90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Zander?]

4 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

I tend to agree.

If I recall I voted ed since we were talking amongst ourselves and you had a town vibe from tigs and verb had a town vibe from heavy. Ed seemed the constant and so the obvious choice at the time.

 

In preperation for d3 it would be good for @Verbal32 to give more insight since he played with heavy before. And anyone else that has experience with him really and is town should give their 2 cents.

 

It's a shame we don't have an iso function cause it would have been good to see if ed ever mentions tigs/heavy and if anything of significance stands out. I don't wanna promise cause I have limited time but I will try to get to it later before bed. 

 

I've played with him twice as well.  I thought he was a Wolf in 1st game we played together in and he was Town.  Got there on him in the other game where he was Town too iirc lol.

[Nynaeve]

4 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Don't you even start. Did you read after Ed claimed? Did you just start from when he got the name wrong.

 

There was all kinds of hoo ha about believing and not believing and I'm pretty sure at one point there were requests for other people to unvote.

 

You guys, although tbf Rand was adamant we should vote Ed, were going freaking round and round until I mentioned garbage set up info from Ed. And then when I said why I was voting him he said he protected nyn.

 

There's even another post from Dice? Saying nah I got that wrong and that's not what Ed was saying.

 

And of course Ed did lie and gave wrong info and changed the name of his protect.

 

But cheese louise forgive me if I was super Fluffing happy that I caught that error.

 

If I get lynched because I parked in the wrong spot, while you all yuck it up at how clever you were to spot the wrong name.

 

When the wrong name would not even had been said if I didn't call out the set up info.

 

Then I don't know what to tell you.

 

Jerk.

 

 

I smiled.

I will say irt you that at EoD you actually re-voted ed before the slip. When he was flapping his mouth about dice getting doc'd, role blocked and protected. You got insecure when he said in response to your vote that he doc'd me and thats when you unvoted. You seemed legitimately stressed that you misread/misremembered who he doc'd. But then when it was shown that you weren't mistaken, you reverted back. I really don't see scum fabricating this cause it's... too silly? Lol  so yeah, I dont feel like it was staged at all.

 

 

[Nynaeve]

7 minutes ago, Zander? said:

 

I've played with him twice as well.  I thought he was a Wolf in 1st game we played together in and he was Town.  Got there on him in the other game where he was Town too iirc lol.

 

iirc he said he was town pr in one of them.

 

Thing is if he's town scum pretty much never shoots him cause he's an easy push. Which is why I've been extra careful with him.

 

Would you say he was active constantly the other games? Was he this emo/emotional then too?

[Ithillian Turambar]

8 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

I smiled.

I will say irt you that at EoD you actually re-voted ed before the slip. When he was flapping his mouth about dice getting doc'd, role blocked and protected. You got insecure when he said in response to your vote that he doc'd me and thats when you unvoted. You seemed legitimately stressed that you misread/misremembered who he doc'd. But then when it was shown that you weren't mistaken, you reverted back. I really don't see scum fabricating this cause it's... too silly? Lol  so yeah, I dont feel like it was staged at all.

 

 

Feck me nyn I was so ready for that to be another go at me that I actually fired up a post that started with 'absolute gollocks' and then I took a deep breath and actually read what you said.

 

Yeah I probably should sleep. I think I got 3 ish hours last night because we stayed up to watch the first part of the nfl draft.

 

And I am running on empty.

[RandA lThor]

23 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Don't you even start. Did you read after Ed claimed? Did you just start from when he got the name wrong.

 

There was all kinds of hoo ha about believing and not believing and I'm pretty sure at one point there were requests for other people to unvote.

 

You guys, although tbf Rand was adamant we should vote Ed, were going freaking round and round until I mentioned garbage set up info from Ed. And then when I said why I was voting him he said he protected nyn.

 

There's even another post from Dice? Saying nah I got that wrong and that's not what Ed was saying.

 

And of course Ed did lie and gave wrong info and changed the name of his protect.

 

But cheese louise forgive me if I was super Fluffing happy that I caught that error.

 

If I get lynched because I parked in the wrong spot, while you all yuck it up at how clever you were to spot the wrong name.

 

When the wrong name would not even had been said if I didn't call out the set up info.

 

Then I don't know what to tell you.

 

Jerk.

 

Haha fair fair, I'll do a re-read of the whole situation to confirm for myself, but that's a very good point, we're not here without you. Belated welcome to the we got ed party 🎉

[Nynaeve]

2 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Feck me nyn I was so ready for that to be another go at me that I actually fired up a post that started with 'absolute gollocks' and then I took a deep breath and actually read what you said.

 

Yeah I probably should sleep. I think I got 3 ish hours last night because we stayed up to watch the first part of the nfl draft.

 

And I am running on empty.

 

Sweet dreams

[RandA lThor]

3 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Feck me nyn I was so ready for that to be another go at me that I actually fired up a post that started with 'absolute gollocks' and then I took a deep breath and actually read what you said.

 

Yeah I probably should sleep. I think I got 3 ish hours last night because we stayed up to watch the first part of the nfl draft.

 

And I am running on empty.

Feel that, I was up till 6 AM last night (though got a 2 hour nap in before). Didn't even get to fully watch the draft either rip

[Nynaeve]

What's the draft anyway?

[Ithillian Turambar]

American football when the college kids get picked by the proper teams to play for them. 

 

Still a 🦆move @RandA lThor

 

 

[Zander?]

10 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

iirc he said he was town pr in one of them.

 

Thing is if he's town scum pretty much never shoots him cause he's an easy push. Which is why I've been extra careful with him.

 

Would you say he was active constantly the other games? Was he this emo/emotional then too?

 

10 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

iirc he said he was town pr in one of them.

 

Thing is if he's town scum pretty much never shoots him cause he's an easy push. Which is why I've been extra careful with him.

 

Would you say he was active constantly the other games? Was he this emo/emotional then too?

 

Emo is I feel like a personal personality trait and would be that way regardless imo, the others who have played with him can weigh in on that assessment of mine, and he felt alot of people were Wolfy as Town too.  Those are the similarities.  Now for the difference I feel like, he certainly wasn't this inactive, I felt like he had more bravado maybe the word I'm looking for when he was Town.  But more certain of his reads and thoughts.  Lots of questions and opinions expressed. The others who played can weigh in just stuff I've noticed. Plus he didn't just park on one player for the better part of 3 days either and stay all Wagons...lol

[Zander?]

3 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

What's the draft anyway?

 

NFL National Football League (Real Football where you know you mostly don't use your foot but throw the ball .... American Football lolololololol). Kids play their whole lives...middle school high school then if they're good enough they make College teams and if they're still good enough there the professional teams Draft them and they make real monies.  (Tho just last year they introduced NIL I think it's called where they can make some money now playing college ball but definitely not the same as they can in the pros.)

[Zander?]

16 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

Feck me nyn I was so ready for that to be another go at me that I actually fired up a post that started with 'absolute gollocks' and then I took a deep breath and actually read what you said.

 

Yeah I probably should sleep. I think I got 3 ish hours last night because we stayed up to watch the first part of the nfl draft.

 

And I am running on empty.

Nights IthiGOAT 

[RandA lThor]

12 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

American football when the college kids get picked by the proper teams to play for them. 

 

Still a 🦆move @RandA lThor

 

 

Sorryy, just going through my scumhunting motions, won't always be mistake free!

[Zander?]

Just now, RandA lThor said:

Sorryy, just going through my scumhunting motions, won't always be mistake free!

 

Listen as sad as it is.... sometimes you gotta sacrifice a few of our fellow villagers to kill all da Wolves...it's sad and unfortunate but a basic fact of the game....wish it didn't have to happen but it is what it is...lol

[DPR]

14 minutes ago, RandA lThor said:

Sorryy, just going through my scumhunting motions, won't always be mistake free!

Rand, you never apologized to me for your behavior?

[keyholder21]

Just speedread through most of Day 2 to page 73. Wanted to be able to do more this morning, but I fell asleep on the couch after I took the kids to school this morning and I have a doc appt now and then have to go decorate for my daughter's dance tonight. Apparently I will just be perpetually behind.

 

Here's thoughts:

 

First - LOLOLOLOL on Ed claiming and then getting caught in a lie immediately.

 

Dice is whatever.  He's playing scummy and defensive, imo, and Ed defended him and he had the kneejerk no vote on Ed and vote on Nyn his top town read??, then votes Heavy after Ed's reveal until the lie pointed out by others on thread??? BUT is uncc'd and as many folks have said it will sort itself out. I am going to try really hard not to get sucked into this more.

 

Rand looks town for his emotion and his WIM attitude. I also think he is trying to solve, makes sense a lot of the time and goes back to try to clarify what he means. I also still this his play at EOD D1 is more likely town than scum. His play at EOD2 is more weird because I think it's ballsy to come out against an uncc'd town PR, although he obv made the right call. But still town camp for me.

 

I do like Tig's posts about thinking about the N1 situation from different angles, like I said last night. But then she goes after Rand a lot just like dice - scummates collaboring? Comes back to thread later and starts talking about dice again, although it is right where she left off, so point there.  The pot shot at Ithi/Turin rubs me the wrong way, and there is a lot of defensive nature to her posts.  Pssible that's a difference in playstyle.  Further weird, Ed first lists almost no one in response to Ithi, but does mention her specifically as null and then later says he's leaning town on her, but no reasoning in his reads list? Then she defends Ed and says he gives her a town vibe and puts Heavy at null. Then she votes him even though she prefers Heavy? And then comes back and susses Nyn *after* dice votes Nyn.

 

Heavy is maybe confused, maybe playing it up? At one points says not insinuating anything in a post to dice which felt weird. Also says he thinks dice is town but isn't acting like town but doesn't bring up the uncc'd as a reason for thinking he's town atp? He does that later. Did bring up a good point about Tig and Rand and sometimes does try to explain his thoughts. Complains about people acting too wolfy. I still can't let go of the personality switch when he started to get sussed in D1, it's so weird and I don't see him playing a gambit with it like DPR. I do think it's good that he provided a detailed reads list, although he quantifies it with fence sitting and I don't like a lot of the reads - Ed as null, Turin has lists that are "just accurate enough to be suspicious but wrong enough" -- how does Heavy know what's accurate and what's wrong??? I also don't get Z's questions being deliberate misunderstanding AT ALL. Ithi he susses for saying she's going to play her own way, but he said that too???

 

Turin looks like he's trying to solve. Even if it seems like he's tunneling and I don't agree with some of his points, I can follow how he got to those questions/conclusions and I also find his tunnel a town Turin thing? The clarification of roles also really sticks out in my head has townie, because scum want town confused and it feels like a decision to share that would be a weird way to try and get town cred.  

 

Dpr looks better on reread, but tbf I think I'm reading him biased because his claim felt true.

 

Ithi looks like she's trying to solve. Is rather stubbornly stuck on dice definitely being town, which feels a bit icky with the way dice is playing, but it's also going against the grain, so looks better than just agreeing, imo. Went against the grain with DPR too. I also think she's right that we need to look for people who are trying to be neutral. I also think her mentioning of Ed's weird RB/kill re: dice is a good look. It does wig me out a little that Turin has her as null though, since I feel like he would be better at reading her than me.

 

Verb also looks hella townie to me. He's present/involved, asking good questions, imo, and willing to challenge people and stand up for himself but isn't super catty. His different tone and involvement from last game still makes me feel good on him. I also think not wanting people to yolo hammer is a good look, even if the lynch ended up being scum.

 

Zanlo - I felt like Len was scummy for his lack of involvement, but I try to give replacements their own look. Z seems to definitely be trying to solve and this looks very much like his town game. He was also in thread and pointed out Ed's lie so I doubt very much they are W/W.

 

Nyn still looks town to me for her involvement and questions.  I think her post about competing trains re: Tig and DPR is a good look.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

1 hour ago, Zander? said:

Now for the difference I feel like, he certainly wasn't this inactive,

I've been the fourth most active or higher consistently in this game. I decided to take this Night off for a little bit of me time. This makes me, to Nyn and Z, "this" inactive. Glad at least I'm not being misrepped and definitely true there is nothing that Zander is saying that does not fit with the facts. Maybe others don't see it as it is not them he is inaccurately casing in preparation for miseliminating tomorrow, cannot say. 

 

@Tigraine pinning your WTL on me because I didn't run off like a good little boy for quotes for Zander when I clearly stated that once I had posted my list I would be signing off (a list that took a long time to make). I also clearly pointed out I was drinking so I think I was doing everyone a favour by not engaging at that point. I don't see why I should be under any obligation to do what Zander says or be voted for but sure if you feel that strongly about it

[Zander?]

I've trademarked the LOLOLOLOLOL and Imma start charging y'all for using it!!!!!

 

 

Lololololol 

[Zander?]

1 minute ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I've been the fourth most active or higher consistently in this game. I decided to take this Night off for a little bit of me time. This makes me, to Nyn and Z, "this" inactive. Glad at least I'm not being misrepped and definitely true there is nothing that Zander is saying that does not fit with the facts. Maybe others don't see it as it is not them he is inaccurately casing in preparation for miseliminating tomorrow, cannot say. 

 

@Tigraine pinning your WTL on me because I didn't run off like a good little boy for quotes for Zander when I clearly stated that once I had posted my list I would be signing off (a list that took a long time to make). I also clearly pointed out I was drinking so I think I was doing everyone a favour by not engaging at that point. I don't see why I should be under any obligation to do what Zander says or be voted for but sure if you feel that strongly about it

 

You most definitely should do everything I say......like send me $1000000.00 and a kidney immediately.  Lololololol 

 

But now that you're back and not drinking it seems according to your latest post you'll back up your case against me perhaps?  You blow people off especially when youre complaining about me inaccurately casing when that's exactly what I felt you did to me??  Or to be honest more so you manufactured that read on me as opposed to organically felt that way.  

[Zander?]

23 hours ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

Well I said I would do a list but I have been at work and other things like that that are completely out of character for me. Cracked open a beer so I'll probably sign off after so I don't inflict a drunk hairy Scotsman on you, DL is too late for me anyway, and I don't think anything will happen to convince me to change my vote.

 

One incredibly depressing point is that should I be wrong on DPR I may as well throw the rest of the list in the bin as I'm so convinced on his alignment every other player has been judged on how they interact with him or seem to collude in achieving goals or have weird possible distancing exchanges. 

 

Tentative Town:

Nynaeve - seems to be making the most sense, when she can stop with the sarcky one liners. Don't feel a great urgency about solving or hunting, more observing, prodding and commenting. 

Key - started strong, but tailed off. Some of her reasoning has seemed a bit lame. Unfortunately RL seems to have swallowed her while most of the drama has been going on. Did not approve of her on Marsh's train.

Verbal - Seems to be making sense, agree mostly with him about DPR, in his arguments with players like Turin he seems to be have at worst a reasonable position. Nothing has pinged me about his play. 

 

Null:

Ed - Flashes of insight, seems to make sense when posting. Humourous, confrontational style seems slightly counter productive given apparently RL-enforced low activity. Missing voting completely is never a good look regardless of your ability to be online at DL.

Turin - Did not like him buttering me up on D1, especially not then him using Verb not going after me as a reason to case Verb. But in general makes sense, though I don't like his lists, they sketch me out as if they are just accurate enough not to be suspicious, but wrong enough to through a spanner in the works, and everytime it seems either swinging to town or mafia for me he seems to walk back the arguments to leave himself more neutral. Almost feels like precision bombing - hitting very specific targets and then backing off. But even for me I recognise that is reaching a bit. 

 

Would not go on a date with on a night with a full moon:

Rand - WIM. But seems like too much going on about the same WIFOM. Perhaps just cannot stop responding - can relate. But feels frantic, distractionary (that is tots a word) and while I have a hard time thinking he is working with DPR I cannot avoid the violence even if it is coming from a Town pov. 

Zandlo - Lenlo went for low hanging fruit and not much else qualify if for poor reasons or town reasons. Zander has been pretty null, but enough of his comments have rubbed me the wrong way - like he is deliberately misunderstanding or oversimplifying to state wolf-friendly propaganda. Not active enough to have a real read, though I did not like that Lenlo's vote on me could have been an opening for a train on someone with wolf equity at DL if everything went wrong for our furry friends. 

 

Would shoot with silver bullets:

Ithi - Decided on a target in the opening exchanges of D1 and then pretty much ignored the rest of the day. Has backed DPR repeatedly. Has often shut down discussion by asserting she will play her own way as if that is not a nothing burger response to anything regarding content. Accused my post about nothing of being a carefully crafted post about nothing so therefore AI. My flabber is still gasted.

Tigraine - Makes far too many pro-DPR arguments for my liking. Reasoning that a player saving the unCCd cop is scummy stands out in a way that I don't think can be washed away. But deliberate? Also did not like the DPR vote immediately after what felt like a change in DPR's tone. Tinfoil moment but felt like DPR had accepted his wolf equity was past the point of no return and therefore Tig jumped on the bus. Think I'm mixing metaphors there.

Dice - Feels like Town. Sounds like Town. But... immediately accuses players of saving him of being wolves. Claims with only 2 minutes to go. Thinks saying in the last hour "you should not be voting for me" should have been significant rather than laughed at. Massively downplays the advantages to the wolves to false claim, which as far as I can see far outweigh the benefits to the real cop on D1 claiming. That could be my inexperience, but "only buys me a day or so" seems such an understatement to be an outright lie. Seemed to work with DPR at EoD and Night, but then was distanced by DPR with his Dice is definitely scum (though actually it was Rand and Heavy that said that, not the innocent pirate). Totally sketched out by this slot. No idea really. I guess at least I don't need to make a decision until more flips happen, thank the Light.

 

As above but repeatedly. Reload and shoot again. Use a wooden stake and bedeck in garlic.

DPR - Anti-town, deflections, lies, kill it, kill it with fire. Have gone in depth about my suspicions elsewhere. If I'm wrong, I dunno, this presumably is not a game I'm any good at then.

 

I'd apologise for the WoT but then I would lying. Suck it up peeps.

  Reveal hidden contents

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

 

Along with providing receipts for your, as I feel, your "inaccurate casing" of me. 

 

Talk to us about that Ed read while you're at it if you also don't mind please?

 

What are your thoughts on both Dice's and DPR's claims ATP?

[Nynaeve]

9 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I've been the fourth most active or higher consistently in this game. I decided to take this Night off for a little bit of me time. This makes me, to Nyn and Z, "this" inactive. Glad at least I'm not being misrepped and definitely true there is nothing that Zander is saying that does not fit with the facts. Maybe others don't see it as it is not them he is inaccurately casing in preparation for miseliminating tomorrow, cannot say. 

 

@Tigraine pinning your WTL on me because I didn't run off like a good little boy for quotes for Zander when I clearly stated that once I had posted my list I would be signing off (a list that took a long time to make). I also clearly pointed out I was drinking so I think I was doing everyone a favour by not engaging at that point. I don't see why I should be under any obligation to do what Zander says or be voted for but sure if you feel that strongly about it

 

I clearly asked Zander about your level of activity in you previous games... but ok? Lol

[RandA lThor]

1 hour ago, DPR said:

Rand, you never apologized to me for your behavior?

You deserved it 😂

 

Found my old reads list from right before D2

 

DPR

Tigraine, Ithi, Dice, Ed

-------

Heavy, Key, Lenlo (whoops sry Len)

Turin, Nynaeve

Verbal

 

New one (Ithi I swear you would be with Tigs if not for the correction you pointed out, so I am taking that into account). Also not accounting for 3p reads at all

 

Tigraine

Dice, Ithi

---------

Heavy, Key, Zander, Turin

DPR, Verbal

Nynaeve

[Zander?]

1 minute ago, RandA lThor said:

You deserved it 😂

 

Found my old reads list from right before D2

 

DPR

Tigraine, Ithi, Dice, Ed

-------

Heavy, Key, Lenlo (whoops sry Len)

Turin, Nynaeve

Verbal

 

New one (Ithi I swear you would be with Tigs if not for the correction you pointed out, so I am taking that into account). Also not accounting for 3p reads at all

 

Tigraine

Dice, Ithi

---------

Heavy, Key, Zander, Turin

DPR, Verbal

Nynaeve

I don't understand the color system lol it has to be wrong because Blue is most Towny and my name is not in blue Soni think your color coding system is broken????

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

1 hour ago, keyholder21 said:

Heavy is maybe confused, maybe playing it up? At one points says not insinuating anything in a post to dice which felt weird. Also says he thinks dice is town but isn't acting like town but doesn't bring up the uncc'd as a reason for thinking he's town atp? He does that later. Did bring up a good point about Tig and Rand and sometimes does try to explain his thoughts. Complains about people acting too wolfy. I still can't let go of the personality switch when he started to get sussed in D1, it's so weird and I don't see him playing a gambit with it like DPR. I do think it's good that he provided a detailed reads list, although he quantifies it with fence sitting and I don't like a lot of the reads - Ed as null, Turin has lists that are "just accurate enough to be suspicious but wrong enough" -- how does Heavy know what's accurate and what's wrong??? I also don't get Z's questions being deliberate misunderstanding AT ALL. Ithi he susses for saying she's going to play her own way, but he said that too??

If you are still trying to pin wolf equity on me for D1, I don't like it. You should have voted for me then and cleared it up. Holding onto it for the rest of the game only makes it easier for the wolves to use me as a useful idiot for them to manipulate the rest of you and miseliminate me when it is most convenient for them. Not telling you how to play, just pointing out that having unresolvable suspicion of someone from day 1 onwards does not help town, and in my opinion, should not be allowed to fester. 

I don't know what is accurate about Turin's play - I'm talking about how it fits with my worldview, which has since been blown into irrelevant shards. I also pointed out how much of a stretch that feeling was even to me but I was trying to show what was going on inside my head. 

What I meant was Ithi was saying I'm playing my own way for example when Verb was asking her if she should not consider the possibility of Marsh being Town (in hindsight a rather relevant question). I was saying I'm playing my own way when Ithi was telling me I should not find things sus which I most certainly did. I think there is a meaningful difference there. 

[RandA lThor]

2 minutes ago, Zander? said:

I don't understand the color system lol it has to be wrong because Blue is most Towny and my name is not in blue Soni think your color coding system is broken????

Switched it up to mess with DPR.

 

Jk, blue is in between purple and green so I switched it up lol, goes from scum to town in case anyone is legit confused