90's Action Hero Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/22/2025 at 9:31 PM, RandA lThor said:

Legit question, are we not supposed to discuss much during night to keep everyone in the dark till next day? Or is that the meta at least? That rings a bell now that you mention it like this, but not sure if that's actually a thing

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Darthe don't care.

[RandA lThor]

Gotchu makes sense. But also, even if it's legal, is it smart to not discuss as much since mafia would get some theoretical leg up since they're able to discuss everything we're discussing between themselves?

 

But also, one or more of us, most likely all town, won't be alive in the morning right, and we'll miss their leans?

[keyholder21]

I've been interrupted like 5 times trying to get this posted. 

 

lolme on the flip, It's Hamilton all over again.

 

Dice waiting until TWO minutes to deadline to claim is ridic. If really cop, why would you play so scummy during the day and leave it up to literally having to claim?? Like as town I REALLY don't understand this. That being said, probably not going to ever lynch an un-cc'd cop. But I hate it.

 

In the last several pages DPR/Verb feel like they are playing really different games than they did in the last game, which makes me feel better about Verb and worse about DPR. While I don't agree with Verb's reads list, I feel it is consistent with how he's been playing all game and I like his responses to Turin and DPR. I feel like I can understand where he's coming from. 

 

DPR has been much snarkier during night, imo, than he was during day or the entire time last game, where he was town. I don't follow the logic that Verb is Condemner, because he didn't seem to be pushing a lynch on anyone? I also don't follow on Rand specifically being GF or that his EOD looked "much". Or, how the stuff EOD makes Heavy a confused townie or how it's okay about dice waiting to reveal or that Verb was tunneling Ithi yesterday. That being said, I agree that Marsh was scummy and I agree with his case yesterday and I feel like it would be cray to be so forceful out of the gate as scum.  However, if anyone could do it, I feel like DPR could, so lean scum.

I didn't really like Rand's first posts, but he looks good since EOD. I thought his voting made sense. He didn't really have a choice but to unvote dice and vote Marsh, imo, but I hedge more townie than scum here. I also like that he's arguing not to super clear dice, not because of the not super clearing, but because it feels like a town mindset to not just accept someone immediately as cleared town that's not cleared town and it's fairly against the grain and would feel like a big swing for scum. I can also follow his points responding to DPR and they make sense. 

 

Len sliding in and then speculating on what roles will do without providing anything else is wolfy.

Ed coming in after DL to complain about other posts and that "if we don't find anything in his posts then that's on us", but not offer much of anything of his own feels on people is also wolfy af. I also did NOT get any breadcrumbing from dice? and why is Rand an "easy kill"?? 

 

Ithi moves to town lean - I like the nonchalant response to Verb, it felt like town saying whatever man, and I think it looks good that she was fine with Verb playing a different way because it would be easy as scum to agree and push someone who thinks she's scum. I also like her calling attention to the fact that people should be upset with her for being on Marsh's lynch. But, I didn't like her post about Marsh toward EOD and I don't care for her reads on Ed and Rand.  

 

Turin - Same feeling as before really. I think there is some weird logic with the votes and him thinking Verb is scum because of EOD, but ironically, this makes me think town because I think Wolf Turin would be cleaner?  He was pretty sloppy with stuff last game too and he was town then, so it makes me think town. He's also back and involved, which looks good to me. 

 

Heavy seems to want people to vote him? His switching back and forth between tone/attitude still weirds me out and makes me feel like he's scum, but asking for people to vote him repeatedly seems like a new townie move.  Unless he's really good at reverse psychology? So basically, idk here.   

 

Nyn is asking good questions and her reads list feels genuine in terms of why she has folks where she has them.  

 

Tigraine - Showing up and immediately saying dice was obviously breadcrumbing, duh, and very positive rand is scum based on EOD, wolfy. Although, I am a sucker for receipts so I do like that she provided receipts.  

 

Btw, ala sign up thread, my activity is going to go down over the new few days as my work schedule is packed. I'll be here as much as I can.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Imma make a new list

 

Verbal. Might be Mafia. Might be Town

Rand. Might be Mafia.  Might be Town

Turin. Might be Mafia. Might be Town.

Nyn. Might be Mafia.  Might be Town.

 

Dpr. Might be Mafia. Might be Town.

Ed. Might be Mafia. Might be Town.

 

 

You see how unhelpful that is? It is night. Which means one of us is probably going to die.

 

So I'd rather leave my honest thoughts than a theoryland essay.

[Ithillian Turambar]

  On 4/22/2025 at 9:35 PM, RandA lThor said:

Gotchu makes sense. But also, even if it's legal, is it smart to not discuss as much since mafia would get some theoretical leg up since they're able to discuss everything we're discussing between themselves?

 

But also, one or more of us, most likely all town, won't be alive in the morning right, and we'll miss their leans?

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If I had a gun I would shoot you myself because you have been doing the most busy night time stuff there is.

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/22/2025 at 9:37 PM, keyholder21 said:

Dice waiting until TWO minutes to deadline to claim is ridic. If really cop, why would you play so scummy during the day and leave it up to literally having to claim?? Like as town I REALLY don't understand this. That being said, probably not going to ever lynch an un-cc'd cop. But I hate it.

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Bless you, between Turn, Nyn, Verbal, and you, I feel like I'm not going insane.

 

Also on your reads overall, I'm going to borrow what Nyn said and find myself nodding along to it. Not 100% alignment, but it all makes sense, and I agree with a lot of reads.

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/22/2025 at 9:37 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

Imma make a new list

 

Verbal. Might be Mafia. Might be Town

Rand. Might be Mafia.  Might be Town

Turin. Might be Mafia. Might be Town.

Nyn. Might be Mafia.  Might be Town.

 

Dpr. Might be Mafia. Might be Town.

Ed. Might be Mafia. Might be Town.

 

 

You see how unhelpful that is? It is night. Which means one of us is probably going to die.

 

So I'd rather leave my honest thoughts than a theoryland essay.

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kk, I'll hope that we get some insight after night then, and I'm fine with following your lead and shutting up till day (hopefully I'll get some work done)

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 9:38 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

If I had a gun I would shoot you myself because you have been doing the most busy night time stuff there is.

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Aww, so honored (sry if it's actually a big faux pass, promise I just didn't know)

[DPR]

  On 4/22/2025 at 9:00 PM, RandA lThor said:

Small correction here, I posted several quotes, not several screenshots. Inb4 DPR tries to label this as misleading and a scummy action

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  On 4/22/2025 at 9:03 PM, ed2funy said:

don’t gove him this. He’s literally crying about other people being lazy and then doing it himself. 

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You’ve hit a milestone! Congratulations on your 10th post! Keep up the hard work! 
 

  On 4/22/2025 at 9:27 PM, Verbal32 said:

The level of trolling Wes is laying onto poor Rand is the stuff of legends.

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Oh stop…

[DPR]

  On 4/22/2025 at 9:35 PM, RandA lThor said:

Gotchu makes sense. But also, even if it's legal, is it smart to not discuss as much since mafia would get some theoretical leg up since they're able to discuss everything we're discussing between themselves?

 

But also, one or more of us, most likely all town, won't be alive in the morning right, and we'll miss their leans?

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[RandA lThor]

  On 4/22/2025 at 9:55 PM, DPR said:

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Why be useful when you can post a GIF!

[Turin Turambar]

OK.  Hi. I asked Darthe some questions and he gave me answers, finally ( I know you're busy Darthe, I'm just needy)

 

Turn your heads because there be setup/mechanics talk here.

 

The condemner is actually I guess a Hunter. They are looking to kill their target at night. They target a person at night and if that person is their target, that person dies. If not then nothing happens. At least unless they become a SK.

They only know the targets character name so character claiming might be a bad idea.

 

The Hider will not die if they try to hide behind mafia, so that is not a way to try to check alignments. 

 

Those are the two big things that were not clear ( at least to me) from the OP rules and setup information. 

 

I was confused so I asked. The kind mod gave answers. 

 

I think this makes me look a little differently at the people that didn't do very much on D1. Someone's game is mostly staying alive to take pot shots at night.

[RandA lThor]

V useful ty, and I'm laughing at the whole struggle between 12 of 13 players going back and forth while one person is just rando guessing the character they've been given every night. Kinda gives me Ed vibes lmfao

[DPR]

  On 4/22/2025 at 10:23 PM, Turin Turambar said:

OK.  Hi. I asked Darthe some questions and he gave me answers, finally ( I know you're busy Darthe, I'm just needy)

 

Turn your heads because there be setup/mechanics talk here.

 

The condemner is actually I guess a Hunter. They are looking to kill their target at night. They target a person at night and if that person is their target, that person dies. If not then nothing happens. At least unless they become a SK.

They only know the targets character name so character claiming might be a bad idea.

 

The Hider will not die if they try to hide behind mafia, so that is not a way to try to check alignments. 

 

Those are the two big things that were not clear ( at least to me) from the OP rules and setup information. 

 

I was confused so I asked. The kind mod gave answers. 

 

I think this makes me look a little differently at the people that didn't do very much on D1. Someone's game is mostly staying alive to take pot shots at night.

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I thought the Condemner had to get their target lynched? As in, they already know who the target is.  Did Darthe modify the role? 

[Turin Turambar]

  On 4/22/2025 at 10:29 PM, DPR said:

I thought the Condemner had to get their target lynched? As in, they already know who the target is.  Did Darthe modify the role? 

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Apparently.  Even as mod Darthe gonna Darthe.

 

You can ask him. Maybe he will tell you something  different.  I never know with Darthe. 

[Ithillian Turambar]

I thought that too. I looked it up when turin mentioned it on the thread and it says they have to be on the Lynch of their target. So I was figuring the non voters probs not the condemn dude.

 

But this messes up that thought.

 

It's just that I would have thought any modification to the role would have been explained. 

 

It seems to be a bit like my Aaron Burr who could only kill Hamilton, apart from he only had one shot. Did that actually have a proper name?

 

[DPR]

  On 4/22/2025 at 10:39 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Apparently.  Even as mod Darthe gonna Darthe.

 

You can ask him. Maybe he will tell you something  different.  I never know with Darthe. 

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We can ask - I just didn’t know if he might have mentioned it. 

[DPR]

  On 4/22/2025 at 10:44 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

I thought that too. I looked it up when turin mentioned it on the thread and it says they have to be on the Lynch of their target. So I was figuring the non voters probs not the condemn dude.

 

But this messes up that thought.

 

It's just that I would have thought any modification to the role would have been explained. 

 

It seems to be a bit like my Aaron Burr who could only kill Hamilton, apart from he only had one shot. Did that actually have a proper name?

 

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I forget what that variation is called

[DPR]

@Darthe are you at liberty to explain the Condemner role in more detail? Specifically, Is the target killed by NA or lynch? 

[dicetosser1]

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 2:58 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Dice, can you explain your read on Heavy and how it has evolved during the game?

 

I can't find much where you really talk about him except to lynch him for lols.

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confused

 

i WAS mucking around with him with the vote but as part of that mucking around I WOULD have done it too. But there was no alignment stuff in it

 

he has shifted tone from your zen heavy to manic so I can’t get a bead and I don’t understand what he’s saying most of the time

 

the one thing I was clear on was there was something weird with him and marsh and I said the weird one was marsh.

 

heavy is in my null pile cause I have no idea

 

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 3:08 PM, RandA lThor said:

I waited a while to see if this was bait and if others would agree/disagree with it, but before we have some town die, we need to discuss bolded.

 

I need an explanation on why this is not awful logic. WHAT??? does Dice lose by false claiming cop? He is literally about to die, and his only way out was to claim something. I can understand the logic of a town trying to stay alive by claiming cop and deflecting mafia kill, but assuming he's town is nothing short of absurd.

 

I agree with you on taking a closer look at Ed's timeline throughout this, but why is Verb's vote on Dice weird, do you have the bad reasoning? From my analysis, a vote on Dice over Heavy was purely because his actions were more scummy, and just because you think someone is town doesn't mean you agree with who they're trying to lynch, especially before they're proven town by anything besides vibes.

 

+1, I am a little astounded that what you're getting out of this last night is that Verbal is the one that seems most scummy? While I was surprised he didn't vote for someone and just unvoted, that unvote is still a huge town indicator if Dice was actually cop, as it's simply more beneficial for mafia to accidentally get the cop. I guess he unvoted after me, but it was going so fast that him unvoting after seeing me change votes to DPR would be less likely. Also I had a town read on him before all this fwiw.

 

Logic says we can't vote for him. However, due to the reasoning it seems all have agreed on that the cop may not counterclaim right away, he is not verified town either.

 

Will stop this post here for some attempt at brevity, but I really need everyone who doesn't agree with this (Ithi, Turin, anyone else?) to explain why what Dice did isn't exactly what a mafia would do before he got voted out. To a tee. That doesn't mean he's definitely mafia, but it sure as hell doesn't clear him as a for sure cop.

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I will tell you it isn’t exactly what a mafia would do. Mafia wait til a few mins out 5 or 10 maybe? And they just out and out claim

 

they DONT sit there trying to make you THINK and realise you need to get off them without actually claiming.

 

TOWN does if their trying to not claim when their the power role.

 

now to qualify there are some players who might do that as scum. A Cory or Tom or maybe dpr but they can because they have clout. People listen to them. Follow them.

 

i DONT have clout. Even claiming cop it’s a pretty even chance I get lynched ANYWAY. I’ve claimed doc and been lynched before. THAT has happened so much it’s an in joke here!

 

look at what’s happening here.  I claimed and half the thread doesnt believe me. The chances of me being able to get them to believe me is somewhere between bucklers and f all because I’m either going to be RBd into oblivion or out right killed. Most likely RBd cause it gives the mafia a distraction point to use

 

so fake claiming cop as mafia really isn’t much use to me.

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 3:15 PM, RandA lThor said:

Also your breadcrumbing was SO blatantly obvious, are you joking right now? 😂 At least I tried (however poorly) to make a subtle connection you could've ack'ed, that might've been missed by mafia doing a catch up. You literally were like "hey don't vote me guys, srsly don't vote me". How subtle.

 

Whether you're town or not, that was an AWFUL play by you. Slept on it to make sure, but you knew for certain there was an extremely high chance you were about to get voted out based on the activity of players around, your lead amongst the votes. And then instead of giving town the opportunity to use your claim's info, and coordinate a train on a proper scummy suspect, especially with the knowledge of your claim helping us figure tells out, you forced us in a situation where you knew most people weren't active to vote jump onto the next highest train. Either you're scum, or you're making simple mistakes, and knowing your experience is why I'm hesitant to trust you, because I will be shocked at your play if it turns out you're town.

 

And to follow that up, your reasoning that somehow my actions make me more scummy when you, the cop claim, would've died without a fuss if I wanted to, is so utterly dumb that I am once again left with no reasonable option except that you're scummy. Or you're tunneling so hard you've left logic behind completely.

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right I’m gonna get on my computer and pull together the votes. I actually shouldn’t have been in danger. I wasn’t really until you and verb jumped on. I’d voted marsh to get a break between us so should have been good

 

as for subtle…. THEY WERENT!!! They weren’t meant to be subtle they were MEANt to make you stop think and comprehend. But apparently I expected too much.

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 3:31 PM, RandA lThor said:

Agreed here, DPR is my main suspect tomorrow.

 

Do you have a reads list we can look at?

 

Good chance of being a slip honestly (though I'm definitely influenced by already thinking he's scummy).

 

Reminds me again, Dice isn't even cognizant about his nonsensical bias, his entire logic and train on me from the start of day 1 to now has been so filled with nonsense, overreacting to very normal joke votes and busy posts, and then claiming my unvote makes me scummy. Absolute lunacy if he's town, and again a scum tell since I doubt him being this obtuse this game.

 

Welcome to another episode of Dice's insane ramblings.

 

a) Good for you, useless since we don't have enough info to trust you as town

b) I literally moved to a place that would secure a lynch by the deadline, and tried before that to get momentum to someone else who seemed more mafia-esque, which has some merit since the person you pushed us to vote out was town, with the incompetence of when you claimed with no time to give us anything. And then the audacity/scumminess to use that time scramble to blame someone else.

c) Pure consolidation?? To not allow the cop to potentially go to a tie and die via RNG? I wish I had the time to read your other games and see if you were this tunnely/ridiculous as town. At face value, even with your claim, you are BLARING 

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funny how in 95% of games a in ccd cop claim gets trusted. Guess this is just one of those 5%ers huh?  Also funny how verb immeadiately started calling for a cv to happen.  But that’s normal right?

 

I will get the bus but iirc you moved to someone with one vote on him when there was a person with four? I think and there was only two minutes left. You yell at me about knowing how many people weren’t around but you did that?

 

do you even know what consolidation is?

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 3:49 PM, RandA lThor said:

Do you agree that this is exactly what Dice would've done if he was mafia? Vague claim, with no chance of ccs, and then claim the most valuable town role 2 minutes before? Not saying that this means he's mafia for sure, but if he was, this is exactly what he'd do.

 

 

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As said before this is NOT how I’d have done it. I would have just claimed it straight out and earlier

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 6:23 PM, Turin Turambar said:

I'm not putting any special weight to his opinions unless he comes out with a red peek on someone. So more the latter. If he makes a good case, I'd listen but I'm not following onto anyone without him claiming a peek. 

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this I like

 

 

  On 4/22/2025 at 6:25 PM, DPR said:

 
omfg

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Iirc this was in response to the Turin quote I have above.  Just to explain my thinking.  I like turins post because I’ve had the same thoughts. It’s why I already knew I was going to have a possible town section in my reads because I can’t be sure of any town results until the gf is dead. Now that I’m out I can just be straight up with what I get

 

if. And it’s a big if. I come out with a red peek it has to be lynched. 
 

1 because it is scum. Or

 

2 because if I say it is and it isn’t then I’m instantly outted to be a fake claim and I’m solved

 

turin is basically saying he will treat me like any other player UNLESS I have a scum RESULT.  Which is what should happen.

[ed2funy]

  On 4/22/2025 at 10:28 PM, RandA lThor said:

V useful ty, and I'm laughing at the whole struggle between 12 of 13 players going back and forth while one person is just rando guessing the character they've been given every night. Kinda gives me Ed vibes lmfao

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what if I’m actually the cop and waiting to cc dice? 
 

WHAT IF

 

(I’m not)

[RandA lThor]

  On 4/22/2025 at 11:32 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

 

confused

 

i WAS mucking around with him with the vote but as part of that mucking around I WOULD have done it too. But there was no alignment stuff in it

 

he has shifted tone from your zen heavy to manic so I can’t get a bead and I don’t understand what he’s saying most of the time

 

the one thing I was clear on was there was something weird with him and marsh and I said the weird one was marsh.

 

heavy is in my null pile cause I have no idea

 

 

 

I will tell you it isn’t exactly what a mafia would do. Mafia wait til a few mins out 5 or 10 maybe? And they just out and out claim

 

they DONT sit there trying to make you THINK and realise you need to get off them without actually claiming.

 

TOWN does if their trying to not claim when their the power role.

 

now to qualify there are some players who might do that as scum. A Cory or Tom or maybe dpr but they can because they have clout. People listen to them. Follow them.

 

i DONT have clout. Even claiming cop it’s a pretty even chance I get lynched ANYWAY. I’ve claimed doc and been lynched before. THAT has happened so much it’s an in joke here!

 

look at what’s happening here.  I claimed and half the thread doesnt believe me. The chances of me being able to get them to believe me is somewhere between bucklers and f all because I’m either going to be RBd into oblivion or out right killed. Most likely RBd cause it gives the mafia a distraction point to use

 

so fake claiming cop as mafia really isn’t much use to me.

 

right I’m gonna get on my computer and pull together the votes. I actually shouldn’t have been in danger. I wasn’t really until you and verb jumped on. I’d voted marsh to get a break between us so should have been good

 

as for subtle…. THEY WERENT!!! They weren’t meant to be subtle they were MEANt to make you stop think and comprehend. But apparently I expected too much.

 

funny how in 95% of games a in ccd cop claim gets trusted. Guess this is just one of those 5%ers huh?  Also funny how verb immeadiately started calling for a cv to happen.  But that’s normal right?

 

I will get the bus but iirc you moved to someone with one vote on him when there was a person with four? I think and there was only two minutes left. You yell at me about knowing how many people weren’t around but you did that?

 

do you even know what consolidation is?

 

 

As said before this is NOT how I’d have done it. I would have just claimed it straight out and earlier

 

 

this I like

 

 

 

Iirc this was in response to the Turin quote I have above.  Just to explain my thinking.  I like turins post because I’ve had the same thoughts. It’s why I already knew I was going to have a possible town section in my reads because I can’t be sure of any town results until the gf is dead. Now that I’m out I can just be straight up with what I get

 

if. And it’s a big if. I come out with a red peek it has to be lynched. 
 

1 because it is scum. Or

 

2 because if I say it is and it isn’t then I’m instantly outted to be a fake claim and I’m solved

 

turin is basically saying he will treat me like any other player UNLESS I have a scum RESULT.  Which is what should happen.

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I kinda hate that this post gives me town vibes lmfao. I strictly disagree with your approach still, and think it cost us the chance to move to DPR instead of Marsh, but disagreement doesn't mean you're scum.

 

Also I know very well what consolidation is, which is why I did it. I tried to make a hero move to another, more scummy player, since there was a chance that it would work out with Verbal around, and I would've preferred to vote out DPR. When I saw the chance was gone, I consolidated. To not do that, and be fine for any other person getting voted out, would be scummy.

[RandA lThor]

Let's see what we got to work with

[RandA lThor]

[Verbal32]

  On 4/22/2025 at 11:32 PM, dicetosser1 said:

Also funny how verb immeadiately started calling for a cv to happen.  But that’s normal right?

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A complete misrep and you know it.  I said they should consider it.  Allow me to pull my own quotes.

[Verbal32]

  On 4/22/2025 at 2:00 AM, Verbal32 said:

Either Cop or Godfather.

 

If Dice is not Cop, the real one should consider countering to eliminate the GF.  Not telling anybody what to do, just throwing it out there.

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Literally my first post after Dice's reveal.  Literally.

 

Oh look, it says "consider" countering.  And then I actually said I'm not telling anybody what to do.

 

Misrep and just plain bad.