90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Darthe]

Official Vote Count

 

Heavy - 1/6 (Dice)

DPR - 1/6 (Heavy)

Not Voting
Ithi, Marsh2, Nyn, DPR, Verb, Zander, Key, Tig

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Countodwn to EOD

Edited April 26 by Darthe

[Nynaeve]

13 hours ago, DPR said:

Darthe at work while trying to mod…

Great movie

[Nynaeve]

13 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

Heavys been getting the most suss seemingly....he had Nyn Town Wolf Town again she woulda made more sense I'd think 

 

He's upset with me lol

I'm not deserving of his attentions

[Nynaeve]

13 hours ago, Ironeyes said:

Well that explains how he knew Ed was fake claiming. Still, props to him for pressuring Ed into making a major mistake. 

 

It wasn't really a huge mystery imo. His conviction at EoD and taking full responsability if he was wrong abou ed's claim made it pretty obvious to anyone paying attention... too bad ed didn't slip up early on. But it is what it is.

[Nynaeve]

13 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

@DPR I went looking but got sick of it so going off memory here

 

iirc ed town read me, nun, key and ithi

 

his muck up with nyn and me at eod eliminates her imo. That leaves ithi and key

 

 

 

Ed had me as a scum lean. Heavy too. And he also had tigs as a town lean iirc

[dicetosser1]

3 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

Ed had me as a scum lean. Heavy too. And he also had tigs as a town lean iirc

yeah I’ve been so corrected by ithi

[Nynaeve]

12 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Well I was trying to point out that Dice's rememberings about Eddie's garbage list were not correct.

 

And I was wondering why he would put out incorrect information.

 

But then I got sidetracked by possible things that Darthe did or did not do.

 

I dont think it's necessarily indicative of much. 

[Nynaeve]

10 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

 

You can put him there all you want, but he's an un-cc'd town role right now.  If he's lying, I'm going to smack the real Hider for not countering.  It's not like the scum team can easily kill the Hider anyway.  It's a free scum player dead with minimal town casualties.

 

Unless I'm misunderstanding the role interactions for Hider?

 

Mindmeld

[Nynaeve]

I need a shower lol

[DPR]

Do we want to ask Darthe for a deadline extension to Monday pm? My schedule is about to be busy through tomorrow night and it looks like others are busy too. 

[Nynaeve]

3 hours ago, Zander? said:

 

@Nynaeve what was this in reference to about the VC?!?!

 

About darthe making mistakes in his VCs

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

2 minutes ago, DPR said:

Do we want to ask Darthe for a deadline extension to Monday pm? My schedule is about to be busy through tomorrow night and it looks like others are busy too. 

I don't need one but certainly not opposed to one either. 

[Ironeyes]

What even happened while I was asleep? I'm gonna need to read all that again to make sense of it. Did DPR try to lynch someone for false reasons again? I'm gonna look back at the post times and make sure but it looks like that's what happened. Dude, I know you're an un-counterclaimed town role but you're acting anti-town so consistently. I hate that. I'm not happy that we can't in good conscience lynch you even though you're consistently damaging our momentum. 

[DPR]

5 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I don't need one but certainly not opposed to one either. 

Seems like Tigs and Key are busy. Verb is always scarce on weekends. I can deal if need be, but I would like to hear a lot more from Tigs and Key. 

[Ironeyes]

10 minutes ago, DPR said:

Do we want to ask Darthe for a deadline extension to Monday pm? My schedule is about to be busy through tomorrow night and it looks like others are busy too. 

I prefer not having deadlines on Sunday in general, so I'd be happy with an extension. Sunday night is family dinner with my parents every week. 

[DPR]

5 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

What even happened while I was asleep? I'm gonna need to read all that again to make sense of it. Did DPR try to lynch someone for false reasons again? I'm gonna look back at the post times and make sure but it looks like that's what happened. Dude, I know you're an un-counterclaimed town role but you're acting anti-town so consistently. I hate that. I'm not happy that we can't in good conscience lynch you even though you're consistently damaging our momentum. 

Blame yourself for your mislynch lol

 

as for Heavy, we’ll see how he flips. If he’s not the Condemner, I’ll have made a mistake. I saw something and put it out there - that’s the game. 
 

You got any reads besides me? 

 

 

[DPR]

6 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

I prefer not having deadlines on Sunday in general, so I'd be happy with an extension. Sunday night is family dinner with my parents every week. 

Yep 👍 

[Ironeyes]

Man this is so much easier from my laptop. 

 

On 4/22/2025 at 6:08 PM, Darthe said:

So here's the thing.  Sometimes, when you're making up a mafia game on the fly because your ole pals have some weird aversion to cults or whatever, you see a new role.  And sometimes, when reading what that role is on the mafiascum wiki you maybe skim a bit, maybe read the sample role PM down at the bottom and misinterpret the night action from the example where they were also a role cop, normal stuff. 

So then it takes you like, until a bunch of your players point it out, to realize that you built the role to be a serial killer who's kills only go through if they hit the right *character* which you randomly selected pre-game, when it was supposed to be based on a lynch.

Anyhow, not that any of that would ever happen to me, but if it did that'd be real embarrassing and I also wouldn't be able to change it so we'd all have to live with it. 

 

On 4/23/2025 at 1:02 PM, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

The condemner randomly picks someone as a night action, no need to lynch. 

 

DPR was dead wrong. Darthe explained the condemner role nearly 24 hours before Heavy's post. However, Heavy seemingly made the assumption that the condemner was choosing his/her target at random. Given that there's no connection between the randomly chosen character and the other mechanics of the game, yeah that's probably what the condemner is doing. But it isn't built into the role, which Heavy's statement could be interpreted as implying. 

[Ironeyes]

5 minutes ago, DPR said:

Blame yourself for your mislynch lol

 

as for Heavy, we’ll see how he flips. If he’s not the Condemner, I’ll have made a mistake. I saw something and put it out there - that’s the game. 
 

You got any reads besides me? 

 

 

I gave my impressions of the whole game just after being subbed in yesterday. You probably didn't read it since it seems you only read every 3rd post this game. Nevertheless, here's a quick list. 

 

Zander - Tone read

Verbal - Here there be WIM and game solving

Dice - Claimed cop and there's been plenty of time for a counterclaim since then. He stays town until I have a good reason to think otherwise.

DPR - Would vote immediately if not for Verbal's unfortunately correct point a few pages back that the real hider, if your claim was fake, would have no reason not to counterclaim. 

Nyn - Kinda coasting off my initial town read, but I haven't seen a reason to downgrade her since then either. 

Ithi - I dislike her reads but she comported herself well during EOD on D2 and helped get rid of a mafia member.

Tigraine - IDK. Orange by default because somebody has to be scum. 

Heavy - Still tone switching a lot, and that self vote was not good. I'm one of those old school people who immediately wants to lynch people who self vote. But I'm also having a hard time imagining this kind of reaction to pressure by anyone with a teammate in a private chat to vent to/get advice from. Although that supposed "slip" definitely didn't happen, I'd still be unsurprised to find out Heavy is the condemner. Playing 3p for the first time would explain a lot. 

Key - Keeps posting long reads lists that don't say all that much. Just feels like she's pretending to hunt and letting the more vocal town members do the heavy lifting. 

[Ironeyes]

On the subject of the condemner though, I'd like to point out that given the choice between lynching a known condemner or a strongly suspected mafia, I'm choosing the mafia.

Darthe said the condemner's target was chosen randomly. 10 players left, 9 not counting the condemner, of which 2 are scum and 7 are town. So the condemner a) could theoretically win alongside town, and b) has a ~22% chance that the character Darthe randomly selected is mafia. Meaning, there's a 22% chance the condemner is a strictly pro-town force unless/until that character gets lynched or night killed, which is still slightly better than the 0% chance of a mafia member being a pro-town force. 

[Ironeyes]

11 hours ago, Verbal32 said:

 

You can put him there all you want, but he's an un-cc'd town role right now.  If he's lying, I'm going to smack the real Hider for not countering.  It's not like the scum team can easily kill the Hider anyway.  It's a free scum player dead with minimal town casualties.

 

Unless I'm misunderstanding the role interactions for Hider?

I hate that you're right. I wanna hang a pirate. 

Darthe said that the order of operations has the roleblocker first. So scum can kill the hider, but it requires dedicating their roleblock to that slot in addition to their night kill. That's not so hot an idea because it means leaving Dice alive and unblocked for a night, and they've shown willingness to dedicate the roleblocker entirely to making him useless. 

[DPR]

4 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

On the subject of the condemner though, I'd like to point out that given the choice between lynching a known condemner or a strongly suspected mafia, I'm choosing the mafia.

Darthe said the condemner's target was chosen randomly. 10 players left, 9 not counting the condemner, of which 2 are scum and 7 are town. So the condemner a) could theoretically win alongside town, and b) has a ~22% chance that the character Darthe randomly selected is mafia. Meaning, there's a 22% chance the condemner is a strictly pro-town force unless/until that character gets lynched or night killed, which is still slightly better than the 0% chance of a mafia member being a pro-town force. 

Im gonna back off the Condemner thing so as not to make more of a mess, but keep in mind that town only wins when all non-town threats are eliminated. I take 3p that gets removed if they win as non-town. 
 

We also don’t want an SK. 
 

@Darthe can the Condemner win with the town? If the Condemner turns into a SK, can the SK win with the town? Asking for a friend. 

[Ironeyes]

1 minute ago, DPR said:

Im gonna back off the Condemner thing so as not to make more of a mess, but keep in mind that town only wins when all non-town threats are eliminated. I take 3p that gets removed if they win as non-town. 
 

We also don’t want an SK. 
 

@Darthe can the Condemner win with the town? If the Condemner turns into a SK, can the SK win with the town? Asking for a friend. 

That's correct, and my analysis instantly goes out the window if they convert to SK. And the part where they get removed after winning is what I meant by condemner winning along with town. If that happens, the condemner wins but the town hasn't lost yet. 

[DPR]

3 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

That's correct, and my analysis instantly goes out the window if they convert to SK. And the part where they get removed after winning is what I meant by condemner winning along with town. If that happens, the condemner wins but the town hasn't lost yet. 

Okay. We lose another townie in the scenario, but it’s moot because nobody is going to claim Condemner anyway lol. 
 

Where are you today on everybody else? 

[Ironeyes]

11 minutes ago, DPR said:

Okay. We lose another townie in the scenario, but it’s moot because nobody is going to claim Condemner anyway lol. 
 

Where are you today on everybody else? 

 

33 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

I gave my impressions of the whole game just after being subbed in yesterday. You probably didn't read it since it seems you only read every 3rd post this game. Nevertheless, here's a quick list. 

 

Zander - Tone read

Verbal - Here there be WIM and game solving

Dice - Claimed cop and there's been plenty of time for a counterclaim since then. He stays town until I have a good reason to think otherwise.

DPR - Would vote immediately if not for Verbal's unfortunately correct point a few pages back that the real hider, if your claim was fake, would have no reason not to counterclaim. 

Nyn - Kinda coasting off my initial town read, but I haven't seen a reason to downgrade her since then either. 

Ithi - I dislike her reads but she comported herself well during EOD on D2 and helped get rid of a mafia member.

Tigraine - IDK. Orange by default because somebody has to be scum. 

Heavy - Still tone switching a lot, and that self vote was not good. I'm one of those old school people who immediately wants to lynch people who self vote. But I'm also having a hard time imagining this kind of reaction to pressure by anyone with a teammate in a private chat to vent to/get advice from. Although that supposed "slip" definitely didn't happen, I'd still be unsurprised to find out Heavy is the condemner. Playing 3p for the first time would explain a lot. 

Key - Keeps posting long reads lists that don't say all that much. Just feels like she's pretending to hunt and letting the more vocal town members do the heavy lifting.