Did the series give you a deeper understanding of the books?

[expat]

Since the show has been cancelled, this forum will inevitably shrink and go dormant.  Before that happens, I would like to thank everyone who posted because the series, the discussion here. and thinking about the discussion has given me a deeper insight into my feelings of the books (both positively and negatively).  I've read the series 3 times, but it was mostly superficially as an interesting fantasy, adventure series without delving too deeply into the specifics of the books.  The series and the discussion raised many interesting questions that caused me to think much deeper than before.  

 

Did anyone else experience the series the same way?  What insights (both good and bad) did you gain from watching and discussing the series?

[HeronMarkedBlade]

No, most definitely not. Fan fiction does not illuminate source material. 

[WoTwasThat]

Yeah no. The only thing the show illuminated for me was how much better the books are. Theres literally nothing about the show that was an improvement or offered any insight into the source material. 

[WheelofJuke]

No.

[expat]

Sad.  Several years of detailed discussion and nothing caused you to rethink your understanding of anything in the books.  I am not so presumptuous to believe that nobody has anything to teach me and that my original interpretation was gospel.  Sounds like you already had you mind made up and you weren't here to engage with the other posters but only to lecture to the other readers.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

The sad fact is that many people here have not been discussing the show or the books but have been simply on a crusade against certain politics. No matter what people think regarding the quality of the show I cannot understand people that don't appreciate the extra content regarding the story,  and I don't mean the show itself, but all the discussions, the fodder for content creators, the new members on sites like DM... even if you were only united in your hatred of the show.

 

I think the difference between people such as Samt (sorry to pick on you) who may disagree with me on nearly everything but clearly is invested in the books and this community, and these anti-woke crusaders who gatekeep the books while often showing really poor understanding of the books is very clear.

[Elendir]

So, this thread is just bait to lure members to share their opinions. So you could than tell them how unwise their are, because their opinion differ from yours?

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[Mailman]

  On 6/2/2025 at 8:29 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

The sad fact is that many people here have not been discussing the show or the books but have been simply on a crusade against certain politics. No matter what people think regarding the quality of the show I cannot understand people that don't appreciate the extra content regarding the story,  and I don't mean the show itself, but all the discussions, the fodder for content creators, the new members on sites like DM... even if you were only united in your hatred of the show.

 

I think the difference between people such as Samt (sorry to pick on you) who may disagree with me on nearly everything but clearly is invested in the books and this community, and these anti-woke crusaders who gatekeep the books while often showing really poor understanding of the books is very clear.

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I would say some people not many.

 

The overall lean of the site especially post first season has been decidedly pro show. I have been repeatedly told that since I don't like the show maybe I should not be contributing that view or questioning why I am watching and contributing.

 

If the show has brought people to the site or to the books then I am happy, do I think that the show has been a good advertisement for the books then the answer is no.

 

Lets not forget that it was the pro show side that came up with the label of Book Cloak. I have been accused of being homophobic because I said that prioritising Siuan and Moiraines relationship over there drive to find and support the Dragon was a poor story choice. This despite me also saying that I did not think it was an impossibility for them to be in an active relationship.

 

I have been surprised by a few peoples interpretations of the books, for example Rafes thoughts that Aviendha and Elayne had a sexual relationship with each other, something that IMO there is no support for in the books.

[Guire]

I have found some interesting interpretations from watching YouTube channels that were very supportive of show. I think they are very valid if different than mine.  Being in what was the original demographic for this era of fantasy and having a background somewhat similar to Jordan I didn't really have issues with book that many modern readers highlight.  So show adaptation felt like it was highlighting pretty unimportant aspects.  I think adapting New Spring may have been a better place to start for Rafea adaptation.

[WoTwasThat]

  On 6/2/2025 at 2:39 AM, expat said:

Sad.  Several years of detailed discussion and nothing caused you to rethink your understanding of anything in the books.  I am not so presumptuous to believe that nobody has anything to teach me and that my original interpretation was gospel.  Sounds like you already had you mind made up and you weren't here to engage with the other posters but only to lecture to the other readers.

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Your judgment of people who disagree with you seems awfully… presumptuous. You asked a question, didn’t get the answer you wanted, and now you’re judging others for not agreeing with you lol. 

[Kaleb]

Easily yes, the show itself has given me new and interesting ways of looking at the books. And that's what a deeper understanding is, whether it's a holy book or pulp fiction. I'll write more here later, but the clarity on Ishamael's motivation to destroy the wheel as voiced by Dana the Darkfriend bartender in S1 is a great example of how the show brought some of the themes forward effectively.

 

The explosion in interest and reaction and discussion and analysis can be frustrating, but so much of it has been an absolute delight. The non-reader reaction threads on places like r/wotshow were so much fun, seeing what they get right and more interestingly what they get wrong. I'm grateful to Rafe for that part too.

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[HeronMarkedBlade]

  On 6/2/2025 at 2:39 AM, expat said:

Sad.  Several years of detailed discussion and nothing caused you to rethink your understanding of anything in the books.  I am not so presumptuous to believe that nobody has anything to teach me and that my original interpretation was gospel.  Sounds like you already had you mind made up and you weren't here to engage with the other posters but only to lecture to the other readers.

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How could a poor imitation that actively butchers the lore of the books possibly teach anyone anything about the source material?

 

My interpretation isn’t gospel, the source material is. I haven’t seen a single part of the story that the writers illuminated or expanded on. They actively changed characters in ways that added absolutely nothing to the story. Perrin and Femicide. Mat being trash with a trash family. Rand and Egwene having a sexual relationship. Basically cutting Thom down to a cameo. Pairing everyone off in relationships that made no sense beyond pleasing the weird internet shipping culture. I mean Rand sleeping with a forsaken? Really?

 

They killed Loial. 
 

please, tell me anything Rafe made better? 
 

  On 6/2/2025 at 8:29 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

The sad fact is that many people here have not been discussing the show or the books but have been simply on a crusade against certain politics. No matter what people think regarding the quality of the show I cannot understand people that don't appreciate the extra content regarding the story,  and I don't mean the show itself, but all the discussions, the fodder for content creators, the new members on sites like DM... even if you were only united in your hatred of the show.

 

I think the difference between people such as Samt (sorry to pick on you) who may disagree with me on nearly everything but clearly is invested in the books and this community, and these anti-woke crusaders who gatekeep the books while often showing really poor understanding of the books is very clear.

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this is more complete nonsense. Being against changing characters sexuality to create “hotter tv” isn’t bigoted or anti-woke. Being against them ignoring that souls are attached to sex, which is a major theme of the books, is not anti-woke. If it is, then apparently my gay sister who organizes pride events and runs support programs for LGBT teens must also be an anti-woke right wing bigot for also having major issues with these things. None of the changes are for the better, gay or straight. Mat and Min and Rand and Lanfear is just as wrong as Elayne and Avienda. At least Moiraine and Suian have actual history in the books, but it’s clear they were also changing where those characters were going to end up in the end. It’s not about hating any sexuality, it’s about changes to characters that can only snowball further and further into a work that’s unrecognizable to fans who waited over 30 years to faithful adaptation of their favourite work, only to basically be slapped in the face. 
 

Pretending we have a poor understanding of the books sure is a take. I’d say us actually understanding the books and its major themes is why we dislike the show so much. 
 

It’s funny, because I’ve met RJ multiple times before his death, and listened to him talk multiple times at readings and Q&A’s talk about the books at their core being an exploration of the two sexes and how their differences create a whole that compliments each other and allows them to create greater works together than separately, and how the Forsaken couldn’t win because their selfishness prevented the halves from becoming whole. And how Rand couldn’t possibly win if he didn’t accept that he needed the women in his life to make him whole.
 

Some of you would have thought Jordan was pretty anti-woke. Balthamel was literally punished by being put in a body that could never match his soul. Saudin and Saidar make very clear what his beliefs were. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 6/3/2025 at 1:52 AM, HeronMarkedBlade said:

How could a poor imitation that actively butchers the lore of the books possibly teach anyone anything about the source material?

 

My interpretation isn’t gospel, the source material is. I haven’t seen a single part of the story that the writers illuminated or expanded on. They actively changed characters in ways that added absolutely nothing to the story. Perrin and Femicide. Mat being trash with a trash family. Rand and Egwene having a sexual relationship. Basically cutting Thom down to a cameo. Pairing everyone off in relationships that made no sense beyond pleasing the weird internet shipping culture. I mean Rand sleeping with a forsaken? Really?

 

They killed Loial. 
 

please, tell me anything Rafe made better? 
 

this is more complete nonsense. Being against changing characters sexuality to create “hotter tv” isn’t bigoted or anti-woke. Being against them ignoring that souls are attached to sex, which is a major theme of the books, is not anti-woke. If it is, then apparently my gay sister who organizes pride events and runs support programs for LGBT teens must also be an anti-woke right wing bigot for also having major issues with these things. None of the changes are for the better, gay or straight. Mat and Min and Rand and Lanfear is just as wrong as Elayne and Avienda. At least Moiraine and Suian have actual history in the books, but it’s clear they were also changing where those characters were going to end up in the end. It’s not about hating any sexuality, it’s about changes to characters that can only snowball further and further into a work that’s unrecognizable to fans who waited over 30 years to faithful adaptation of their favourite work, only to basically be slapped in the face. 
 

Pretending we have a poor understanding of the books sure is a take. I’d say us actually understanding the books and its major themes is why we dislike the show so much. 
 

It’s funny, because I’ve met RJ multiple times before his death, and listened to him talk multiple times at readings and Q&A’s talk about the books at their core being an exploration of the two sexes and how their differences create a whole that compliments each other and allows them to create greater works together than separately, and how the Forsaken couldn’t win because their selfishness prevented the halves from becoming whole. And how Rand couldn’t possibly win if he didn’t accept that he needed the women in his life to make him whole.
 

Some of you would have thought Jordan was pretty anti-woke. Balthamel was literally punished by being put in a body that could never match his soul. Saudin and Saidar make very clear what his beliefs were. 

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You mean you personally and subjectively didn't like the show? You also didn't like the discussions it spawned and the greater community involvement across the whole WoT community obviously as your opinion is the only true opinion, and clearly you have every right to speak on behalf of every true fan and Robert Jordan himself.

 

If you don't want to discuss things, go away. That is what these boards are for. Not preaching your poorly formulated personal opinion as gospel.

[Yamezt]

I’m not sure I have any particularly valuable insights. After finishing AMoL, I don’t think I’ve re-read the series again - or maybe only once (so it has been a long time though I surprise myself by what I remember). But before that, I re-read the books multiple times, starting back when the series had only reached LoC.

 

In many ways, the books ended for me in KoD. While the last 3 books were an ok read for me, I never quite connected with them in the same way (nothing against BS - I enjoy his series that he writes).

 

 

• Season 1 reminded me that, despite thinking that the last 3 books were weaker, EoTW was still my least favourite. In fact, I wouldn't have read WoT if I had only bought book 1 when I was 14. I foolishly bought 6 books in one go thinking it would last me a long time. The outrage of wasting my money (and it was a lot of money for a 14 year old) pushed me to slog through book1 and into book 2. Fortunately, I started to enjoy the series around then. 

 

• Harem storyline: It is funny, I largely forgot Rand had a harem romance. The proliferation of Harem and Reverse Harem storylines in novels/light novels/webnovels (across English, Mandarin and Korean ones that I read or Japanese Animation i watch) are such that I now drop those books without question. Amongst the lightnovel/webnovels there is quite a clear divide between readers who are willing/love to read harem and those who absolutely unwilling to even entertain such a series even with a minor side plot of harem (which I fall into the latter). It was actually a strange relization for me that even with a series I once loved and re-read so many times, this trope (even reasonably minor in the grand scheme of the story) remains a deal breaker. I am glad they went with the polyarmory storyline - I wouldn't debate whether it was the right thing to do or not for series - this is simply discovery that the trope is an absolute deal breaker for me.

 

• A big part of the charm of the books for me in my teen was the gender dynamics. Those exaggerated, often comedic misunderstandings between men and women. All the “wool-headed men” and “light help me, women are impossible” moments that peppered the series were reflective of how my parents’ generation spoke and thought. I initially thought I missed it. But as the series went on and I imagine how that played on screen, I am glad they tone that down signicantly (probably largely absent). Firstly, I don't think it can translate to screen (or dialogue) rather than in the character's headspace. Secondly, it is quite dated - I don't know if that comedic element would translate to the generation after mine (my nephews' generation). It is not how my siblings and I would interact so that may be largely lost on them. It is hard to know.

 

hmm... I guess the only insight in all this that the show has shown me is maybe I have outgrown WoT. I remember it being a big part of me - but I still feel a great love for it - which is an odd feeling.

[Mailman]

  On 6/3/2025 at 11:13 PM, Yamezt said:

I’m not sure I have any particularly valuable insights. After finishing AMoL, I don’t think I’ve re-read the series again - or maybe only once (so it has been a long time though I surprise myself by what I remember). But before that, I re-read the books multiple times, starting back when the series had only reached LoC.

 

In many ways, the books ended for me in KoD. While the last 3 books were an ok read for me, I never quite connected with them in the same way (nothing against BS - I enjoy his series that he writes).

 

 

• Season 1 reminded me that, despite thinking that the last 3 books were weaker, EoTW was still my least favourite. In fact, I wouldn't have read WoT if I had only bought book 1 when I was 14. I foolishly bought 6 books in one go thinking it would last me a long time. The outrage of wasting my money (and it was a lot of money for a 14 year old) pushed me to slog through book1 and into book 2. Fortunately, I started to enjoy the series around then. 

 

• Harem storyline: It is funny, I largely forgot Rand had a harem romance. The proliferation of Harem and Reverse Harem storylines in novels/light novels/webnovels (across English, Mandarin and Korean ones that I read or Japanese Animation i watch) are such that I now drop those books without question. Amongst the lightnovel/webnovels there is quite a clear divide between readers who are willing/love to read harem and those who absolutely unwilling to even entertain such a series even with a minor side plot of harem (which I fall into the latter). It was actually a strange relization for me that even with a series I once loved and re-read so many times, this trope (even reasonably minor in the grand scheme of the story) remains a deal breaker. I am glad they went with the polyarmory storyline - I wouldn't debate whether it was the right thing to do or not for series - this is simply discovery that the trope is an absolute deal breaker for me.

 

• A big part of the charm of the books for me in my teen was the gender dynamics. Those exaggerated, often comedic misunderstandings between men and women. All the “wool-headed men” and “light help me, women are impossible” moments that peppered the series were reflective of how my parents’ generation spoke and thought. I initially thought I missed it. But as the series went on and I imagine how that played on screen, I am glad they tone that down signicantly (probably largely absent). Firstly, I don't think it can translate to screen (or dialogue) rather than in the character's headspace. Secondly, it is quite dated - I don't know if that comedic element would translate to the generation after mine (my nephews' generation). It is not how my siblings and I would interact so that may be largely lost on them. It is hard to know.

 

hmm... I guess the only insight in all this that the show has shown me is maybe I have outgrown WoT. I remember it being a big part of me - but I still feel a great love for it - which is an odd feeling.

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The Harem storyline is such a minor part of the books. Rand only sleeps with Elayne and Aviendha from memory one time and two times respectively, Min is the only he sleeps with on a regular basis.

 

Personally I think that the idea that a couple is the best relationship dynamic for every person on Earth is shortsighted and has to a large extent been forced upon us as traditional by religions that are far too interested in our sexual activities. As long as the relationship is safe, sane and consensual I don't really see why any number can't make up a healthy relationship.

 

I was okay with the show giving a more physical relationship between any of the Avi, Min or Elayne, but for Avi and Elayne it would require some changes especially in regards to the rebirthing ceremony.

[Raal Gurniss]

  On 6/2/2025 at 2:39 AM, expat said:

Sad.  Several years of detailed discussion and nothing caused you to rethink your understanding of anything in the books.  I am not so presumptuous to believe that nobody has anything to teach me and that my original interpretation was gospel.  Sounds like you already had you mind made up and you weren't here to engage with the other posters but only to lecture to the other readers.

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Many people just didn't like the version that the show portrayed and considered it at the least a great disappointment, some felt it a betrayal, others that it was overly exploited by the woke movement to push agenda...

 

You asked a question, they are giving you their answer, perhaps you should rephrase the question.

 

No insights about the story were gained that I didn't get from the books, I found that the show was rather lacklustre and lacking depth, but then how can a show go into greater detail than the tomes of the books combined with someone's imagination? 
 

Especially when that show ended a few books into the story.

[Raal Gurniss]

  On 6/3/2025 at 5:00 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

You mean you personally and subjectively didn't like the show? You also didn't like the discussions it spawned and the greater community involvement across the whole WoT community obviously as your opinion is the only true opinion, and clearly you have every right to speak on behalf of every true fan and Robert Jordan himself.

 

If you don't want to discuss things, go away. That is what these boards are for. Not preaching your poorly formulated personal opinion as gospel.

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Debate with multiple opinions and views  is surely preferable to just hearing what you want to hear, isn't that what forums are supposed to be? 
 

People tire of echo chambers very quickly.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 6/4/2025 at 8:10 AM, Raal Gurniss said:

 

 

Debate with multiple opinions and views  is surely preferable to just hearing what you want to hear, isn't that what forums are supposed to be? 
 

People tire of echo chambers very quickly.

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A debate does not consist of shouting your opinion loudly over the top of others. Nor is it arguing your subjective opinion is objective fact. To debate, to argue means to be willing to change your position on your opponents arguments. If there is nothing that could possibly ever change your mind you are talking about a shouting match, not a discussion. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

This thread is clearly talking about not about the show but about the discussions and interest around it. And that includes negative criticism.

 

But this is exactly the point I am making. Look at these people who have not bothered to correctly read the OP or the responses to it but see this as another opportunity to be negative about the show. It is telling that even when talking about all the content created around the show, all the discussions with people who enjoyed the show, those that thought it was flawed and those that hated it, we can see many people here who are so set in their opinions that they learned nothing from all of this, they are not even willing to discuss and learn from those that they agree with, it is a blanket the books are good and cannot be questioned and the show is bad.

 

As expat points out, we are talking about years of discussion, years of reading other people's perspectives. And yet to some this is purely about campaigning against a certain type of politics they don't like. 

[Raal Gurniss]

  On 6/4/2025 at 8:17 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

A debate does not consist of shouting your opinion loudly over the top of others. Nor is it arguing your subjective opinion is objective fact. To debate, to argue means to be willing to change your position on your opponents arguments. If there is nothing that could possibly ever change your mind you are talking about a shouting match, not a discussion. 

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Its written words..They all have the same volume even if written in capitals and are asked to be considered as shouting.

 

I don't recognise your argument as being valid in that regard, I see no point arguing the case further on my part, not my intent to antagonise any further than making my point and view known.

[Raal Gurniss]

  On 6/4/2025 at 8:18 AM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

This thread is clearly talking about not about the show but about the discussions and interest around it. And that includes negative criticism.

 

But this is exactly the point I am making. Look at these people who have not bothered to correctly read the OP or the responses to it but see this as another opportunity to be negative about the show. It is telling that even when talking about all the content created around the show, all the discussions with people who enjoyed the show, those that thought it was flawed and those that hated it, we can see many people here who are so set in their opinions that they learned nothing from all of this, they are not even willing to discuss and learn from those that they agree with, it is a blanket the books are good and cannot be questioned and the show is bad.

 

As expat points out, we are talking about years of discussion, years of reading other people's perspectives. And yet to some this is purely about campaigning against a certain type of politics they don't like. 

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The politics were put into it, many people felt the politics swamped and overwhelmed the story and became what the show was about.

 

It was the trend to use popular fiction as a vehicle for agenda purposes.

 

Hollywood, Disney, Amazon and many others did this.

 

Some people like it and some people don't.

 

It is what it is, I mean I have no intention of fighting that battle, but I can acknowledge that it exists.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

  On 6/4/2025 at 3:05 PM, Raal Gurniss said:

The politics were put into it, many people felt the politics swamped and overwhelmed the story and became what the show was about.

 

It was the trend to use popular fiction as a vehicle for agenda purposes.

 

Hollywood, Disney, Amazon and many others did this.

 

Some people like it and some people don't.

 

It is what it is, I mean I have no intention of fighting that battle, but I can acknowledge that it exists.

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I am not pretending that media has not hamfistedly been used to bludgeon all sorts of messages.

 

My point is merely that what I feel should be under discussion is the details of the show and not any supposed agenda, not least as this is not a political forum, but I think we should also be able to agree that  the moral of the story (like Prince Adam telling us kids why He-man was beating up the bad guys each week) doesn't dictate the quality of the show. 

 

Like, in a fairly bizarre example, in the King and I, what the governess teaches the children (about freedom in the film (i.e., US values) but discipline (i.e., British Empire values) in the book) is not what makes the film a classic or not, or be the sole judge of whether someone enjoyed it.

[notpropaganda73]

  On 6/1/2025 at 5:41 AM, expat said:

Since the show has been cancelled, this forum will inevitably shrink and go dormant.  Before that happens, I would like to thank everyone who posted because the series, the discussion here. and thinking about the discussion has given me a deeper insight into my feelings of the books (both positively and negatively).  I've read the series 3 times, but it was mostly superficially as an interesting fantasy, adventure series without delving too deeply into the specifics of the books.  The series and the discussion raised many interesting questions that caused me to think much deeper than before.  

 

Did anyone else experience the series the same way?  What insights (both good and bad) did you gain from watching and discussing the series?

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The series made me think a lot about the source material actually, more than I had in years. I am planning a re-read when winter comes and the weather turns. 

I remember a really good discussion with another poster about Veins of Gold, prompted by Tam’s explanation of the Wheel in episode 1. I was quite excited by that explanation and how it could pull Rand back for Veins of Gold, whereas the other poster felt it might simplify that later scene if they just rely on Rand’s relationship with Tam. I appreciated it and it gave me a new perspective on VoG.

 

I also came to appreciate other characters like Perrin a bit deeper - it may seem silly to some but I never really thought too deeply about his Wolfbrother “violence” as a contrast to the Tuatha’an. I always felt his inner conflict was the axe - what he had to do in his new life as ta’veren and leader, versus the hammer - the simpler life he yearned for before Winternight. Violence was a part of this struggle of course but I never thought too much about the Tinkers as a contrast until the show came out and discussing it here. 
 

I also enjoyed thinking about the adaptation choices, and it was cool to see what people felt was absolutely core to the story against my own thoughts on it. 
 

[Bodewhin]

I like to think so. I actually had only just started the WOT books when the series first aired (If memory serves, I think I was finishing The Dragon Reborn). I knew of the books, but they were on a 'to read' list that I took a long time to get around to. So, I was pretty open minded to begin with..

 

Post series:

I definitely have a deeper appreciation for Saidin and Saidar and the way channeling works in the books. I find it pretty interesting. 

 

Also, the world building and cultures and how the various peoples/nations were dealt with etc. 

 

I also was able to look deeper at the characters, their personalities, their arcs, how it all went together in RJ's story vs how things were depicted and unfolded in the series. 

 

It made me think long and hard about the themes in the books - what made me ultimately prefer the books to the series - what made the books more 'my style' when it comes to fantasy storytelling. 

 

I think those are pretty positive takeaways. 

 

 

[Raal Gurniss]

  On 6/4/2025 at 3:34 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I am not pretending that media has not hamfistedly been used to bludgeon all sorts of messages.

 

My point is merely that what I feel should be under discussion is the details of the show and not any supposed agenda, not least as this is not a political forum, but I think we should also be able to agree that  the moral of the story (like Prince Adam telling us kids why He-man was beating up the bad guys each week) doesn't dictate the quality of the show. 

 

Like, in a fairly bizarre example, in the King and I, what the governess teaches the children (about freedom in the film (i.e., US values) but discipline (i.e., British Empire values) in the book) is not what makes the film a classic or not, or be the sole judge of whether someone enjoyed it.

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Yes, but there it is....One is a classic that has lasted decades the other is a semi controversial series that finished midrun.

 

Both contained things espousing certain values over others yet one balanced things out to become a generational classic that will likely manage a century whilst the other was imbalanced and will be largely forgotten in a year or two.

 

 

He-Man is another example, the early 80s version is considered classic despite its blatant inserted lecturing message of the day moral lesson, the 2020s later revival with over inserted woke agenda largely that tried a similar thing, which pretty much ended the branding.

 

Doctor Who is the same....

 

There is a balance and if you put too much of something in it,  you put enough people off that it can't sustain itself and it will wither and die.

 

That is what happened here, frankly much of this could have been avoided by creating a new show rather than relying on WoT branding, I don't understand the thinking of paying hundreds of millions to use an IP only to then change it so much.

 

Much of the decision making that must have gone on makes no sense, the level of hubris must have been huge.

 

The show renewals before audience reception for instance.

 

Things just don't make sense, its not like the showrunners, directors and producers had any great passion about the books, even exploitation of the brand managed only short term gains as many were off put by the interpretation.

 

The whole thing reeks of boardroom committee wanting too many things put in and taken out.