90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Tigraine]

Sorry, I've tried to fake some time to recalibrate. I have been wrong every step of the way.  The only true use we've gotten out of a role was Rand knowing Ed was scum and going after him for it.  I sussed Rand harder than I have anyone.  Ed was my slight town read because of how inactive he was and my recollection that he was always more active as scum cause he liked it better.  Heavy turned out to be town.  I was feeling townish about Zander though, so maybe there is that.

 

@Ithillian Turambar I voted Turin/Marsh even though I had been sussing Heavy because, as I've said, I found a slip.  I am as of yet still unable to move past that but I'm not going to beat a dead horse.  I went back to my sus on Heavy because I had been there for awhile and got distracted/sidetracked with Marsh.  I didn't hammer Heavy immediately because I had not seen his "I'm done" post so I was waiting to see if he was going to claim.  It's why I made sure I was back by deadline.

 

@DPR I'd straight up rather be stabbed than to have a toothache.  Sorry man.

 

You've been throwing sus around and even if you turn out to be scum, I do believe it has been helpful for town.  I still question why you would be cause so much chaos and distraction and claim it was to draw a NK.  I haven't played in ages and even when I did, you've got a ton of experience over mine and one of the very first things I learned was that causing chaos would save you from NK because it's the perfect environment for scum to operate.  So that's a big reason I'm still sus on you.  However, there is no reason for the Hider not to counterclaim so I have to believe it of you.  

 

@Nynaeve I'm sorry to hear stuff with your dad hasn't gotten better.  I'm sending good vibes your way.

 

Game related: you've been riding this "town vibe train" everyone has put you on with no real sus thrown your way.  Ithi or Marsh said you seemed town early on but stuff got busy for you so no one has been reading much thought into it.  But it's getting late in the game and I'm not the only one that has been completely wrong so I think everyone needs to reexamine their reasons for all their feels here.

 

@dicetosser1 some say that Verb is hinting around at being cop but i haven't really seen it.  Could also be because I've been staying up to date with happenings whilst on the go so it's possible I've just not seen it.  As it stands, no one else has claimed (not saying they should) so I can't really doubt your claim.

 

@Ironeyes I'm still sus af about what i think was a slip but since no one wanted to join me in questioning it, and because the slip wasn't yours only that of your role, I've had no choice but to put it on the back burner.  I may be biased but I honestly feel like your sus of me comes from me sussing your role.  I'm obviously reading it wrong because your most recent explanation of why you find me sus read to me like you were saying me not hammering wasn't sus so idk how I'm so mixed up on that.   Aside from that, I feel like you might be piggy backing off of everyone else's reasons.

 

Okay, I'm starting a second post cause this one.got too long 

[Verbal32]

16 hours ago, DPR said:

lol you waiting 10 hours to post this

 

Yep, I had a stopwatch out and everything!

 

 

 

15 hours ago, DPR said:

But okay, since your town reads have been perfect so far - please tell us who is town and who is not. And make sure to include reasons. 

 

The tinfoil on my town!Nyn read is getting worse.  And I'm feeling less sure about Key as well.  WTL everybody not named DPR or Dice at this point.

 

 

 

8 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

I think Verbal might be the 3rd party, because he was trying to draw the Mafia kill last night. But he might have been pretending to be the 3rd party so he wouldnt be killed. 

 

wat

 

In what way was I trying to draw a kill or pretend something.  You talking about the "scum please shoot me" post?  You actually think that was a gameplay move?  Heh, no.  That's a Mr. Fantastic level reach there.

 

Anybody even remotely town-ish could be 3p.

 

 

 

5 hours ago, DPR said:

Verb has been soft-claiming Cop all game and I didn’t include a “lol” at the end of my last post. I figure we’ve got a decent chance he’s gonna cc you today. 

 

I have?  Damn, that's news to me.

 

With how amazingly scummy you've been all game, it's a literal miracle that you haven't been cc'd yet.  My god.

[Ithillian Turambar]

6 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

Ithi hammered this. 

I did.

 

Was that not the last vote count that I found. Let me go check.

[Verbal32]

WTL one of the ladies today.

 

Vote: Tig

[Ithillian Turambar]

On 4/28/2025 at 11:26 PM, Darthe said:

Final Vote Count

Heavy - (6/6) Dice, Nyn, Zander, Marsh, DPR, Ithi

Key - (1/6) Heavy

Not Voting
Verb, Key, Tig

That’s a lynch!

Feck it. I went back to far.

[Ironeyes]

3 minutes ago, Tigraine said:

I may be biased but I honestly feel like your sus of me comes from me sussing your role.  I'm obviously reading it wrong because your most recent explanation of why you find me sus read to me like you were saying me not hammering wasn't sus so idk how I'm so mixed up on that.   Aside from that, I feel like you might be piggy backing off of everyone else's reasons.

Not the sus itself, but the reasoning behind it. You found a piece of language that had multiple potential explanations (i.e. Turin is obsessed with role interactions, Turin made an assumption, or Turin knew something that wasn't public knowledge) and instead of applying logic to figure out which was most likely, you latched onto the one that made him/me scum. What that says to me is that you needed a way to participate in game solving and took the first available option. That's why I think it's a scum tell. 

 

TBH I think your lack of hammering is 80% likely to be a result of just not looking at the vote count carefully and therefore not realizing Heavy was one vote away from death. So I can't read anything into it.

[Ithillian Turambar]

3 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

Anybody even remotely town-ish could be 3p

That's an improvement for me. At least I'm not calling everyone Mafia anymore lol

[Verbal32]

1 minute ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

That's an improvement for me. At least I'm not calling everyone Mafia anymore lol

 

Baby steps!

[Verbal32]

2 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

Not the sus itself, but the reasoning behind it. You found a piece of language that had multiple potential explanations (i.e. Turin is obsessed with role interactions, Turin made an assumption, or Turin knew something that wasn't public knowledge) and instead of applying logic to figure out which was most likely, you latched onto the one that made him/me scum. What that says to me is that you needed a way to participate in game solving and took the first available option. That's why I think it's a scum tell. 

 

TBH I think your lack of hammering is 80% likely to be a result of just not looking at the vote count carefully and therefore not realizing Heavy was one vote away from death. So I can't read anything into it.

 

This is a fantastic point.

[Nynaeve]

7 minutes ago, Tigraine said:

Sorry, I've tried to fake some time to recalibrate. I have been wrong every step of the way.  The only true use we've gotten out of a role was Rand knowing Ed was scum and going after him for it.  I sussed Rand harder than I have anyone.  Ed was my slight town read because of how inactive he was and my recollection that he was always more active as scum cause he liked it better.  Heavy turned out to be town.  I was feeling townish about Zander though, so maybe there is that.

 

@Ithillian Turambar I voted Turin/Marsh even though I had been sussing Heavy because, as I've said, I found a slip.  I am as of yet still unable to move past that but I'm not going to beat a dead horse.  I went back to my sus on Heavy because I had been there for awhile and got distracted/sidetracked with Marsh.  I didn't hammer Heavy immediately because I had not seen his "I'm done" post so I was waiting to see if he was going to claim.  It's why I made sure I was back by deadline.

 

@DPR I'd straight up rather be stabbed than to have a toothache.  Sorry man.

 

You've been throwing sus around and even if you turn out to be scum, I do believe it has been helpful for town.  I still question why you would be cause so much chaos and distraction and claim it was to draw a NK.  I haven't played in ages and even when I did, you've got a ton of experience over mine and one of the very first things I learned was that causing chaos would save you from NK because it's the perfect environment for scum to operate.  So that's a big reason I'm still sus on you.  However, there is no reason for the Hider not to counterclaim so I have to believe it of you.  

 

@Nynaeve I'm sorry to hear stuff with your dad hasn't gotten better.  I'm sending good vibes your way.

 

Game related: you've been riding this "town vibe train" everyone has put you on with no real sus thrown your way.  Ithi or Marsh said you seemed town early on but stuff got busy for you so no one has been reading much thought into it.  But it's getting late in the game and I'm not the only one that has been completely wrong so I think everyone needs to reexamine their reasons for all their feels here.

 

@dicetosser1 some say that Verb is hinting around at being cop but i haven't really seen it.  Could also be because I've been staying up to date with happenings whilst on the go so it's possible I've just not seen it.  As it stands, no one else has claimed (not saying they should) so I can't really doubt your claim.

 

@Ironeyes I'm still sus af about what i think was a slip but since no one wanted to join me in questioning it, and because the slip wasn't yours only that of your role, I've had no choice but to put it on the back burner.  I may be biased but I honestly feel like your sus of me comes from me sussing your role.  I'm obviously reading it wrong because your most recent explanation of why you find me sus read to me like you were saying me not hammering wasn't sus so idk how I'm so mixed up on that.   Aside from that, I feel like you might be piggy backing off of everyone else's reasons.

 

Okay, I'm starting a second post cause this one.got too long 

 

Anyone who wants to re-examine their read on me is more than welcomed to. My RL stuff should not affect anything as it's not AI.

 

I don't think you specifically really had me as a top tier town read at any point since the game started, tho.

 

So you're talking more about how others have viewed and percieved me vs you actually thinking I'm scum. Or so it comes across to me from your post. Ie it sounds like you realize you won't get actual traction if you push me.... but hey, dice did try to start a cfd on me while I was sleeping so... there's hope still lol

[Tigraine]

@keyholder21 I cannot read you.  I feel like every time you post and engage it leaves something to be desired.  I get that life is in the way, believe me, I just don't like that on D4 you're still kinda null.  It makes me think that it'd be really easy to hide in that type of setup of yourself so I'm trying to read back through your interactions to see what, if anything, stands out.  I do know that there was a thing or two that you sussed me on based on someone else's sus of what I said and you done so without context so it feels like you're going through the motions.  Oh, I broke my foot trying to DM and walk...stepped on a piece of giant chalk and that's all she wrote for me.

 

@Verbal32 you are a bit of a conundrum for me.  I feel like you're putting in real problem-solving effort but kinda like you're holding back.  You've been pretty sure that the mislynches were mislynches before they resulted in lynches so I feel like you're seeing something I'm not.  Maybe that's because you are the cop and didn't want to claim nor say definitely that so and so wasn't scum. But the big thing that has me stumped is why they haven't NK'D you.  You've not caused tons of chaos or distraction so keeping you around doesn't seem like a smart plan for scum.  So that leaves me very wary of you.

 

Rn, gth, I'd go for Key because I feel like if she is town then the information we'd get from her death would be more beneficial...especially due to your presence on the Marsh mislynch and lack of availability to the game.

[Nynaeve]

10 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

I did.

 

Was that not the last vote count that I found. Let me go check.

 

Must have missed it. Sorry

[Ithillian Turambar]

2 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

Must have missed it. Sorry

No lol. I thought you'd just requoted the VC I posted and that I'd used the wrong one

[Nynaeve]

12 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Yep, I had a stopwatch out and everything!

 

 

 

 

The tinfoil on my town!Nyn read is getting worse.  And I'm feeling less sure about Key as well.  WTL everybody not named DPR or Dice at this point.

 

 

 

 

wat

 

In what way was I trying to draw a kill or pretend something.  You talking about the "scum please shoot me" post?  You actually think that was a gameplay move?  Heh, no.  That's a Mr. Fantastic level reach there.

 

Anybody even remotely town-ish could be 3p.

 

 

 

 

I have?  Damn, that's news to me.

 

With how amazingly scummy you've been all game, it's a literal miracle that you haven't been cc'd yet.  My god.

 

Key was constantly my deep wolf suss if it comes to it. So we agree on that. I would be worried if you didn't tinfoil on me, honestly, so that's a good look in my book but fwiw I really did just rand town.

 

Ithi had some up and downs throughout the game but her latest posts really do ring true and I feel pretty good about her. No tinfoil there as it stands.

 

I feel good about dpr, ithi, you and I guess dice. Though deep inside I wish I could off the aussie bastard lol

 

Marsh gives me good vibes but I'm not as comfortable with him as the above.

 

WTL tigs and key

 

 Don't think I missed someone.

[DPR]

14 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Yep, I had a stopwatch out and everything!

 

 

 

 

The tinfoil on my town!Nyn read is getting worse.  And I'm feeling less sure about Key as well.  WTL everybody not named DPR or Dice at this point.

 

 

 

 

wat

 

In what way was I trying to draw a kill or pretend something.  You talking about the "scum please shoot me" post?  You actually think that was a gameplay move?  Heh, no.  That's a Mr. Fantastic level reach there.

 

Anybody even remotely town-ish could be 3p.

 

 

 

 

I have?  Damn, that's news to me.

 

With how amazingly scummy you've been all game, it's a literal miracle that you haven't been cc'd yet.  My god.

 

14 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

WTL one of the ladies today.

 

Vote: Tig

I want to believe Nyn and Ithi, but man you just creep me the f out. 
 

No raisins, just easy talk and a quick vote. No bueno to me

[Tigraine]

12 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

Not the sus itself, but the reasoning behind it. You found a piece of language that had multiple potential explanations (i.e. Turin is obsessed with role interactions, Turin made an assumption, or Turin knew something that wasn't public knowledge) and instead of applying logic to figure out which was most likely, you latched onto the one that made him/me scum. What that says to me is that you needed a way to participate in game solving and took the first available option. That's why I think it's a scum tell. 

 

TBH I think your lack of hammering is 80% likely to be a result of just not looking at the vote count carefully and therefore not realizing Heavy was one vote away from death. So I can't read anything into it.

 

Honestly, it was in the middle of the whole DPR claiming Heavy revealed something that he knew before it was confirmed for us.  Despite my sus on Heavy, I wasn't seeing how what he said was any indication of anything we didn't know.  It was literally based on the placement of the word "random."  I went down that rabbit hole and that's when I found something that Turin said that wasn't ever confirmed, even to this point, so at first I thought it meant he was the 3p but then I think Nyn pointed out the part of Turin saying we shouldn't reveal character names and that made no sense if he was 3p.  So I felt he had to have another reason for telling us something that definite without a reason. I mean, it is what it is. Nothing could be solved because you took his place without receiving what he had received (the clarification pm) so I had no choice but to sideline it.  Especially since I don't feel you've put in a whole lot of effort to go after anyone or to stand up for anyone so I have no new info to build my POV on.

[Tigraine]

14 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

Anyone who wants to re-examine their read on me is more than welcomed to. My RL stuff should not affect anything as it's not AI.

 

I don't think you specifically really had me as a top tier town read at any point since the game started, tho.

 

So you're talking more about how others have viewed and percieved me vs you actually thinking I'm scum. Or so it comes across to me from your post. Ie it sounds like you realize you won't get actual traction if you push me.... but hey, dice did try to start a cfd on me while I was sleeping so... there's hope still lol

 

Yes in this instance I'm talking about others' feels on you.  Hearing you're definitely town so much put some rose colored glasses on it.   However, I have sussed you some. You've been a scum lean for me.  You've been helpful but as with verbal it seems to be lacking imo.  But with rl and the rose colored glasses, I haven't pursued it further to see what, if anything, can be found.

 

Now this day phase I feel like I can't trust my own gut so I was hoping to get some new perspective on you.

[Tigraine]

Oh my list didn't include my thoughts on Ithi, pretty sure i just responded to her.  Honestly early on I had a scum lean on her. I felt like she was purposely being obtuse about things I had said and points I had made.  But, despite her suss on me, I'm more on the town side of the fence with her.  She's put in some solid effort and been actively engaging in trying to problem solve since beginning of Day 3 I think.

[Tigraine]

So I'm gonna go ahead and Vote: Key. for rhe reasons I stated.

[Tigraine]

*the

[Nynaeve]

14 minutes ago, DPR said:

 

I want to believe Nyn and Ithi, but man you just creep me the f out. 
 

No raisins, just easy talk and a quick vote. No bueno to me

 

It's my opinion. 

But I agree the quick vote was a bit surprising.

[Nynaeve]

To be fair I'm pretty good with going tigs' way but I rather not rush it.

[Nynaeve]

I'd really like to hear from key. And I guess dice.

[Ironeyes]

13 minutes ago, Tigraine said:

 

Honestly, it was in the middle of the whole DPR claiming Heavy revealed something that he knew before it was confirmed for us.  Despite my sus on Heavy, I wasn't seeing how what he said was any indication of anything we didn't know.  It was literally based on the placement of the word "random." 

The DPR also looked like scummy behavior to me and if it weren't for Verbal's annoyingly salient point about how it costs the Hider nothing to counterclaim, I'd have him on my WTL list. 

 

13 minutes ago, Tigraine said:

I went down that rabbit hole and that's when I found something that Turin said that wasn't ever confirmed, even to this point, so at first I thought it meant he was the 3p but then I think Nyn pointed out the part of Turin saying we shouldn't reveal character names and that made no sense if he was 3p.  So I felt he had to have another reason for telling us something that definite without a reason. I mean, it is what it is. Nothing could be solved because you took his place without receiving what he had received (the clarification pm) so I had no choice but to sideline it.  Especially since I don't feel you've put in a whole lot of effort to go after anyone or to stand up for anyone so I have no new info to build my POV on.

So the multiple read lists a day don't give you something to go off of? Or my openly evolving stance on Ithi? Or my insistence that Verbal is town despite other players disagreeing?

[Ironeyes]

1 minute ago, Nynaeve said:

To be fair I'm pretty good with going tigs' way but I rather not rush it.

Rushing into the obvious lynch didn't go so hot for us on D3, so it's fair. I'm happy to see Tig voting Key for that reason, because I think that puts the votes at 2:1. Unless there's a third Tig vote I forgot about? I'll have to look back for the most recent VC.