You're In Good Hands: The Beau Tomteer Law Firm Mafia GAME THREAD

[Kaylee]

42 minutes ago, Andrej said:

BTW I’m leaving tonight and flying to NYC for the weekend. Anniversary trip. The mods already know but I figured I’d share since I won’t be around maybe at all depending on how busy we are.

 

 

 

Congrats on Anniversary btw 

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Leno (1) - Leno 

 

Not Voting (5) - AJ, Kat, Dice, Cass, Darc, Illian, Nyn, Seph

 

Dec 9th at 9pm EST

Edited December 7, 2018 by Kaylee

[Lenlo]

4 minutes ago, Andrej said:

I don’t get your first point? I’m saying this is a stupid move for you if you are scum. You might get elected today and put me on, maybe even get me lynched. But what then?

 

What is there to say about Nyn that hasn’t been said already? I said I wanted to wait. It’s been more than a week now since the game started and still no strongTown!Nyn showing. There’s really not much else to discuss

 

I get that you wanna try and hammer me right now, but stop trying to nitpick everything I say because it’s not productive.

Maybe there was a mis-com on that top point. I thought you were saying that, lynch your or not, is a lose/lose for me. As in no matter how this shakes out, town loses. I disagreed. If that isn't what you were saying, then consider that my B.

 

As for nit-picking shrug, maybe if more than 4 people were playing this game I would. As is, not much is happenin. Sorry.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Katiora said:

 

I'm not on a team with Nyn, i'm not on a team with anyone. Though honestly I think Nyn may be a good case for today to look at. Lenlo I think your case is based on conjecture and misconstrued comments, I don't know that AJ is scum or town, but trying to pair us together is laughable. Right now I'm thinking I will most likely vote Dice for accuser unless something changes by 5pm cst to change my mind. 

 

 

Im... not pairing you together? Your both just wolf-reads right now. The top ones I am willing to lynch. Im not making a case that your on the same team. I will re-evaluate everything once another wolf flips. As of right now, I think your both the most likely wolves out there.

 

I appreciate the pop in comment on it though. Maybe give some of your own thoughts though instead of hedging?

[Katiora]

1 minute ago, Lenlo said:

 

I appreciate the pop in comment on it though. Maybe give some of your own thoughts though instead of hedging?

Maybe read the rest of my post where I actually put some thoughts instead of just picking out the one part where I didn't? 

[Lenlo]

Considering the part I commented on was at the end, I would have to read the rest to get down to it.

 

All you do in that post is A) Explaining why you didn't lynch D1. and B) Comment on Penguins lynch while non-commitally referencing a possible Nyn lynch. 

 

You arnt pushing anything. You arnt casing anything. You hedged on Nyn through that entire post. I stand by what I said.

[Nynaeve]

vote: dice

[Illian Tear]

1 hour ago, Katiora said:

 

I'm not on a team with Nyn, i'm not on a team with anyone. 

 

 

This can be taken as a very SK statement.

[Lenlo]

10 minutes ago, Illian Tear said:

This can be taken as a very SK statement.

Well this is a 13er, so my understanding is there is no 3rd Party. 3 wolves, 10 town, 1 cop.

[Lenlo]

Im cool with Dice being the accuser btw, he is a good choice if I cant get AJ.

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Leno (1) - Leno 

Dice (1) - Nyn

 

Not Voting (7) - AJ, Kat, Dice, Cass, Darc, Illian, Seph

 

Dec 9th at 9pm EST

 

[Andrej]

2 hours ago, Kaylee said:

Congrats on Anniversary btw 

 

Thank you! 3 years.

 

ill send a post card from NYC

[Kaylee]

I celebrated 5 years last weekend. 

[Andrej]

1 hour ago, Lenlo said:

Im cool with Dice being the accuser btw, he is a good choice if I cant get AJ.

 

You didn’t answer my question IRT Seph/Cass

[Andrej]

2 hours ago, Katiora said:

Maybe read the rest of my post where I actually put some thoughts instead of just picking out the one part where I didn't? 

 

Do you think Len is Town?

[Lenlo]

28 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

You didn’t answer my question IRT Seph/Cass

About why those two? Because Dice is a town read, and I trust Seph more than I do Cass. Was that not obvious?

[Lenlo]

So Dice. Who would you accuse? Whats goin on bud?

[dicetosser1]

7 hours ago, Illian Tear said:

I abstained because I didn't fully believe Penguins to be wolf.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Illian Tear said:

And I purposely abstained because if I just flat out said no that could've been taken as wolfy, which we all should know I'm not.

 

dude ure clear unless we get to f3 and ure still alive and madness ensues.

 

relax.

 

this is the perfect time for you to practise ure casing. Gimme ure thoughts on the other players please but with a bit of depth at least not just one liners if you know what i mean

 

 

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Lenlo said:

Probably 2 wolves, its a 13er.

 

What worry do you have about being seen as a wolf? Your peeked. Stop caring about that. Heck, I don't care if I look like a wolf cause im just trying to solve, and im not peeked.

 

illians very very new len. probably less then 5 games at a guess.

 

3 hours ago, Lenlo said:

Im cool with Dice being the accuser btw, he is a good choice if I cant get AJ.

 

do me a favor? i dont think aj will end up on the block today so can u    kinda (not totally)  ignore him and dig in and case some others? Right now the only things i can remember coming from u is pushing aj and u didnt want to lynch nyn d1.  you may have done but in my head its kinda like the volume gets turned off for everyone but turned up to 11 for anything AJ related, meaning i have no idea right now what ure thoughts on players other then me and aj are right now.

 

Are you still in the same place re nyn? WHY do you trust seph more then cass? etc etc.

 

 

[Lenlo]

1 minute ago, dicetosser1 said:

illians very very new len. probably less then 5 games at a guess.

 

Ah, makes sense. My B

[Lenlo]

2 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

do me a favor? i dont think aj will end up on the block today so can u    kinda (not totally)  ignore him and dig in and case some others? Right now the only things i can remember coming from u is pushing aj and u didnt want to lynch nyn d1.  you may have done but in my head its kinda like the volume gets turned off for everyone but turned up to 11 for anything AJ related, meaning i have no idea right now what ure thoughts on players other then me and aj are right now.

 

Are you still in the same place re nyn? WHY do you trust seph more then cass? etc etc.

 

 

I was perfectly fine with lynching Nyn D1. I didn't really have any comment to her one way or the other. She had no posts, so I had no read.

 

As for AJ, he was my main thing D1, yeah. My other one for today is Kat who I think is a good option. For leaving AJ alone, sorry but I can't do that. I will gladly spread the net and check out other people, but I am not going to let this go. Sure I may look like an idiot when this is all over, but if that happens I just wont play for a year and wait for it to be forgotten again ?

 

For Nyn, she has wolf equity. I think if she flips wolf, it reflects poorly on AJ and he moves even further down my list. Undecided if AJ flips wolf how they would affect her slot. He could have been avoiding reading a towny for cred if she flips, but I am undecided on that.

 

Seph seems earnest to me. There is a level of effort, of honest work, in his posts that I like. I think he is tunneling a bit on Darc, but I also think his team would tell him off for that in QT probably if he was a wolf. Basically, I don't see that kind of volume and effort comin from a wolf when there are easier pushes out there.

 

 

[dicetosser1]

2 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

So Dice. Who would you accuse? Whats goin on bud?

 

im thinking over nyn.  shes voted for me to be accuser TWICE. Part of me says it could be a suicide move like pengy did but that doesnt seem like the nyn I know and love.

 

part of me wants to put one of you and aj up just to shut that argument up but i really dont think it will be productive. theres equity for it to be t/t w/w or W/t.   we lynch one and odds are good we get the wrong one.

 

Darc doesnt seem to be carrying on as she started   which according to her meta as explained by trip or clov    cant remember which   which is a bad thing usually.

 

seph i cant wrap my head around.  You like him but i cant understand him. im just not getting his arguments.

 

i REALLY need @Katiora to step up.  Kat its still friday there noiw right? and we're gonna lose you for the w/e as per usual i expect. So i REALLY need you to dig in and give game thoughts on players.  Right now Kat is very much on the table.

 

 

have i missed anyone?

[dicetosser1]

oh i missed cass

 

im thinking shes town. But PLEASE make ure own decisions there and dont take my thoughts on it.

[Nynaeve]

4 hours ago, Lenlo said:

Im cool with Dice being the accuser btw, he is a good choice if I cant get AJ.

 

43 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

So Dice. Who would you accuse? Whats goin on bud?

 

 

You'd be cool with it solely on your read on him independent of which direction he takes it?

[Nynaeve]

40 minutes ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

im thinking over nyn.  shes voted for me to be accuser TWICE. Part of me says it could be a suicide move like pengy did but that doesnt seem like the nyn I know and love.

 

Prepare for your world to turn upside down.

[Nynaeve]

18 hours ago, Lenlo said:

Shocker, Chris was killed. Who woulda guessed. He was startin to see with me on AJ to. Well I must lead in your place my friend.

 

 

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Page 1-5:
Lots of jokes. Chris comes out with the first real game post trying to explain a good strat for the new accuse mechanic. (+1)

Chris also brought it up, but AJ's weird TMI assumption that he wasn't peeked. To early to be a slip, but it pings (-0.5)

Seph says to vote our wolf reads. Why? This gives them power. Just not understanding how it works? Following posts make this seem just a slip up. I don't think Seph would be able/willing to risk such a play as faking confusion. What would it accomplish? Assuming anyone read the rules, it would only paint a target on him. 

Page 6-10:
Lots of jokes goin on still. Lots of mechanics talk. Chris trying to force people to find town/wolves, worry bout mechanics later (+1).

Page 7, Darc fishing for cop here? Asking how Seph would know he was town he Seph just asked a question (-1)

Dice not making up a read on Penguin, could be avoiding judging a teammate or just being honest. UPDATE: With Penguin flipping town, this looks better for Dice imo. Wolf could easily have made up a town read here. (+1)

Page 10, Penguin questioning the town reads on AJ. If penguin flips wolf, could look good for AJ, but he wasnt a wolf

Tripped says Darc has trouble being active as a wolf, and they are comfy in thread. Tripped flipped town, so this is an honest read. (+1 for Darc)?

Hallia says a solid core is Chris/Me/Cass/AJ, odds are there is a wolf in there. So (*) for Cass and AJ. Nyn also pops in

Page 11-15:
Hallia repeats an AJ town read. Also mentions Dice, so worth looking into people she is mentioning specifically. Also Hallias "I hope we are on the same team (town)" should have been a dead give away.

Need to watch Darcs posting. Tripped says their activity dips as wolf as the game goes. Cass seems to be poking around the thread a lot, asking multiple people questions (+1)

Dice reads list. Mentions Hallia scares him, first mention of Hallia distrust? Good thing for Dice (+1). Could be hedging, but its the first mention of someone distrusting her.

Kat really checks in now. AJ Hot Takes Dice, says he is grumpier as Wolf. Worth thinking about on flips (?)

Kat friending up the big players AJ and Chris with how she wants to read them town? 

Page 16-20:
Page 17, the infamous AJ defends Nyn post. Still looks bad to me, there was basically no pressure on Nyn (-1). Also AJ said was ok with a "Back to front" lynch order of Hallia/Nyn/Me/Darthe/Bwn. So he was soft defending Hallia here to (-1).

Penguin being pedantic with what a lie detector is and not really contributing (-1). Page 18 he also dodges telling who he would accuse, taking note if he ever returns to this like he said he would (#). Continues to bog down the thread with polygraph talk. 

Here I go in on AJ. Chris is walking through it, not immediatly shooting it down and heading in on what could have been an easy lynch. Tryin to understand (+1). Seph seems to be soft-defending AJ here a bit.

Page 21-25:
Darc says he wouldnt accuse me, and he also places Hallia on the end of his "Would accuse" list. Its oddly ordered imo. AJ Also comes back at this point.

Penguin comes in and says he hasnt read, but he is posting so... why? (-1) Faking activity? AJ reacting poorly to my post on him and Nyn imo. Very defensive over what was a light poke. (-1)
Seph is lazer focused on Darc here. I dont see them as teams, because Seph could easily let Darc rest here. He has made his point and distanced from him, but he just keeps going in. I like it. (+1)

AJ also brushes off Sephs raised point of why he isnt extending the same courtesy to Penguin. Could see an AJ/Penguin team. Dice pops in here, but doesn't really comment on anything. Goes out of his way to say he has an opinion on me/AJ but doesnt give it until someone asks for it.

Im not seeing the same things in Cass as I did on first read-through. Lots of activity, lots of surface level spreading the talk around.

Page 26-30:
Cass says she has good reads on Dice, AJ, Kat and Hallia. Yet Hallia flipped wolf. Why does Cass have a town read of her if she is good at reading her? (-1). The only thing really hanging in there for me on Cass is activity and spread out chatter. I like it, but sometimes it feels surface level. (+1)

Some serious salt between Darc and Penguin. I doubt they could be on a team together. Darc speaking out against Hallia here before her lynch. Good look (+1).

AJ Misreps my argument with him here, saying it was about going after Nyn and not him (-1). Hallia does a lot of sadling up to people here. Me, Chris, Nyn. Grouping us all together here. Would she go all town, or lump in a teammate in there? If so its probably Nyn (-.5) over Chris.

Cass has Penguin and Hallia in her WTL here. If Penguin flips wolf, thats a good look for her UPDATE: Wasnt a wolf. AJ isnt taking the easy push on me with Cass's leading question about me "hasnt given other reads" aspect. He is thinking it out (+1). Hallia gets salty at Darc for calling her a trash read. Curious if this means anything one way or the other (?).

Kat doesnt want to lynch Chris, AJ, Nyn or Hallia. We already know Hallia was a wolf. Makes it known how open to being persuaded any way she is (-1). Chris makes it known Kat responds to pressure. So heres pressure. Chris's post here about Darc and Penguin once again makes me think they arnt on a team together (?). Nyn says she will catchup tom.

Chris makes the big push on Hallia (+2). No lynch without this imo.

Page 31-35:

Cass scalls out Penguin for providing 0 reads. (+1 Cass, -1 Penguin). More lolcatting from Penguin.

Hallia gets lynched. No vote from Cass (-1), Kat (-1) or Penguin (-1) and a No from AJ (-1). Yes from Darc, Dice, Nyn, Seph and Chris (+1 to all).

AJ Mentions putting Penguin on the stage right at the start, based on flip could be bad or good UPDATE: AJ Put Penguin on the slab from the beginning. If Penguin was a wolf, this would look good for him. Penguin wasnt a wolf. Penguin also immediatly defends. Suddenly a lot more interested in the game with the Hallia flip. Then removes self from game for awhile. 

Fighting between Penguin and AJ, looks good for AJ if he flips wolf, but could be distancing UPDATE: Flipped town, so not distancign.. AJ coming out the gate with lots against Penguin. Feels a bit out of nowhere. 

Page 36-40:
I swear to god, why do people keep thinking im a woman? Is my ass just that nice? Dice being nitpicky on Chris. This just seems idiotic for a wolf, at this point. (+1)

Penguin is actually posting and caring today. Tentative (+0.5) cause of activity, but this could easily be "scared straight" by Hallia going down so early. AJ says that if Nyn is a wolf, it looks bad on me, yadda yadda, stupid post (-1)

AJ saying that Penguin not around to vote means Hallia was likely bussed. If Penguin is a wolf, this is bad for AJ. UPDATE: Wasnt a wolf, so not bad for AJ. 

Page 41-45:
Ill admit to skimming more and more the closer I get to more recent content.

The post by Kat on page 41 feels like damage control. I have no basis for this, just gut. (-1). Kat continues to ask people their thoughts, never offering her own. Chris noticing Kat to. Seph though is just putting in so much effort here. He doesn't seem the type to do this as a wolf. I like it (+1)

Lots of back and forth with Penguin. Im all for this lynch. Everyone ganging on Penguin now. Based on flip, could be interesting. 

Page 46-50:
Page 51-52:
I outright skimmed these. I know what happened in them. Here is where I am at. 

Follow to the ends of the earth.
 

 

 

Illian - Peeked Town

 

Would not lynch
dicetosser1 - +4
seph - +3

 

Would prefer not to lynch
Cass - +2 *
darc-star - +2

 

Would accept lynching
Nynaeve - +0.5

 

Would accuse 10 times out of 10
Katiora - -3
Andrej - -5.5 *

 

Lots of abstains here. Not good. Wager there is atleast one wolf in there probbaly. Feel comfy goin after Kat and AJ though.

 

I apologize if this fails to spoiler correctly.
 

 

I'm not a huge fan of this post, btw.

 

The reaction to Clov getting nked sounds pretty fake coupled with the heroic offer to lead in his place lol... and dropping in that Chris was beginning to gravitate towards AJ too makes it seem as if you're trying to associate it with his death.  I don't know what was Chris' stance irt AJ... but he was taking a leadership role in the game and that is prolly what got him killed. Any scum worth their salt would off Chris early on.

 

The rest... eh. I mean you kinda vomit this whole thing 3 minutes after day starts, but I'm not entirely convinced it's earnest work. I've done busy work as scum various times. This feels more like it's for show than real scumhunting.

 

My only pause is that I don't think I've seen you do this in the past as scum. Doesn't mean you're not capable of it, but it's a question mark for sure.

[Katiora]

1 hour ago, dicetosser1 said:

 

im thinking over nyn.  shes voted for me to be accuser TWICE. Part of me says it could be a suicide move like pengy did but that doesnt seem like the nyn I know and love.

 

part of me wants to put one of you and aj up just to shut that argument up but i really dont think it will be productive. theres equity for it to be t/t w/w or W/t.   we lynch one and odds are good we get the wrong one.

 

Darc doesnt seem to be carrying on as she started   which according to her meta as explained by trip or clov    cant remember which   which is a bad thing usually.

 

seph i cant wrap my head around.  You like him but i cant understand him. im just not getting his arguments.

 

i REALLY need @Katiora to step up.  Kat its still friday there noiw right? and we're gonna lose you for the w/e as per usual i expect. So i REALLY need you to dig in and give game thoughts on players.  Right now Kat is very much on the table.

 

 

have i missed anyone?

 

 

Honestly this game I don't know that you'll get a lot of thoughts from me. I've said this repeatedly. And I haven't seen anyone do any better honestly, I hate the way the system of this game works. I hate it. (sorry cory) I can't scum hunt like this. EVERYTHING is conjecture. I have nothing to go on. We have one person's case to build something on. Both times the person building that case has been NK'd. Last night hardly anyone bothered to vote at all. How the heck am I supposed to build a case from that? The only person posting real accusations in the thread is Lenlo and I think he's way off base. I also think he's probably town, but that doesn't make what he says any truer. In fact that just means he's more likely to have no clue what's really going on just like the rest of us. This is honestly the most frustrating game I've ever been in as town. And I hate it. I think it would have been better if they cop hadn't made such a big target of herself D1 and gotten killed. At least at some point we could have built a town core. But as it sits I have no clue what to do. 

 

 

Vote: Dice