90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Verbal32]

38 minutes ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

*to have

 

Also thanks for making me pause and check with the vote for Darthe, Verbal

 

Unintended benefit, lol.

 

 

 

27 minutes ago, keyholder21 said:

what he was calling Heavy, but it didn't ping me that hard.  (Left that for you Verb).  Why does that make him firm scum for you?

 

Jesus Christ this is like giggity overload.  You're like lobbing softballs, here.

 

Hehehe, balls.

 

 

I'll see myself out.  >_>

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, keyholder21 said:

DL is like one day away from this post.  When would be a good time for you to start real D1?

 

Not Easter weekend when I'm super full, half drunk, and not engaged.  Why don't you guys just do what I want?

[Verbal32]

34 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

I dont really care if I get accused of that tbh, it's D1, we need to go off of something, and you/Marsh are the best sources of information/highest chance of wolf in my eyes.

 

Please explain how Heavy and Marsh are the "best sources of information".  Thanks.

[Verbal32]

So Lenlo is doing his scum thing where he tunnels on something easy that he didn't even identify in the first place.

 

Not the best look of all time, here.

[Lenlo]

1 minute ago, Verbal32 said:

 

Please explain how Heavy and Marsh are the "best sources of information".  Thanks.

Both have received a lot of attention/interacted with a lot of people today, in non-joking ways, connecting them to a lot of the game. Compare that to like... You or Ed who have interacted primarily through memes and jokes rather than anything substantive.

 

Then there's their own reads/pushes and how they themselves have reacted to being pushed. If they flip wolf we can go back to find people who weren't afraid of sussing/pushing them early to try and identify possible town, as well as the opposite in people defending them an odd amount for D1 to find wolf buddies. Don't act like you don't know how all of this works.

 

Lastly, they are also just the wolfiest people in the game at the moment. Dont mistake me, this isnt just "Information", I also think the way Heavy and Marsh have posted up until now is just not particularly towny. I'm not saying "Lynch for info and nothing else".

[Lenlo]

3 minutes ago, Verbal32 said:

So Lenlo is doing his scum thing where he tunnels on something easy that he didn't even identify in the first place.

 

Not the best look of all time, here.

Yeah, because thats exactly what I did last game /s. And "Tunnel"? Bro its been like 2 hours and 5 posts with Heavy right here to chat back and forth with. Whats with this complete misrepresentation of the conversation?

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

5 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Gonna be honest, you only seem to pick up a thesaurus when you're pressured, and at times it comes off like you're trying to overwhelm/confuse people so they focus on the words rather than what you're actually saying with them. 

 

As for the world you flip wolf, it really doesnt matter if we dont get information from it, we caught a wolf. That alone is worth the price of entry, anything else is a bonus. So this idea we get no information from you flipping wolf is kind of irrelevant, we would have caught a wolf.

 

I disagree, you've interacted with most of the game, if you dont think we can glean information from that then you either aren't paying attention or are trying to frame yourself as not worth being lynched to avoid it. Which I get, I've done it myself multiple times, to great success I might add.

 

See, this reads to me like you're trying to get me to back off by threatening me/implying I'm a wolf rather than providing a better alternative/hunting wolves yourself. This is like "If you continue to vote me, I will push you as a wolf, do you really want that attention/heat?" Surely you can see why this doesnt make me want to stop voting you.

 

It's day 1, light reads and flip info is all we have to go on. You say I'm "overplaying it", bro I have like 3 posts on the subject. Want me to move? Go hunt/case a wolf and give me a good reason to. Because whether you intend it or not, your methods of defending yourself is sketchy.

I'm just trying to engage you. You are the person that has started my train, and that has a special place in Wagonomics, no? So the more info I get out of you as to why, the more info it will provide when I flip town. I'm not trying to bully you off - as the more info part is what can clear you if you are town. I'm just doing what I can to limit damage after my earlier play so that we either a) can see wolves in my train or b) can clear the townies in my train. Because if people just vote without reasoning there is going to be no way to differentiate. Personally I think there has been an awful lot going on to make a Heavy/Marsh wtl list a little simplistic, and apparently chosen to have an easy out when it turns to a miselimination. Though of course I would be biased there. 

 

And all these accusations of using a thesaurus, it is hurtful, people,lol.

[DPR]

28 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I get your point in that we need to eliminate someone, but I don't quite agree with your nonchalance. Though I obviously am in agreement that there is no one that is stand out acting like a wolf though. 

 

I am interested in your claim that my flip will tell anyone anything. In the counterfactual world where I flip mafia, everyone can say yeah, you could see it in his inconsistent tone. First time wolf, couldn't cope. What else would it tell you? And in this world where I flip town, everyone will see, hmm, his tone didn't mean he was mafia. And what else? So far as I can see my flip either way implicates no one and clears no one so pushing for my elimination is purely about me and nothing about anyone else. 

 

In my view of course. 

 

Whereas someone wanting to start trains on the lowest hanging fruit without really caring if they are mafia or not seems a tiny bit wolfy. 

 

But you are definitely right there are scarce pickings at the moment, but I cannot help but feel you are overplayjng the information from the flip argument. 

This is a terrible post. You don’t agree with another player’s nonchalance? That doesn’t matter - players can feel any way they will, we’re just here to agree or disagree with points being made. 
 

The next part about there being no info with your lynch is just absurd. There is info in every flip with no exceptions. 
 

I take no joy in your situation, but this appeal to emotion is no way to save your neck, lol. 
 

Nobody is in any danger of a lynch yet, so relax and enjoy the back and forth. 

[Verbal32]

7 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Both have received a lot of attention/interacted with a lot of people today, in non-joking ways, connecting them to a lot of the game. Compare that to like... You or Ed who have interacted primarily through memes and jokes rather than anything substantive.

 

Then there's their own reads/pushes and how they themselves have reacted to being pushed. If they flip wolf we can go back to find people who weren't afraid of sussing/pushing them early to try and identify possible town, as well as the opposite in people defending them an odd amount for D1 to find wolf buddies. Don't act like you don't know how all of this works.

 

Lastly, they are also just the wolfiest people in the game at the moment. Dont mistake me, this isnt just "Information", I also think the way Heavy and Marsh have posted up until now is just not particularly towny. I'm not saying "Lynch for info and nothing else".

 

I could argue that coming late into the thread, latching onto the only "serious" thing to happen, would also qualify as lacking substance.

 

Just sayin'.

[Tigraine]

Quick summary of pages 5-7:

Heavy is clearly the first real pressure point.

DPR is lowkey setting up a possible mislynch or wolfhunt with that group callout.

Early tensions are starting to form, especially around Heavy.

There’s a lot of emotional posting from Heavy, some mild pressure from Ithi and dice, a few jokes from DPR and ed, and Iron trying to bring a bit of analytical calm to it.

Trying to remember DPR's style.   Just find it really hard to believe he'd seem so scummy if he were actually scum.  But still in the air.

---

 

It seems like Heavy is newer to the group (not sure about this) and feels a little defensive about getting early suspicion, but is trying to lean into the fun ("I AM LYNCH!"), while others like dicetosser1 are joking about lynching Heavy for the memes.

Ithi is analyzing reactions, especially Heavy's emotional swings, and is starting to find Iron more suspicious for how they're treating Heavy. Nynaeve is being patient and digging into experience levels for meta reasons.

Overall, classic early Day 1 Mafia forum vibe:

Light jokes and memes

Some early poking at emotional reactions

First attempts to form "serious" reads based on tone/behavior, not necessarily solid evidence yet.



DPR  and his "For the players new to the game, a classic drive-by post executed perfectly. 10/10" 🙄

Weird that he failed to mention others with "drive by" posts or lack of posts at all.  But does this lead me to believe he's scum? Idk.  He's too smart to head a Bandwagon lynch on Day 1 when blatantly ignoring others...or would that be his defense when I flip town?

Vibe:
Really wishing I could read Heavy and his behavior...maybe that's the type of frazzle for new age mafia? 

Watching to see how hard DPR pushes this...and watching to see how he responds when called out for it.

 

Standing as of end of page 7:

 

Strong suspicion of Heavy and DPR. May change when I finish reading? Idk, I can't shake Heavy's game play but still can't tell if it's just because of his seemingly back and forth energy, his defensiveness at times, or if it's his norm.

[Lenlo]

1 minute ago, Verbal32 said:

 

I could argue that coming late into the thread, latching onto the only "serious" thing to happen, would also qualify as lacking substance.

 

Just sayin'.

Yeah, that's valid. I didnt see the game had started and wanted to make up for lost time so I dived right in because I saw we were close to deadline today. You're 100% right that I havent contributed a lot. I'm tryin to fix that.

[Verbal32]

7 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Yeah, because thats exactly what I did last game /s. And "Tunnel"? Bro its been like 2 hours and 5 posts with Heavy right here to chat back and forth with. Whats with this complete misrepresentation of the conversation?

 

We'll see.

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, DPR said:

This is a terrible post. You don’t agree with another player’s nonchalance? That doesn’t matter - players can feel any way they will, we’re just here to agree or disagree with points being made. 
 

The next part about there being no info with your lynch is just absurd. There is info in every flip with no exceptions. 
 

I take no joy in your situation, but this appeal to emotion is no way to save your neck, lol. 
 

Nobody is in any danger of a lynch yet, so relax and enjoy the back and forth. 

 

I can't say anything about his scum game, because I don't think he's been scum yet.....but the bold is exactly how he reacted in the first game I played with him and he was town.

[Verbal32]

Just now, Lenlo said:

Yeah, that's valid. I didnt see the game had started and wanted to make up for lost time so I dived right in because I saw we were close to deadline today. You're 100% right that I havent contributed a lot. I'm tryin to fix that.

 

Fair response.  You may live.

 

For now.

[Tigraine]

Okay, what's what I've got so far.   Gonna try to hurry and get the rest in so I can join the real time convo. Probably won't immediately respond if someone asks something or anything as it's a beast to remember my exact spot if I navigate away and my brain sucks (hence the spreadsheet/page by page breakdowns)  🤷‍♀️

[Ironeyes]

47 minutes ago, keyholder21 said:

So your analysis now is??

That you and Heavy are scum. The megapost is under construction. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Just now, DPR said:

This is a terrible post. You don’t agree with another player’s nonchalance? That doesn’t matter - players can feel any way they will, we’re just here to agree or disagree with points being made. 
 

The next part about there being no info with your lynch is just absurd. There is info in every flip with no exceptions. 
 

I take no joy in your situation, but this appeal to emotion is no way to save your neck, lol. 
 

Nobody is in any danger of a lynch yet, so relax and enjoy the back and forth. 

I'm not worried - as I said I am trying to do damage limitation to town, and maybe even get something good out of making such a target of myself. 

 

I'm wrong to think it is not very pro-town to be nonchalant about eliminating a town player? Really? Have to say that is a hard disagree from me there. 

 

The information point is I think Lenlo is overplaying it so then the "so what if he isn't mafia" seems more reasonable. Town/mafia we still win - I'd question this reasoning as there is not a lot riding on my flip except if I am mafia. As my tone says nothing for anyone else. Like if people don't like my tone and varying vocabulary, does that make them more likely to be town or mafia? 

 

I am totally not making any AtE, I'm just trying to engage Lenlo. And yes I think there are flaws in his reasoning as well but I will fully admit I'm biased there, but the main thing is to get him to fully elucidate his reasoning for all you other guys. 

 

But I don't really follow your passionate defense of him. Not sure what I make of that. I my wild conspiracy hat I'd say it would be tying you two together as wolf brothers but seems a bit heavy handed. 

[keyholder21]

11 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

@keyholder21 do you have anything you want from me before you go

 

I was tired so I didn't think anything of this last night, but this is weird?  Like, duh, I want your reads and thoughts on things in the game.

 

11 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

You caught the same things I did on Rand

 

ive got Nyn as Town. You as well

 

i think there’s some weird in iron eyes and heavy but I think it’s on Marsha end really and may not indicate much

 

dpr and verb seem to be playing with themselves again with Ed reaching thru his cage to poke at them

 

turins going off half cocked on crap all

 

itgis poking in a way I like

 

Bold - why?? I dislike blanket statements like this. I always want to know why someone feels the way they do.

 

Italics - Didn't you get after Rand for saying virtually nothing?  And now you come with this, which is virtually nothing??

 

Second bold - Misrep, imo.  How is he going all half cocked?  He is acting very different than last game, which is at least mildly concerning to me, but this is not accurate.

 

What about Ithi's poking do you like?

 

10 hours ago, Nynaeve said:

 

How about explain what the impressions mean to you lean wise? Because it's unclear for most the players mentioned.

 

Make sure you include explaining the read on me.

 

Thanks

 

Again with the townie questions, imo.

 

I'm going to spoiler Ithi's big post because this is already long enough, I'm sure.

Spoiler

9 hours ago, Ithillian Turambar said:

I'm probably gonna be accused of being 'googly eyes' but I honestly don't know why Dice seems so cross and dismissive about Turin. Well apart from the fact that Turin is voting for him maybe.

 

I thought his little comment in the spoiler box was a joke. That is usually a place where he hides his lols and funny asides. So he said 'in the sign up thread??? Lololol because he did NOT read any further in the sign up Thread. He did say he'd not bothered to join in the chit chat there. Maybe you should try being a bit less grumpy. You actually don't HAVE to blow up about things.

 

Let it be known that in the last game, Turin asked everyone to say if they were Town or not. Turin was Town.  Two people who had difficulty answering his question in a simple way were Mafia. There was no Lie Detector in the game but the Mafia didn't know that at the time. Did it cause all kinds of problems later on in the game? Heck yes. But I'm not gonna discount how Turin plays just because he's a bit unorthodox. 

 

Disagree. I find your attempt to discredit his thought process interesting though. I too believe that all game thread content is useful for solving the game and I openly agreed with Turin, and yet you do not have me as being 'half cocked on crap'. 

 

Maybe I'm just more used to his sense of humour, and understand how he plays and tries to solve, but if I had to make a list right now I would have him towards the town end of things.

 

But I'm not gonna make a list right now because I woke up too early and want to go back to sleep really.

 

But this irked me and I had to say something. 

 

 

Bold - How does the lie detector thing last game apply to this game?    I do agree that not discounting someone based on a different style of play than you is good though.  I remember reading Turin as wolfy most of the time way back in the day, but I was able to get past it last game lol. 

 

Italics - to be completely fair, the agreeing with all game thread content wasn't what dice quoted when he said town testing.  Not sure what he was getting at though re: town testing because I don't see any of that in the post he quoted.

 

That aside, I like this from Ithi because I feel like Wolf!Ithi could have easily just been quiet and let folks go after Turin.  

 

Second bold - Can we have your list now??

 

Going to spoiler this post of dice's too since it's long.

Spoiler

8 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

like I said it was cause he was carrying on about never being lynched

 

you are pure tone and gut feel. Went “Town Nyn real quick” like I’m not doubting it at all

 

as for insight. I’m not sure any of us can help with that cause I don’t think any of us worked him out. He is confusing and emotional. There was a lot of questioning and sussing because he seemed to know too much for a newbie , too many terms etc, but he was researching as he went I believe

you’re right I did

 

i was sitting here waiting for her to come back and thinking it bad that she hadn’t 

 

tbh I haven’t noticed now if she has come back. 
 

so off what I’ve seen it doesnt look good but I won’t lynch someone day one off it

 

there’s two things here

 

1) it takes virtually no effort for Turin to p me off atm and carrying on about non town behaviour is gonna do it.   I am absolutely biased when it comes to him atm.

 

2) crap all.  He’s pontificating on non town behaviour and voting me because I was playing around with heavy.  I hadn’t been back, hadn’t replied to his question or anything.  Hence half cocked.  I wouldn’t say I tried to discredit his thought process as I disagreed with it.  As soon as I do that it can be labelled discrediting can’t it?

 

First bold - okay, fine on your read, but no interaction with a town read is weird. 

 

Italics - So what do you think of him now? You said there's something with him and IE, but focused more on IE.

 

Second bold - misrep, imo. He said he was voting you based on comparison of your behavior this game in comparison to your behavior last game.

 

Last bold - what do you mean here?

 

I feel like the more I try to catch up the more behind I am lol.

[Verbal32]

7 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

it would be tying you two together as wolf brothers but seems a bit heavy handed. 

 

Does it, though?

[DPR]

4 minutes ago, HeavyHalfMoonBlade said:

I'm not worried - as I said I am trying to do damage limitation to town, and maybe even get something good out of making such a target of myself. 

 

I'm wrong to think it is not very pro-town to be nonchalant about eliminating a town player? Really? Have to say that is a hard disagree from me there. 

 

The information point is I think Lenlo is overplaying it so then the "so what if he isn't mafia" seems more reasonable. Town/mafia we still win - I'd question this reasoning as there is not a lot riding on my flip except if I am mafia. As my tone says nothing for anyone else. Like if people don't like my tone and varying vocabulary, does that make them more likely to be town or mafia? 

 

I am totally not making any AtE, I'm just trying to engage Lenlo. And yes I think there are flaws in his reasoning as well but I will fully admit I'm biased there, but the main thing is to get him to fully elucidate his reasoning for all you other guys. 

 

But I don't really follow your passionate defense of him. Not sure what I make of that. I my wild conspiracy hat I'd say it would be tying you two together as wolf brothers but seems a bit heavy handed. 

the nonchalant thing is throwing me - we gotta lynch someone or else it goes random… 

 

@Darthe if a majority is not reached, does the lynch go random? Plz advise. Also, plz give VC. And plz answer Verbal’s bastard question. Do your damn job man! 
 

Now, what’s this about my passionate defense? I haven’t posted anything about him… 

[DPR]

14 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

That you and Heavy are scum. The megapost is under construction. 

Is this for real? 

[Ironeyes]

3 minutes ago, DPR said:

Is this for real? 

Yes. Got class in 30 minutes. We'll see how far I can go. I'm building the background info rn

 

Side note, Heavy said he was town in all three prior games, but also knows QTs for mafia aren't a thing any more? I didn't notice that originally. 

[Nynaeve]

I've been massaging my left temple, while reading heavy's recent posts. Lol Trippy

[DPR]

24 minutes ago, Tigraine said:

Quick summary of pages 5-7:

Heavy is clearly the first real pressure point.

DPR is lowkey setting up a possible mislynch or wolfhunt with that group callout.

Early tensions are starting to form, especially around Heavy.

There’s a lot of emotional posting from Heavy, some mild pressure from Ithi and dice, a few jokes from DPR and ed, and Iron trying to bring a bit of analytical calm to it.

Trying to remember DPR's style.   Just find it really hard to believe he'd seem so scummy if he were actually scum.  But still in the air.

---

 

It seems like Heavy is newer to the group (not sure about this) and feels a little defensive about getting early suspicion, but is trying to lean into the fun ("I AM LYNCH!"), while others like dicetosser1 are joking about lynching Heavy for the memes.

Ithi is analyzing reactions, especially Heavy's emotional swings, and is starting to find Iron more suspicious for how they're treating Heavy. Nynaeve is being patient and digging into experience levels for meta reasons.

Overall, classic early Day 1 Mafia forum vibe:

Light jokes and memes

Some early poking at emotional reactions

First attempts to form "serious" reads based on tone/behavior, not necessarily solid evidence yet.



DPR  and his "For the players new to the game, a classic drive-by post executed perfectly. 10/10" 🙄

Weird that he failed to mention others with "drive by" posts or lack of posts at all.  But does this lead me to believe he's scum? Idk.  He's too smart to head a Bandwagon lynch on Day 1 when blatantly ignoring others...or would that be his defense when I flip town?

Vibe:
Really wishing I could read Heavy and his behavior...maybe that's the type of frazzle for new age mafia? 

Watching to see how hard DPR pushes this...and watching to see how he responds when called out for it.

 

Standing as of end of page 7:

 

Strong suspicion of Heavy and DPR. May change when I finish reading? Idk, I can't shake Heavy's game play but still can't tell if it's just because of his seemingly back and forth energy, his defensiveness at times, or if it's his norm.

 

Okay everyone, you know what to do. 
 

BANDWAGON TIGS! LET’S GO!

[DPR]

1 minute ago, Ironeyes said:

Yes. Got class in 30 minutes. We'll see how far I can go. I'm building the background info rn

 

Side note, Heavy said he was town in all three prior games, but also knows QTs for mafia aren't a thing any more? I didn't notice that originally. 

Don’t worry about class - I’ll write you a note. 

[DPR]

1 minute ago, Nynaeve said:

I've been massaging my left temple, while reading heavy's recent posts. Lol Trippy

Agreed. This guy…

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

2 minutes ago, Ironeyes said:

Yes. Got class in 30 minutes. We'll see how far I can go. I'm building the background info rn

 

Side note, Heavy said he was town in all three prior games, but also knows QTs for mafia aren't a thing any more? I didn't notice that originally. 

Dude, I have never come across any such thing as QTs but in the three games I have played/read along with they have been one of the top topics of conversation of returning players and it was me that pointed out the newspaper icon on the profile. So I don't think you can really take this piece of information very far.