90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[DPR]

1 minute ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

This is like pulling teeth. So what in that quote, according to you is too much information? Please use words to explicitly state that. 

When you said “randomly picks someone in a night action, no need to lynch.” you described details of a role that nobody knew existed. 
 

We started off thinking the Condemner had to get their target lynched. 
 

Then Turin said he asked Darthe and it was more of a hunter type role. But there were still no details. 
 

Then you pop in at random - nobody asked you about the role at all - and described how it works. 
 

Then Darthe described the same thing. 
 

East as that 
 

 

[Zander?]

2 minutes ago, DPR said:

When you said “randomly picks someone in a night action, no need to lynch.” you described details of a role that nobody knew existed. 
 

We started off thinking the Condemner had to get their target lynched. 
 

Then Turin said he asked Darthe and it was more of a hunter type role. But there were still no details. 
 

Then you pop in at random - nobody asked you about the role at all - and described how it works. 
 

Then Darthe described the same thing. 
 

East as that 
 

 

 

West as that imho 

[DPR]

20 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

I'm gonna say again that I think when I read it, it did say random, cos we talked about it in the thread and I checked and said it had better not be me.

The target was always random lol - as are all roles. As we sit here now, the target may have no idea that they’re a target - who knows. 
 

But when Heavy used that language, and knew it was a night action, he gave details. 
 

Why did he offer the explanation at all? Who knows.

[DPR]

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

 

West as that imho 

lol

 

Easy as that

[DPR]

7 minutes ago, Zander? said:

Omg DPR an ITHI are confusing the F outta me FML lol..

 

 

Dude this doesn't matter and you prolly shouldn't put everything in this post you did...but anyways the ONLY thing I'm concerned with was if it said random in Darthes setup explanation about the role from junk or after Darthe changed it after 

 

 

 

Why doesn’t this matter? What are you talking about I shouldn’t have included? 
 

The idea is simple - Heavy gave details like random target and night action that nobody else knew. The quotes are there 🤷‍♂️

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

1 minute ago, DPR said:

When you said “randomly picks someone in a night action, no need to lynch.” you described details of a role that nobody knew existed. 
 

We started off thinking the Condemner had to get their target lynched. 
 

Then Turin said he asked Darthe and it was more of a hunter type role. But there were still no details. 
 

Then you pop in at random - nobody asked you about the role at all - and described how it works. 
 

Then Darthe described the same thing. 
 

East as that 
 

 

That is absolutely not true. The whole thing was already discussed in the fluffing quotes I gave you at the time. 

 

Plus read what it says - I said the Condemner randomly chooses someone for their night action as they don't know who is which character. I said nothing about how Darthe chose the person as target. But one would assume Rand.org no? 

 

But this is just nonsense. Either you cannot read or you are lying. So let's just get this over with. Put your money where your mouth is. If you've caught me out, hammer me and gloat. I'll even help. 

 

VOTE HEAVY

 

Or let this drop. This did not happen like you are claiming and I'm not putting up with this BS any more. You aren't listening to me, you are misrepping what happened in the thread, you are quoting me and saying it says something different than it does. What am I meant to do? The facts are there for everyone to see and you are just spewing lies for the Light alone knows what reason. Everyone can see you aren't telling the truth. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

Ok so not the Random bit, but the night action bit. I think Turin was the first to expo that and say he had asked the Mod for confirmation of how it worked, because we assume it was the lynch thing from the wiki. And Darthe didn't confirm that in the Thread till the morning of Day 2.

 

[Zander?]

6 minutes ago, DPR said:

Why doesn’t this matter? What are you talking about I shouldn’t have included? 
 

The idea is simple - Heavy gave details like random target and night action that nobody else knew. The quotes are there 🤷‍♂️

 

It's just that he mentioned random target was what I thought you had said...lol.  Buts you saying it didn't say it in Darthes writeup until later and Ithi saying it did that's confusing me lololololol 

[Zander?]

4 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Ok so not the Random bit, but the night action bit. I think Turin was the first to expo that and say he had asked the Mod for confirmation of how it worked, because we assume it was the lynch thing from the wiki. And Darthe didn't confirm that in the Thread till the morning of Day 2.

 

 

And when did Heavy make that post?  Before or after Darthe clarified on Day 2?

[DPR]

4 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Ok so not the Random bit, but the night action bit. I think Turin was the first to expo that and say he had asked the Mod for confirmation of how it worked, because we assume it was the lynch thing from the wiki. And Darthe didn't confirm that in the Thread till the morning of Day 2.

 

All of the info that Heavy gave in his short post - nobody knew that but Darthe and the Condemner. 

[dicetosser1]

Vote heavy

[DPR]

1 minute ago, Zander? said:

 

And when did Heavy make that post?  Before or after Darthe clarified on Day 2?

it’s in the timestamps 

[Zander?]

Heavy if you can't take the way the games played maybe it's not for you?  You keep throwing these AtE hissies at least once per game.  It's not any sort of personal attack.  Multiple people have explained this to you multiple times.  Im stopping myself from just voting you not caring about the timing of this "supposed slip" because of the above but Imma hold off this last time.

[Ithillian Turambar]

On 4/22/2025 at 11:23 PM, Turin Turambar said:

OK.  Hi. I asked Darthe some questions and he gave me answers, finally ( I know you're busy Darthe, I'm just needy)

 

Turn your heads because there be setup/mechanics talk here.

 

The condemner is actually I guess a Hunter. They are looking to kill their target at night. They target a person at night and if that person is their target, that person dies. If not then nothing happens. At least unless they become a SK.

They only know the targets character name so character claiming might be a bad idea.

 

The Hider will not die if they try to hide behind mafia, so that is not a way to try to check alignments. 

 

Those are the two big things that were not clear ( at least to me) from the OP rules and setup information. 

 

I was confused so I asked. The kind mod gave answers. 

 

I think this makes me look a little differently at the people that didn't do very much on D1. Someone's game is mostly staying alive to take pot shots at night.

This is Turins Expo, which was in the Thread before Darthe confirmed it the next day.

 

Turin posted this at 11.23pm my time on 22nd April.

 

Which was before Heavy said about the night action.

 

You have your quotes in the wrong date and time order I think DPR

[Ithillian Turambar]

On 4/23/2025 at 9:02 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

The condemner randomly picks someone as a night action, no need to lynch. 

 Look. This is actually the day after.

[Zander?]

On 4/23/2025 at 5:02 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

The condemner randomly picks someone as a night action, no need to lynch. 

 

 

Would somebody please find the Darthe quote explaining the difference 

 

And @DPR

@Tigraine

@Darthe

@Ithillian Turambar

@Ironeyes

@Nynaeve

@dicetosser1

@keyholder21

 

Did Darthes setup post include all the Condemner information prior to Darthe posting about it ITT?!?!?!?!

 

This is getting way too hard only head.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

I am not making an ate. I'm totally serious. DPR is not telling the truth, or has his timeline messed up or is on LSD, I dunno. But I can 100% tell you this is complete nonsense but despite me pointing this out the debate continues. What am I meant to do? 

 

This is a factual issue. That I have the right of. How can this discussion be going on so long?

[Ithillian Turambar]

On 4/23/2025 at 2:08 AM, Darthe said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So here's the thing.  Sometimes, when you're making up a mafia game on the fly because your ole pals have some weird aversion to cults or whatever, you see a new role.  And sometimes, when reading what that role is on the mafiascum wiki you maybe skim a bit, maybe read the sample role PM down at the bottom and misinterpret the night action from the example where they were also a role cop, normal stuff. 

So then it takes you like, until a bunch of your players point it out, to realize that you built the role to be a serial killer who's kills only go through if they hit the right *character* which you randomly selected pre-game, when it was supposed to be based on a lynch.

Anyhow, not that any of that would ever happen to me, but if it did that'd be real embarrassing and I also wouldn't be able to change it so we'd all have to live with it. 

 

And just so I can put the dates and times. This when when darthe officially confirmed the change he'd made to the role.

[Zander?]

1 minute ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

 Look. This is actually the day after.

 

I don't really care about Turins explanation as it's not relevant to this.

 

It's did Darthes setup post or the very OP post of his include ALL the information about Condemner OR did he update it after he made the clarification to all is ITT.  Turins slot is still alive so only Darthes posts matter.

[Zander?]

On 4/22/2025 at 10:08 PM, Darthe said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So here's the thing.  Sometimes, when you're making up a mafia game on the fly because your ole pals have some weird aversion to cults or whatever, you see a new role.  And sometimes, when reading what that role is on the mafiascum wiki you maybe skim a bit, maybe read the sample role PM down at the bottom and misinterpret the night action from the example where they were also a role cop, normal stuff. 

So then it takes you like, until a bunch of your players point it out, to realize that you built the role to be a serial killer who's kills only go through if they hit the right *character* which you randomly selected pre-game, when it was supposed to be based on a lynch.

Anyhow, not that any of that would ever happen to me, but if it did that'd be real embarrassing and I also wouldn't be able to change it so we'd all have to live with it. 

 

On 4/23/2025 at 5:02 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

The condemner randomly picks someone as a night action, no need to lynch. 

 

 

Darthe clarified before Heavy makes this post wtf have you been going on about DPR?!??!??

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

And I would just like to point out I quoted all this in my original post to DPR. All the info was available to him when he made this ridiculous claim, and yet he still persisted and doubled down when I pointed it out. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Just now, Zander? said:

 

 

 

Darthe clarified before Heavy makes this post wtf have you been going on about DPR?!??!??

So do see where my frustration is coming from? I told him this at the time, I've told him since and I've told him now. 

 

I suppose a plus is Dice seems to have rather outed himself as mafia, lol. Well, possibly. 

[Zander?]

2 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

 

 

Darthe clarified before Heavy makes this post wtf have you been going on about DPR?!??!??

 

VOTE DPR for making my brain HURT FFS

[Ithillian Turambar]

So using all BST times as a basis

 

Turin provides Darth Expo on 22 April 11.23p.

 

Darthe confirms the Expo information on 23 April 2.08am

 

Heavy says the condemner is a night action on 23 April at 9.02pm

 

So while I don't think Heavy is Town, those timestamps and quotes are not showing it.

 

Unless you have one from before Turin's Expo

 

[Zander?]

Just now, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

So do see where my frustration is coming from? I told him this at the time, I've told him since and I've told him now. 

 

I suppose a plus is Dice seems to have rather outed himself as mafia, lol. Well, possibly. 

 

Yes sorry irt you.

 

No not necessarily IRT to Dice because the whole fing thread including myself was completely confused FFS lol 

 

 

Sorry tho Heavy I apologize shouldn't have listened to a drink Pirate...lol