Could WOT learn from Fallout?

[Sabio]

I'm curious on people's thoughts regarding Fallout.  I have to say I'm enjoying a lot more than other Amazon shows such as WOT and the Ring of Power.  Ring of Power is ok, but I find it disappointing considering its huge budget.  Something with that large of a budget should have a better story.   Is it simply because of the topic or is there something other series could learn from it?  I know some issues WOT has to deal with is being based off books and Game of Thrones comparisons?  GOT was made with the plan of putting it on TV where RJ never considered a WOT series when he started writing it.  It just seems to me that everything with Fallout just seems better, the CGI, less wasted time, character development, etc Fallout to me just seems more professional and of a higher quality.  

[Kaleb]

Isn't Fallout based on a video game? Is there millennia of lore? Contradictory and cryptic Prophecies? Multiple cultures spanning the entire globe? Over 2,000 named characters, including over 100 with their own distinct POV narratives? Obviously I know nothing about Fallout, but it sounds like you're asking  "Wouldn't a WoT TV show be better if it was based on a simpler story?"

Edited May 9 by Kaleb

[Sabio]

But WOT/Rings of Power/Fallout still have lore etc.  I think fallout has done a good job of putting the lore of the video games in.  It would have been easy for them to just ignore the games and have done their own thing entirely.  I understand a book needs to be trimmed, but it just seems the difference in quality between WOT/Ring of Power compared to Fallout is pretty large.  

[Mailman]

Fallout can teach WoT nothing it is very poor despite some good acting from Goggins and Purnell.

 

Beyond stupid characters making dumb decisions and huge plot holes. Maximus is a total joke of a character who is constantly failing upwards.

 

 

 

 

[A Memory Of Why]

Okie dokie 🙂

 

Firstly, I quite liked the fallout show but It's not a fair comparison.

 

It doesn't even follow a storyline from any of the games, though it pays a heck tone of homage to the games and world building.

 

It's basically a unique story in the world of Fallout, with some extra backstory from the before times.

 

Like if they made a WoT show from the end of the AoL.

[Pandemonium]

I'm not sure who runs the Prime video team, but they need work on pretty much all of their series.  Most of their sci-fi/fantasy series just aren't that good.  The Boyz is an exception because it is a purposely offensive show and is not trying to appeal to certain ideologies that seem to be pervasive in the TV space these days.  The most highly viewed shows on Amazon seem to be  masculine/testoserone fueled show like Jack Reacher/Jack Ryan/The Boyz.  Therefore wheel of time does not need to nerf all their male characters to get viewership.  

 

 Wheel of time could really have used some more bombastic/over-the-top testosterone and humor to help create some more tension and emotional connection in the show.  Stop trying to pander to everyone and let it be ok to offend some people and stay a little more true to the books.  The first season whiffed on the men so hard that it is really tough to even get people back into the show.  Even season 2 has really messed up the plot arc of Lan, as he still is not built up to be the badass that he is. Hopefully season 3 can start letting the characters be themselves.  The only agenda should be the agenda of the books, and the entertainment of the viewers. 

 

 

 

[JyP]

On 5/9/2024 at 7:38 PM, Sabio said:

I'm curious on people's thoughts regarding Fallout.      

On my side I played the first Fallout game a long time ago, but I am not very into post-apocalyptic settings (I was very much more a Planescape Torment fan at the time). I enjoyed Fallout on Prime Video very much - it was very neatly done, with a great exposition (a lot of scenes about the society before the apocalypse, which is not done in the games as far as I know ?), and characters having very different POVs and stories. The tongue-in-cheek flavor of Bethesda games is well reproduced (from Fallout, but also Elder Scrolls series from Morrowind onward - I played all of them).

 

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I have to say I'm enjoying a lot more than other Amazon shows such as WOT and the Ring of Power.  Ring of Power is ok, but I find it disappointing considering its huge budget. Something with that large of a budget should have a better story.

I agree - RoP may have lavish pictures, but the story is way too classic - moreoever, first season of RoP and WoT may have suffered by using exactly the same trope : we don't know who is Sauron/the Dragon and we have to guess... which may work for those who did not read the books, but not for us.

 

Both RoP and WoT try to enhance the exotic world feeling, by displaying strange customs - which may work sometimes (dwarven singing in the Moria) or not (ritual mourning of a Warder), but both are missing an humorous subtext and take their characters way too seriously. On the other hand, both series try for an epic - which is not the case for Fallout : not all series should have the same tone.

[Elder_Haman]

On 5/10/2024 at 11:38 PM, Mailman said:

Fallout can teach WoT nothing it is very poor despite some good acting from Goggins and Purnell.

 

Beyond stupid characters making dumb decisions and huge plot holes. Maximus is a total joke of a character who is constantly failing upwards.

 

 

 

 

Are there any shows you actually like? 

[Mailman]

47 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

Are there any shows you actually like? 

Yes, although the quality has been very low in recent times. Far too much interference by studio heads into stories and some incredibly poor writing rooms is leading the industry down.

 

If you watch the video i posted its very hard to argue against anything in it. Personally i could only get through 3 episodes before i found Fallout unbearable.

[Elder_Haman]

1 minute ago, Mailman said:

Yes, although the quality has been very low in recent times. Far too much interference by studio heads into stories and some incredibly poor writing rooms is leading the industry down.

 

If you watch the video i posted its very hard to argue against anything in it. Personally i could only get through 3 episodes before i found Fallout unbearable.

What are some of your favorites?

[Mailman]

25 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

What are some of your favorites?

Firefly

Stargate and Stargate Atlantis

White Collar

Community

Modern Doctor Who (but only the first 4 to 6 seasons)

Arcane

Jekyll

Chuck

Sherlock

Person of Interest

The Newsroom

Justified (original series only)

Buffy

Edited May 13 by Mailman

[Elendir]

Approach of Fallout is: We will focus on what fan of Fallout love about games. There will be others who will love it too.

 

Approach of WoT was: There are to few of fan of books. We need to focus on (another) tv show audience.

 

I don't think that WoT can go in same path as Fallout do anymore.

Edited September 16 by Elendir

[HeronMarkedBlade]

On 5/11/2024 at 3:38 AM, Mailman said:

Fallout can teach WoT nothing it is very poor despite some good acting from Goggins and Purnell.

 

Beyond stupid characters making dumb decisions and huge plot holes. Maximus is a total joke of a character who is constantly failing upwards.

 

 

 

 

Wot is one of the worst shows Amazon has made. Fallout is easily their best.

 

and Maximus has problems, but nothing on par with Judkinsdisgusting treatment of the characters in WoT.

[Erin D.]

We've been rewatching Fallout on our #reWoTch show if anyone here is interested in chatting about Fallout & WoT. This is the exact kind of conversation we have on that show. Mondays at 9pm Eastern on YouTube. Here's the link to tonight's episode (episode 6).

 

 

 

[HeronMarkedBlade]

13 hours ago, Elendir said:

Approach of Fallout is: We will focus on what fan of Fallout love about games. There will be others who will love it too.

 

Approach of WoT was: There are to few of fan of books. We need to focus on (another) tv show audience.

 

I don't think that WoT can go in same path as Fallout do anymore.

WoT doesn’t have too few fans, it sold over 100 million books. Do you people just say things?

 

the reason it had a billion minutes watched for its first 3 episodes is the book fans. Just like the reason s2 total only has 515 million watch minutes is that most of the book fans stopped watching.

Edited September 17 by HeronMarkedBlade

[Elendir]

9 hours ago, HeronMarkedBlade said:

WoT doesn’t have too few fans, it sold over 100 million books. Do you people just say things?

 

the reason it had a billion minutes watched for its first 3 episodes is the book fans. Just like the reason s2 total only has 515 million watch minutes is that most of the book fans stopped watching.

 

I didn't say the WoT book fanbase is small. I used the explanation, the team that made the TV show used to explain the changes.

Edited September 17 by Elendir

[Mailman]

9 hours ago, HeronMarkedBlade said:

Wot is one of the worst shows Amazon has made. Fallout is easily their best.

 

and Maximus has problems, but nothing on par with Judkinsdisgusting treatment of the characters in WoT.

Could not get past 3 episodes of Fallout just found it unbearable.

 

First season of The Boys was the best I have seen on amazon and it's been a steady slide for that show ever since.

[HeronMarkedBlade]

11 hours ago, Mailman said:

Could not get past 3 episodes of Fallout just found it unbearable.

 

First season of The Boys was the best I have seen on amazon and it's been a steady slide for that show ever since.

Then I assume you don’t like Fallout? Because it captures the game world perfectly. 

[Mailman]

40 minutes ago, HeronMarkedBlade said:

Then I assume you don’t like Fallout? Because it captures the game world perfectly. 

Never played it.

 

The previews for the show looked good though and I'm a fan of Goggins especially from Justified so went in feeling fairly positive. But I found it just unwatchable.

[HeronMarkedBlade]

2 minutes ago, Mailman said:

Never played it.

 

The previews for the show looked good though and I'm a fan of Goggins especially from Justified so went in feeling fairly positive. But I found it just unwatchable.

Well, to any fan of the games it is brilliant. One of the best adaptations ever made, frankly. It has its own story, but it really, really captures the world of fallout. 
 

you’re definitely the minority. It’s one of their highest watched and rated first seasons ever. 

[Mailman]

13 minutes ago, HeronMarkedBlade said:

Well, to any fan of the games it is brilliant. One of the best adaptations ever made, frankly. It has its own story, but it really, really captures the world of fallout. 
 

you’re definitely the minority. It’s one of their highest watched and rated first seasons ever. 

Nothing made sense. Maximus grated from very early. Pretty much everything I hated and more was covered in the video I posted and from the recap of the episodes after I gave up the show only sounded like it got worse.

[HeronMarkedBlade]

It made perfect sense if you played the games, but even most people I know who don’t play games at all still loved it. It’s my sister’s favourite new show. My wife loved it. 
 

to each their own, but imo it’s beloved for very good reason. 
 

And Maximus is supposed to grate on you. He’s a kid with no education who grew up in a military cult. He’s extremely confused and doesn’t understand the world around him. 

[Mailman]

28 minutes ago, HeronMarkedBlade said:

It made perfect sense if you played the games, but even most people I know who don’t play games at all still loved it. It’s my sister’s favourite new show. My wife loved it. 
 

to each their own, but imo it’s beloved for very good reason. 
 

And Maximus is supposed to grate on you. He’s a kid with no education who grew up in a military cult. He’s extremely confused and doesn’t understand the world around him. 

Early things that made no sense to me

 

Mech suits power levels are all over the shop.

Maximus can throw a chunk of wall KMs into the distance yet when trained knight punches bear zero effect. Capable of flight yet cannot break flimsy wooden deck.

No one realising that entire 2nd shelter has been replaced by entirely different people. Despite having contact with them.

Person who attacked shelter does not collect scientist despite him being in walking range of shelter. With him actually dining with purnell on her first night out of the shelter.

Ghoul not killing Maximus in the mech suit despite apparently knowing how to later in the series.

Leader of shelter invaders giving choice of death of his daughter or his citizens then locking her up and letting citizens go?

Radiation seems to be a forgotten element once purnell goes topside.

 

There is loads more since it been a while since i saw it.

[Jaccsen]

On 5/13/2024 at 10:44 AM, Mailman said:

Firefly

Stargate and Stargate Atlantis

White Collar

Community

Modern Doctor Who (but only the first 4 to 6 seasons)

Arcane

Jekyll

Chuck

Sherlock

Person of Interest

The Newsroom

Justified (original series only)

Buffy

 

Great list!

 

You should check out the following:

 

Eureka

Burn Notice

Warehouse 13

12 Monkeys

For all Mankind

Silo

Babylon 5

[Jake Sykwalker]

Burn Notice is one of those sneaky good shows.  Kind of like MacGuyver meets Magnum PI and the A-Team, but with Bruce Campbell playing a Secondary character.  Its 'science' is very sketchy at times, but at least attempts to be close to realistic.  It is really carried by its actors and how well they work together.   

 

There is a funny theme in the show where the Lead Character can speak all kinds of different languages fluently because he is an uber spy, but he can't speak a word of Spanish.  The show is set in Miami.  🙂

 

Babylon 5 is one of the best SciFi TV shows of all time.  It isn't for everybody, but if you appreciate hard SciFi it is a good one.  

 

The first season of Daredevil was pretty good.