You're In Good Hands: The Beau Tomteer Law Firm Mafia GAME THREAD

[Lenlo]

Then lets try and be reasonable about this.

 

Whats your push today? Where do you go? Who do you accuse and why? I said I could be talked out of this. Just that it would be a Herculean effort.

[Lenlo]

Also, your really hung up on the word convoluted for some reason.

[Lenlo]

Well im going to bed. See you tomorrow.

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Leno (1) - Leno 

 

Not Voting (5) - AJ, Kat, Dice, Cass, Darc, Illian, Nyn, Seph

 

Dec 9th at 9pm EST

Edited December 7, 2018 by Kaylee

[dicetosser1]

its not working tho it did visually shift kaylee

[Kaylee]

Just now, dicetosser1 said:

its not working tho it did visually shift kaylee

Looks good to me. (I had the wrong tag at first)

[dicetosser1]

hmm it is now.  thats weird   i literally watched the code change but the pic didnt display   when i refreshed the page with ure comment it suddenly did.

 

 

oh well

 

 

ty!

[Kaylee]

Welcome

[darc-star]

On 12/5/2018 at 2:55 AM, seph said:

Darc is there any reason you are not following up with me towards anything? I need to check what your doing with penguin but It honestly feels like your just carrying over your d1 reads with 0 evaluation after a wolf flip.

i have tried to engage you multiple times and it seems you ignore my responses and in turn just end up accusing me of the exact same thing and it’s rather irritating.

 

if I missed anything in my quotes from earlier you keep bringing up please show me because I don’t appreciate the low blow earlier. And I’m pretty sure I got your two reads from your day 1 before I asked you.

 

Mostly because i haven't had time to reread, so I'm not certain on anything

Partly because I rarely make actual pushes myself 

And because i felt it was clear who my top scum reads were

 

I'm not ignoring your answers, but I'm also not going to quote them just to say "ok"

I answer when I'm asked what my side is, you respond and tell everyone your side

Without me going back and collecting posts, i can't really add anything else

 

On 12/5/2018 at 2:58 AM, Cass said:

 

<.<

Looks red to me...

Why Dice over yourself?

 

Because i don't have time or energy for that kind of responsibility

I mean, I'd obviously have tried if I'd been asked, but it's not something i want to have to do

And who else would even join? Lol

Even Chris was only voting me for reactions

 

I think i trust dice, and i liked where he was looking

 

On 12/5/2018 at 3:30 AM, Cass said:

 

I mean mechanical as in game-savvy approach/understanding Eg. logically working through the background links of the game - possible partners from early on etc. 

 

I feel like you and Tripped (and many others here) are of that ilk, and so I find it surprising/unusual when you'd bypass supporting that for someone like

 

When someone like Tripped/Clov is available.

 

I liked this thinking a lot

Not sure if it's ai or not though

I guess it falls under trying to understand len, which is towny

 

On 12/5/2018 at 3:48 AM, Katiora said:

 

Darc what is your thoughts on Seph. I have played very little and don't have much of a read. I like that they have been here some and had decent content earlier in the game. Honestly I need to go back and completely re-read yesterday, it's all a blur, but what has put Seph so low on  your list? 

 

Well, i need to go back and read it again myself, to check for self bias

He seems irritated every time i mention my argument against him though, so I'd rather reevaluate it before repeating it

 

On 12/5/2018 at 8:38 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

 

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Breathe in for luck,
breathe in so deep,
this rand is blessed,
you vote with me.
Night phase is wild,
so long and trilled,
these scum they race,
to make their kill.
Your word are smooth,
as I read them,
we're doing fine,
and doing nothing at all.

 

My hopes are so high,
that the scum might kill me.
So won't you kill me,
so I die happy.
My life is yours to take or leave,
And I'll get buried,
or agonize some more,
which ever you prefer.

 

Their words are hush: "lets not get outed;
just lay low here, not investigated".
Safe in here from all the stupid questions.
"hey did you lynch scum?"
Man, that is so dumb.
Stay pushy, stay loud, stay happy as town...
so we can kill some.

 

My hopes are so high,
that the scum might kill me.
So won't you kill me,
so I die happy.
My life is yours to take or leave,
And I'll get buried,
or agonize some more,
which ever you prefer.

 

Hands down this is the best phase I can ever remember,
I'll always remember the sound of the tinfoil,
the dim of the soft reads,
the worries in the thread that maybe Chris isn't town
and the fear on their faces when we saw Trip's
accusing of Hallia.
The case was great
and the choice was few, so we voted
and I waited.
And you came in the thread with your hands over head
and you read me as a townie.
And I knew that you meant it,
that you meant it,
that you meant it,
and I knew,
that you meant it,
that you meant it.

 

 

 

Hands down that was the best version i can ever remember

 

On 12/5/2018 at 11:00 AM, Clovdyx said:

As a reminder, this is a V+ 13er.  We find seven townies, we win the game.

 

Tripped/Illian makes two

I make three - unless omebody wants to say I'm deepwolfing the hell out of it.

Really don't think Darc is ever teamed with Hallia.

Don't think Dice is.

 

Find two townies, lock it.

 

Sounds so easy like that

 

7 hours ago, Lenlo said:

My lynches for Today: AJ or Kat, if that wasnt obvious. Follow me to victory.

 

Lenlo

 

Didn't quote the big post for obvious reasons

Appreciate the effort

Would argue that the points are a bit subjective (and not accounting for grades of plus and minus)

 

Did the reads you ended up with match what you had before doing it?

Also wondering why you left the bwn stuff in there with an edit afterwards

I think i know the reason, but it's not how i would have accounted for it

 

6 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

Id like to hear from the abstainers why they didnt vote.

 

 

 

I kept arguing with myself about it before giving up and sleeping

 

Like, going just by those arguments, i might have selected no

Going by the thread, maybe yes

Going by what's ai for bwn, probably abstain

And his argument did seem to come from a pro town place, and i know he wanted to die and said he couldn't be more helpful, but just staying alive is towns job

But then if i voted no, it's just a waste of a possible lynch and I'd have hated scum skirting by just by actually performing when it most mattered

But also him telling us to vote yes made me not want to

And so on

 

5 hours ago, Lenlo said:

 

I also wasn't smearing you there. You legitimately tried to paint Nyn and I as teammates with something that ridiculous. Chris also thought it was a bad connection on your part. Im in good company on this one.

 

I mean, from his pov as town, i can understand his logic there

Not saying it was good logic, but i don't think scum would make that jump

[darc-star]

17 minutes ago, Kaylee said:

Official Vote Count

 

Leno (1) - Leno 

 

Not Voting (5) - AJ, Kat, Dice, Cass, Darc, Illian, Nyn, Seph

 

Dec 9th at 9pm EST

 

Omg, i missed that timer site!

 

Also, i think you have to refresh the page for it to update

It only shows the timer at the point it was loaded (if that's what dice meant by it not working)

[dicetosser1]

So Darc you PURPOSELY abstained?

[Kaylee]

27 minutes ago, darc-star said:

 

Omg, i missed that timer site!

 

Also, i think you have to refresh the page for it to update

It only shows the timer at the point it was loaded (if that's what dice meant by it not working)

 

Yes you have to refresh the page for it to update. 

[Illian Tear]

8 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

Id like to hear from the abstainers why they didnt vote.

 

 

I abstained because I didn't fully believe Penguins to be wolf.

[Illian Tear]

1 hour ago, dicetosser1 said:

So Darc you PURPOSELY abstained?

And I purposely abstained because if I just flat out said no that could've been taken as wolfy, which we all should know I'm not.

[Illian Tear]

So of the 8 who are not confirmed town or wolf there is most likely to be 2-3 more wolves.

[Lenlo]

Probably 2 wolves, its a 13er.

 

What worry do you have about being seen as a wolf? Your peeked. Stop caring about that. Heck, I don't care if I look like a wolf cause im just trying to solve, and im not peeked.

[darc-star]

2 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

So Darc you PURPOSELY abstained?

 

Pretty much

Every time i thought about voting yes i thought about voting no too, and then i dunno, i guess i figured if those balanced each other out then i may as well leave it to everyone else or something

I kept telling myself I'd vote later after thinking about it, but i kinda knew i was just lying to myself there

[Andrej]

BTW I’m leaving tonight and flying to NYC for the weekend. Anniversary trip. The mods already know but I figured I’d share since I won’t be around maybe at all depending on how busy we are.

 

 

[Andrej]

9 hours ago, Lenlo said:

Then lets try and be reasonable about this.

 

Whats your push today? Where do you go? Who do you accuse and why? I said I could be talked out of this. Just that it would be a Herculean effort.

 

Anyone not named Dice & Cass needs to be re-evaluated imo.

[Lenlo]

Id swap Cass and Seph, but least we are in agreement on Dice.

 

Still, until you give me someone else and a good reason, your my focus today AJ. If it wouldnt be beating a dead horse, I would still be pushing you.

 

As is, other people need to get their butts in here.

[Andrej]

That being said not everyone is equal in that regard.

 

If you were scum I think you would’ve waited another Day before doing something like this, but that’s only based in what I think I would do as you in that situation. I mean it’s pretty -EV to try to thunderdome when either result could be bad for you and scum still need like 3 MLs to win.

 

Darc I think I need to reread because I have been sort of ignoring them and sheeping Tripped/Clov’s read. I agree the D1 interaction with Hallia look good for them and I remember yesterday reading something I thought sounded pretty genuine so I am not super alarmed about them but would like a more informed read just for myself.

 

Seph is pretty hung up on Darc and has been since D1 so I would like to flesh out that dynamic more. There’s something they said the other day as a reason for me being Mafia that I didn’t really like either, but I need to check something first. Something about the timing of their original dislike of Tripped and their sudden proclaiming them super town/peeked bugs me.

 

Kat is ??? to me. Want to hear her thoughts about the lynch and who to accuse next. There was a moment yesterday I thought the two of you had team equity for when she was highlighting how Hallia wouldn’t have talked about you so much as her partner but not so sure on that anymore. Kat/Nyn team maybe? I remember her saying she didn’t want to Lynch Nyn or Hallia D1.

 

Nyn, nothing really to add. ATP I wouldn’t want to carry her deep into the game.

[Andrej]

5 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Id swap Cass and Seph, but least we are in agreement on Dice.

 Why those two?

[Lenlo]

4 minutes ago, Andrej said:

That being said not everyone is equal in that regard.

 

If you were scum I think you would’ve waited another Day before doing something like this, but that’s only based in what I think I would do as you in that situation. I mean it’s pretty -EV to try to thunderdome when either result could be bad for you and scum still need like 3 MLs to win.

 

Darc I think I need to reread because I have been sort of ignoring them and sheeping Tripped/Clov’s read. I agree the D1 interaction with Hallia look good for them and I remember yesterday reading something I thought sounded pretty genuine so I am not super alarmed about them but would like a more informed read just for myself.

 

Seph is pretty hung up on Darc and has been since D1 so I would like to flesh out that dynamic more. There’s something they said the other day as a reason for me being Mafia that I didn’t really like either, but I need to check something first. Something about the timing of their original dislike of Tripped and their sudden proclaiming them super town/peeked bugs me.

 

Kat is ??? to me. Want to hear her thoughts about the lynch and who to accuse next. There was a moment yesterday I thought the two of you had team equity for when she was highlighting how Hallia wouldn’t have talked about you so much as her partner but not so sure on that anymore. Kat/Nyn team maybe? I remember her saying she didn’t want to Lynch Nyn or Hallia D1.

 

Nyn, nothing really to add. ATP I wouldn’t want to carry her deep into the game.

First the bolded, that could be said for literally any lynch we make today. That isn't a counter argument. You will always be able to say "But what if...", so stop. Its a weak argument and you know it.

 

As for Kat/Nyn, you don't seem to want to lynch her either. You started this game saying you want to see how she does later. Well its later. And now your saying it again, with the caveat you wouldnt take her deep into the game. How deep is "deep into the game"? How far do we have to go before you consider lynching the slot? The confusion with you around Nyns slot is, for me, a rather large motivator in all this to.

 

If you flip wolf, Nyn is where I would look next, based almost entirely on your hesitance to actually give a read on that slot in any meaningful way.

[Andrej]

I don’t get your first point? I’m saying this is a stupid move for you if you are scum. You might get elected today and put me on, maybe even get me lynched. But what then?

 

What is there to say about Nyn that hasn’t been said already? I said I wanted to wait. It’s been more than a week now since the game started and still no strongTown!Nyn showing. There’s really not much else to discuss

 

I get that you wanna try and hammer me right now, but stop trying to nitpick everything I say because it’s not productive.

[Katiora]

5 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

Kat is ??? to me. Want to hear her thoughts about the lynch and who to accuse next. There was a moment yesterday I thought the two of you had team equity for when she was highlighting how Hallia wouldn’t have talked about you so much as her partner but not so sure on that anymore. Kat/Nyn team maybe? I remember her saying she didn’t want to Lynch Nyn or Hallia D1.

 

 

 

 

If you remember I also said I didn't want to lynch you or Chris Ya'll have taken that and read too much into it and I hope you remember it next game. I rarely want to lynch people D1 that I have played with consistently, unless it's Darthe and since he was my pretend peek I couldn't even say that this time. *sighs* 

 

To me Penguin's lynch was inevitable. His attitude and lack of effort last day phase made it so that he would always be a question mark. With town having a bit of a head start I thought it was good to go ahead and get him out of the way, though I think Nyn would have been a better choice honestly. I do think it is...... weird.. that so many people abstained from voting. I mean I could have understand one or two not voting because of rl something but... just to abstain. We are going to quickly have to take a stand one way or another. While you say we may have 3 ML's I'd rather us not have to go that many. Taking a stand is the only way that we will get information this game. 

 

I'm not on a team with Nyn, i'm not on a team with anyone. Though honestly I think Nyn may be a good case for today to look at. Lenlo I think your case is based on conjecture and misconstrued comments, I don't know that AJ is scum or town, but trying to pair us together is laughable. Right now I'm thinking I will most likely vote Dice for accuser unless something changes by 5pm cst to change my mind.