The Mafia Parable: Basic Game OVER

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

Also, fwiw, I think Verbal is right about the vig shot claiming. Yes, mafia CAN claim their NK and try to pass it off as a vig...at the expense of potentially outing themselves and taking a suboptimal nk.

What do you mean? The mafia only get one kill per night, right? So if two people die, or, three, or four, they can only still kill one, so the other is a big. It's not like they're gonna say, "Right, we vigged Ben. That wasn't our night kill," or am I totally misunderstanding what you mean by passing their no off as a vig?

So at best, it can work out kind of like a caroler? Except that hopefully, we got some wolves with those shots.

 

One of the counterarguments against claiming the kills (especially in advance, but really any time) is that mafia could claim vig and use their NK to sell it.  Essentially, mafia says, "I'm a vig and I'm shooting X tonight".  That player then dies.  Whichever of the mafia made the post then has credibility as one of the vig roles.

 

 

The problem is, we know exactly how many there are.  If four people claim vig, and four people die, we know ONE of the four are mafia.  If one of the shots hits mafia, you can remove THAT player from the pool.  Now you have a guaranteed mafia in 3 slots (or less, if another mafia died as well).

 

 

I don't know what a caroler is.  

 

I'm not looking at how she's talking to me, because that goes beyond game play. It's her interaction with others that I see as scum. she will vote me because of non game related things, and so I will not interact with her further. I will judge how he interacts with y'all, and it seems scummy to me.

 

Outside of her, do you have any reads you feel pretty comfortable with?

[DPR]

 

 

 

 

DPR - I don't understand how your point about Rand is scummy at all. I've played with the guy, so it's not like he hasn't been around for a decade, and even if he had...so what?

To keep everything in context, It's D1 and I don't think anyone is claiming to be certain about anything at this point.

 

Rand pinged me with his chat - it struck me as having a nervous tone and I didn't buy his claim that he forgot DM's rules. Just seemed like a weird thing to say, like scum trying to fit in, so I mentioned it.

 

At this point, he's in my top 3 for scum. We'll see what happens when the info starts coming in.

I meant town clearing vs. Scum hunting. Speaking personally, I don't see how someone can do one and not yhe other, but that's a dead horse atp... I just don't see it meaning anything for his alignment

 

Does it make sense when I describe a distinct difference in the way the game sed to be played vs. now? Ed mentioned it, Tigs mentioned it and maybe Adella? So I found it possible odd that Rand came back and didn't mention it.

I did also mention it... In fact this is my first game that I haven't complained about it (so far) lol.

 

 

 

I mentioned it too.

 

Does Rand not mentioning it ping either one of you? 

[LedZepMan]

Meh. Some people are more fluid than others. I've got Rand as my no1 town read.

 

Could I be wrong? Sure. My record of wrong reads v right is strikingly one sided. To wrong side that is.

[Hallia]

 

 

 

 

Also, fwiw, I think Verbal is right about the vig shot claiming. Yes, mafia CAN claim their NK and try to pass it off as a vig...at the expense of potentially outing themselves and taking a suboptimal nk.

What do you mean? The mafia only get one kill per night, right? So if two people die, or, three, or four, they can only still kill one, so the other is a big. It's not like they're gonna say, "Right, we vigged Ben. That wasn't our night kill," or am I totally misunderstanding what you mean by passing their no off as a vig?

So at best, it can work out kind of like a caroler? Except that hopefully, we got some wolves with those shots.

 

One of the counterarguments against claiming the kills (especially in advance, but really any time) is that mafia could claim vig and use their NK to sell it. Essentially, mafia says, "I'm a vig and I'm shooting X tonight". That player then dies. Whichever of the mafia made the post then has credibility as one of the vig roles.

 

 

The problem is, we know exactly how many there are. If four people claim vig, and four people die, we know ONE of the four are mafia. If one of the shots hits mafia, you can remove THAT player from the pool. Now you have a guaranteed mafia in 3 slots (or less, if another mafia died as well).

I don't know what a caroler is.

I'm not looking at how she's talking to me, because that goes beyond game play. It's her interaction with others that I see as scum. she will vote me because of non game related things, and so I will not interact with her further. I will judge how he interacts with y'all, and it seems scummy to me.

Outside of her, do you have any reads you feel pretty comfortable with?

Yrs, as I said earlier verb and lzm

[Ironeyes]

I'm back, for about 45 minutes. That miiiiiiight be enough to catch up properly. 

 

 

 

 

Honestly LZM, you're playing consistent with how you've played lately, so I think this tunnel on me is probably an indication that you're town..
I just want to point out that I don't think any of your tunnels have worked well for you lately, so please try to keep an open mind throughout this game. Something someone says can ping you one way or another, but we need to look at the big picture and players as a whole.

Personally, I'm much quicker to name someone town than I am scum, considering only 25% of the players are scum, it's my favorite part of the new playstyle.

However, if I had to choose, right now I would say scum is likely Sooh, because of her very strong reactions. Hallia, for the reasons others have pointed out, she hasn't posted any of her own thoughts but has been around quite a bit. And I'm thinking Rand for the third, but that honestly is a bit tainted by some OMGUS. It can't be that tainted though, cause LZM doesn't seem scummy for voting for me. I think it's how he is claiming Hallia has had more content than I have, even though she and I have talked about the same things and my thoughts are much more detailed and fleshed out, I have answered questions, and even repeated myself to some who seemed to ask questions that I have already explained, in the interest of being open and honest a town.

How am I tunneling here? It's D1 ten pages in. I literally caught up and voted you. If I had votd you 3 days running with plenty of evidence to the contrary, then tunnel would be right word.

Tunneling is focusing on one player as scum and refusing to see anything different until they're dead... You're not actually paying attention to everything I say, just the points that fit your view on me. As you said we are only 10 (now more) pages in on D1, there is no way you can have a super solid scum lead on anyone yet.

This isn't right. Tunneling can be town or scum, and in my experience it's more frequently done by town. Scum tend to be leery of being caught in a tunnel and prefer to spread out their reads in order to maintain flexibility. 

[Ironeyes]

If there are out of game "things" going on, let's not bring them into this game.  I love you all, and want us to get along and have a fun time shooting each other in the face, lol.

 

This message is for everybody.

Friendly reminder: This is a game for the most sadistic bloodthirsty animals on this forum, so no mercy.

 

Also a friendly reminder: This is a game so have fun, and play nice. Seriously, be kind to one another.

 

Glgl

This exchange made me so happy.

 

 

So, something I've been thinking about. With this setup, town can essentially win in one night if the vigs don't crossfire and all hit scum. While that is not likely, especially N1, I'd like to submit the POTENTIAL IDEA that maybe if a vig plans on taking a shot on any given night, they call it out as to not cross shots with another vig.

 

Just a thought, and not something I'm saying we need to do......but I'd like to discuss the potential pitfalls and merits.

Still catching up, but I like that. I'm not sure how kills resolve, but at worst, mafia can only stop one of the bugs, and atbest, we win by killing all three in one shot. I agree it's unlikely, but it's possible, especially with the lynch. That gives us 4 chances to kill 3 wolves.

@ bold: Spoken like a Magic player, lol.

 

As far as I know mafia games don't have a "stack" like Magic does, so to speak. Most mods treat kills as happening simultaneously, so if I shoot you and you shoot me, we both die. 

[Adella]

I'm back, for about 45 minutes. That miiiiiiight be enough to catch up properly.

 

 

 

 

Honestly LZM, you're playing consistent with how you've played lately, so I think this tunnel on me is probably an indication that you're town..

I just want to point out that I don't think any of your tunnels have worked well for you lately, so please try to keep an open mind throughout this game. Something someone says can ping you one way or another, but we need to look at the big picture and players as a whole.

 

Personally, I'm much quicker to name someone town than I am scum, considering only 25% of the players are scum, it's my favorite part of the new playstyle.

 

However, if I had to choose, right now I would say scum is likely Sooh, because of her very strong reactions. Hallia, for the reasons others have pointed out, she hasn't posted any of her own thoughts but has been around quite a bit. And I'm thinking Rand for the third, but that honestly is a bit tainted by some OMGUS. It can't be that tainted though, cause LZM doesn't seem scummy for voting for me. I think it's how he is claiming Hallia has had more content than I have, even though she and I have talked about the same things and my thoughts are much more detailed and fleshed out, I have answered questions, and even repeated myself to some who seemed to ask questions that I have already explained, in the interest of being open and honest a town.

How am I tunneling here? It's D1 ten pages in. I literally caught up and voted you. If I had votd you 3 days running with plenty of evidence to the contrary, then tunnel would be right word.

Tunneling is focusing on one player as scum and refusing to see anything different until they're dead... You're not actually paying attention to everything I say, just the points that fit your view on me. As you said we are only 10 (now more) pages in on D1, there is no way you can have a super solid scum lead on anyone yet.

This isn't right. Tunneling can be town or scum, and in my experience it's more frequently done by town. Scum tend to be leery of being caught in a tunnel and prefer to spread out their reads in order to maintain flexibility.

I see that you're disagreeing... But I'm not finding where exactly our descriptions disagreed lol. Maybe you thought I said the person who does the tunneling is the scum. How that was intended was that someone (generally a townie, I thought it was implied) lets say Person A, tunnels on someone lets say Person B, because person A thinks that person B is scum.

[Gentled Ben]

 

If there are out of game "things" going on, let's not bring them into this game.  I love you all, and want us to get along and have a fun time shooting each other in the face, lol.

 

This message is for everybody.

 

Friendly reminder: This is a game for the most sadistic bloodthirsty animals on this forum, so no mercy.

Also a friendly reminder: This is a game so have fun, and play nice. Seriously, be kind to one another.

Glgl

 

This exchange made me so happy.

 

 

So, something I've been thinking about. With this setup, town can essentially win in one night if the vigs don't crossfire and all hit scum. While that is not likely, especially N1, I'd like to submit the POTENTIAL IDEA that maybe if a vig plans on taking a shot on any given night, they call it out as to not cross shots with another vig.

Just a thought, and not something I'm saying we need to do......but I'd like to discuss the potential pitfalls and merits.

 

Still catching up, but I like that. I'm not sure how kills resolve, but at worst, mafia can only stop one of the bugs, and atbest, we win by killing all three in one shot. I agree it's unlikely, but it's possible, especially with the lynch. That gives us 4 chances to kill 3 wolves.

@ bold: Spoken like a Magic player, lol.

 

As far as I know mafia games don't have a "stack" like Magic does, so to speak. Most mods treat kills as happening simultaneously, so if I shoot you and you shoot me, we both die.

Yes! I played from Fourth Edition through Stronghold, and that's what I was thinking of, LIFO or something of the like.

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

 

 

Also, fwiw, I think Verbal is right about the vig shot claiming. Yes, mafia CAN claim their NK and try to pass it off as a vig...at the expense of potentially outing themselves and taking a suboptimal nk.

 

What do you mean? The mafia only get one kill per night, right? So if two people die, or, three, or four, they can only still kill one, so the other is a big. It's not like they're gonna say, "Right, we vigged Ben. That wasn't our night kill," or am I totally misunderstanding what you mean by passing their no off as a vig?

So at best, it can work out kind of like a caroler? Except that hopefully, we got some wolves with those shots.

 

One of the counterarguments against claiming the kills (especially in advance, but really any time) is that mafia could claim vig and use their NK to sell it.  Essentially, mafia says, "I'm a vig and I'm shooting X tonight".  That player then dies.  Whichever of the mafia made the post then has credibility as one of the vig roles.

 

 

The problem is, we know exactly how many there are.  If four people claim vig, and four people die, we know ONE of the four are mafia.  If one of the shots hits mafia, you can remove THAT player from the pool.  Now you have a guaranteed mafia in 3 slots (or less, if another mafia died as well).

 

I don't know what a caroler is.  

 

I'm not looking at how she's talking to me, because that goes beyond game play. It's her interaction with others that I see as scum. she will vote me because of non game related things, and so I will not interact with her further. I will judge how he interacts with y'all, and it seems scummy to me.

 

 

Outside of her, do you have any reads you feel pretty comfortable with?

Well, in my last game, there was someone who found an item via the flavor portion of the game (it was really like playing a dungeon crawler that ran in parallel to a mafia game), and the item allowed her to receive a list of four names from the mod, one of which was guaranteed to be scum. In the dead thread ( where I always go), he called it a caroler, so that's what I thought a caroler was--a list of names, one of which is certain to be mafia.

[Nynaeve]

 

 

notice that she wasn't bothered by me or breathed a word on me up until I started pushing her.

I FEEL this is incorrect, but I'm on my phone with a needle in my vein. I'll try toremember to check when i get home

Nyn was right. I was wrong. Hallia didn't mention her until earlier this afternoon when she discussed Nyn's town.

Yep.

 

All things aside, people can say what they want, but verbal specifically can prolly attest to this. I vote based on gameplay. Could have lynched his ass last game effortlessly prolly but he was unfortunately playing a very townie game. Lol ironically enough had he played the way dpr suggested, i would have probably tinfoiled on him hardcore and joined his lynch. Which is why ignoring the pirate is usually solid play.

[Nynaeve]

 

 

 

notice that she wasn't bothered by me or breathed a word on me up until I started pushing her.

I FEEL this is incorrect, but I'm on my phone with a needle in my vein. I'll try toremember to check when i get home

Nyn was right. I was wrong. Hallia didn't mention her until earlier this afternoon when she discussed Nyn's town.

 

Do you mean when she discussed Nyn's scum? But yeah, solidifies my feeling on how Hally's vote felt like an OMGUS

What's your read on me?

[Nynaeve]

 

 

Do you mean when she discussed Nyn's scum? But yeah, solidifies my feeling on how Hally's vote felt like an OMGUS

 

Yeah, earlier when she was saying that Nyn's tone was in keeping with how she acts as scum.

I'm not even sure what I'd enjoy more. Her being foolish enough to use this as scum or her being so laughably wrong.

 

With thst being said, she has town read me every single time i was scum like i mentioned before... and also when i was town really... her read on me was always static. So I'm bemused she's acting as if she remotely knows how to read me. She could hydra with me 10 times over and it wont change anything. Lol

[Nynaeve]

People like zander, dice and even you clov could speak in that level of confidence and Id be like... fair i guess? Id obviously still argue but id recognize that they have solid tells. With her my only reaction is LOL!!!

[Nynaeve]

 

Also, fwiw, I think Verbal is right about the vig shot claiming. Yes, mafia CAN claim their NK and try to pass it off as a vig...at the expense of potentially outing themselves and taking a suboptimal nk.

What do you mean? The mafia only get one kill per night, right? So if two people die, or, three, or four, they can only still kill one, so the other is a big. It's not like they're gonna say, "Right, we vigged Ben. That wasn't our night kill," or am I totally misunderstanding what you mean by passing their no off as a vig?

He means that if there are multiple deaths scum could claim their nk as a vig shot. But it will eventually kinda corner them, really, once flips and claims are in the open. Being a closed setup and all.

[Nynaeve]

@verbal when you catch up could you clarify on your idea? I think it was in response to sooh where i kinda got lost on what you meant exactly.

 

Thanks

[Nynaeve]

 

It would be easier to tell you than show you on my phone. I'm sure it was in the first ten pages. Nyn said something about killing, and I said something about her only killing townies, and Verb asked how I knew he was a townie, and Hallia said, "Oh, snap!" And Adela made popcorn, which seemed like a passive way for them to egg on the conversation, which other people pointed out to them, and since then, they seem to have tried hard not to look like they agree on things.

 

I think I was getting hung up on your verbiage. Typically if someone is accused of "being on the fence", it means they're refusing to take a side/playing both.

Yeah we didnt get around to talking much about mafia terms when i was mentoring him. My bad xD

[Nynaeve]

 

 

Also, fwiw, I think Verbal is right about the vig shot claiming. Yes, mafia CAN claim their NK and try to pass it off as a vig...at the expense of potentially outing themselves and taking a suboptimal nk.

What do you mean? The mafia only get one kill per night, right? So if two people die, or, three, or four, they can only still kill one, so the other is a big. It's not like they're gonna say, "Right, we vigged Ben. That wasn't our night kill," or am I totally misunderstanding what you mean by passing their no off as a vig?

One of the counterarguments against claiming the kills (especially in advance, but really any time) is that mafia could claim vig and use their NK to sell it. Essentially, mafia says, "I'm a vig and I'm shooting X tonight". That player then dies. Whichever of the mafia made the post then has credibility as one of the vig roles.

 

 

The problem is, we know exactly how many there are. If four people claim vig, and four people die, we know ONE of the four are mafia. If one of the shots hits mafia, you can remove THAT player from the pool. Now you have a guaranteed mafia in 3 slots (or less, if another mafia died as well).

Fine explain it better. See if i care :-p

[Nynaeve]

 

 

 

 

As many times as we have been Hydra together, I'm confident in my read.

 

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and if you're town? Then you have clearly learned nothing via hydraing with me.

I believe I am, so we're at an impasse. I have every idea of what I'm talking about.

Keep spinning. Atp I don't even care what your alignment is, cause I'd be happy to see you out of the game either way.

Do we have townies to spare? If you don't think she's a wolf, don't lynch her just because you aren't having fun playing with her. It isn't fair to the rest of us, even if that's telling you what to do.

Please if i lynched people cause i didnt like playing with them, darthe would be insta lynched every game :-p

[Nynaeve]

No clue how I stuck my reply inside your quote. Maybe it's these fat trolloc fingers typing on a phone.

Brown trolloc, brown cow?

[Nynaeve]

 

 

It would be easier to tell you than show you on my phone. I'm sure it was in the first ten pages. Nyn said something about killing, and I said something about her only killing townies, and Verb asked how I knew he was a townie, and Hallia said, "Oh, snap!" And Adela made popcorn, which seemed like a passive way for them to egg on the conversation, which other people pointed out to them, and since then, they seem to have tried hard not to look like they agree on things.

 

I think I was getting hung up on your verbiage. Typically if someone is accused of "being on the fence", it means they're refusing to take a side/playing both.

Oh, okay. I'm still learning the lingo. I know some things, like lovers and carolers and vigilantes and safe claims because my two games had those, but lots of other stuff is still a puzzle to me.

Wtf is carolers???

[Nynaeve]

 

I'm not looking at how she's talking to me, because that goes beyond game play. It's her interaction with others that I see as scum. she will vote me because of non game related things, and so I will not interact with her further. I will judge how he interacts with y'all, and it seems scummy to me.

Who, Nyn?

Leave her, she's having some delusional episode. Hope she gets better soon lol

[Nynaeve]

 

 

 

I'm not quoting that cuz I cant trim, but here's the basics.

The town read on Verb is my gut. There is no empirical evidence I can provide you on paper (or screen) to support this. I like how he handled himself calling out the three who voted him so fast. It's what I'd have done.

And you expect better from me? I'm a minor leagues man at best. Im wrong so much that I should do the exact opposite of what my brain says.

Honestly this is why I am not surprised that somehow I am your top scum lean and you are so sure about me being scum.

I dunno. The guy who was making the case about you and Halliia jumping in on Verb asking how I knew he was town (which I still don't know), and then Hallia seeming to distance herself from you is a little convincing. Not much, but a little. It's about the most I see to go on so far, anyway.

 

I feel like no one is standing out as scum right now, but there are some tenuous attempts to throw subs on people, like the Adele/Hallia team theory, early pickings on Rand over the DM swearing policy, and Verbal's shot at me for joking with Nyn about killing towns, but no glaring scum reads.

 

Verbal looks like he's trying the hardest to root out scum, so he gets a town lean from me. Rand is trying too, so he gets a small town lean, and everyone else seems pretty neutral. Soon looked suspicious early on for her Adele. OTR and then taking awhile to address it, plus being snippy and snarky (her words) which might be an attempt to keep people away from her, but it's D1, and we're not even halfwY to deadline, so I think I have time to develop better reads.

 

There is actually decent wifi at the campsite itself, so I can play at night (its night for me now), but I am tired after driving 8 hours and setting up camp, so I don't know how late I'll stay up tonight. At least I got caught up. :)

Something about this posts bugs me, but I can't quite figure out what. I'll come back to it later.

Where's leelou when im in the mood for a spanish off lol

Hey, I'll spanish off any day of the week. Es un idioma hermosa y lo quiero mucho, más que nada por las personas a quienes conocí cuando era misionero. Sin haber aprendido español, no habría conocido a tantas lindas personas.

When i spanish off with lee, she tells me I'm pretty and then there's stroking.

[RandA lThor]

 

Also, fwiw, I think Verbal is right about the vig shot claiming. Yes, mafia CAN claim their NK and try to pass it off as a vig...at the expense of potentially outing themselves and taking a suboptimal nk.

What do you mean? The mafia only get one kill per night, right? So if two people die, or, three, or four, they can only still kill one, so the other is a big. It's not like they're gonna say, "Right, we vigged Ben. That wasn't our night kill," or am I totally misunderstanding what you mean by passing their no off as a vig?

 

This was actually what I was thinking earlier, but then I realized something else.  What if there was a vig who claimed to save himself from being lynched, and then said he'd prove himself the next night by shooting someone.  Then mafia could no kill and it would seem as if the vig was a mafia that was fake claiming.  The vig would immediately get lynched and then the mafia would have the next night after that to submit another kill.  So there's no way of actually confirming that someone's a vig unless there's two kills that happen that night, and one of the kills is the person the vig said they were going to shoot.  Also, I was considering not saying this, but I assumed that mafia would be smart enough to figure this out if this ended up happening so I wanted to get it out there so no one thought there was a way to definitely confirm a vig.

 

 

 

 

 

 

DPR - I don't understand how your point about Rand is scummy at all. I've played with the guy, so it's not like he hasn't been around for a decade, and even if he had...so what?

To keep everything in context, It's D1 and I don't think anyone is claiming to be certain about anything at this point.

 

Rand pinged me with his chat - it struck me as having a nervous tone and I didn't buy his claim that he forgot DM's rules. Just seemed like a weird thing to say, like scum trying to fit in, so I mentioned it.

 

At this point, he's in my top 3 for scum. We'll see what happens when the info starts coming in.

I meant town clearing vs. Scum hunting. Speaking personally, I don't see how someone can do one and not yhe other, but that's a dead horse atp... I just don't see it meaning anything for his alignment

 

Does it make sense when I describe a distinct difference in the way the game sed to be played vs. now? Ed mentioned it, Tigs mentioned it and maybe Adella? So I found it possible odd that Rand came back and didn't mention it.

I did also mention it... In fact this is my first game that I haven't complained about it (so far) lol.

 

 

 

I mentioned it too.

 

Does Rand not mentioning it ping either one of you? 

 

Ok wait now I'm confused, what are you saying I didn't mention?

 

 

 

 

 

notice that she wasn't bothered by me or breathed a word on me up until I started pushing her.

I FEEL this is incorrect, but I'm on my phone with a needle in my vein. I'll try toremember to check when i get home

Nyn was right. I was wrong. Hallia didn't mention her until earlier this afternoon when she discussed Nyn's town.

 

Do you mean when she discussed Nyn's scum? But yeah, solidifies my feeling on how Hally's vote felt like an OMGUS

What's your read on me?

 

Idk actually.  You're acting like you normally do, but that's a null read for me.  In terms of your play, it just seems, like normal idk.  Pretty standard voting pattern for you, nothing out of the blue, you've been going somewhat hard on Hally, though some of what you've said isn't game related so not really?  Kind of a cop out but yeah, I just don't have a read on you right now.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not quoting that cuz I cant trim, but here's the basics.

The town read on Verb is my gut. There is no empirical evidence I can provide you on paper (or screen) to support this. I like how he handled himself calling out the three who voted him so fast. It's what I'd have done.

And you expect better from me? I'm a minor leagues man at best. Im wrong so much that I should do the exact opposite of what my brain says.

Honestly this is why I am not surprised that somehow I am your top scum lean and you are so sure about me being scum.

I dunno. The guy who was making the case about you and Halliia jumping in on Verb asking how I knew he was town (which I still don't know), and then Hallia seeming to distance herself from you is a little convincing. Not much, but a little. It's about the most I see to go on so far, anyway.

 

I feel like no one is standing out as scum right now, but there are some tenuous attempts to throw subs on people, like the Adele/Hallia team theory, early pickings on Rand over the DM swearing policy, and Verbal's shot at me for joking with Nyn about killing towns, but no glaring scum reads.

 

Verbal looks like he's trying the hardest to root out scum, so he gets a town lean from me. Rand is trying too, so he gets a small town lean, and everyone else seems pretty neutral. Soon looked suspicious early on for her Adele. OTR and then taking awhile to address it, plus being snippy and snarky (her words) which might be an attempt to keep people away from her, but it's D1, and we're not even halfwY to deadline, so I think I have time to develop better reads.

 

There is actually decent wifi at the campsite itself, so I can play at night (its night for me now), but I am tired after driving 8 hours and setting up camp, so I don't know how late I'll stay up tonight. At least I got caught up. :)

Something about this posts bugs me, but I can't quite figure out what. I'll come back to it later.

Where's leelou when im in the mood for a spanish off lol

Hey, I'll spanish off any day of the week. Es un idioma hermosa y lo quiero mucho, más que nada por las personas a quienes conocí cuando era misionero. Sin haber aprendido español, no habría conocido a tantas lindas personas.

When i spanish off with lee, she tells me I'm pretty and then there's stroking.

 

 

... where can I enter myself for this spanish off

[Ironeyes]

 

I'm back, for about 45 minutes. That miiiiiiight be enough to catch up properly.

 

 

 

Honestly LZM, you're playing consistent with how you've played lately, so I think this tunnel on me is probably an indication that you're town..

I just want to point out that I don't think any of your tunnels have worked well for you lately, so please try to keep an open mind throughout this game. Something someone says can ping you one way or another, but we need to look at the big picture and players as a whole.

 

Personally, I'm much quicker to name someone town than I am scum, considering only 25% of the players are scum, it's my favorite part of the new playstyle.

 

However, if I had to choose, right now I would say scum is likely Sooh, because of her very strong reactions. Hallia, for the reasons others have pointed out, she hasn't posted any of her own thoughts but has been around quite a bit. And I'm thinking Rand for the third, but that honestly is a bit tainted by some OMGUS. It can't be that tainted though, cause LZM doesn't seem scummy for voting for me. I think it's how he is claiming Hallia has had more content than I have, even though she and I have talked about the same things and my thoughts are much more detailed and fleshed out, I have answered questions, and even repeated myself to some who seemed to ask questions that I have already explained, in the interest of being open and honest a town.

How am I tunneling here? It's D1 ten pages in. I literally caught up and voted you. If I had votd you 3 days running with plenty of evidence to the contrary, then tunnel would be right word.

Tunneling is focusing on one player as scum and refusing to see anything different until they're dead... You're not actually paying attention to everything I say, just the points that fit your view on me. As you said we are only 10 (now more) pages in on D1, there is no way you can have a super solid scum lead on anyone yet.

This isn't right. Tunneling can be town or scum, and in my experience it's more frequently done by town. Scum tend to be leery of being caught in a tunnel and prefer to spread out their reads in order to maintain flexibility.

I see that you're disagreeing... But I'm not finding where exactly our descriptions disagreed lol. Maybe you thought I said the person who does the tunneling is the scum. How that was intended was that someone (generally a townie, I thought it was implied) lets say Person A, tunnels on someone lets say Person B, because person A thinks that person B is scum.

Makes sense. I misunderstood you, thought you meant that tunneling was a scum tactic. 

 

 

 

So, something I've been thinking about. With this setup, town can essentially win in one night if the vigs don't crossfire and all hit scum. While that is not likely, especially N1, I'd like to submit the POTENTIAL IDEA that maybe if a vig plans on taking a shot on any given night, they call it out as to not cross shots with another vig.

Just a thought, and not something I'm saying we need to do......but I'd like to discuss the potential pitfalls and merits.

Still catching up, but I like that. I'm not sure how kills resolve, but at worst, mafia can only stop one of the bugs, and atbest, we win by killing all three in one shot. I agree it's unlikely, but it's possible, especially with the lynch. That gives us 4 chances to kill 3 wolves.

@ bold: Spoken like a Magic player, lol.

 

As far as I know mafia games don't have a "stack" like Magic does, so to speak. Most mods treat kills as happening simultaneously, so if I shoot you and you shoot me, we both die.

Yes! I played from Fourth Edition through Stronghold, and that's what I was thinking of, LIFO or something of the like.

Nice. I learned to play about two years ago, but didn't start playing for real until this summer. So I'm most familiar with the latest block, Amonkhet. 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not quoting that cuz I cant trim, but here's the basics.

The town read on Verb is my gut. There is no empirical evidence I can provide you on paper (or screen) to support this. I like how he handled himself calling out the three who voted him so fast. It's what I'd have done.

And you expect better from me? I'm a minor leagues man at best. Im wrong so much that I should do the exact opposite of what my brain says.

Honestly this is why I am not surprised that somehow I am your top scum lean and you are so sure about me being scum.

I dunno. The guy who was making the case about you and Halliia jumping in on Verb asking how I knew he was town (which I still don't know), and then Hallia seeming to distance herself from you is a little convincing. Not much, but a little. It's about the most I see to go on so far, anyway.

 

I feel like no one is standing out as scum right now, but there are some tenuous attempts to throw subs on people, like the Adele/Hallia team theory, early pickings on Rand over the DM swearing policy, and Verbal's shot at me for joking with Nyn about killing towns, but no glaring scum reads.

 

Verbal looks like he's trying the hardest to root out scum, so he gets a town lean from me. Rand is trying too, so he gets a small town lean, and everyone else seems pretty neutral. Soon looked suspicious early on for her Adele. OTR and then taking awhile to address it, plus being snippy and snarky (her words) which might be an attempt to keep people away from her, but it's D1, and we're not even halfwY to deadline, so I think I have time to develop better reads.

 

There is actually decent wifi at the campsite itself, so I can play at night (its night for me now), but I am tired after driving 8 hours and setting up camp, so I don't know how late I'll stay up tonight. At least I got caught up. :)

Something about this posts bugs me, but I can't quite figure out what. I'll come back to it later.

Where's leelou when im in the mood for a spanish off lol

Hey, I'll spanish off any day of the week. Es un idioma hermosa y lo quiero mucho, más que nada por las personas a quienes conocí cuando era misionero. Sin haber aprendido español, no habría conocido a tantas lindas personas.

When i spanish off with lee, she tells me I'm pretty and then there's stroking.

¿Si te dijera que fueras hermosa, que harías? Sabiendo que soy mormon jaja

 

I think I figured out what was nagging me about Ben's post. He's town reading people for trying hard, which I see as the kind of superficial reading I (and others) do as scum. But he's also pretty new to the game, which is the more likely explanation. 

[Nynaeve]

He's learning the ropes. I dont mind him so far. Or you for that matter. Clov sounds ok so far as well but he's tricksy so loose read.