DEMONOLOGY - GAME THREAD

[Kaylee]

 

Why? It's in my vote post. ???

Because I couldn't remember seeing a reason. I've since grabbed the quote. You seem concerned about it and that is noted.

[Nynaeve]

DPR isn't available right now, btw. Too busy dealing with his own inner demons.... and probably an itchy crotch. 

[Zander?]

 

1. Sometimes depending on the roster but not typically.

 

2. It's happened a few times recently.

 

1. Fair. Seems opposite based on what I've been reading.

 

2. So overall, not so much?  Meaning, maybe what I'm referring to is ineffective? 

 

What are your current reads?

 

You've posted things like the above but I don't recall any reads from you.

 

I'm not liking what I'm reading for David.  Zander just pinged big time.

 

 

I find this ironic considering youve played with me before.

 

Do you feel me making connections is alignment indicative for me or is it a rule of thumb type thing for you?

 

 

 

For those who know 80 at JN - is David like him?   He thinks he throwing out logic but he's not? 

 

I know 80 better then David, Ive never played with him before iirc.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

TBH despite a number of Dave's posts from now make me go he's still far more likely to be Town imo.

And if I'm wrong it'll become increasingly obvious later in the game with what I've seen thus far. Not lynching him today

Aj this is wolfy from you, looks like conceeding a townie.

I'm not sure what you mean

 

 

Changing avi's mid game is Wolfy AF imo.

 

 

  

 

 

Wolfy AF

 

 

Tiink

 

Wolfy AF

[Kaylee]

Zander: basically nobody has said or some anything yet to make me want to vote them. I have some I trust and a bunch I don't. Of the trains we have I'd go work Snow. That's what I was saying.

[Zander?]

In no specific order:

 

Town: 

 

Kaylee

Tiink

 

Scum:

David

Lenlo

 

Always happy with a Zander lynch. 

 

Going to try to figure out where I stand on Boo and AJ before I leave for work. 

Darthe (imo) usually needs to be mechanically solved, b/c he'll do anything as either alignment. 

Dice is pretty null atm for me. 

 

#raisins?

[Tiinker]

I feel like we've got a game now.

[Nolder]

 

@1153 game's not going anywhere because

 

 

Zander 255 Shad_ 134 David Hermes 94 dicetosser1 89 Kaylee 84 Darthe 74 Tiinker 66 Andrej 65 Songstress 44 DreadPirateRoberts 36 Nynaeve 33 BooBoo 32 鲍勃不是我的名字 27 John Snow 27 Verbal32 25 Lenlo 25 Nolder 21 Leelou 12 Krakalakachkn 6 amegakure 5 Pralaya 3 The Crusher 2

 

BS

 

Most of the top posts are spam and replying to spam ad nasuem.

 

I'm not saying my post count couldn't be higher or I couldn't give more insightful posts, as could many, but the reason the game isn't going anywhere is because no one is willing to stick their neck out, vote someone, and debate it a little. Let alone actually build a train and put some pressure on someone.

 

You want to see some action? Let's build a train.

 

Unvote

 

Vote John Snow

[Zander?]

 

@1153 game's not going anywhere because

 

 

Zander 255 Shad_ 134 David Hermes 94 dicetosser1 89 Kaylee 84 Darthe 74 Tiinker 66 Andrej 65 Songstress 44 DreadPirateRoberts 36 Nynaeve 33 BooBoo 32 鲍勃不是我的名字 27 John Snow 27 Verbal32 25 Lenlo 25 Nolder 21 Leelou 12 Krakalakachkn 6 amegakure 5 Pralaya 3 The Crusher 2

 

 

That Zander douche needs to STFU imo.

 

 

On a game related note am I the only one who cringed at Pral's "ZOMG Zander so towny" post?

 

It was a joke right?

The emotions were real, bro

 

 

Reads?!?!?!!?

[Andrej]

I feel like we've got a game now.

That we do.

[Darthe]

The reason I can't get that behind a David lynch is because the trajectory of his play has been the following:

 

"Hey guys, nice to meet you."

"I'm going to try and find my footing here and have a bit of fun."

"God damn I'm catching a bit of heat I better say I was joking to make it clear."

"My ass is basically now on fire. I've got to retaliate and show them I'm not gonna be shoved around even if what I'm saying doesn't make coherent sense. Non chalant mode engaged."

"Okay, we seem to have come to some sort of agreement somehow. Time to be a bit aloof."

"Cool."

 

It was more awkward than something that was going to super ping my scumdar. This has happened to new visitors again and again, albeit a few details changed, on DM because they're the first people everyone jumps on because people aren't familiar with them. If I read his posts from a standpoint of "nervous returning character" then I can buy all the shit that he's saying whereas if I read it as scum then some of it is just wtf.

This is a hell of a read, ftr

[BooBoo]

Hi Boo Boo

 

Sup shorty? 

[Nolder]

DO YOU WANT TO BUILD A TRAIN, MAN?

 

[Zander?]

I still feel like David's bad scum, not noob town. IDK. 

 

Ive been debating this over and over.

 

 

 

 

@1153 game's not going anywhere because

 

 

Zander 255 Shad_ 134 David Hermes 94 dicetosser1 89 Kaylee 84 Darthe 74 Tiinker 66 Andrej 65 Songstress 44 DreadPirateRoberts 36 Nynaeve 33 BooBoo 32 鲍勃不是我的名字 27 John Snow 27 Verbal32 25 Lenlo 25 Nolder 21 Leelou 12 Krakalakachkn 6 amegakure 5 Pralaya 3 The Crusher 2

 

 

I think we're gonna disagree a few times this game - the problem I see is:

 

Zander 255 Shad_ 134 Krakalakachkn 6 amegakure 5 Pralaya 3 The Crusher 2

 

Both are just as bad, imo.  Sorry.

 

 

[Tiinker]

 

 

Leelou and Verbal I'd like to know where you are at with thoughts as well. Everyone really but you've both been around. Verb has more content but is like a recent thoughts or reads list please.

I've read the game, I'll say that. I have not, however, paid enough attention to the game that I can form a reads list yet. It has been a long time since I played a game with this many players, so I'm actually kinda hoping bodies hit the floor over this next phase or two and thin the herd out.

 

THEN I'm prepared to go ham. Until then, I have a few soft town reads (Dice, Darthe) and everybody else is WTL. That said, I might not want to lynch Hermes (I did at first) - his explanations have seemed to come from a townie POV.

I have no time to shift through what is spam and what is not at the moment. I am working on a decent sized project at work that involves how we will be reallocating our work. My vote is a real vote though, that's all I've got for now.

 

 

Lol when will you have time? Are we supposed to wait for you to finish cause your D1 doesn't seem too great.

[Darthe]

 

 

-snip-

But I has no team mates ,_, at least not any that I'm aware of. (hint hint the right people will know what I mean by that)

In case people want to get some clarification on my playstyle: firstly I'm town. Sometimes I comment to fish for reactions. Since I have a certain role, I'm trying to find hints for who else has roles that are relevant to me in the game.

And I do like to joke/troll to frustrate you guys

 

Yeah, definitely happy here. Rereading David, I caught these. These two posts, paired, read as Symp.

Wot.

Missed this quoted post til now, prob gonna vote JS once im current

[BooBoo]

 

 

@1153 game's not going anywhere because

 

 

Zander 255 Shad_ 134 David Hermes 94 dicetosser1 89 Kaylee 84 Darthe 74 Tiinker 66 Andrej 65 Songstress 44 DreadPirateRoberts 36 Nynaeve 33 BooBoo 32 鲍勃不是我的名字 27 John Snow 27 Verbal32 25 Lenlo 25 Nolder 21 Leelou 12 Krakalakachkn 6 amegakure 5 Pralaya 3 The Crusher 2

 

BS

 

Most of the top posts are spam and replying to spam ad nasuem.

 

I'm not saying my post count couldn't be higher or I couldn't give more insightful posts, as could many, but the reason the game isn't going anywhere is because no one is willing to stick their neck out, vote someone, and debate it a little. Let alone actually build a train and put some pressure on someone.

 

You want to see some action? Let's build a train.

 

Unvote

 

Vote John Snow

 

 

I'll follow.  I can smell some of what everyone is stepping when it comes to John.  And numerous people are coming out saying they're not going to vote David so I feel like I'm wasting my time.

 

Unvote

Vote John Snow.

 

Lets do sumtin! 

[BooBoo]

Besides, Game of Thrones is stupid!!!

[Nynaeve]

Besides, Game of Thrones is stupid!!!

 

^^^

[Zander?]

 

I dont know if Shad's actually feeling this atp, or just posting it because its what Town!Shad would normally do.

 

FML

I certainly could write that post as a wolf.

 

Probably wouldn't think to unless someone specifically asked me about my read on you.

 

*takes notes*

 

 

I hate you soooooo much

 

 

I think we're gonna disagree a few times this game - the problem I see is:

 

Zander 255 

Shad_ 134 Krakalakachkn 6 amegakure 5 Pralaya 3 The Crusher 2

 

Both are just as bad, imo.  Sorry.

 

If I'm not a consensus villager by now god help you all.

 

 

Youre not at manic Town!Shad levels.

 

Its when you hit that point...I start to think you may be a Villager.

[Darthe]

 

 

POE = Process of Elimination

D1, zero info but we're using POE?

 

This is clearly going to take some adjusting.

Ahh, but we don't have ZERO info.

 

We have the info that is in our role PMs.

 

For some games that means more than others. For some people in this game it may mean more than others. Alignment doesn't necessarily follow, mind you, but there is actually some interesting stuff in this D1.

I think that this conversation youre having with booboo makes him look townier, just by him not knowing what youre saying.

[Nolder]

This is mostly a gut feeling list, based on some interesting theories I'm not prepared to share at this time because I don't think it's in town's best interest, plus a decent helping of meta for my townies and process of elimination.  I may be able to explain some of these, I may totally be unable to either because I'm not willing to theorize on thread or because I did this off the top of my head.  Categories are roughly ordered as best I could do in 10 minutes of thought.  If and when these change in the future, I should be able to explain the changes, at least.

 

It's probably completely utterly worthless to most of you, but I expect at least one or two will find this post enlightening about where I'm coming from.

 

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Most probable town:

15. dice

21. Zander

19. Shad

14. Kaylee

 

Feeling pretty good about these in general:

7. Andrej

11. Tinker

1. Darthe

12. Not Bob

17. David Hermes

 

Not on my "willing to entertain a lynch" list:

20. Boo Boo

5. Lee

 

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Need more content to decide (or may need to ISO):

 

8. Ironeyes - hello, Marsh, please come and play....

 

13. Crusher

16. amegakure

18. Krakalaka

6. Pralaya

 

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The POE, in vague order of WTL:

 

3. Lenlo

10. Nolder

 4. Verb

9. John Snow

 

I'll try to keep current at work today and may run through some ISOs to determine my final decision - hoping for more to work from in the bottom half of the list.  As of right now I'm heavily leaning toward voting Snow.  We don't appear to be looking at the game the same way, and that makes me unsure we feel the same way about the demons.

Really? What did I do that knocked me from "need more content" to WTL?

[Darthe]

John Snow has a point - I did notice that as well.

Its an awtul point unles you think a new wolf is gonna call himself a wolf?

[Darthe]

 

This is mostly a gut feeling list, based on some interesting theories I'm not prepared to share at this time because I don't think it's in town's best interest, plus a decent helping of meta for my townies and process of elimination. I may be able to explain some of these, I may totally be unable to either because I'm not willing to theorize on thread or because I did this off the top of my head. Categories are roughly ordered as best I could do in 10 minutes of thought. If and when these change in the future, I should be able to explain the changes, at least.

 

It's probably completely utterly worthless to most of you, but I expect at least one or two will find this post enlightening about where I'm coming from.

 

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Most probable town:

15. dice

21. Zander

19. Shad

14. Kaylee

 

Feeling pretty good about these in general:

7. Andrej

11. Tinker

1. Darthe

12. Not Bob

17. David Hermes

 

Not on my "willing to entertain a lynch" list:

20. Boo Boo

5. Lee

 

=====

 

Need more content to decide (or may need to ISO):

 

8. Ironeyes - hello, Marsh, please come and play....

 

13. Crusher

16. amegakure

18. Krakalaka

6. Pralaya

 

====

 

The POE, in vague order of WTL:

 

3. Lenlo

10. Nolder

4. Verb

9. John Snow

 

I'll try to keep current at work today and may run through some ISOs to determine my final decision - hoping for more to work from in the bottom half of the list. As of right now I'm heavily leaning toward voting Snow. We don't appear to be looking at the game the same way, and that makes me unsure we feel the same way about the demons.

Really? What did I do that knocked me from "need more content" to WTL?

Do you want a list of questionable life decisions or would you prefer to keep it to this thread?

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

You make that sound like the only correct way is your way, which is not true. JiF has been playing his way on JN for years, and he's done well.

 

I think the biggest difference is the amount of subtlety used. JiF and I both come from a mafia time/place that prefers more subtlety than the way mafia is played now on a lot of sites (POG, MU, etc).

 

Two routes to the same destination, imo.

I signed up for a second game at JN because I liked it, not because I want to change it.

 

But I'm going to be a bit defensive when for two straight games strangers show up to tell us how much our playstyle sucks. I took deserved heat for doing the same in my first JN game.

FWIW - I'm not saying your play style "sucks" here. Just seems highly inefficient. I think 60 pages and not a single train probably supports that thought...but all good, I'll leave it alone. I wasnt trying to be all preachy. Just trying to figure out why the tendency is town hunt rather than scum hunt and why you guys thinks it effective.

I'm not entirely sure a DPR game is a good example of why the "new DM" playstyle has become the norm here, just sayin'. There are mechanics to be considered with this game that makes a 60 page D1 with no serious trains not entirely useless, all told.

 

It's a different approach than when I started playing, to be sure... it seems to work well for me with my personality type, I'm a much more intuitive player and in order to spend a lot less time analyzing post by post early on (some of the older players may remember my Giant Spreadsheet of Doom) I have forced myself to sort the field by gut feelings and then get into more detail the people I'm less likely to think are town. Once the field narrows, I spend a lot more time in ISO for everyone, even the ones I felt good about D1.

Cool. I have no problem with lists and using what works best for you. Maybe it was just semantics but I personally dont see how you could have a POE at this point..even with the obvious mechanic differences from a standard set up. All good. You do you.