Irrationaly Superior females depicted in one setting.

 

Lot's of people have talked about this.  It seems everyone has their own take on it.  Personally, I think RJ's depiction of women this way (not all women are depicted like this) is very much deliberate and not because he has anything against women.  A central theme that is weaved through WOT is balance.  There are a lot of examples of it - light and dark, Saidin and Saidar, freedom and domination, etc.  The whole idea behind ta'veren is that the pattern sometimes gets out of whack and the wheel needs to spin out someone to pull the threads back into place.  I think what RJ is trying to do is show, through absurdity, what happens when things get out of balance.  There have been no male channelers since the breaking of the world.  IN fact, it was men who broke the world in the first place.  The White Tower dominates the lands.  Kings and queens kneel to the Amyrlin.  It is by far a female dominated society.  There are consequences when the balance is broken. 

[Kirjava Daemora]

I have to say I'm most disappointed in Egwene. She's great until she becomes teh Amyrlin, and then, though I like her character, she becomes boring. She moans about headaches and politics. Elayne is similar, but I prefer her in general, so I suppose I'm a little biased.

 

Also, Rand as a character annoys me. Maybe this is a feminine point of view, but he doesn't need to be made of stone! Why hasn't Cadsuane fixed his emotions yet!? It gets really annoying reading about how he can't let Aviendha or Elayne near him in case he hurts them.

 

Those are my top 2, but I could rant for hours.

[Blackmoore]

I'd have to say that Egwene Sedai is the most dissapointing character.

 

She has gone from loving Rand, wanting to help him, wanting to protect him from the other Aes Sedai to wanting to control him and obstruct him.  Certainly, she does not want to control him like Elaida does, Egwene has no intention of physically caging him. 

 

But, as Moiraine learned before her end, Rand has the duty, Rand will pay the ultimate sacrifice and he must be free to do what he needs to do, free to effect the world.

 

Further, Egwene started as a revolutionary figure among the Aes Sedai.  This is an organization who's usefullness has been long outlived.  She was poised to make it relevant again, to make it trustworthy, to forget about the 3 Oaths, which have done so much harm to the Aes Sedai and very little good. 

 

More and more, I see her as just her as a younger version of Elaida.

 

Contrast Egwene's current view of Rand with those of Nynaeve.  Would Egwene have ever consented to Rand's plan to cleanse saidin?  Not in a million years.

[Lord of the Morning]

Perrin.

 

Perrin has done more major things than Mat definately, but Perrin's chapters are soooo boring, and his 3 book chase for Faile just got tedious, between his knots, and his depression.

 

Have to agree with OP though, if two hot chicks want to sleep with you, non-committal and you say no, then it is as great a sin as turning into a darkfriend. ;)

[Guest leebarr]

PERRIN IS WHIPPED. He needs to stand up and be a man.

[Vambram]

PERRIN IS WHIPPED.

 

::)

 

 

[BKVMC]

 

I will never understand RJ's view of women in general, I'm married in RL, close to many women, and while they can be infuriating, i've never seen so many Unreasonably Irrationaly Superior females depicted in one setting.

 

Substitute  women for men  and  you mostly  describe  how things in our society is now  less  so that  50 years ago  or so but still unbalanced, the very fact that  that  most men still in this day  and age  confronted with a  fierce opinionated  woman  his first word to  describe her is a  Bitch  while  a  guy in the same  circumstances is  a  cool  dude.  for some men the reason they  find the  females in  WOT  so  offensive is because  they  challenge their own self opinion of  superiority even if its  not expressed or  acknowledged :)

[cheyjade]

 

'Super Girls':

... a  fierce opinionated   woman   his first word to  describe her is a  Bitch  while  a   guy in the same  circumstances is   a  cool   dude. 

 

It's not exactly that though. Nynaeve and Elayne are infuriatingly rude to Mat, Thom and Julian over the course of a couple books. They epitomize BITCH for those few months, looking down their noses at those 'interfering men' who save their asses time after time. Birgitte was right to set them down and make them apologize.

 

I'm female, and *I* call them bitches.

 

Perrin and Faile:

I agree about skipping over Perrin's chapters in later books, his tunnel vision mindset is agonizing. I enjoy reading from Faile's POV, however. She's a natural leader, and possibly ta'veren from the way the other gai'shain just gravitate towards her.

 

Morgase:

Ugh.

 

Egwene:

I kinda like the way she's handling things. I've been rooting for her from the beginning.

 

Mat:

I love Mat - his attitude is just great.

 

Rand:

In later books, he does a pretty good job cowing nations. But being an actual human being? Cadsuane needs to get a move on teaching him how to laugh again.

 

My fiance's kicking me off the computer, so, that's all for now.

 

[DemandredFO]

I'm going defend Eliada slightly, yes she did bring of the coup and everything but

a.  she was mind-f****d by Padan Fain

B.  She was used and abused by alviarin

her most damning crime however is her new power went to her head, she gave the Seanchan a good way to catch channelers and she handed down harsh punishments, all this was on her own

I can see morgase running but NOT all the way to the whitecloaks

 

RJ's view of women has nothing to do, or very little, with how some of the female characters are.  Look at how screwed up our world is because men have had power for so long.  I can think of no better example of this than the Catholic Church, the priest shortage problems would most likely be solved if they allowd women.

One aspect of WOT is social commentary saying, the pendulum needs to be in the middle.  Okay, my 2cnents.

[Ararana]

Considering all the Perrin bashing going around, I must throw in my honest opinion.

 

Perrin Rocks. He is almost as cool as Faile. I'm not joking.

 

The two of them together are just great stuff to read, and I think they are more involved with the overall story then what they are given credit for.

 

Defiantly my favorites.

 

-Ararana