Game Over - Hamilton Mafia - SMFDR's Win!

Zander? · April 7

On 4/7/2025 at 11:48 AM, Turin Turambar said:

To be fair you weren't in any of them.

Lolololololol

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Yes I was...prolly... maybe....I can't remember...

Turin Turambar · April 7

On 4/7/2025 at 10:33 AM, DPR said:

Everything you’re doing is wrong. If you are town, please consider that your radar is way off, hence all of your antics on d1 that literally doubled the page count and did nothing but help the wolves. Take a moment and maybe reread from a “who is town?” perspective.

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That erased guy wasn't wrong on Darthe. He saw the way Darthe gave bad reasoning. His problem was trying to do too many things at once and getting distracted by other people voting him with bad reasoning. So with my new town life I'm a gonna go back and take a good look at things. Starting with Darthe. I guess I have to be the one to read him for spew and stuffs.

I have to wait for Hallia and Verb anyways.

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Oh, are you willing to vote Hallia?

Gudrean · April 7

On 4/7/2025 at 12:14 AM, DPR said:

@Zander? @Gudrean is wolf. I knew it as soon as she wouldn't vote for Turin. Pretty sure she knew I knew as soon as I asked her who she would and wouldn't vote for - she's been pretty good about getting back to people and she never circled back to that. Darthe is one of the few players that I could help her pull off the game she has so far and now that he's gone, look for her behavior to change.

Let's run her up and see how she does.

@seph is lock clear in my book. He called me out on a point of honor, intended or not, and I extend the same standards to him. Enough said.

In my mind, I don't see Gud jumping on the Cass train if Cass was wolf. It would have been too easy to jump on Turin's train or even my train. Probability makes me think the Cass/Turin slot is *probably* town.

In my mind, I'm looking for a player that fits into the Darthe-guiding-Gud picture. I'm thinking it'll be an independent player and we have a few options there, each of which should reveal themselves today.

@keyholder21 for the love of all that's holy, please stop thinking I've been tying you and @Hallia together - you both just fell into similar places on my PoE, like dice and Verb, but nobody thinks that they're mafia together. It skeeves me that you keep talking about this point, but there are things you've said that make me want to see you working for town.

Wagonomics on the @Turin Turambar lynch are going t be distorted because he was, and I say this respectfully, the WOLF D1 MVP. I have no idea whatsoever wtf the plan was there, but let's all agree it was a bad idea and move on. Having said that, the last two votes do fall under the independent player category, and everybody is a suspect until they're cleared.

Is Hallia a wolf? She certainly seems to be coasting and going along with a plan. If we can sort Gud, I'll have a better read here. Honest;y, Turin muddied the water so bad that it's hard to go back and see how other people were playing off of each other.

That leaves @Verbal32 and @dicetosser1. They'll need to be around more to clear their slots.

No matter what, Darthe was playing a major role in the mafia plan, so look for departures from that.

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I responded to this many times already. Why must I respond to each person that asked it? I posted that I did not get a wolf read from Turin as he was playing like he did in his last Town game. I was right, he was Town Watcher, a great loss for us. But quite convenient for your wolf team.

What exactly does that even mean? "let's run her up"

I also said I was only hesitant to vote Cass because I had her wolfy but not wanting to lynch her D1.

Then I said I would have rather voted you, DPR, if I saw that train would happen, but it didn't.

Your quick response to my stating that about you strengthens my position of you on my list.

Gudrean · April 7

I'll be back later, gotta work today and no phones allowed at schools here.

I will give a 3 person list @Zander? after work.

DPR · April 7

On 4/7/2025 at 12:01 PM, Turin Turambar said:

That erased guy wasn't wrong on Darthe. He saw the way Darthe gave bad reasoning. His problem was trying to do too many things at once and getting distracted by other people voting him with bad reasoning. So with my new town life I'm a gonna go back and take a good look at things. Starting with Darthe. I guess I have to be the one to read him for spew and stuffs.

I have to wait for Hallia and Verb anyways.

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Food for thought, in the back and forth yesterday, Darthe poo poo'd mechanics, so did you. He was mafia. I think you are too.

Oh, are you willing to vote Hallia?

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If Hally turns out to be the most wolfy, sure. I’m open to whatever information we receive and I don’t offer passes. ATM I want to focus on Gud but we’ll see what the day brings.

Mechanics talk is bs and you know it. All it does is take attention away from people’s play, which is what we’re looking at. Yesterday was a disaster for town because of all the bs. Let’s not do that again.

DPR · April 7

On 4/7/2025 at 12:24 PM, Gudrean said:

I responded to this many times already. Why must I respond to each person that asked it? I posted that I did not get a wolf read from Turin as he was playing like he did in his last Town game. I was right, he was Town Watcher, a great loss for us. But quite convenient for your wolf team.

What exactly does that even mean? "let's run her up"

I also said I was only hesitant to vote Cass because I had her wolfy but not wanting to lynch her D1.

Then I said I would have rather voted you, DPR, if I saw that train would happen, but it didn't.

Your quick response to my stating that about you strengthens my position of you on my list.

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Lol, I’m sure it does.

“Run her up” means to vote you to L1 and see what kind of dance you do then. It can be a very effective tool for the town.

On 4/7/2025 at 12:27 PM, Gudrean said:

I'll be back later, gotta work today and no phones allowed at schools here.

I will give a 3 person list @Zander? after work.

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Wolfy dip. No bueno.

DPR · April 7

Can we all agree that mechanics talk is needless WIFOM? We know there are lots of roles in the game from the subtitle ffs, and yet nobody saw Mafia Messenger coming, so maybe just settle in to good ‘ol town clearing and scum hunting and leave the pointless spec behind?

Ithillian Turambar · April 7

Official Vote Count

HALLIA - 1 (Zander)

GUDREAN - 1 (DPR)

Not Voting: CassTurin, Dice, Gudrean, Hallia, Key, Seph, Verbal

5 votes to Lynch

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Ithillian Turambar · April 7

FYI - I have to work from the office tomorrow, which sucks.

That mean I have to be up at 5.45am my time, so I won't be burning the midnight oil with you all tonight.

They also have this dumb rule about 'not messing about on your phones at work' so I'm gonna be mostly absent until I get back at around 5pm ish my time.

Hopefully @Shad_ will be around with his Teal goodness.

Zander? · April 7

On 4/7/2025 at 12:45 PM, DPR said:

Can we all agree that mechanics talk is needless WIFOM? We know there are lots of roles in the game from the subtitle ffs, and yet nobody saw Mafia Messenger coming, so maybe just settle in to good ‘ol town clearing and scum hunting and leave the pointless spec behind?

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I spent all day yesterday yelling about it lol. To the point I felt it was equally+Ev if Wolf or put a stop to it lolololol.

Zander? · April 7

On 4/7/2025 at 12:56 PM, Ithillian Turambar said:

FYI - I have to work from the office tomorrow, which sucks.

That mean I have to be up at 5.45am my time, so I won't be burning the midnight oil with you all tonight.

They also have this dumb rule about 'not messing about on your phones at work' so I'm gonna be mostly absent until I get back at around 5pm ish my time.

Hopefully @Shad_ will be around with his Teal goodness.

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I can help you GOATess Moddess you just give me that players list alignment and I'll make sure everything runs real smoothly lolololol

Zander? · April 7

On 4/7/2025 at 12:01 PM, Turin Turambar said:

That erased guy wasn't wrong on Darthe. He saw the way Darthe gave bad reasoning. His problem was trying to do too many things at once and getting distracted by other people voting him with bad reasoning. So with my new town life I'm a gonna go back and take a good look at things. Starting with Darthe. I guess I have to be the one to read him for spew and stuffs.

I have to wait for Hallia and Verb anyways.

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Food for thought, in the back and forth yesterday, Darthe poo poo'd mechanics, so did you. He was mafia. I think you are too.

Oh, are you willing to vote Hallia?

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So did I and half the thread is everyone a Wolf or maybe just maybe the problem lies closer to home?!)!???!! LOLOLOLOLOL Mech talk is 95% of the time -EV and in a small 11er semi advance it especially Day 1 just wasn't at all needed. If you want to think about it because it helps you have at it but to most as yesterday proved it's a huge distraction and WINFOMing and when it continues non stop it's Wolfy even for a Villager.

Zander? · April 7

On 4/4/2025 at 6:57 PM, Darthe said:

Fwiw I’m still against a Turin lynch. Will be on the road at DL I think.

Cass is good, DPR is ok but hurts my heart, verb is really stinking this thread up but too late to pivot to.

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I'm pretty sure I quoted this already but prolly has at least one Scummate in here.

Turin Turambar · April 7

Whatever guys. If you insist on being blind so be it. I'll keep my spec to myself. At some point I think it will become relevant and I don't like the idea of ignoring an important part of the game ( night actions).

Fine.

Anyway I did some reading on Zander's reveal time frame and I think there is more linking Darthe to Hallia as well as DPR. Weirdly enough one strange thing with Key. I'm a little bothered by it but for a little while later.

VOTE HALLIA

Ithillian Turambar · April 7

Official Vote Count

HALLIA - 2 (Zander, CassTurin)

GUDREAN - 1 (DPR)

Not Voting: Dice, Gudrean, Hallia, Key, Seph, Verbal

5 votes to Lynch

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keyholder21 · April 7

On 4/6/2025 at 10:04 PM, Gudrean said:

I said I didn't love either of them but i thought cass was more wolfy so that's why i voted her

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You also said CassTurin was LIKELY mafia. More wolfy I can understand, but you literally said likely mafia which is different, imo.

On 4/6/2025 at 10:11 PM, Zander? said:

Crap I'm not sure if that Darthe vote is distancing or clearing for Cass FML

Hallia and DPR could be anything based on the Hallia vote even W/W because he was in no danger. But DPR on Turin increases his Wolf equity. Doesn't make him a Wolf just increases the odds.

There's min 1 Wolf prolly 2 on Turin unless Cass is Town then that might not be as true. But definitely at least 1.

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For me it depends both on when Darthe put his vote on CassTurin and why. But, imo, it is mildly clearing that darthe was around plenty after his vote and did not move his vote. I'll try to go back today and look at when he vote was and what he said around it.

On 4/6/2025 at 10:19 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Read your post again. I don't think it says what you think it says.

Just stop with the hyperbole, it makes your thoughts impossible to follow.

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To be completely honest, I can follow it just fine?

On 4/6/2025 at 10:30 PM, Gudrean said:

didn't want to have to lunch Cass D1 again and be wrong but Turin felt more town, he was playing like he did when he was town in my first game.

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See, this is different than thinking she is likely mafia???

On 4/7/2025 at 12:14 AM, DPR said:

@Zander? @Gudrean is wolf. I knew it as soon as she wouldn't vote for Turin. Pretty sure she knew I knew as soon as I asked her who she would and wouldn't vote for - she's been pretty good about getting back to people and she never circled back to that. Darthe is one of the few players that I could help her pull off the game she has so far and now that he's gone, look for her behavior to change.

Let's run her up and see how she does.

@seph is lock clear in my book. He called me out on a point of honor, intended or not, and I extend the same standards to him. Enough said.

In my mind, I don't see Gud jumping on the Cass train if Cass was wolf. It would have been too easy to jump on Turin's train or even my train. Probability makes me think the Cass/Turin slot is *probably* town.

In my mind, I'm looking for a player that fits into the Darthe-guiding-Gud picture. I'm thinking it'll be an independent player and we have a few options there, each of which should reveal themselves today.

@keyholder21 for the love of all that's holy, please stop thinking I've been tying you and @Hallia together - you both just fell into similar places on my PoE, like dice and Verb, but nobody thinks that they're mafia together. It skeeves me that you keep talking about this point, but there are things you've said that make me want to see you working for town.

Wagonomics on the @Turin Turambar lynch are going t be distorted because he was, and I say this respectfully, the WOLF D1 MVP. I have no idea whatsoever wtf the plan was there, but let's all agree it was a bad idea and move on. Having said that, the last two votes do fall under the independent player category, and everybody is a suspect until they're cleared.

Is Hallia a wolf? She certainly seems to be coasting and going along with a plan. If we can sort Gud, I'll have a better read here. Honest;y, Turin muddied the water so bad that it's hard to go back and see how other people were playing off of each other.

That leaves @Verbal32 and @dicetosser1. They'll need to be around more to clear their slots.

No matter what, Darthe was playing a major role in the mafia plan, so look for departures from that.

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Dude. You are still grouping us. I'm going to go back and grab the quotes. It's WEIRD because WHY do we fall into the same place in your PoE?? NO ONE else has us grouped together. How in the world when Cass, Dice, and Verb had ALL been less active than me???? It reeks of tying a teammate to a townie - and Hally's vote on you reeks of distancing from a teammate. I'll go back and grab all the quotes (at least 4 times to show the connection you're painting between me and Hallia. It's also weird that you put us together like EVERY TIME you make a list.

On 4/7/2025 at 12:38 AM, Zander? said:

Hmmmm I feel words unspoken here perhaps?

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I don't understand what you are hinting at, Z.

On 4/7/2025 at 12:57 AM, Zander? said:

Me thinks maybe not Verb? Darthe ATP I don't feel had any idea he was getting got last night sooooooooo unless bussing was the plan meh not sure if this is necessary or not for Scummates to do

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I agree that their interaction at EOD looks better for Verb. I think most of us had darthe as town or likely town, so I have doubts that they went at each other on thread at this time. however, darthe clearly had me confused so ??? I still don't like that Verb didn't appear to be trying to solve AT ALL.

On 4/7/2025 at 12:57 AM, seph said:

I caught up and plan on rereading to try and looks at interactions before I go to deep into posting.

I definitely read your interaction with darthe backwards... Jesus, I dont think I have ever been pocketed that hard.

I don't think guds vote is AI

Ohhhh, that...... yea I hardcore defended darthe over Turin. Thanks for the reminder, ima just vig myself tonight lol.

Darthe was on Cass pretty early, it's hard for me to even move Cassturin out of the poe. If Cass was Town, it's a easy vote to sit on since she was so inactive. I might lean T over wolf.

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Why is her vote NAI?

lol on the vig comment. I had darthe town too, but he didn't even try to pocket me, I was just flat out wrong.

Like I said above, for me it depends on when he put the vote on CassTurin and why, but I agree it's an easy vote to sit on. Especially with his "defense" of Turin to get towncred towards the end of the day.

On 4/7/2025 at 1:13 AM, Zander? said:

QFR

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What does this mean?

On 4/7/2025 at 1:27 AM, seph said:

I think hallia needs to be in the poe.

Gud

Verbal. Verbal said he would switch votes to Cass at end so we wouldn't go random. I disliked the end of his day and if he is Mafia I think I look at cassturin a little harder.

Cassturin.

You get 4.

I am unsure how to feel about verbal with darthes post last night, Do you have any thoughts on the matter?

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Don't hate this. Although I would like explanation on how you have completely cleared DPR?

On 4/7/2025 at 8:13 AM, Zander? said:

Dice's end of day is pretty meh

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Agreed.

On 4/7/2025 at 8:33 AM, Turin Turambar said:

The part about looking for Gudrean to change now that Darthe is gone is questionable as Darthe would still be in the mafia chat if history holds true.

You are the one putting Hallia in next to Key in your previous list which I wanted to show but can't find at the moment. ( I blame Zander). I bet you try to aim at key instead of Hallia, just like you aimed at Seph instead of Darthe. I think you had them grouped together as well. I really need that post. Stupid long thread.

BS about broken wagonomics. That's lazy. It isn't just who voted who, it's when and how. The fact that nothing happened for like 2 hours while it was 5-5 says mafia knew it was 2 townies and sat it out. Turin pointed it out at like 10.minutes to go, still nothing happened. I've said my peace about it. I'm still waiting for everyone to check in.

You say you think Hallia has definte wolf potential but want to settle Gudrean first will you do it the other way? I think Hallia much more likely to be.mafia. the IC thinks she should be a target. Any reason we shouldn't run Hallia up as you say?

Dice and.Verb are still in PoE, but the last bit is imo inherently false. Darthe would be fully capable of directing from the wolf chat. Now that I recall, Darthe did mention wolf chat more than once.

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On 4/7/2025 at 8:44 AM, Turin Turambar said:

This was DPR reads list from D1. I think itwas the last one. Correct me if im wrong.

First group he paints Seph and Darthe together and goes at Seph mostly. We now KNOW Darthe was a wolf. He has taken pot shots at Darthe but never seriously. It also helps explain how he got off Darthe in what I thought was a weird manner when he wasn't really in any risk.

Next, he definitely groups Key and Hallia. Then he says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about Hallia.

Shade at Cass, and leaving wiggle room to go at Dice, Verb, and Gudrean.

DPR is a wolf. Most likely with Hallia.

Imma take a nap if I can get my dog inside. I'll be back to check and see if Verb and Hallia have checked in.

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Uh, these posts are basically exactly what I wanted to say 🫠.

On 4/7/2025 at 9:07 AM, dicetosser1 said:

looks like im now 1 page behind.

as for thats it, thats all i could do while balancing work.

FYI I hate that you wans to issue non lynch passes to slots people have been sus on for wifom reasons. I think your making assumptions today.

WTL in no particular order expect the very first one 😄

Zander cause hes Zander. 😄 😄 😄

Gud. TBH this is largely a case of following DPR. I think his point about Darthe coaching makes sense. Now granted she has mostly sounded like she has other games. Her style so far is, imo, probably fairly easy to emulate as scum this early in her career, particularly with decent support. Im not completely sold here. I am going to be watching for any changes.

Cass/turin I do NOT discount bussing right out the gate. Ive played with Zander remember? And Darthes quite capable of the same. This one id just follow the crowd tbh because i feel im biased cause Turins in the role.

3rd Probably Hally. Shes just done nothing. even when shes here theres no oomf.

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No-lynch for today, so far. Personally, I want to see Turin's play on this role before I just hang it. Half of my suspicion on Cass was lack of activity/involvement which is now hard to gauge because she asked to be replaced? It's weird that you'd want to go at this position without taking that into account, imo.

Didn't you say Hally had an obvious tell D2??? Why didn't you bring up about her tell in this post I quoted above???

Zander? · April 7

On 4/4/2025 at 6:56 PM, Darthe said:

I ask not to deter the wagon, but to wonder if Cass should reasonably be available for this EOD. We need to let this thing run close to time.

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Not sure how this makes me feel one way or the other I just know it makes me feel something and I need to figure it out.

On 4/4/2025 at 6:34 PM, Turin Turambar said:

I also mean her lack of progression, thread presence, explanation for her vote, lurking. I think she just wanted to make sure she wasn't in serious danger, and bailed. Not very townie imo.

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Sorry had to quote because I legit lolololol'd out loud reading it

On 4/4/2025 at 6:22 PM, Gudrean said:

I'm not voting Turin, I think he's town.

DPR has a larger possibility of being wolf than Turin, The interactions with Turin seem to be him fighting to prove he's town so it might just be a T/T thing.

I hate to vote Cass again on D1 and be wrong but she has the least interactions of the 3 and the least solid town read of the 3.

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Like either Gud turning into a damn good okay super early or she is playing with TMI.....or both lolololol

On 4/4/2025 at 6:16 PM, seph said:

I thought about it, I figured since she couldn't hammer you she left lol.

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Sooooooo read on CassTurin now?

On 4/4/2025 at 6:11 PM, Verbal32 said:

Excellent point here, even though it's aimed at me, heh.

For me, I didn't see anything damning enough for me to vote at the time, hence me talking about being confused earlier on when analyzing the train (I think you were the one questioning me on that?).

But then he made what appears to be a 3p slip, which when hunting on D1, might be the best I've got thus far.

My pings on Darthe and seph are just 1 post as well, I don't have a "body of work" on anybody to say I think they should be the lynch.....just single posts and points that I didn't like.

Hope that helps.

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Hmmmmmmmm that last Paragraph about Darthe and Seph feel almost like one of those Wolf posts where you mention a partner and A Villager together to try and blend it in lol. I dunno about that tho I just saw it and figured I'd see what others think

Sorry these post are in reverse order and I'm not sure MQing this many even gonna work.

Zander? · April 7

@keyholder21

Please please pretty please stop making giant WoT posts....Zander is stupid and finds reading a post hard enough let alone 50 in one and it's impossible to remember everything and respond. Maybe like 5 or 6 mq together tops maybe please if you don't mind?!??!!?

keyholder21 · April 7

It's how I catch up and show my thoughts :p.

But fine, I will try to just do a few quotes at a time.

Zander? · April 7

On 4/7/2025 at 2:23 PM, keyholder21 said:

It's how I catch up and show my thoughts :p.

But fine, I will try to just do a few quotes at a time.

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No I get that and I hate asking someone not to do what they do (unless it's something I find distinctively Wolfy, which is not the case here but I've read it 3 times now and I know you asked me questions and some I wanted to comment on but literally forget when I get to the end lololololol. It's not a you thing it's a me thing LOLOLOLOL

DPR · April 7

@keyholder21 consider this me going on record saying that I held you and Hally as both possible wolves, but in no way did I say that you two were linked or working together. Hopefully that clears things up.

Everybody thinks about things the way that they will. Putting d1 reads out there is all speculation anyway, so now I hope to be less confusing.

Currently I see you as putting in a good effort into solving the game. I see Hally as a low-show and a low contributor, although handy with a nursery rhyme 😑

keyholder21 · April 7

I just had 5 quotes and lost them UGH.

@DPR - But you did link us together at least twice. You commented that you thought the scum team was me and Hallia and someone else twice, pretty sure.

I have to get to a meeting but I will try to grab quotes after.

keyholder21 · April 7

LOL on the nursery rhyme.

seph · April 7

On 4/7/2025 at 2:28 PM, Zander? said:

No I get that and I hate asking someone not to do what they do (unless it's something I find distinctively Wolfy, which is not the case here but I've read it 3 times now and I know you asked me questions and some I wanted to comment on but literally forget when I get to the end lololololol. It's not a you thing it's a me thing LOLOLOLOL

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I love how you just did this and then ask for people to not post like this lol

Zander? · April 7

On 4/4/2025 at 4:38 PM, Verbal32 said:

I find it weird you simply call my vote skeevy and not take into consideration the reason I voted, which I stated.

Any input on that, btw?

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This is to Darthe again no pressure on either and this is happening when Verb is 3rd Party reasoning locked onto Turin. I get it COULD be some light distancing but Darthes one of the top Town consensus Town reads ATP and with the amount this happens I'm thinking prolly a decent look for Verb? Thoughts peeps?

On 4/4/2025 at 5:00 PM, Turin Turambar said:

Remember tomorrow, DPR, Cass, Verb.

Min 2 wolves in there.

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QFR as I told Turin I'd investigate this if he flipped Town......lol

On 4/4/2025 at 3:47 PM, Hallia said:

he was my first sketchy read also

So i have thought he was sketchy for a long time

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I'm pretty sure tho not 100% reading back she's talking about Darthe here. She's deadset in Turin top Town and Darthe seems too Scum but she ends up on DPR iirc. This level of certainty a s correctness is GOAT level....or a Wolf with TMI...

On 3/31/2025 at 5:48 PM, Hallia said:

It's a looooooooot of fluff

But so far, Turin is probably my most confident townread because of his reactions to the claim and general posting; very much like my own and so it's a towny mindset

Lot of people not posting enough to form a read/ fluff posting so they're null

Zander

Turin

There's wolves in you/Gud/Seph/Dice tho because of the pre-reveal stuff, I just need more

Irrespective of that I actually feel ok about Seph

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This is irt to the quoted post above and again I think it's Darthe she's calling You (please correct me if in wrong)

On 4/4/2025 at 4:29 PM, Hallia said:

Interesting that no hammer has happened

Are wolves already all on Turin or is Turin a wolf and teammates are staying off

dundundun

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Yay in hindsight we shoulda realized this but is it just me or does this scream look at me I have to be Town when he flips Town Town and I didn't hammer him.....?????

On 4/4/2025 at 4:29 PM, Hallia said:

Of your team I think Verb is least likely but I could see DPR for sure

Cass pretty null

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If Hallia a Wolf there may be a teammate here.

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