You're In Good Hands: The Beau Tomteer Law Firm Mafia GAME THREAD

[DontTrustThePenguins]

4 minutes ago, Illian Tear said:

True.

Mvp : me

 

Now to Pat myself on the back and have a cold frosty one to celebrate.

 

i don't like beer. I just think it's what the movies would show lol

[Cass]

@DontTrustThePenguins

 

If @Lizabeth says no lists, then NO LISTS! And Cadbury is obviously awesome.

 

But I didn't ask you for lists 

 

I asked you where you were at with thoughts on AJ and Lenlo, 

And for any reads/leans/ideas you have on anybody else ?

 

As an add-on, will you tell me about your thoughts on -

 

Nyn?

and

Dice's game compared with the one(s) you've played with him before, pls?

[Cass]

55 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

Its very simple. I didn't care who you accused, I trusted you more than I did Tripped at that moment. Thats it. Part of it was who was backing you and who was backing her. Its all very simple, I don't understand why this is a hangup.

 

This game is never simple, very simple - even if you say twice.

I don't know that it's worth debating more on, but it's my hangup - the fact you voted with #competition! stands out to me and you can't make me give it up! Went back and had a look though, fwiw it bothers me less that you specifically referenced breaking 'that' tie between Tripped and I, and from there to creating another one between the two of us flows ~ok as a thought process on its own.

 

You mentioned trusting Dice and Clov more than the votes for her - Seph/AJ/Darc at the time too, so that's consistent. 

 

How do you feel about Dice/Seph/AJ/Darc now?

 

55 minutes ago, Lenlo said:

 

Was I wrong to put some trust your way? Is this your turnaround? Whats the deal here Cass?

 

Im currently catching up/rereading cause work had me busy yesterday. What questions were these? Ill gladly answerem

 

KK for work/busy 

 

Do you think you were? Nothing has really changed in my approach since then, and questioning your motive for voting me following the flip is reasonable I would think?

 

The questions were essentially what you just answered/was asked above ?

 

 

@DontTrustThePenguins - split quote by double [Return/Enter] key where you'd like it to split.

[seph]

10 hours ago, Andrej said:

 

lol what? Agenda-y how? This is how I operate, my dude. Not everyone can be Town, so it's important to me to look at that kind of stuff. Who interacted with who as reads adjust and grow, etc. I mean I can see how you might take exception to the comment since it was about you, but I don't think I'm out of bounds here. One of your first posts upon entering the game was literally asking Darc is she was a wolf, so reducing it down to me saying I don't like you asking her for reads is pretty inaccurate. Like I also stated - it's D1 and there's a larger margin for error so I'm not like nailing you to a cross over it either.

 

What do you mean by the last part? If you're saying what I think you're saying, then I would disagree on a fundamental level because the way the game is designed with votes being made in private changes the normal dynamic for normal wagon evaluation. Obviously Hallia isn't a good example, but let's say that sometime in the future of the game a Townie gets put up, and a majority of the Town players vote to save them. That changes the light of who voted to kill them, right?

I’m saying day one not lynching the accused is extremely -ev as we end with no new information and the mafia get a nightkill and we start day 2 as a continuation of day 1 with no information to go off of.

inhave talked to you about no lynch in some games so yes I find it disturbing.

 

9 hours ago, Andrej said:

 

Penguins or Lenlo.

 

Penguins is arguing semantics to avoid the actual point I was making and just generally is exaggerating stuff that's happened in the game to frame them in a different way that's positive for them.

 

Lenlo has one notable reaction so far this game that I don't like and not much else in anything.

I actually want to reread here but I didn’t ever think he exaggerated while defending himself towards your wording. 

8 hours ago, Andrej said:

@Cass Yeah I’ve read your posts. You’re one of the few I don’t think has started to get complacent because of a scum lynch D1, which is why I’d put you up over the others right now.

 

I’m not opposed to Darc or Clov, but I trust more that you’d do your due diligence in that position based on the sort of angles and questions you’re working from.

This post bothers me. It’s not that I don’t think cass would be a good choice, but clov has literally been diligent and then some this phase. If anybody literally thinks he is mafia then you have not been paying attention this game.

if I’m mafia I’m clov is 100% dead (spin this how you want) he should be accused because no one in this thread is putting up half the effort this dude is and I honestly want him to get the final say, as well as hear his closing words before he is killed.

 

he has been Suss of aj and I honestly would have felt better about aj if he had nominated clov here instead because it would have shown a towny mindset even in the face of accusation.

I think I would prefer aj is on trial today.

6 hours ago, dicetosser1 said:

its the tone cass.  feels tired and kinda forced.

 

her comeback to me when she voted for me sounded good but i have a tinfoil that she knew to do something like that on purpose.

 

let me be clear here   i very well may be wrong. but its bugging me  especially the first post that caught my attention   THATS the one where it really sounds forced

Ehhh I’m waiting for something here dice. It’s day 2 not every read can just be tone based alone. I would like some meat to it.

6 hours ago, Cass said:

 

@seph - which Hallia interaction?

 

The one where she talks about his tone after he only talked about set up. And he said hit take afterward. Each time I read it, it bothers me more.

3 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

Note to self: reread Nyn/AJ/Dice from.past two pages.

Dude I’m not sure if I’m in your head but I might be in you head right now lol.

 

honestly this is where I am with hallia teammates.

aj- likely imo, interactions d1 and my personal opinion he is mafia without those interactions.

dice-possible but with recent aj interactions I feel like that could be the team. I think he has fallen off since d1 so not sure I want to lynch him today or anything but if aj is scum would look at. (Not teamed with nyn)

 

kat- possible she could just be struggling which I have seen before. Content isn’t where I would like it. Wouldn’t oppose currently.

 

nyn- slight possibility would want to lynch

lynch if kat was a wolf, would need to look at aj/ her interaction but don’t remember anything

 

i honestly don’t think I want to lynch anyone besides aj/kat today I will reread penguin now and see if what aj is saying was true. Maybe I am looking at the wrong side of the coin here but I haven’t been bothered by penguins posts.

 

 

57 minutes ago, darc-star said:

 

didnt like his tone early on, especially his interaction with tripped (which i need to read again, because i remember feeling like he wasnt trying to read her based off of that, but i wanna check how valid that was)

 

and then he felt the need to pull up all my posts because he thought i wasnt talking about anybody other than tripped, which i guess i could commend, but imo i had been talking about others (except not by name, and not with actual reads attached) so he wrote off a lot of things as not relevant (could be correct there, i guess, and maybe im the only person who thought i was saying something), but since then i havent seen anything i really liked from him (except, i think, one post i thought *could* be towny?) and hes still trying to maintain that i could just be a deep wolf despite reading me as town

and then i havent seen much of him trying to figure out other people

 

might just be omgus-ing here, and obviously he doesnt know me to judge, but i know im town, and i think im doing ~ok at showing that considering i dont know most people here, so...

although, saying that, i do realise that i need to put more of my reads out there

Soo During the interaction with tripped in regards to her post I didn’t like I had nothing to read her on darc, and I was more worried about the post influencing others when I didn’t think it held merit because it was like page 5 viewing me as mafia not on a team with so and so.  So yea it irritated me a bit lol

If you read just a bit afterwards I actually read her on her content before I drop my peek on her.

 

a deep wolf is a town read that could be a wolf. So I’m confused why you think that’s weird. But as our reads are so different I’m standing by it ?

[Andrej]

3 hours ago, Clovdyx said:

(I say this because I'm basically going to demand being named accuser today and put him up for insinuating I wouldn't do well)

 

My point

[Cory Caboose]

While the rest of you congregate, the door swings open.

 

"Hey guys! My name is Barry Eltee, I will be available as a public defender if anyone needs it. Lettuce get along well."

 

 

The day continues...

[Lenlo]

11 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

This game is never simple, very simple - even if you say twice.

I don't know that it's worth debating more on, but it's my hangup - the fact you voted with #competition! stands out to me and you can't make me give it up! Went back and had a look though, fwiw it bothers me less that you specifically referenced breaking 'that' tie between Tripped and I, and from there to creating another one between the two of us flows ~ok as a thought process on its own.

 

You mentioned trusting Dice and Clov more than the votes for her - Seph/AJ/Darc at the time too, so that's consistent. 

 

How do you feel about Dice/Seph/AJ/Darc now?

This game can be very simple at times. Over thinking things has lost a good number of games. Somestimes, the most obvious answer is in fact correct.

[Cass]

1 hour ago, darc-star said:

not voting for either

darthe/illian

 

might vote for accuser

chris

dice

 

prob wouldnt vote for either

len

aj

cass

 

might vote yes if accused

kat

nyna

 

wouldnt oppose lynch

bwn the Penguin

seph

 

is probably where im at

 

@darc-star, can you explain the order of your WTL for me pls? Does 'wouldn't oppose lynch' mean you have BWN/Seph as 'would vote yes' at this point?

 

If you were Accuser/Prosecutor, who would you choose?

 

1 hour ago, DontTrustThePenguins said:

Please kill me

 

1 hour ago, darc-star said:

 

one reason i wouldnt oppose your lynch

 

Is this attitude/begging for lynch AI for BWN?

Or particularly common to him/PersC as a thing?

 

 

1 hour ago, DontTrustThePenguins said:

Also before I had a little chat about some rugby world cup tickets so had to leave my computer, I had skimmed that you said I care about my appearance more as scum @darc-star. It's news to me.

 

Seriously it's like the reverse of battleshots when I was town read for being a *** for lolz...and I was scum being a *** for lolz. That was some lolz there. 

 

Good times. I like lolz.

 

Anyway if I don't post, assume I've shot myself in the face. You know for lolz 

 

? @DontTrustThePenguins - what's going on? you sound cranky/sarcastic/overly annoyed, and I'm not really sure why? (also, can you pls edit for sake of PG13?)

 

 

54 minutes ago, Illian Tear said:

True.

Thank the Light! (And Hi!)

[Andrej]

14 minutes ago, seph said:

This post bothers me. It’s not that I don’t think cass would be a good choice, but clov has literally been diligent and then some this phase. If anybody literally thinks he is mafia then you have not been paying attention this game.

if I’m mafia I’m clov is 100% dead (spin this how you want) he should be accused because no one in this thread is putting up half the effort this dude is and I honestly want him to get the final say, as well as hear his closing words before he is killed.

 

he has been Suss of aj and I honestly would have felt better about aj if he had nominated clov here instead because it would have shown a towny mindset even in the face of accusation.

 

Firstly, no where in my post am I insinuating that Clov is scum. He’s done a lot of legwork today but I also think that he’s getting stuck on some his D1 reads. It’s really a matter of who I think will make the better/right decision, and if you’re asking me to elect someone who wants to put me on the stand, well that is a non-starter (obviously). You’re not going to put me in this damned if you do, damned if you don’t position so I can be a sacrificial lamb for the sake of being vetted.

[Andrej]

17 minutes ago, Cory Caboose said:

While the rest of you congregate, the door swings open.

 

"Hey guys! My name is Barry Eltee, I will be available as a public defender if anyone needs it. Lettuce get along well."

 

 

The day continues...

 

The duck was better

[seph]

2 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

Firstly, no where in my post am I insinuating that Clov is scum. He’s done a lot of legwork today but I also think that he’s getting stuck on some his D1 reads. It’s really a matter of who I think will make the better/right decision, and if you’re asking me to elect someone who wants to put me on the stand, well that is a non-starter (obviously). You’re not going to put me in this damned if you do, damned if you don’t position so I can be a sacrificial lamb for the sake of being vetted.

I was saying voting him(not saying you should have mind you)  would have made me feel better about you.

[Andrej]

4 minutes ago, seph said:

I was saying voting him(not saying you should have mind you)  would have made me feel better about you.

 

So damned if I do, damned if I don’t.

 

Cool.

[darc-star]

1 hour ago, DontTrustThePenguins said:

Also before I had a little chat about some rugby world cup tickets so had to leave my computer, I had skimmed that you said I care about my appearance more as scum @darc-star. It's news to me.

 

Seriously it's like the reverse of battleshots when I was town read for being a dick for lolz...and I was scum being a dick for lolz. That was some lolz there. 

 

Good times. I like lolz.

 

Anyway if I don't post, assume I've shot myself in the face. You know for lolz 

     

i often find you more towny as scum, yes

hence i found you to be more towny one game when you didnt seem to be holding back and trying to make friends, but i do believe i was wrong that game? (seem to always be wrong)

but you keep changing meta, and i think i followed up with a (probably not so clear) conclusion that the way youre acting could be more to do with how much youve read and had time for, and you might not be in a position to project a better image regardless of alignment

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Darc (1) - Clov

Cass (1) - AJ

Clov (1) - Seph

Dice (2) - Dice, Nyn

 

Not Voting: Darc, Lenlo, Cass, Illian, Kat, Penguins

 

 

DEADLINE DEC 4TH 9PM EST

 

Roughly 9.5 hous from now

[seph]

5 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

So damned if I do, damned if I don’t.

 

Cool.

So yea I guess you could view it that way lol. Not voting there didn’t really change anything, was just pointing out giving the towniest person control even if you were in danger would have looked good imo

[Clovdyx]

32 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

My point

 

There is like a one percent chance I would consider you. 

 

My other plan was saying I'd no lynch to force people to pick someone besides me.

[Clovdyx]

4 minutes ago, Clovdyx said:

 

There is like a one percent chance I would consider you. 

 

My other plan was saying I'd no lynch to force people to pick someone besides me.

 

"But Chris, why would you do these things?"

 

Because I'm probably the easiest person in the world to vote right now, so many reads are fairly consensus, and this setup is damn hard to get productive dialogue going.  Whoever gets voted - me or otherwise - basically needs spot on reads (notnreally because we have mislynches to give, but you get my point).  VCA is going to be harder than ever and I'd like to optimize their/my decision

[darc-star]

27 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

@darc-star, can you explain the order of your WTL for me pls? Does 'wouldn't oppose lynch' mean you have BWN/Seph as 'would vote yes' at this point?

 

If you were Accuser/Prosecutor, who would you choose?

 

Is this attitude/begging for lynch AI for BWN?

Or particularly common to him/PersC as a thing?

 

?@DontTrustThePenguins

 

thats exactly what it means, yes

pretty much going in descending order of trust

 

atp, i would probably say seph, but obviously if i were in that position itd mean that id actually have to re-read everything to double check, so i dunno if id end up changing my mind and switching to bwn or someone else

 

as for bwn... i wasnt 100% serious with that comment, but i think ive seen him do it as either alignment

when he was scum with a team that wasnt putting in effort, and once he begged for a vig shot despite being town

cant remember if he expressed it in the thread, but i know he was complaining afterwards that he just wanted to die

but if thats where his head is, its bad for town either way

 

15 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

Firstly, no where in my post am I insinuating that Clov is scum. He’s done a lot of legwork today but I also think that he’s getting stuck on some his D1 reads. It’s really a matter of who I think will make the better/right decision, and if you’re asking me to elect someone who wants to put me on the stand, well that is a non-starter (obviously). You’re not going to put me in this damned if you do, damned if you don’t position so I can be a sacrificial lamb for the sake of being vetted.

 

i like this

 

13 minutes ago, Andrej said:

 

The duck was better

 

i really like this

[Clovdyx]

I really want to call seph/aj town/town.  I have really stupid petty reasons for both of them being scum (not together), but neither is a good nominee for today.

 

Change my mind.

[darc-star]

5 minutes ago, Clovdyx said:

 

"But Chris, why would you do these things?"

 

Because I'm probably the easiest person in the world to vote right now, so many reads are fairly consensus, and this setup is damn hard to get productive dialogue going.  Whoever gets voted - me or otherwise - basically needs spot on reads (notnreally because we have mislynches to give, but you get my point).  VCA is going to be harder than ever and I'd like to optimize their/my decision

 

so... why are you voting me?

[Clovdyx]

Just now, darc-star said:

 

so... why are you voting me?

 

Because I wanted to see who would get pissed off and who would follow.  And honestly, if it's not me today, you would probably be my 2nd choice.  

[Clovdyx]

1 minute ago, Clovdyx said:

I really want to call seph/aj town/town.  I have really stupid petty reasons for both of them being scum (not together), but neither is a good nominee for today.

 

Change my mind.

 

This being said, I'd vote either of them if accused just in case I'm wrong + reaction from the other.  On the chance I'm right, forces the other to move on.  

[Cass]

5 minutes ago, Clovdyx said:

I really want to call seph/aj town/town.  I have really stupid petty reasons for both of them being scum (not together), but neither is a good nominee for today.

 

Change my mind.

 

Nope, not at this point - I'm waiting to see how much further, if any it goes. Tone of last interactions here reads ~ok imo.

[Cass]

2 minutes ago, Clovdyx said:

 

This being said, I'd vote either of them if accused just in case I'm wrong + reaction from the other.  On the chance I'm right, forces the other to move on.  

 

Lolninja.

 

I think there's a wider focus from each of them than just each other, no?

[Clovdyx]

2 minutes ago, Cass said:

 

Lolninja.

 

I think there's a wider focus from each of them than just each other, no?

 

I dunno.  I'm not actually reading posts since tripped died.