[Advanced] Ghost in the Shell - MAFIA WIN

[DPR]

3/13? Or 14 if we count TLM.

 

I'll ask again, is it normal for the OP to not have a sample PM for scum?

 

The sample PMs are new to me so idk

 

3 or 4 is a safe bet. 4 obviously puts us at endgame. 

 

Someone else needs to answer about the sample PM's - I've never done those either. 

[DPR]

 

 

 

"Well, what did they tell you this time?"

 

"Every request for a subpoena has been denied. They don't want anyone touching this case. It feels like an inside job." Togusa set down one stack of paper and began filing through the next. "From what I can tell from Yamaguchi's records, it's been that way all along. Even when the Laughing Man task force tried to bring in Serano to ask him what was said during the initial kidnapping, higher ups in the police force found some reason to get out of it. They claimed he was suffering from emotional trauma and needed time to recover. The request was filed over a dozen times in the year following the event, and it kept getting the same answer. Someone's been protecting Serano from testifying."

 

"He might look soft, but he didn't become a billionaire crying himself to sleep," Aramaki replied without even glancing up from his newspaper. "It's obvious that whatever the Laughing Man wanted him to confess would have implicated the government in corruption. Do you still think the fact that Serano Genomics manufactured that surveillance equipment could be a coincidence?"

 

 

Aramaki didn't wait for a response. He rarely did. "We'll leak the information to the public. If they want to tie our hands in the case, maybe some media pressure will shake things up."

I don´t know why I didn´t look for my name in these texts before. I´m Togusa.

I asked everyone to keep an eye out for their character ages ago.

 

 

Did Dice talk about his qt yet? Has Ed commented on his?

 

 

Tigs did confirm that she and dice have a QT.  ed posted earlier that he has a QT, but no one has joined him in it. 

[Nynaeve]

I'll ask again, is it normal for the OP to not have a sample PM for scum?

 

yeah

[Killashandra]

I did for a time think nin may have fake claimed but I am really no longer sure that is so. I think I will work on the assumption she is possibly being honest. I already believed tig and continue to. Has anyone else claimed to be a town aligned hacker?

 

 

 

Tig

 

Nin- working with assumption she is not fake claim

 

Seph and DPR

Though I feel one of these my be deceiving us. They have both been great player though so I can not tell which.

 

Ed but not feeling as sure about him atp. He did not seem to provide enough of what he knew when asked.

 

 

Cass has not been here long enough in Zander's spot yet for me to tell anything all I have is that for most of the game I thought Zander was town.

 

Nyn I dont think I like what she has posted recently and she seems to be hanging back more and more. Though that could go for other players as well after yesterday.

[DPR]

I did for a time think nin may have fake claimed but I am really no longer sure that is so. I think I will work on the assumption she is possibly being honest. I already believed tig and continue to. Has anyone else claimed to be a town aligned hacker?

 

Have you discussed why you changed your mind? Will you sum up why you think she is town? 

 

My problem is that she wasn't honest before. i also have a major issue with the fact that her case on ed had to do with an action by monstr and a highly improbable scenario with the open QT that no one is joining ed in. What do you think about this?

 

I don't believe anyone has claimed town hacker.  

 

 

 

Tig

 

Nin- working with assumption she is not fake claim

 

Seph and DPR

Though I feel one of these my be deceiving us. They have both been great player though so I can not tell which.

 

This is ambiguous. You are welcome to your opinion, but it seems sntiproductive to say we have both been great players, but you don't trust one of us. Will you give your reasoning on this?

 

Ed but not feeling as sure about him atp. He did not seem to provide enough of what he knew when asked.

 

I have to disagree here - Niniel asked him if he did anything last night, and he admitted that he had been invited to a QT and that no one had shown up yet. You say he didn't provide enough of what he knew - what else do you feel he should have provided?

 

Cass has not been here long enough in Zander's spot yet for me to tell anything all I have is that for most of the game I thought Zander was town.

 

Nyn I dont think I like what she has posted recently and she seems to be hanging back more and more. Though that could go for other players as well after yesterday.

 

Again, this is just not factual. Nyn is one of the players that has posted over the last 12 hours and I very much agreed with her points about Niniel's posts and vote on ed. Other than my posts, I'm not sure anyone else has posted anything evidence oriented about Niniel's play. Will you go into more detail abut your opinion here?

 

 

Okay, so, I'm working under the following ideas:

 

1. We have a good bit of time (a day or so) before deadline. We need to use it and we need every player to weigh in. 

2. We can't know how many scum are left, but if it's 4, we need to lynch one today. The good news is, that's just under half of the game, so our odds are good. 

3. We've been spectacularly bad at picking so far. I decided to blank-sheet all of my reads to do a fresh reread - we all need to clear our radars - and post everything we see when we're done. 

4. Personally, I'm looking for actual evidence. that's what I trust. I think everyone needs to dig deep and decide what they trust the most and then go with that.

 

Killa, I've responded above in blue. 

[dicetosser1]

Didn´t Dice dislike my claim because I´m not a hacker? Or do I have that wrong?

 

you have that right

 

 

So Ed was in a QT as well?

 

DPR I get not wanting to reveal as it would give unnecessary info to scum but atp I don't see an option. They are the only ones with any information.

 

I hacked Dice and peeked Ed.

 

The QT is just Dice and myself in it. It came with 0 additional information.

 

No Ed said he was put in a QT but that his hacker didn't show up. The absolute only information I can see that would be gained by these QTs is to find all the hackers.

 

Did Manbat flip hacker? I will go check but if so then maybe that explains why he never showed up in Ed's QT. Idk.

 

As for why they went for Manbat as the kill, all I can figure is that Zander made it pretty clear that if I wasn't NKed then it proved I was scum. Was that where they were going with it?

 

I will tell what Dice and I have talked about if we decide to reveal but I will say this, I am extremely wary of him.

bold is probably true. good point

 

 

is this for real? if the qt happened last night monstr DIED. How can he show up if he is dead?

 

 

 

the problem here is not all hackers are good, from the story line at least

 

 

 

um what now? how do u figure?  im seeing the puppet dude as a scum   hackers and laughing boy are the town

[dicetosser1]

@ed

 

are you a hacker? yes or No.

 

 

i dont want anything else but i want that answer

[Tigraine]

That's my point Dice, Manbat was a hacker so he could've hacked Ed and got the QT but then was killed. Idk how the hack NAs work when the hacker is killed but maybe that's the case. Either way it tells us nothing about Ed's role.

[Killashandra]

 

I did for a time think nin may have fake claimed but I am really no longer sure that is so. I think I will work on the assumption she is possibly being honest. I already believed tig and continue to. Has anyone else claimed to be a town aligned hacker?

 

Have you discussed why you changed your mind? Will you sum up why you think she is town?

 

I think she did well with some of her follow up and giving more information about her tracking. I am not sure at all. But what else so have to work with and her claims fit well with tigs. Maybe she is just really good at that then?

 

My problem is that she wasn't honest before. i also have a major issue with the fact that her case on ed had to do with an action by monstr and a highly improbable scenario with the open QT that no one is joining ed in. What do you think about this?

 

 

 

I don't believe anyone has claimed town hacker.

 

 

 

Tig

 

Nin- working with assumption she is not fake claim

 

Seph and DPR

Though I feel one of these my be deceiving us. They have both been great player though so I can not tell which.

 

This is ambiguous. You are welcome to your opinion, but it seems sntiproductive to say we have both been great players, but you don't trust one of us. Will you give your reasoning on this?

 

You are right it is a little anti productive I suppose. I just feel like we are missing something and you guys are probably the best players in the game. So if someone os pulling wool over everyone's eyes the have to be pretty good. I dont have a real accusation here just a lot of confusion.

 

Ed but not feeling as sure about him atp. He did not seem to provide enough of what he knew when asked.

 

I have to disagree here - Niniel asked him if he did anything last night, and he admitted that he had been invited to a QT and that no one had shown up yet. You say he didn't provide enough of what he knew - what else do you feel he should have provided?

 

I had actually missed this response from Ed and had to go back and look. Thanks for catching that.

 

Cass has not been here long enough in Zander's spot yet for me to tell anything all I have is that for most of the game I thought Zander was town.

 

Nyn I dont think I like what she has posted recently and she seems to be hanging back more and more. Though that could go for other players as well after yesterday.

 

Again, this is just not factual. Nyn is one of the players that has posted over the last 12 hours and I very much agreed with her points about Niniel's posts and vote on ed. Other than my posts, I'm not sure anyone else has posted anything evidence oriented about Niniel's play. Will you go into more detail abut your opinion here?

I will but I am on my phone. My kids are watching a cartoon on my lap top so I have to go steal it back first.

 

 

Okay, so, I'm working under the following ideas:

 

1. We have a good bit of time (a day or so) before deadline. We need to use it and we need every player to weigh in.

2. We can't know how many scum are left, but if it's 4, we need to lynch one today. The good news is, that's just under half of the game, so our odds are good.

3. We've been spectacularly bad at picking so far. I decided to blank-sheet all of my reads to do a fresh reread - we all need to clear our radars - and post everything we see when we're done.

 

This is a great idea.

 

4. Personally, I'm looking for actual evidence. that's what I trust. I think everyone needs to dig deep and decide what they trust the most and then go with that.

 

Killa, I've responded above in blue.

Response in green.

[DPR]

Ahhhh yes, the old "can I get my computer back for just a minute?" dilemma. 

 

My son is 7. He'll look up at me and say "is it for work or mafia?" Truth. 

 

IRT Niniel & ed:

 

Niniel asked ed first, saying that she "might" know something about him. But she didn't know anything about him - she knew about monstr.

 

So she floated that out there like a trap.

 

ed talked about the QT before Niniel gave the details of her results and voted. 

 

Then she claimed that she tracked monstr visiting ed - and this is after she first claimed 1x, then reversed that with the "who should I track?" post. 

 

She rolls it all up and comes up with the idea that monstr visited ed and died, based on monstr hacked ed.

 

Which is completely ridiculous - Tigs is a hacker too. No way she dies if she "hacks a mafia".

 

Not to mention game numbers. Monstr was a hacker and I'll bet there are others. They can't all die if they hack mafia. 

 

And I just don't see a QT being created if it's not going to be used. What's the point? 

 

Bogus attempt at a mafia win imo. 

[Tigraine]

Ahhhh yes, the old "can I get my computer back for just a minute?" dilemma.

 

My son is 7. He'll look up at me and say "is it for work or mafia?" Truth.

 

 

love it!

 

As for the rest what do you suggest we do? I know you're against the idea of a mass reveal and I guess since hackers appear to have not gotten any results night one, that's as easy to claim as VT. I would really love to know where the results are to my peeks.

[Nynaeve]

Morning guys. It's a work day so ill be catching up after as per usual.

[Nynaeve]

Fyi about the mass claim discussion, I'm not really a fan, but with that said, if the player who has the peek results has a ted peek at hand, this is a good time to come forward cause we need a sure thing today to work from.

[Nynaeve]

A red peek would be helpful too lol

[Nynaeve]

Did cass catch up while i was sleeping?

[Shad_]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Niniel (2) - Dice, DPR

 

Ed (1) - Niniel

 

Not Voting: Seph, Killashandra, Nynaeve, Cass, ed2funy, Tigraine

 

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

 

 

Goodnight!

[ed2funy]

@ed

 

are you a hacker? yes or No.

 

 

i dont want anything else but i want that answer

Yes, I am. Are you?

 

Had a long drive to Texas and then spent some time with Adella before driving some more to meet with friends. Surprising my best friend's mom with a belated birthday lunch tomorrow. Catching up and trying to response to everything that I was skimming while driving. HEP

[Shad_]

"You did the best you could. And the assassination ultimately failed. These things happen." Batou was a hard man, but he felt Section 9's loss as much as anyone else.

"There were moments... when they could have gotten off a clean shot on Daito. They were focused on fighting us. The target should have been their primary objective. It wasn't."  Motoko stared into the floor while she spoke, her face expressionless.

 

"I watched the video.  The Superintendent-General looked terrified.  He didn't see this coming," Batou countered.

 

"He's just a puppet anyway.  It was probably easier to leave him in the dark."

 

"You're that certain this was an inside job?"

"I traced the hack with ease once the guards were down."  Motoko continued to stare off into space as she spoke.  "It wasn't sloppy.  He just didn't even try to cover his trail.  The Puppet Master wants us to come to him."

 

"The Puppet Master?"  Batou gave her a worried glance, if only for an instant.  "Ishikawa speculated as much, but it was just a hunch.  We have no proof."

 

"No, it's him."

 

"How can you be so sure?"

 

"Because he has been calling to me.  He wants me to... join him."

 

"I don't follow."

 

"He seems to think he can merge himself with my cyberbrain.  He thinks mine is the only one advanced enough to accomplish this."

 

"Why?"

 

"He wants to evolve."

[ed2funy]

Here's what I know:

 

I'm a Hacker. I tried to Hack Killa N1 but nothing happened. I got same stupid link tigs got.

N2 I holstered. Kind of just wondered if it turned out to be a bad thing in some way, Hacking. That was after I asked if I could Hack myself and was told no because a link was already there.

 

Then, I got a QT and I'm still the only one to post. IF ANYONE IS ON THE QT, PLEASE NOW!

 

Nini, tell me why I shouldn't think you're trying to set me up in some way?

 

Whoever (whomever?) is getting Tigs results should come forward, yeah? Anyone? *shouts into the void*

 

Gah. I have my notes on my laptop. Gonna have to retype them and I'm tired af

 

I'm thinking 3 Mafia in this game, personally. But TLM throws everything into questioning WIFOM.

 

Gah, anyone have questions rn? I'm sleepy and may pass out soon.

 

Can't think of what else was asked/discussed rn

[ed2funy]

Please post now*

[Cass]

Here's what I know:

 

I'm a Hacker. I tried to Hack Killa N1 but nothing happened. I got same stupid link tigs got.

N2 I holstered. Kind of just wondered if it turned out to be a bad thing in some way, Hacking. That was after I asked if I could Hack myself and was told no because a link was already there.

 

Then, I got a QT and I'm still the only one to post. IF ANYONE IS ON THE QT, PLEASE NOW!

 

Nini, tell me why I shouldn't think you're trying to set me up in some way?

 

Whoever (whomever?) is getting Tigs results should come forward, yeah? Anyone? *shouts into the void*

 

Gah. I have my notes on my laptop. Gonna have to retype them and I'm tired af

 

I'm thinking 3 Mafia in this game, personally. But TLM throws everything into questioning WIFOM.

 

Gah, anyone have questions rn? I'm sleepy and may pass out soon.

 

Can't think of what else was asked/discussed rn

 

Have been skimming through on mobile at work trying to piece things together best I can, day has been busier than expected but we're about to knock off and I should have computer time tonight to gather thoughts/get them out but

 

 

@Ed - What 'stupid message' did you get, and which 'stupid message' of Tigs' are you referring to?

 

@Tigs - Can you confirm whether your 'stupid message' was in response to your Hack attempt or your Cop view?

 

 

My understanding was that the message you talk about receiving was in response to the Cop view. Have I missed something out before this?

 

If there has been no other mention of Tigs receiving a 'stupid message', then 

 

*Pokes Ed*

 

Are you a wolf?

[Niniel]

 

 

Do we know that your reports goes to one and the same person each night?

No, I can't even say FOR SURE that they go to a person. It just tells me something goes wrong when they are being transmitted back and that I don't receive the results directly.

 

Could it be that we have to trigger something to get the results? Idk. Trying to think creatively is a feat beyond my brain functions.

 

imo olook at the post involving you. it looks like you are being blocked, but someone is trying to break though

 

 

Where? We should go over the text again. Noone alive has seen this before? I think only Lenlo said that he had. 

 

 

I'm on mobile and it is crap, so this will be brief: I don't see any way ModShad sends a player a link to a QT that won't be used.

 

I think Niniel set that up to mislynch or bus ed - I think she hacked him and that's why there is no one answering him.

 

She lied about her role and we have no way to prove any of her info.

 

She's using Monstr because he can't refute her. She planned when she killed him.

 

I will answer this in my next post. I have not hacked Ed. I´m not a hacker. 

 

 

I guess three but who knows with TLM?

 

 

LOL. If it's 4, we'd be in trouble thinking 3, now wouldn't we. 

 

You we're wondering about TLM - why didn't you just ask?

 

@ ShadMod - Does TLM count as a player on the field? 

 

 

What should I have asked? If he was a player? Why haven´t anyone asked? And he said that he will ignore questions in the game.

 

What I did ask was if I could track the TLM and he said yes. 

 

Ahhhh yes, the old "can I get my computer back for just a minute?" dilemma. 

 

My son is 7. He'll look up at me and say "is it for work or mafia?" Truth. 

 

IRT Niniel & ed:

 

Niniel asked ed first, saying that she "might" know something about him. But she didn't know anything about him - she knew about monstr.

 

So she floated that out there like a trap.

 

ed talked about the QT before Niniel gave the details of her results and voted. 

 

Then she claimed that she tracked monstr visiting ed - and this is after she first claimed 1x, then reversed that with the "who should I track?" post. 

 

She rolls it all up and comes up with the idea that monstr visited ed and died, based on monstr hacked ed.

 

Which is completely ridiculous - Tigs is a hacker too. No way she dies if she "hacks a mafia".

 

Not to mention game numbers. Monstr was a hacker and I'll bet there are others. They can't all die if they hack mafia. 

 

And I just don't see a QT being created if it's not going to be used. What's the point? 

 

Bogus attempt at a mafia win imo. 

 

Yeh, having one laptop and kids are not a good combination. I just have to share it with my daughter. What a cruel world. :D 

 

Again, will answer in the next post.

 

Fyi about the mass claim discussion, I'm not really a fan, but with that said, if the player who has the peek results has a ted peek at hand, this is a good time to come forward cause we need a sure thing today to work from.

 

Absolutely. 

 

 

Here's what I know:

 

I'm a Hacker. I tried to Hack Killa N1 but nothing happened. I got same stupid link tigs got.

N2 I holstered. Kind of just wondered if it turned out to be a bad thing in some way, Hacking. That was after I asked if I could Hack myself and was told no because a link was already there.

 

Then, I got a QT and I'm still the only one to post. IF ANYONE IS ON THE QT, PLEASE NOW!

 

Nini, tell me why I shouldn't think you're trying to set me up in some way?

 

Whoever (whomever?) is getting Tigs results should come forward, yeah? Anyone? *shouts into the void*

 

Gah. I have my notes on my laptop. Gonna have to retype them and I'm tired af

 

I'm thinking 3 Mafia in this game, personally. But TLM throws everything into questioning WIFOM.

 

Gah, anyone have questions rn? I'm sleepy and may pass out soon.

 

Can't think of what else was asked/discussed rn

 

New info. Will try to make a new post about what we have so far soon. I will answer the things about me in the next post. 

[Niniel]

 

Here's what I know:

 

I'm a Hacker. I tried to Hack Killa N1 but nothing happened. I got same stupid link tigs got.

N2 I holstered. Kind of just wondered if it turned out to be a bad thing in some way, Hacking. That was after I asked if I could Hack myself and was told no because a link was already there.

 

Then, I got a QT and I'm still the only one to post. IF ANYONE IS ON THE QT, PLEASE NOW!

 

Nini, tell me why I shouldn't think you're trying to set me up in some way?

 

Whoever (whomever?) is getting Tigs results should come forward, yeah? Anyone? *shouts into the void*

 

Gah. I have my notes on my laptop. Gonna have to retype them and I'm tired af

 

I'm thinking 3 Mafia in this game, personally. But TLM throws everything into questioning WIFOM.

 

Gah, anyone have questions rn? I'm sleepy and may pass out soon.

 

Can't think of what else was asked/discussed rn

 

Have been skimming through on mobile at work trying to piece things together best I can, day has been busier than expected but we're about to knock off and I should have computer time tonight to gather thoughts/get them out but

 

 

@Ed - What 'stupid message' did you get, and which 'stupid message' of Tigs' are you referring to?

 

@Tigs - Can you confirm whether your 'stupid message' was in response to your Hack attempt or your Cop view?

 

 

My understanding was that the message you talk about receiving was in response to the Cop view. Have I missed something out before this?

 

If there has been no other mention of Tigs receiving a 'stupid message', then 

 

*Pokes Ed*

 

Are you a wolf?

 

 

I´m so happy that you are here. 

[Niniel]

First - about my claim.

 

D1: I get my PM. I ask if I can track TLM. I got a yes. 

N1: I decided to track TLM to see if we could get any info.

 

D2: I revealed that TLM didn´t go nowhere. This is true. I said that I was 1X tracker. That was not true. It was just a way to not get killed or blocked. I am limited though, I can´t track for the whole game. 

Tigs revealed and I thought by hinting that I could track more that they would target me instead of her since I think her role is more important than mine. (Well, that is true if we get those reports sometime.)

N2: I tracked Manbat. He visited Ed.

 

 

D3: I told everyone that Manbat had visited Ed. I thought it was really weird that Manbat died the same night that he visited Ed so I pretended to have info about Ed to see what he would say. He only had some link to an empty qt. 

 

Then my assumptions began and I asked you to say what you thought about it. They could be wrong, of course. Actually, some of it seems to be not very good thinking from my side. 

 

I felt that Manbat was a very strange target + I thought he was vanilla. He isn´t, I corrected myself there. But it still remains that he is a strange target. That is why I thought it was so weird that he died visiting Ed. And I had Ed in my poe before that. Like the only one I thought was mafia really. 

 

 

But lets look at what we know.

 

Ed got a link to an empty qt. I need to check when he said that compared to when he got the link. How long had he waited before he said it was empty?

It could be that Manbat hacked him and that´s why he got the qt link. Now I really don´t know how Shad would play that. Would he really give Ed a link if Manbat had died. That seems really strange. I doubt it but I can´t be sure of course. 

 

If that link didn´t kill him then mafia or someone else killed him. We have only had one nk each night. If it´s an "ordinary" nk then Manbat must be on to something. 

 

 

Did I explain myself better this time? 

 

 

Dice, you didn´t trust me since you thought that PR´s should all be trackers. But it seems like trackers have thier own abilities and I´m not a tracker. 

[Niniel]

What we know/what people have claimed:

 

 

N1: 

 

Nini: tracks TLM, didn´t move

Tigs: views DPR - noone has claimed the result

Tigs: hacked Zander but nothing happend

Ed: hacked Killa but nothing happend

 

 

N2: 

Nini: tracks Manbat. He visited Ed.

Tigs: views Ed - noone has claimed the result

Tigs: hacked Dice and got a qt link

Ed: holsters. Get a qt link. Noone is in the qt.

 

 

 

Nyn, Tigs and Nini haven´t got the cop reports. Seph didn´t get one the first night. 

 

 

 

 

About thinking outside the box:

 

Tigs have wondered if there might not be a mafia at all. She also wondered if we need to trigger something to get a result.

 

Lenlo thought we should lynch TLM.

 

Seph says that if we check the story not all hackers are good.

 

Dice thinks mafia is the puppet dude and that hackers and TLM are town.