90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Verbal32]

59 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

You're talking as if you know Verb is town

 

23 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

thougbt I’d quoted this

 

your right it does read that way but i dont know what verbal is. 
 

when I wrote it I wrote it as speaking to a town about a theory not as speaking to a town verb.  But you’re not going to know that the way it is written I admit

 

For the record, I'm not sure I buy this.  I'm not going to vote an un-cc'd Cop, but still.....yuck.

[Turin Turambar]

1 hour ago, ed2funy said:

I literally said my Tigs vote was a joke. So clock that, Turin. Confirmed how

Well I haven't reread your posts and they weren't very memorable so meh.

 

Thank you for confirming you basically did nothing all of D1.

[DPR]

@Turin Turambar Walk me through your *3 Town deaths tonight scenario*
 

We have a Condemner, who would have been pushing a lynch on their target, but Marsh wasn’t it or else the Condemner would be removed from the game, as per the setup explanations. I guess it’s possible that could be announced at daybreak, but it seems like it would have been announced. 
 

@Verbal32 is currently my top pick for Condemner. Antagonistic Verbal is a bad Verbal. Also, dice is playing a very different game compared to last. 
 

I strongly disagree with the idea of a real Cop cc’ing - not this early and with so little info. 
 

@RandA lThor is a strong candidate for GF. He slanked until deadline and then was all over the scene. I see a world where the COPlin remarks were rolefishing in this scenario and it looked like it at the time. 
 

@ed2funy hasn’t contributed anything useful, but has offered multiple excuses as to why. All ‘tude and no payoff. 
 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade is a ? to me atm, but the movement toward the end of day makes me wonder if he’s just a confused townie. Weird play though, so we’ll see. 
 

Mislynching a townie on d1 is nothing new. We’ll survive. 
 

The interesting parts to me were all of the moves made in the last hour or so. 
 

I have no problem with dice waiting to 

reveal - that just makes sense because there were active people on his train that he knew could unvote. 
 

 

 

[Turin Turambar]

49 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

this made me blink. It just strikes me wrong

 

 

I’m not mafia 
 

 

who was this to?

 

 

 

sorry I wanted to put a smiley on here but couldn’t filigree one out that showed both frustration and that I was joking with you with that

 

 

 

Course I would. What I WOULDN’T expect is for that townie to then immediately vote someone who wasn’t going to get lynched in two minutes especially when there was a train that WOULD happen in two minutes

TheDice is mafiawas a hypothetical to show that Verb's reasoning lacked reasoning. 

 

The last though is illogical. Your saying he should have just gone right to the now confirmed town? He actually did get there before DL so why not try to get a pile on someone he did think was mafia instead of a random? Now I have to see what his read on Ironeyes was before EoD1. Thanks.

[DPR]

31 minutes ago, Nynaeve said:

 

My comment about the read list was to Rand.

 

I really don't understand your stance on Rand's votes close to DL.

 

So he moved his vote to his top suss (Wes), that wouldn't have been lynched in a 2 mins time frame. Okay?

 

Had he moved it straight to Marsh then that would have been a better look? As scum he could have easily moved it to Marsh and called it a day with a mislynch. Or lingered in posting and let you get lynched. 

 

I dont see how towndice would see his behavior as scummy. It doesn't make sense.

At the time, it felt like Rand voted for me to see if a bandwagon would form. It felt scummy. When nobody took the bait, he switched. 
 

15 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

 

I don't have an issue with saying you'd change your view based on evidence - my issue is that you gave 2 options for Marsh, and both were him as scum.  You never gave him the opportunity to be town.  I read him as town, so it's not like there weren't signs.  His Thesaurus posts were clearly frustrated town.

 

 

 

 

Aww shucks, you'll make me blush.

 

 

 

 

And if Dice is the GF?  Don't you think he'd claim Cop in this instance?

 

 

 

 

HAHAHAHA, please come at me if you think you have even a remote chance of lynching me.  People voted Marsh with "imo bad reasoning".  You don't like my vote on Dice?  Ok.  Why would I vote Heavy?  I was leaning town, though expressed my discomfort with having Marsh town, who thought Heavy was scum.  I'm sure you read that, though.

 

Popped in when Dice asked, lol.  Pay attention to the thread, Turin.  I did post when and how long my break would be twice yesterday, and it was pretty much exactly as I stated.  Nice try, heh.  Actually, it isn't.

 

 

 

 

If I wanted the Cop dead (assuming you are), I would have not unvoted.  I could have claimed a million reasons to why I didn't unvote with barely 2 minutes left in the day.

 

 

 

 

I'm not confident on that slot.  I leaned town because he felt the same way he did in my first game back when he went a little emo and was town.  I was giving the benefit of the doubt, but Marsh being so certain makes me not sure.

 

 

 

 

This is just wrong.  He could be scum (like the GF), so a Cop viewing him would think he's just drawing fire away from the real Cop.  So yeah, still a POI......but he's also the un-cc'd Cop.  You can be both.

 

I was committed to him being mafia, but I'm not going to keep my vote on a claimed Cop.  As for Key, that's pretty clear.  I have a town lean on her, which is much more than anybody else on that train.  But if you were paying attention to the thread earlier, you saw Dice essentially bow to Key and ask her if she wanted anything from him.  How often do you see Dice do something like that?

 

Ithi is your target? Lol

[Turin Turambar]

17 minutes ago, DPR said:

@Turin Turambar Walk me through your *3 Town deaths tonight scenario*
 

We have a Condemner, who would have been pushing a lynch on their target, but Marsh wasn’t it or else the Condemner would be removed from the game, as per the setup explanations. I guess it’s possible that could be announced at daybreak, but it seems like it would have been announced. 
 

@Verbal32 is currently my top pick for Condemner. Antagonistic Verbal is a bad Verbal. Also, dice is playing a very different game compared to last. 
 

I strongly disagree with the idea of a real Cop cc’ing - not this early and with so little info. 
 

@RandA lThor is a strong candidate for GF. He slanked until deadline and then was all over the scene. I see a world where the COPlin remarks were rolefishing in this scenario and it looked like it at the time. 
 

@ed2funy hasn’t contributed anything useful, but has offered multiple excuses as to why. All ‘tude and no payoff. 
 

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade is a ? to me atm, but the movement toward the end of day makes me wonder if he’s just a confused townie. Weird play though, so we’ll see. 
 

Mislynching a townie on d1 is nothing new. We’ll survive. 
 

The interesting parts to me were all of the moves made in the last hour or so. 
 

I have no problem with dice waiting to 

reveal - that just makes sense because there were active people on his train that he knew could unvote. 
 

 

 

Because I misunderstood the condemner role. I just read it on the wiki.  I thought it was like a vig/hit man kinda thing based on things I thought Darthe said. I didn't realise they had to lynch a player. That's what I get for being so sure about something to not check.

I thought that the Condemner could kill their target since they became a SK. The mafia will kill someone.most likely. The hider could unfortunately hide behind a killed player. That would be 3. However, I was epically wrong.

 

 

I'll just go sit in the corner for now.  

[Verbal32]

31 minutes ago, DPR said:

 

@Verbal32 is currently my top pick for Condemner. Antagonistic Verbal is a bad Verbal. Also, dice is playing a very different game compared to last. 
 

I strongly disagree with the idea of a real Cop cc’ing - not this early and with so little info. 

 

I'm more than a little surprised that you're not reading me as town right now.  For multiple reasons.  And I did suggest maybe after a red peek the Cop might consider it.  I know I would.

 

And Condemner?  I've sussed a few different people and didn't focus on any one.  Actually, if you look back, I did ask if anybody was tunneling at all.  Funny enough, your focus on Marsh is what prompted me to post that.  Go figure.

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, DPR said:

At the time, it felt like Rand voted for me to see if a bandwagon would form. It felt scummy. When nobody took the bait, he switched. 
 

 

Ithi is your target? Lol

 

So you're saying Rand tried to get a CFD with barely a minute left in day?

 

Actually, I might be coming out the gates at you, brotein shake.

[DPR]

13 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Because I misunderstood the condemner role. I just read it on the wiki.  I thought it was like a vig/hit man kinda thing based on things I thought Darthe said. I didn't realise they had to lynch a player. That's what I get for being so sure about something to not check.

I thought that the Condemner could kill their target since they became a SK. The mafia will kill someone.most likely. The hider could unfortunately hide behind a killed player. That would be 3. However, I was epically wrong.

 

 

I'll just go sit in the corner for now.  

Okay, so as it stands, we are expecting 1 kill tonight unless the doc or RB prevents it, yeah? 

[Ithillian Turambar]

51 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

His Thesaurus posts were clearly frustrated town.

Blah he totally stole that joke from me.

[ed2funy]

40 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Well I haven't reread your posts and they weren't very memorable so meh.

 

Thank you for confirming you basically did nothing all of D1.

vote: Turin 😶🤭

[Turin Turambar]

12 hours ago, RandA lThor said:

Omg, finally, all caught up, and can fully focus on the game (albeit on my phone).

 

Scum Reads - Dice, DPR, Ed

 

TL;DRs:

 

Dice - Stretch in reasoning to call me scum after Id placed him in a sus group of 3, which isn't even that big of an accusation

 

DPR - Bad reasoning takes imo in the past ~24 hours and discussions with Verbal, iirc had to do with some activity-based logic, though this is a good sign I should take notes during my re-read

 

Ed - Largest comment to actually useful investigation ratio (meaning not many useful tidbits). Seems like he's enjoying the show and waiting for some inno to get lynched. If this read is true, less likely that Dice is scum ig.

 

Heavy, Tigraine

 

Heavy - Super hard to place, and I was originally more on him being town (and I think the whole tonal switch thing is bs, why would he be putting that much work into speaking differently?? Seems like an easy way to shoot yourself in the foot, which is what happened). However, I do agree that you can't ignore the defensiveness and large reactions the more I read. Would put him neutral if I left that option for myself, but more out of confusion. Also there are enough town vibes to me now that someone who's not giving them is automatically in the potential scum side

 

Tigraine - Do not think the activity thing is a big deal, it was a special weekend (also did anyone here 4/20 it up haha, I thought thatd be another reason people were gone, but idk how many ppl here partake). Anyways, I didn't get anything of substance from her analysis, so she's also in the not giving town vibes, hence on the scum suspect side

 

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Ithi, Key, Marsh

 

Ithi & Key - Giving good searching for clues vibes, as well as the "clueless" energy that you get if you aren't mafia

 

Marsh - Mainly coded in the Marsh and Key back and forth feeling like town on town conflict, and agreeing with his reasoning re: Heavy and giving him some grace as a new guy on DM and not understanding playstyles? Was surprised it wasn't done more

 

Turin, Verbal

 

Turin & Verbal - Logical thinking that aligns with my own consistently

 

Nynaeve - Honestly scared that she gives me the most town cuz she hasn't done anything so big that's a "clearing" type action, and while I agree with her reasoning overall, I don't think its anything special. All that being said, gut feel on how she reacts, analyses, etc  is pure town and it seems a lot of others agree. But she could also just be flexing her acting chops. Still, my strongest town read.

This was Rands reads.list during EoD1. He has Ironeyes as a town read so why would he.move directly tothatif he hoped he could get his next mafia read lynched( even if wrong in the hope). He then quickly realised and moved to secure the lynch. I think that checks out.

[Tigraine]

Bloody hell, im finally caught up.  Wonderful timing i know.  As I missed EoD, I'm sure a lot will be read into that but truth is, I'm old and tired..I fell asleep.

 

I'm wanting to hurry and get my summaries and spreadsheet Posted before night ends in case I don't live to see the day dawn.  

 

I do have a quick question though, how can you see exact times for when a post was made? Some say exact time then some say 6 hours ago.  

[Turin Turambar]

4 minutes ago, DPR said:

Okay, so as it stands, we are expecting 1 kill tonight unless the doc or RB prevents it, yeah? 

How would the RB? They are mafia. Someone almost certainly is going to die tonight. If they use their strongman kill then someone is definitely dying, 2 if the hider hides wrong. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

37 minutes ago, DPR said:

At the time, it felt like Rand voted for me to see if a bandwagon would form. It felt scummy. When nobody took the bait, he switched. 
 

 

Ithi is your target? Lol

I better not be the target or I'm gonna be so annoyed

[Ithillian Turambar]

1 minute ago, Tigraine said:

I do have a quick question though, how can you see exact times for when a post was made? Some say exact time then some say 6 hours ago.  

You can't. Welcome to New DM!

[DPR]

1 minute ago, Verbal32 said:

 

I'm more than a little surprised that you're not reading me as town right now.  For multiple reasons.  And I did suggest maybe after a red peek the Cop might consider it.  I know I would.

 

And Condemner?  I've sussed a few different people and didn't focus on any one.  Actually, if you look back, I did ask if anybody was tunneling at all.  Funny enough, your focus on Marsh is what prompted me to post that.  Go figure.

 

 

 

 

So you're saying Rand tried to get a CFD with barely a minute left in day?

 

Actually, I might be coming out the gates at you, brotein shake.

Marsh played a scummy game, which you’ve already preemted my saying so lol, but it’s true - I don’t get him voted all by myself. And believe what you will, but he did botch the pretending thing. We’re looking for slips and that surely seemed like one. 
 

And yes, Rand who has been doing drive-by’s all game but who was suddenly present at day end tried to get a wagon moving. There were more than enough people to make that happen - it was only 4 votes. I think he tried, nobody budged and he shifted to Marsh to ensure he didn’t give himself away completely. 

[ed2funy]

23 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

Because I misunderstood the condemner role. I just read it on the wiki.  I thought it was like a vig/hit man kinda thing based on things I thought Darthe said. I didn't realise they had to lynch a player. That's what I get for being so sure about something to not check.

I thought that the Condemner could kill their target since they became a SK. The mafia will kill someone.most likely. The hider could unfortunately hide behind a killed player. That would be 3. However, I was epically wrong.

 

 

I'll just go sit in the corner for now.  

so it’s an issue that I am confused by things cause I haven’t played in 13 years but you’re okay being confused? 
 

someone fight me 

[Turin Turambar]

2 minutes ago, ed2funy said:

so it’s an issue that I am confused by things cause I haven’t played in 13 years but you’re okay being confused? 
 

someone fight me 

[Tigraine]

4 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

You can't. Welcome to New DM!

That absolutely blows.

 

Thank you 

[DPR]

6 minutes ago, Turin Turambar said:

How would the RB? They are mafia. Someone almost certainly is going to die tonight. If they use their strongman kill then someone is definitely dying, 2 if the hider hides wrong. 

If they RB’d the doc - I misworded it. I meant we’re expecting 1 kill outside of role actions.

[Verbal32]

6 minutes ago, DPR said:

Marsh played a scummy game, which you’ve already preemted my saying so lol, but it’s true - I don’t get him voted all by myself. And believe what you will, but he did botch the pretending thing. We’re looking for slips and that surely seemed like one. 
 

And yes, Rand who has been doing drive-by’s all game but who was suddenly present at day end tried to get a wagon moving. There were more than enough people to make that happen - it was only 4 votes. I think he tried, nobody budged and he shifted to Marsh to ensure he didn’t give himself away completely. 

 

I think you're attributing too much thought within literally 1-2 minutes of gameplay with that 2nd paragraph.

 

As for the 1st, just lol.  I just re-read the entire interaction you and Marsh had.  He explained how he did not lay a trap or trying to plot something.  If you read his original case, his explanations make perfect sense.  He didn't botch anything.  Now, if Heavy is actually town, he did make a mistake in that assessment, but that doesn't impact the case he made and how you reacted to it.

 

Honestly?  I think he might have made an incorrect case on Heavy (I still lean a little town here), but instead caught you completely by accident.  You jumped on him for semantics, he explained it....and you doubled down on being obtuse about it.  You're still doing it.

[DPR]

2 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

 

I think you're attributing too much thought within literally 1-2 minutes of gameplay with that 2nd paragraph.

 

As for the 1st, just lol.  I just re-read the entire interaction you and Marsh had.  He explained how he did not lay a trap or trying to plot something.  If you read his original case, his explanations make perfect sense.  He didn't botch anything.  Now, if Heavy is actually town, he did make a mistake in that assessment, but that doesn't impact the case he made and how you reacted to it.

 

Honestly?  I think he might have made an incorrect case on Heavy (I still lean a little town here), but instead caught you completely by accident.  You jumped on him for semantics, he explained it....and you doubled down on being obtuse about it.  You're still doing it.

I think you’re doing everything you can to not see how much it looked like a slip. 
 

He was obviously town, but to not see where others suspected he wasn’t is just being obtuse. I saw what I thought was a slip and voted for it. It is what it is. 
 

 

[Verbal32]

3 minutes ago, DPR said:

I think you’re doing everything you can to not see how much it looked like a slip. 
 

He was obviously town, but to not see where others suspected he wasn’t is just being obtuse. I saw what I thought was a slip and voted for it. It is what it is. 
 

 

 

As somebody who looks for slips as a method of scumhunting, no.  I didn't notice it, because I don't think he slipped.  I think you pounced on what you thought you could qualify as a slip.  It's pretty much what I did last game as scum.  You're making my point for me here, Wes.

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

And after that I murdered my father with a pogo-stick. 

 

It is such a shame that no one can read anything I'm posting otherwise I could have saved you from your "mistake", DPR. But obviously me posting immediately after you was completely invisible just like my posts now. 

 

Marsh didn't make a mistake or slip, and his convoluted theorising proved he was Town, if you assume I'm Town, so you could have cleared him by eliminating me.

 

Dont know why I'm bothering actually *sighs*

[Lenlo]

Just now, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

And after that I murdered my father with a pogo-stick. 

 

It is such a shame that no one can read anything I'm posting otherwise I could have saved you from your "mistake", DPR. But obviously me posting immediately after you was completely invisible just like my posts now. 

 

Marsh didn't make a mistake or slip, and his convoluted theorising proved he was Town, if you assume I'm Town, so you could have cleared him by eliminating me.

 

Dont know why I'm bothering actually *sighs*