90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:33 PM, keyholder21 said:

But, she is also weirdly treating Ed like a blank slot,

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Not true. I have thoughts about Ed and he's def in the deep down of my lists. I spotted his whack a mole activity today and not any real substance.

 

I'm waiting to see if a list ever appears.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:33 PM, keyholder21 said:

Why is it lazy to look at the Marsh lynch?

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Did i say lazy? I said i think it is wrong to only focus on the people who were on the Marsh train, because the other train is on someone I think is likely to be Town

 

So i think both trains yesterday were likely Town and therefore looking at just one of them doesn't make sense

 

Of course opinions differ *coughRand and so anyone who truly or even strongly thinks Dice is actually a villain would probs only look at the Marsh train.

 

So if you think it's lazy, do you think Dice is not Town?

 

[Verbal32]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:43 PM, DPR said:

I do not think he’s null lol. At this point he’s anti-town at best by not contributing or scum/3p at worst. 

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Something we agree on.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:43 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

Btw I wasn't suggesting strongarm can't always kill - I mean the mafia might not always decide to use that to kill the Cop.  Obviously we disagree on that piece, which is fine.  

 

What would I do?  If I'm scum and Dice is not - he gets strongarmed in the face that night.

 

But I can't think only of how I would play it, and neither can you.  You are doing that, though.  You want everybody to assume it only gets played one way, but that's just not the case.

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This is silly. Why are you going out of your way to avoid the obvious? 
 

It looks like a duck. It quacks like a duck. Sure, it could be Turin in a really cute easter outfit, but it’s not, because it’s a f’ing duck.  
 

But whatevs - hit me with your better explanation that moves the game forward. 

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:44 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Not true. I have thoughts about Ed and he's def in the deep down of my lists. I spotted his whack a mole activity today and not any real substance.

 

I'm waiting to see if a list ever appears.

 

Did i say lazy? I said i think it is wrong to only focus on the people who were on the Marsh train, because the other train is on someone I think is likely to be Town

 

So i think both trains yesterday were likely Town and therefore looking at just one of them doesn't make sense

 

Of course opinions differ *coughRand and so anyone who truly or even strongly thinks Dice is actually a villain would probs only look at the Marsh train.

 

So if you think it's lazy, do you think Dice is not Town?

 

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I heard that the 2nd to vote on a mislynch is always mafia. Just sayin’

[Verbal32]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:44 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Not true. I have thoughts about Ed and he's def in the deep down of my lists. I spotted his whack a mole activity today and not any real substance.

 

I'm waiting to see if a list ever appears.

 

Did i say lazy? I said i think it is wrong to only focus on the people who were on the Marsh train, because the other train is on someone I think is likely to be Town

 

So i think both trains yesterday were likely Town and therefore looking at just one of them doesn't make sense

 

Of course opinions differ *coughRand and so anyone who truly or even strongly thinks Dice is actually a villain would probs only look at the Marsh train.

 

So if you think it's lazy, do you think Dice is not Town?

 

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Are you saying you disagree with DPR's assessment that Dice is scum?

 

 

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:47 PM, DPR said:

This is silly. Why are you going out of your way to avoid the obvious? 
 

It looks like a duck. It quacks like a duck. Sure, it could be Turin in a really cute easter outfit, but it’s not, because it’s a f’ing duck.  
 

But whatevs - hit me with your better explanation that moves the game forward. 

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Look, I know you've seen some of the sh*t that has been posted over the last few games.  Do you really think it that crazy of a scenario that people might try to get cute instead of just performing the most logical action?

 

Look me in the eyes and tell me you think I'm way off base, here.

 

 

As for a better explanation, I admit to not currently having one.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 1:21 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

 

@RandA lThor I don't think it's ever a good look to say 'everyone on x' lynch is suss apart from me. Especially when you are the one who seems most excited about it being a Mafia plot. Apart from being on that Lynch, what reasons do you have for me, Key and dpr specifically. 

 

 

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  On 4/23/2025 at 1:32 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Lol forgot to do this in my rambles, even though I'd left myself a reminder.

 

@RandA lThorI'm still comfortable with my reasons for voting Marsh. As far as I was concerned he was mafia. I'm sorry he wasn't. You strongly believed Dice was/is Mafia. The people who are/were on Dice train believe/believed he was mafia. I think you even tied the vote at one point.

 

If his cop claim is true then all those people also voted for a Town and theres probably a mafia in there too. 

 

Shocker.

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Never said lazy. Bad Key.

 

How many hours do we have left to discuss whether Dice is the cop or not?

 

I mean it is Day 2. I should be glad that the whole Thread isn't burning down.

[Verbal32]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:55 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

 

 

Never said lazy. Bad Key.

 

How many hours do we have left to discuss whether Dice is the cop or not?

 

I mean it is Day 2. I should be glad that the whole Thread isn't burning down.

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Can't tell if the bold is snark or not.

 

Regardless, don't you think that's a particularly important tidbit for the class to agree on?

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:51 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

Are you saying you disagree with DPR's assessment that Dice is scum?

 

 

 

 

Look, I know you've seen some of the sh*t that has been posted over the last few games.  Do you really think it that crazy of a scenario that people might try to get cute instead of just performing the most logical action?

 

Look me in the eyes and tell me you think I'm way off base, here.

 

 

As for a better explanation, I admit to not currently having one.

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I only played in the last game - didn’t read the other two. 
 

I do not think dice is trying to be cute. I think he got caught up in a lynch and claimed. I’ve proposed that maybe he and Rand coreographed their eod back and forth because it looked like a dance to me. 
 

But don’t listen to me. Who is your town core so far? Ask them. See who comes up with something that makes sense and let’s get a consensus going. 

[DPR]

It would also help if the rest of the players showed up lol. We’re missing half the game’s worth of input here. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:51 PM, Verbal32 said:

Are you saying you disagree with DPR's assessment that Dice is scum?

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Yes. I even had a whole alternative reality chat with myself about it when I had to read through it all. It would go down in Legend if Dice did do this, but I don't think he did. However, in regard to your dislike of absolutes, it's possible.

 

But I can't lie to you verb. I just really can't see that being the case. Everything in me thinks Dice is town cop.

 

I did a whole explanation about why I think this. And I know that Rand absolutely believes the opposite but I don't know why he believes that, apart from that it is possible.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:03 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

 

Yes. I even had a whole alternative reality chat with myself about it when I had to read through it all. It would go down in Legend if Dice did do this, but I don't think he did. However, in regard to your dislike of absolutes, it's possible.

 

But I can't lie to you verb. I just really can't see that being the case. Everything in me thinks Dice is town cop.

 

I did a whole explanation about why I think this. And I know that Rand absolutely believes the opposite but I don't know why he believes that, apart from that it is possible.

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I’ve read your posts, of course, and I’m confused about the idea that dice couldn’t pull this off?

 

If he’s mafia, he just got run up the lynch pole and did what any mafia would do, right? He fake claimed cop, knowing no that either the real cop would out, or dice would have some control of the narrative for as long as he stayed alive. 
 

That doesn’t seem like legend making stuff to me. Am I reading this wrong? 

[keyholder21]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:44 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Not true. I have thoughts about Ed and he's def in the deep down of my lists. I spotted his whack a mole activity today and not any real substance.

 

I'm waiting to see if a list ever appears.

 

Did i say lazy? I said i think it is wrong to only focus on the people who were on the Marsh train, because the other train is on someone I think is likely to be Town

 

So i think both trains yesterday were likely Town and therefore looking at just one of them doesn't make sense

 

Of course opinions differ *coughRand and so anyone who truly or even strongly thinks Dice is actually a villain would probs only look at the Marsh train.

 

So if you think it's lazy, do you think Dice is not Town?

 

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Sorry, my bad.  Someone said lazy and I thought it was you. 

 

Re: Ed - he's not been "deep down" in your lists.  Pretty sure he's been null at lowest?  Yes, you did notice it but you didn't really comment other than not liking his vote.

 

I'm not sure I follow why someone would have to think dice is scum to look at the Marsh train?  Marsh is literally the only actual information we have.  

 

I can't hate on wanting to look at the other train also though for scum and non voters for 3p now that we know they are someone with an NK. 

 

Bold - I didn't say I thought it was lazy?  I was asking why you had said it, which I now know was wrong.

 

No, with his claim I don't think dice is scum.  I think having a scum gambit here is a complicated thing to pull off and he's most likely the cop. But I hate how he's playing and I can't stop myself from asking why on a lot of his decisions lol. 

 

[keyholder21]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:10 PM, DPR said:

I’ve read your posts, of course, and I’m confused about the idea that dice couldn’t pull this off?

 

If he’s mafia, he just got run up the lynch pole and did what any mafia would do, right? He fake claimed cop, knowing no that either the real cop would out, or dice would have some control of the narrative for as long as he stayed alive. 
 

That doesn’t seem like legend making stuff to me. Am I reading this wrong? 

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Don't you usually argue that the most straightforward/simplest answer is usually correct, or am I misremembering that?  

[Ithillian Turambar]

Was it like that once? I think it was. Maybe it is again, but I've not seen anything anywhere near that since we fired back up.

 

So for me, seeing a Mafia team whack it out the park again would be legendary. And yeah it would be bad for Town and all but I'd be impressed.

 

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:57 PM, Verbal32 said:

 

Can't tell if the bold is snark or not.

 

Regardless, don't you think that's a particularly important tidbit for the class to agree on?

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We could vote on it?

 

Dice is probably Town Cop

 

1 - Ithi

 

Dice is probably Mafia Fake Claiming

 

0 - 

 

Not voting: Verbal, Nyn, Key, DPR, Turin, Heavy, Len, Ed, Tigs, Rand, Dice

 

But you know what, even if everyone voted, which they won't, we still wouldn't know for sure if Dice is really the Town cop or not. Because the only way to know that is for him to die.

 

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:18 PM, keyholder21 said:

Re: Ed - he's not been "deep down" in your lists.  Pretty sure he's been null at lowest?  Yes, you did notice it but you didn't really comment other than not liking his vote.

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Last night he was deep down in the dark null spots. Now I am waiting to see if he is ever going to get a list together.

 

I have not made a list today.

 

Pretty sure you can't read my mind.

[Nynaeve]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:18 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

 

Sorry, my bad.  Someone said lazy and I thought it was you. 

 

Re: Ed - he's not been "deep down" in your lists.  Pretty sure he's been null at lowest?  Yes, you did notice it but you didn't really comment other than not liking his vote.

 

I'm not sure I follow why someone would have to think dice is scum to look at the Marsh train?  Marsh is literally the only actual information we have.  

 

I can't hate on wanting to look at the other train also though for scum and non voters for 3p now that we know they are someone with an NK. 

 

Bold - I didn't say I thought it was lazy?  I was asking why you had said it, which I now know was wrong.

 

No, with his claim I don't think dice is scum.  I think having a scum gambit here is a complicated thing to pull off and he's most likely the cop. But I hate how he's playing and I can't stop myself from asking why on a lot of his decisions lol. 

 

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What's complicated about it when you're mins from getting lynched on d1 and trying to save yourself while also attempting to draw out the real cop? It's also an open setup so it really was like zero risks for dice, all things considered. 

[Darthe]

From the OP:

 

”If the hider hides behind a target who is night killed, the hider and target will die. If that target is protected by a doctor, the target will live but the hider will die. If the hider is protected by the doctor, the hider will survive but the person they hid behind will die. The hider can be targeted by cop and doctor and role-blocker actions. If the hider is shot at while hiding behind another player, even by the strongman, the shot will miss as the hider is not there. If the hider is shot multiple times in a night all shots will miss, the hider is not there. ”

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:20 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

Don't you usually argue that the most straightforward/simplest answer is usually correct, or am I misremembering that?  

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I do, I have all game and this is another example of that. dice was going to die and he said the one thing that would save him. Doesn’t get any more simple than that. 
 

You seem distracted - I’m not judging, but maybe take some extra time reading. 

[keyholder21]

  On 4/23/2025 at 6:43 PM, DPR said:

@keyholder21 I’m feeling like you may be confusing “blank slot” with “null”. 
 

Ed is scummy as hell this game and I’ve said so. 
 

What I mean by “blank slot” is that he has contributed nothing that resembles  actual gameplay and it’s like not having a player in that slot at all. 
 

I do not think he’s null lol. At this point he’s anti-town at best by not contributing or scum/3p at worst. 

He’s definitely on my wtl 

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Blank slot seems like null to me, so I guess I was confusing that?  I guess I can kind of follow how you are using it, but I think it's a confusing way to state that you think he's null/scummy. 

 

Good to know re: wtl list.

[keyholder21]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:37 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

What's complicated about it when you're mins from getting lynched on d1 and trying to save yourself while also attempting to draw out the real cop? It's also an open setup so it really was like zero risks for dice, all things considered. 

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Because you know there is a real CC and Doc out there.  That's a complicated mess to get into on D1, imo. 

[Verbal32]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:18 PM, keyholder21 said:

No, with his claim I don't think dice is scum.  I think having a scum gambit here is a complicated thing to pull off and he's most likely the cop. But I hate how he's playing and I can't stop myself from asking why on a lot of his decisions lol. 

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Here's how I'm looking at it, and I'll use Occam's Razor.

 

D1, I thought Dice was a little scummy, and by EOD I was willing to lynch him for it.  He claimed Cop.  The most obvious thing, if I was right, is that he fake claimed Cop as anybody in his place would do.  It's pretty standard procedure for a run-up scum player.

 

If I'm wrong, then Dice is town Cop and I apologize postgame for not fully believing.  I really don't think a "gambit" of Dice fake claiming as scum is that complicated.

[Verbal32]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:44 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

Because you know there is a real CC and Doc out there.  That's a complicated mess to get into on D1, imo. 

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Very true, but the alternative is getting lynched so it's just the right play to make.

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:44 PM, keyholder21 said:

 

Because you know there is a real CC and Doc out there.  That's a complicated mess to get into on D1, imo. 

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That’s the entire point? 

[DPR]

  On 4/23/2025 at 7:38 PM, Darthe said:

From the OP:

 

”If the hider hides behind a target who is night killed, the hider and target will die. If that target is protected by a doctor, the target will live but the hider will die. If the hider is protected by the doctor, the hider will survive but the person they hid behind will die. The hider can be targeted by cop and doctor and role-blocker actions. If the hider is shot at while hiding behind another player, even by the strongman, the shot will miss as the hider is not there. If the hider is shot multiple times in a night all shots will miss, the hider is not there. ”

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Lol, we asked about the Condemner. 

[DPR]

Anything you wanted to add about the Strongman would also be helpful. 

[HeavyHalfMoonBlade]

Wait. So if Dice was the hider, false claims cop then the mafia could have just wasted their Strongarm on an empty space, if they did not roleblock him? Have three players appeared grumpy today by any chance? 

 

It seems a bit complicated but lol.