DojoToad
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I understand that I am in the minority here, it's just, well, we could have been so happy together...
And my point was that this story was modeled after life. The best laid plans of the mighty and the low often do not come to fruition during their life. But if a fictional heroine’s death frustrates you - my condolences…
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I have never heard of anyone naming their kids after WoT, I had two Guinea Pigs called Esme and Nanny after Granny Esmerelda Weatherwax and Nanny Gytha Ogg. Closest I have gotten.
Though I bet someone has, I met a guy online in a game once that when he heard that I was from Scotland says, completely deadpan, "Cool, one of my kids is called that", yup he had three kids called Scotland, Iceland and Norway. Seemed completely sincere.
One of the things I like about the Netherlands is that when you name your kids it has to be approved by the government and they can totally refuse accept the registration on grounds of stupidity. No one born here gets called Peachielalagoogles. It is literally the law.
Yes, government control is awesome.
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But, but, but, the pattern is balance. If Rand was doing this, it could be messing about with powers that he has no concept of (does that sound ominous enough?). How would the pattern balance the lighting of his pipe out?
Wait, you mean, all those time that my lighter did not work when I smoked, getting cramp from trying to cup my hand in some way that could shield the cigarette from 360 degrees in the Edinburgh wind... Rand, I hate you.
Uh-oh. Fiction reaching into the real world again. Damn!
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I am so happy that so many people appear to have been able to appreciate Egwene's contribution. And her story arc.
Because I could not. It was dumb. It was rushed. It made no sense. It sapped my will to live.
Egwene's arc was to be the greatest Amyrlin of all time. She was meant to mold the White Tower into something it had never been before, overcoming the pettiness, the suspicion, the unwillingness to work together. Instead she is a footnote. She was raised as a puppet for the rebels, took over the tower as Elaida was abducted by the Seanchan. She raised rebellion, her siege failed, she was captured and she was Amyrlin for what, a few months? Everything she was working for would be undone, or half-heartedly implemented by those who did not believe. Her death in the Last Battle makes her life a failure, at least as how it will appear to the history books. The youngest ever Amyrlin due to circumstances, died in the last battle, achieved nothing.
Yes, she had planned to do all you said. She was cut down before those things were realized. But she inspired many on both sides of the Tower rift. And they will likely accomplish many of Egwene's goals because of her selfless example and sacrifice. She planted a seed. They will succeed to a greater or lesser extent, and in some areas they will fail or go against her vision. But we don't know, nor can we, how successful Egwene would have been either.
ExpandWould Alexander the Great be as revered if he had died conquering Greece? Meh.
And it was such a stupid death. Taim was not even a real Forsaken. He turned a few Asha'man who were taken by surprise and could not fight back. Oooo. They will be scaring kids for centuries with stories like that. Logain or Androl should have clocked his ticket. And she, in the moment of death, wove the opposite of balefire. You mean she reversed the positronic capacitors while transmogrifying (wait, that is a real word? are you fecking kidding me spellchecker?) the semi-valent downward flow shift? You should have thought of that earlier Scotty! And she named it? While dying? I call it the Egwene Maneuver, everyone will be doing it soon, even though I'll be dead in a few seconds. But no honestly in the middle of battle everyone will have learnt the weave, its not like there are any distractions or that it is unusual to be able to learn a weave from one viewing, and people aren't so exhausted that they can barely stand. It's all good, honestly.
It's sad. I like to consider myself good with words, but no, I cannot express my disappointment adequately. I mean losing any of the main characters would suck, but Egwene had been through so much, had worked so hard, and had so much still to do. But as she was not part of Rand's harem, nor needed for the planned sequels, she is bumped off, in the most ridiculous manner.
Losing main characters sucks - really? That is life. That is reality. Stick with children's books or the Hallmark channel if you want a happy ending. How much more could MLK or JFK have done if their lives had not been cut short. Or how about the young person just leaving college or starting their first 'real' job with great hopes and aspirations to improve the world = but their life is ended by a thug wanting drug money or they made a stupid decision to drink and drive while celebrating. It sucks, but it is real. I don't see how Egwene's death makes the books less.
ExpandI really am glad that not everyone experienced it the same. I guess the idea was to have you weeping, but for me sorry, abject failure.
"My husband rides to Tarwin's Gap. Will he ride alone?" That had me in tears, heck, I'm tearing up just typing it. Egwene dying makes me want to hurt someone.
Life is pain. Life is joy. Be prepared for both. How you react is your choice.
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I am not arguing with your general post, only those two details:
- the way I saw it, nynaeve wasn't "training with the warders" for 5 months. she was spending her free time with friends. as for working on her block, she was acting pretty much like in the books on that topic
And the White Tower was content to let her have all this free time instead of battering down her block. They go on and on about how few girls come to the tower and the lack of power of those that do come. Yet - let's let her play with the warders. I don't buy it.
Expand- nynaeve wasn't openly rude to any sister, but to alanna specifically. alanna has shown many times to be a very friendly and easygoing aes sedai. one with whom you can take more confidence than with others. also, nynaeve saved her life.
talking like that to any other sister would have earned nynaeve a trip to the mistress of novices, but I feel like, with alanna, she could get away with it.
notice how she doesn't go that far with liandrin
She didn't go as far with Liandrin, but she was still rude: "What are you doing here?" And without the Aes Sedai honorific. If she is rude with these two, she is rude with others (likely). No trips to Sheriam.
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I went in hopeful and came out deflated. CGI and overall visuals were improved over S1. I understand the need for changes in the adaptation and even like some. But too many I don't like, understand, or agree with. The show is definitely not for me.
- Nynaeve training with the warders for 5 months - shouldn't she be working on her block?
- Nynaeve open rudeness to sisters with no punishment
- Lan - I have no problem with Daniel's acting or fitness (beast!), but he looks like he's had his sword for two days not his entire life
- Moiraine - a 'broken' Aes Sedai plays cat-and-mouse with a Fade before killing it with a dagger
- Domon - silly, but the moustache was an unnecessary change. Very small, but they add up
- Fade fight - though two have already been killed, whenever the remaining Fades have an advantage they pose and loom rather than finishing the kill
I hope those that are enjoying the show continue to do so. It is the books for me. Wish I could love both...
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My struggle with believing that Moiraine is shielded and not stilled is that we get no indication that Moiraine doesn't think she is stilled. Aes Sedai practice shielding each other to learn how to do it. Thus, Moiraine would have experience being shielded. How does she not know that she is shielded?
Because a man did it?
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Welcome to the party. Some think very much like you, others the opposite and some trying to ride the fence.
Personally, I lean more toward that Rafe is making unneeded changes. Haven't watched S2 yet, but from S1 I liked some changes: Mat's family having Coplin/Congar type problems, Logain being introduced early, Moiraine using the inn to crush trollocs...
Others I can't get on board with: Ninja Nynaeve, untrained (or minimally trained) channelers pulling off the miraculous, Perrin's wife, Borderlanders being suspicious of Aes Sedai, etc...
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I'm sure being unable to sense them didn't help anything.
I feel like taking on two fades at Night, is a LOT, even for Lan.If I'm going to nitpick.
I'm going to nitpick about Lan picking up a blade forged in Thakan'dar and attempting to fight off two Fades with two blades.
I dunno if it's deadly for a human to wield one... but it feels wrong for Lan to pick one up.Getting hit by so many of those blades. That just feels wrong. Wrong enough that they had to have changed the lore of how deadly those blades were. Or at least, they're not being consistent on when it's deadly and when it's not.
(Or... Verin just really wanted Moiraine to move out of her house and that's some next level Passive Aggressive tactics there...)
Speaking of Verin.. Did we catch her fibbin' to Lan? In Regards "of course Moiraine's coming down for Dinnner!"LOL. Guess I should hold my questions until I watch the show (tonight). Didn't realize two fades had at him.
They changed the deadliness of Mat's dagger. Can't say I'm surprised if they did the same to the Fade weapons.
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I haven’t been able to make sense of this, perhaps you or someone can tell me what I’m missing. Do we ever learn what “the tell” is? Or how it’s possible that her long term bonded warder could have been unaware of it?
TV Lan is not book Lan.
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I might be misinterpreting your question. Having disclosed that I don’t fully understand the mechanism behind the bowl of the winds, but when we see it used in the books there were no men present. However, I’m pretty sure whoever is facilitating the narrative through their point of view IIRC remarks upon some awareness of saidin interacting somehow anyway. I could be completely wrong here though, I haven’t reread the books repeatedly.
My assumption was that since the bowl accessed saidin, that men were involved in creation of the bowl.
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In the age of legends there was a global network of Terangreal to control the weather, but those terangreal were not bowls of wind, those were something else.
the bowl of winds was probably created after the sealing of the Bore. Once the global network was shattered, one or more powerful surviving female Aes Sedai from the Age of Legends created it to prevent the world from being covered in storms and the necessary weaves were given to the Seafolk.
Thought the bowl accessed saidin. Wouldn't that require men?
Either way, can't have the climate changing...
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I don't like seeing Lan take such a beating in a fight, and I felt like the lighting of that scene was too dark.
Did he take a beating because he is no longer linked to Moiraine? His fighting ability diminished because he's dealing with the severed link?
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Rewatched Episode 1 last night.
I never really disliked the episode as much as some in the fanbase did. I still think it's ok for the most part, with some pacing issues especially towards the end. What I especially like about it is the carefree camaraderie between the boys which doesn't really appear in the rest of the season. The way Rand & Perrin chip in to help Mat's money issues for example.
The episode looks beautiful as well which is something I didn't quite appreciate on first watch. The landscape really is quite stunning with the mountains.
One might hate the changes when it comes to Mat's parents or Perrin having a wife, but to me it was at least done well enough that it didn't feel out of place within the show universe.
The fight scenes looked good as well. I'm now more appreciative of Lan's effort during the fight. Some gripe about Tam "losing" against only one trolloc but the trolloc looked fierce enough that it doesn't look like incompetense on Tam's part imo. The rest of the villagers are able to hold their own but it looks more like a mad scramble on their part, and mostly it's with several villagers against one trolloc, and Moiraine at least once saves the girls from certain death.
On the negative side it's a bit hard to overlook some logical issues like Lan & Moiraine not telling anyone that there were trollocs around the town before the attack. The casual mention of "rumours of four ta'veren" still doesn't make much sense. To me the biggest negative is still the rushed ending and the casualness with which the EF4 react to Moiraine claiming one of them is the Dragon. Also Rand's accusatory tone towards Moiraine right after she healed Tam felt really out of place.
The scene where Lan introduces Moiraine looked kind of awkward but I think the original idea might have been to show one of the black riders before that scene which would lead the viewers to think a bad guy was walking into the inn.
Biggest problem with the fight scene for me (other than the look of the trollocs) - A trolloc was charging Moiraine from behind, Lan sees this and throws a large dagger at the trolloc. I'll give Lan the kill in this fun choreographed fantasy battle, but the trolloc flew backwards! There is no way.
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Todays the day…
Hopeful, but with extra girded loins.
Not for me - I have to work early tomorrow. So Friday after work is the best I can do.
Enjoy!!
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@DojoToadYou have a stronger will than I, letting S2E3 just sit there while you go back to re-watch all of season 1.
I just re-watched season 1 over the weekend, and I was pleasantly surprised at how solid episodes 1-7 are. If season 2 improves on these episodes, I think it'll be worth the watch.Ha. It will only take me a day to watch all of S1 - the wife works Sat, Sun, Mon this weekend...
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I see your point here but respectfully must disagree, not that I see my opinion as right and/or yours wrong but I just wanted to say that I was frustrated with gawyn much sooner. To be specific it first happened for me and was excruciatingly frustrating when he facilitated the battle to take down siuan and then immediately changes course and frees her. Pick a lane, gawyn! I’m not saying it’s the fact that he had a change of heart, it’s that he never really did. He seems to just do stuff and then do other contradictory stuff without any clear understanding of why he’s doing things. Another example of RJ writing characters who reflect very real human flaws, so I don’t object to gawyn or his actions as a whole, just stating that he frequently frustrated me much earlier on than he did you 😊
Yes - that and his whole not wanting to be controlled by the Tower but not breaking away.
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I'm going in even fresher than you. No re-watch of S1. I will watch the first episode of S2 and if I like it will then watch the 2nd episode. If I like that as well, then I will go back and watch all of S1 'knowing' that S2 was a vast improvement and I'll just need to live with a weak S1 to fully enjoy the show as a whole. And as others have said, maybe S2 lifts up S1 through connections, explanations, etc...
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Is everyone enjoying the new scenes?
- Darkfriend social - haven't seen yet
- Nynaeve before going into the 3 rings - really liked this one
- Rand and Selene romance - really disliked this one
- Ishamael freeing Lanfear from her prison - haven't seen yet
- White tower novice lesson with Alanna - liked it - book Nynaeve to a T
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Yes. See, they show one character learn something to show the audience a concept, only for another character to use that same concept later on to do something completely different on a much grander level...
I'm just wondering if Nynaeve comes up with the cleansing process rather than Rand. 🤔
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Random question…have you or anyone you know named any human or animal children after WOT characters?
in Wheel of Time Books
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And when the government is people like Fetterman, Trump, Menendez, Giuliani, Biden, Boebert, Feinstein, etc... These are the people you want protecting children? Not saying there is never a reason for intervention, but blanket oversight rarely leads to best outcomes in the majority of cases. They help some, harm others, and are probably close to neutral for the majority.
Anyway, back on topic. I'm thinking the TV show will help get the names out there more. Per my initial response in this thread, I have never run across a Randland name in the wild.