What Do You Most Want to See in S3?

[A Memory Of Why]

  On 2/25/2025 at 12:52 AM, Mailman said:

Geabril could be any of the other forsaken or a combination of a few of them does not have to be Rahvin

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Or just a darkfriend, but yeah my guess is Asmodeon.

 

Ravin jumped into a position of power and founded his heram of concubines, doesn't like direct confrontations and employs traps and sneak attacks. Also they die at roughly the same time and means..

 

Asmo could fit this well I think, an ancient rock star who pined for importance, gathering his prestigious groupies. And its not like his the most courageous of.the forsaken, I can see him running from Rand like he's a murderous rabbit, sniping him with sneaky tricks.

 

Also, I'm thinking the two unknown forsaken are Semihage and Demondred..

[Figs and Mice]

  On 2/24/2025 at 8:24 PM, DigificWriter said:

 

If Ishy comes back, it will likely just be in the same body and with the same identity.

 

Resurrecting characters with completely new names and different physical appearances is a complexity that the show doesn't need to introduce, especially with the changes that they made to the Metaphysics of Reincarnation.

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Well if Ishy doesn't come back it will mean they have totally lost the plot - and much of the point of the whole story ! Apart from depriving us of a charismatic actor... So I imagine they will somehow re-introduce him , still in the same body , in good time for the final confrontation at the Last Battle. Agree the body/name changing stuff is unnecessary for the show. Though I suppose one final "body switch" will be required , right at the end 🙂

 

But then again they may totally change the ending ... if we ever get that far.

[DigificWriter]

Even though I'm a spoiled non-book reader and therefore not entirely indicative of the general audience, there is absolutely no reason to think that the show won't go the simplest narrative route with Gaebril, which is to stick to him being Rahvin in disguise.

[Mailman]

  On 2/25/2025 at 2:42 AM, A Memory Of Why said:

 

Also, I'm thinking the two unknown forsaken are Semihage and Demondred..

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I'd go for Mesaana as she is set up as basically the direct opposite of Egwene as Amyrlin.

 

Demandred is a lock.

[notpropaganda73]

I really need to see Rand struggle with his identity. It's been my biggest complaint with the show so far. How little thought he seems to have spent on Tam. The burning up of Tam's sword at the end of S2. How often has he mentioned his father since leaving the Two Rivers? 

 

I am hopeful in that regard because I know we are finally going to get some Lan and Rand with the sword. And being with the Aiel surely talk of his mother will come up. But nothing in S2 says to me that Rand has struggled with a) who he is and b) possibly being the Dragon. He's mostly just struggled with Egwene and Lanfear. A "does he love her" thrust of the story doesn't really interest me from a viewer's perspective and I think really misses why Rand is who he is in the books. There have been flashes of book-Rand in the show so far, but I mean literally a couple of lines of dialogue across the two seasons. I really need more to be honest.

 

Separate from Rand, I would like this season to finally clear up the saidin/saidar stuff, and what the modern day Aes Sedai actually know in relation to the Power in the show. I know there has been a lot of theorising that the show Aes Sedai are a lot less certain in their knowledge than book Aes Sedai, in relation to prophecies and history and everything that was lost since the Breaking. That could definitely work, but we need to see what they actually have lost - with more Forsaken on the board now, there's really no excuse in that regard. If they obfuscate yet again on saidin/saidar, I just don't understand what they are going for or why they even bothered mentioning saidin way back in the S1 Age of Legends cold open.

[Gudrean]

  On 2/25/2025 at 2:20 PM, notpropaganda73 said:

Separate from Rand, I would like this season to finally clear up the saidin/saidar stuff, 

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This has for me been an ongoing issue. The two sides of the power )male/female) and the fact that the black ajah and forsaken use a different type of power than the aes sedai most of the time.

[Wassup]

  On 2/25/2025 at 2:20 PM, notpropaganda73 said:

I really need to see Rand struggle with his identity. It's been my biggest complaint with the show so far. How little thought he seems to have spent on Tam. The burning up of Tam's sword at the end of S2. How often has he mentioned his father since leaving the Two Rivers? ...

 

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From the interviews that just dropped, it sounds like S3E4 will have a lot to do with Rand and his identity.  The cast says this episode should be a banger.

 

  On 2/25/2025 at 2:39 PM, Gudrean said:

This has for me been an ongoing issue. The two sides of the power )male/female) and the fact that the black ajah and forsaken use a different type of power than the aes sedai most of the time.

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Just going from memory, I only recall one non-forsaken to use the True Power.  This was shown in Lanfear's eyes after Moiraine slit her throat as she recovered.  

 

Which makes me wonder if Ishy will recover in a similar way only take longer because he disintegrated?  He wasn't removed from the pattern and shows up in the poster.

[Gudrean]

@Wassup Ah yes thank you I meant in the books they use the True Power a bit more. Forgot to type that hehe

But yes I am hoping to see on screen how he returns.

[notpropaganda73]

Something else I hope to see in S3 is more of the Tinkers. I personally think Rhuidean might not be as impactful if we do not have more time with the Tinkers as well as the Aiel (and their current day relationship with one another). 

[Turin Turambar]

With regards to Ishy to Morridin IIRC the Dark one kinda plucks their souls right when they die and shove them into a new body, so it isn't reincarnation like the rest of people experience, more like a necromancy or enchantment. Thus is all book stuff though so not sure how they might try to do it on show. I could it they just bring him as ishy still. 

[DreadLord31]

  On 2/27/2025 at 6:20 PM, Turin Turambar said:

With regards to Ishy to Morridin IIRC the Dark one kinda plucks their souls right when they die and shove them into a new body, so it isn't reincarnation like the rest of people experience, more like a necromancy or enchantment. Thus is all book stuff though so not sure how they might try to do it on show. I could it they just bring him as ishy still. 

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People are assuming Ishy is in this season because he's on the poster? That's not a good assumption. We are definitely getting AoL flashbacks - that could be why he's in the poster. We have no confirmations that his character is back in their timeline that I know of. 

 

  On 2/25/2025 at 3:16 AM, Figs and Mice said:

Well if Ishy doesn't come back it will mean they have totally lost the plot - and much of the point of the whole story ! Apart from depriving us of a charismatic actor... So I imagine they will somehow re-introduce him , still in the same body , in good time for the final confrontation at the Last Battle.

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I agree. I hope the showrunner and Amazon writers understand how core to the story it is that in the Reincarnation Worldview - Good always has to struggle to overcome Evil - and there is no end. Part of the ... discouragement and arc that the heroes go through is the fact that ... every enemy they defeat comes back (unless they balefire them - which they are never supposed to do, but do all the time)! 

 

 

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[DreadLord31]

  On 2/27/2025 at 6:20 PM, Turin Turambar said:

With regards to Ishy to Morridin IIRC the Dark one kinda plucks their souls right when they die and shove them into a new body, so it isn't reincarnation like the rest of people experience, more like a necromancy or enchantment. Thus is all book stuff though so not sure how they might try to do it on show. I could it they just bring him as ishy still. 

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This is an excellent point. What happens with the Forsaken is not, purely speaking, Reincarnation - since they aren't "reborn" into a new body. It's more like a transmigration of a soul directly into an already formed body. I'm not sure what you would call it - because it's not resurrection. I think in the show they used the phrase "granted immorality" about Lanfear & I liked how they pictured her coming back to life after being killed. 

[MatsLuck]

Hey all. Can't believe this account is still active. Probably been about 14 years since I've posted here.

 

One thing I'd like to see is the dai'shan aiel(sp) linking arms and singing as a callback to season 1 Tu'Authuon.

  On 2/27/2025 at 1:21 PM, notpropaganda73 said:

Something else I hope to see in S3 is more of the Tinkers. I personally think Rhuidean might not be as impactful if we do not have more time with the Tinkers as well as the Aiel (and their current day relationship with one another). 

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So much this. I actually have faith that they won't butcher it, and even more, that it will be well.done. Without the context though...it will never have the emotional impact it does in the books. I hope it comes close

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[DreadLord31]

  On 3/5/2025 at 5:48 AM, MatsLuck said:

So much this. I actually have faith that they won't butcher it, and even more, that it will be well.done. Without the context though...it will never have the emotional impact it does in the books. I hope it comes close

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I think the showrunner/writers have actually gotten a little too much undo criticism (and some of it even from me!); if you consider that they had to deal with COVID and a main character leaving the show & then with the SAG/writers strike... and when you had an impossibly long and complex fantasy book series to adapt in the first place ... I think they've done alright thus far. And I rewatched S2 - and I think it was - for the most part - pretty well written as far as a TV show/adaptation goes. 

 

My ... main beef ... if you will ... with the writing so far... is that they framed all of S1 around the question, "Who is the Dragon?" and I don't think that's a compelling question. And ... it's hard to say with viewing numbers ... if things dropped off so bad with S2 because people didn't like S1 or if people actually thought S1 was better than S2? 

 

But, all that is to say, I don't think they have enough time to give much more exploration into Tinker and Aiel culture - but I think they'll have some well-written short scenes that will help set-up that payoff a bit. 

[notpropaganda73]

  On 3/5/2025 at 7:19 PM, DreadLord31 said:

But, all that is to say, I don't think they have enough time to give much more exploration into Tinker and Aiel culture - but I think they'll have some well-written short scenes that will help set-up that payoff a bit. 

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I think that would be enough, as long as the scenes have the punch required. They've shown an ability to get depth across in a short scene or two already, the Way of the Leaf was explained very well in S1 without much time spent on it for example. So it's definitely doable. I just hope we get a couple of scenes of Aiel and Tuatha'an interacting in the current time before we get to Rhuidean.

[DreadLord31]

  On 3/5/2025 at 7:30 PM, notpropaganda73 said:

I just hope we get a couple of scenes of Aiel and Tuatha'an interacting in the current time before we get to Rhuidean.

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Honestly, I don't think we're going to get that (but I could easily be wrong since we know that Rhuidean is in episode 4!). But I do agree that they've shown an ability to "show and not tell" and get across bigger concepts in shorter scenes. For example, having Bain and Chiad beat down Avi because of Ji'eh'toh. 

 

For me, perhaps the best writing of the entire show thus far, was the scene of Ishy and Lanfear in the Tel'aran'rhiod. That dialogue was as good as anything that was in the books; and IMO actually made the viewer understand the Forsaken dynamics with each other better than anything in books. 

 

Ishy: "Are you going to betray me?"

Lanfear: "Obviously." 

Ishy: "Do you know why the DO released me first and trusts me above all the other Chosen?"

Lanfear: "Because Moghedien is insane. Graendal is a vain idiot. And the boys couldn't execute a plan even if it was set up for them on a silver platter." 

Ishy: "It's because I actually believe in the Dark. I want to break the Wheel and end all this misery and suffering." 

 

I'm looking forward to seeing if they can make the other Forsaken more 3D - we've already gotten Lanfear's motivation and we know they're going to do more with that this season (we're going to see Meiran) - she really genuinely loves LTT & sold her soul to get him to love her back. She's the worst crazy ex-girlfriend you can imagine! lol 

Isha'mael was the ultimate nihilist - and a true believer - in the Reincarnation worldview you can actually sympathize with his motivation to just have it all END. 

I'm hoping that we actually get some more of the motivations of the other Forsaken as well. Like perhaps we find out that Moghedien really is just a dark-tetrad type personality and enjoys hurting people? And Graendal sold her soul to be the most beautiful and really is just vanity incarnate. And Sammael is driven by jealously - he wants to be LTT. Hopefully they explore these things. They've done a better job than the books thus far - let's give credit where credit is due! 

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[MatsLuck]

  On 3/5/2025 at 7:19 PM, DreadLord31 said:

 

But, all that is to say, I don't think they have enough time to give much more exploration into Tinker and Aiel culture - but I think they'll have some well-written short scenes that will help set-up that payoff a bit. 

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  On 3/5/2025 at 7:30 PM, notpropaganda73 said:

I think that would be enough, as long as the scenes have the punch required. They've shown an ability to get depth across in a short scene or two already, the Way of the Leaf was explained very well in S1 without much time spent on it for example. So it's definitely doable. I just hope we get a couple of scenes of Aiel and Tuatha'an interacting in the current time before we get to Rhuidean.

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Yea I think the Way of the Leaf was well explained. They just need to show some of those scenes in the "previously on" recap thing to refresh memories. 

 

I also don't think they need a ton of background on the Aiel, but some key things would help. As far as I know, I don't think they've mentioned their aversion to swords. A warrior culture not using swords makes for an interesting quirk. And maybe they will cross paths with Tinkers so we can learn about "lost ones." They could also have Rhuarc tell Rand some of this stuff as well. Maybe give the audience a refresher on why it's called the Three-fold Land.

 

I don't think they need to spend a ton of time on it, I just hope they get those things in at least. I have plenty of complaints about the show, but I do think the took a big step forward with S2, so I'm hoping for an even bigger one this time. This show could really hit its stride this season, and I'm excited and hopeful it will. 

[DreadLord31]

  On 3/5/2025 at 9:24 PM, MatsLuck said:

I have plenty of complaints about the show, but I do think the took a big step forward with S2, so I'm hoping for an even bigger one this time. This show could really hit its stride this season, and I'm excited and hopeful it will. 

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Even if this season was ... only just as good as S2 ... I still hope they keep going! It's hands down better than Rings of Power or anything else on - even if it's just "pretty good"! 

[MatsLuck]

  On 3/5/2025 at 9:49 PM, DreadLord31 said:

 

Even if this season was ... only just as good as S2 ... I still hope they keep going! It's hands down better than Rings of Power or anything else on - even if it's just "pretty good"! 

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Amazon: We want our own Game of Thrones

 

Me: Cut Rings of Power and give their budget to The Wheel of Time

 

[Mailman]

  On 3/6/2025 at 1:00 AM, MatsLuck said:

 

Amazon: We want our own Game of Thrones

 

Me: Cut Rings of Power and give their budget to The Wheel of Time

 

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More money is not in anyway the answer unless you mean give them another 8 episodes a season using the extra money. This is already one of the most expensive shows in TV history.

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[DreadLord31]

  On 3/6/2025 at 6:01 AM, Mailman said:

More money is not in anyway the answer unless you mean give them another 8 episodes a season using the extra money.

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Yes. Do that. More episodes! RoP is more expensive than WoT and is not even half as good. 

[DreadLord31]

  On 3/6/2025 at 6:01 AM, Mailman said:

This is already one of the most expensive shows in TV history.

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 Actually, I was just looking this up and it’s not in the top 5 according to my googling (WoT is about 10 million an episode). RoP is by far more expensive (58 million an episode). Citadel reportedly cost about 50 million an episode. Stranger Things 30 million an episode. And most of the Marvel shows are about 25 million an episode. 
 

So yeah. Cancel RoP and give us more money and more episodes! 

[Ralph]

  On 3/4/2025 at 10:19 PM, DreadLord31 said:

 

I think in the show they used the phrase "granted immorality" about Lanfear. 

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I think she supplied her own immorality. Don't think needed any granting

[DreadLord31]

  On 3/7/2025 at 12:44 AM, Ralph said:

I think she supplied her own immorality. Don't think needed any granting

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It did look that way; but I think one of Moiraine’s lines in the show was something about Lanfear being “granted immorality by the DO.” Maybe I’m remembering wrong? 

[MatsLuck]

  On 3/6/2025 at 6:01 AM, Mailman said:

More money is not in anyway the answer unless you mean give them another 8 episodes a season using the extra money. This is already one of the most expensive shows in TV history.

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Yep. More episodes, more character development, world building, better CGI and battle scenes. Maybe some more characters (Semirhage)

 

I just can believe how much money they dump into a fan fic show in a beloved world vs an adaptation in another beloved, albeit less known, one.